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userbase may naturally overflow from one to the other, but I see the two sites as representing two sides of online communication. One is all about building lingering connections managed by the site, the other is about ephemeral connections (managed by memes?).
TL;DR so translate:
MS had OS mono, but that was cool as long as they don't push it moar.
MS made OS+IE Mono to the booya in th sea. Sharks called em on it with teeth.
MSPimp did bad, has to split yo beetches turf. But that wen't da gutter as The Man pokes out of turn. go fuck it all. 15 moar punks line up but we flow'd the bink to 'dem and gone. Crips & Bloods stood with weasels -- so to dem receive a roadside stripper club to bite.\Shit git broked and Dubya, hard marched in on mad blow and said FU and FU and FU, ur coool, and FU. MS ben into this and Tax break for mie boya and go booha to the Cali posse right?
Vista is cookin... and look at that till W'7 and we'll stat again.
They are a very good service, don't get me wrong... But don't mis-represent others hard work. Secunia usually just collects and [re-]publishes other peoples work.
tuytumadre's post to FD was the first that hit mainstream AFAIK.
Dude, The whole freaking Christian religion is horribly messed up... Most people "feel" this but are afraid to admit it. From the moment I left it (as a confused teen, 18+ years ago) my life has steadily improved. I like to think I was born-again into Reason.
I've read most of the interchanges you've had with bflong in this topic today. I agree with your views but I must say the guy quote's the "right stuff" (for him) and is clearly convinced that the fantasies he's been taught are true.
I've argued for years with "them" and I've found it's fruitless to talk to the delusional, they cling to their holy pacifier too tightly. If they *DO* ever fell like they've lost the discussion, they just pull the holy rip-cord: "I'll pray for you" and gently float away looking for the next mark.
I'm not trying to get too personal -- but you don't sound too concerned & that concern's me psychology.:) Lately I've been getting the feeling that I take care of my home subnet, on my free time, better than most admins do on the clock.
I keep up on the latest exploits, re-visit old ones, keep critical (and new) machines well patched, write shellcode to understand BoF/Ret2Libc exploits & employ handfuls of hardening techniques & limits everywhere I can, especially in the Kernel. Then I keep images of my fav installs & nc+dd them onto new boxes when needed... _Then_ I go to work and do the same on many more computers in addition the job I was actaully hired for. I still maintain a social life and even -- gasp -- a lady friend.
So I do realize there are large factors that go into haveing enough time and infrastructure to admin 1000 vs 100 vs. 10 boxes. But is "easy" just considered routine due to time constraints, even at a fine establishment like CMU?
If your box was on the net for 24hrs, and it got cracked into, somethings gone wrong in your department.
I don't consider it much of a "hack" if the admin sets up a deficient system (i.e. easily guessable usernames/password) and puts it live on the Internet without montoring it for brute-forcing; which you allude to. One cannot rely on a 3rd party to inform them that machines in their domain are hacked. It only takes a few key punches to duplicate very good securiy efforts after you've done them once.
I'd be interested in knowing what the exploit vector was (if you did the above) if you guys are able do I.R. after a breach. Or even bother to image the drive for later...
I dunno, but I see a pattern here with locations that put busy, course-loaded students in the employ of guarding the subnets...
He rocked as HST. Even seemed to carry some of that character into "Pirates..."
I can't imagine anyone else pulling off Gonzo like he did. 'prolly cause he drank and exploded shit with Hunter to get into character. :)
Yeah I agree with you to an extent. I think a number of people with the pseudo-negative reviews may just be running through th game far too quickly.
I've been playing it (still am) slowly and it's much more enjoyable than going on a 20 hour marathon gaming session, moving through the levels as fast as you can, just to beat it.
OTOH. There *are* some repetitive elements to D3 that kinda exceed the "nods to the old ways" (i.e. too many wall recess' that contain nothing but a hiding monster) that I could've done without.
but the great ideas and implementations are starting to come through thick and fast now.
No there not. These are the same kind of half-thought thru idea's that wasted everyones time in the '90's. Utimatly no one will use it for it's developed purpose and it will fade.
How is America overpopulated, my anonymous friend?
I wasn't the AC, and perhap the US is not OVER populated, or even the world. But we *are* growing at an alarming rate, whether that be by birth or death rate is no matter if there are more mouths to feed and more toilets to flush.
Aside from the readline commands (ctrl+y pasting back what you just delete with other commands) one usually runs screen(1) to enable multiple session cut-n-paste.
While the Honorable A. Russell Jones likes to say that seeing the source is bad for security, other submitters on the same site seem to like quotes saying something a little different...
Check out Gartner security analyst John Pescatore's quote in response to windows source being leaked, saying:
"The Linux source has been open and out there from day one but we don't say[sic] zero day attacks against Linux."
...but software doesn't seem to be at the stage of ease of use for what I see daily. If things could be reduced to a small series of repeatable steps, like when driving a car, or using a microwave, that would be ideal. But it just seems like the simpler you make a program to use, the harder it is to make it do diverse things when you need it to, then the user gets intimidated very quickly and calls for the IT staff.
In '89, as a lowly IBM CSR, I clearly remember watching older secretaries breeze through custom, complex insurance applications on old 3270 terminals with confidence because they attended training. I just do not see that same confidence of use with the same type of employees with Word or Excel.
I admit, it's true that I fall prey to the "stupid user, bla bla" from time to time, it is hard not to in my environment sometime. I am presently the admin at an Architectural firm that uses a variety of fairly complex CAD, modeling, spec writing & the standard office software. It's painful watching a 55 year old, very skilled & educated Architect not be able to navigate a series of fairly simple drawings in AutoCAD. A two hour training session would greatly decrease his stress of having to call in the long-hair three times a week to do it for him.
I guess it just seems like everyone wants programs to be fast, cheap, feature-rich, intuitive AND uber powerful all at the same time.
BTW Thanks for the links, they look very interesting I will check them out and perhaps become less grizzled.:)
I wasn't restricting my opinon to just gnu/linux. The same thing stands for windows. I constantly see the same misktakes made over and over again adding up to lost productivity because a firm is "too busy making money" to stop and train people.
Many times they expect the underpaid IT staff to fill in when the Marketing staff forgets how to use PowerPoint 20 min before an important meeting.
I just believe the ROI would be there if they applied training correctly no matter what OS it is.
When companies get off of their butts and realize that they must invest in good IT admins and actually expect to have to train their employees to use computers correctly. To many firms that I've worked for somehow expect the software to magically solve all the problems and that somehow all the employees are (by this same magic) supposed to be proficient.
Computers and software are Tools fer gods sakes, not magic wands, and it takes a measure of skill to operate and maintain them.
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facebook 4chan userbase may naturally overflow from one to the other, but I see the two sites as representing two sides of online communication. One is all about building lingering connections managed by the site, the other is about ephemeral connections (managed by memes?).
TL;DR so translate: MS had OS mono, but that was cool as long as they don't push it moar. MS made OS+IE Mono to the booya in th sea. Sharks called em on it with teeth. MSPimp did bad, has to split yo beetches turf. But that wen't da gutter as The Man pokes out of turn. go fuck it all. 15 moar punks line up but we flow'd the bink to 'dem and gone. Crips & Bloods stood with weasels -- so to dem receive a roadside stripper club to bite.\Shit git broked and Dubya, hard marched in on mad blow and said FU and FU and FU, ur coool, and FU. MS ben into this and Tax break for mie boya and go booha to the Cali posse right? Vista is cookin... and look at that till W'7 and we'll stat again.
BAH! What's 'leet about this "desktop" thing of which you speak? >;]
They are a very good service, don't get me wrong... But don't mis-represent others hard work. Secunia usually just collects and [re-]publishes other peoples work.
tuytumadre's post to FD was the first that hit mainstream AFAIK.
Right, as opposed to Myths, i.e. Jehova.
I've read most of the interchanges you've had with bflong in this topic today. I agree with your views but I must say the guy quote's the "right stuff" (for him) and is clearly convinced that the fantasies he's been taught are true.
I've argued for years with "them" and I've found it's fruitless to talk to the delusional, they cling to their holy pacifier too tightly. If they *DO* ever fell like they've lost the discussion, they just pull the holy rip-cord:
"I'll pray for you"
and gently float away looking for the next mark.
Wow, nice to see another Zelazny reader on
One of my personal Fav's from all ten - NPiA.
That man, was a Writer.
I'm not trying to get too personal -- but you don't sound too concerned & that concern's me psychology. :)
Lately I've been getting the feeling that I take care of my home subnet, on my free time, better than most admins do on the clock.
I keep up on the latest exploits, re-visit old ones, keep critical (and new) machines well patched, write shellcode to understand BoF/Ret2Libc exploits & employ handfuls of hardening techniques & limits everywhere I can, especially in the Kernel. Then I keep images of my fav installs & nc+dd them onto new boxes when needed... _Then_ I go to work and do the same on many more computers in addition the job I was actaully hired for. I still maintain a social life and even -- gasp -- a lady friend.
So I do realize there are large factors that go into haveing enough time and infrastructure to admin 1000 vs 100 vs. 10 boxes. But is "easy" just considered routine due to time constraints, even at a fine establishment like CMU?
If your box was on the net for 24hrs, and it got cracked into, somethings gone wrong in your department.
I don't consider it much of a "hack" if the admin sets up a deficient system (i.e. easily guessable usernames/password) and puts it live on the Internet without montoring it for brute-forcing; which you allude to. One cannot rely on a 3rd party to inform them that machines in their domain are hacked. It only takes a few key punches to duplicate very good securiy efforts after you've done them once.
I'd be interested in knowing what the exploit vector was (if you did the above) if you guys are able do I.R. after a breach. Or even bother to image the drive for later...
I dunno, but I see a pattern here with locations that put busy, course-loaded students in the employ of guarding the subnets...
Indeed, This has been my cursory interpretation as well. Not that the most of the knee-jerk reactions around here will take note of it.
He rocked as HST. Even seemed to carry some of that character into "Pirates..."
:)
I can't imagine anyone else pulling off Gonzo like he did. 'prolly cause he drank and exploded shit with Hunter to get into character.
But not so much around my parts.
Oddly enough, the "Japanese" sushi bar across the street is the only place in town that serves it -- go figure.
Yeah I agree with you to an extent. I think a number of people with the pseudo-negative reviews may just be running through th game far too quickly. I've been playing it (still am) slowly and it's much more enjoyable than going on a 20 hour marathon gaming session, moving through the levels as fast as you can, just to beat it.
OTOH. There *are* some repetitive elements to D3 that kinda exceed the "nods to the old ways" (i.e. too many wall recess' that contain nothing but a hiding monster) that I could've done without.
I wasn't the AC, and perhap the US is not OVER populated, or even the world. But we *are* growing at an alarming rate, whether that be by birth or death rate is no matter if there are more mouths to feed and more toilets to flush.
Yada yada. Without opportunistic clients the lawyers are never hired.
... and the list goes on...
Without opportunistic suppliers of over-expensive medical equipment medical costs could go down too.
How the heck does an 's' get in there instead of and 'l'? handed-dyslexia?
Beautiful product, Great work.
But... The security page needs to be obviously linked too from the Mozilla site.
It's not even listed on the site map, man...
If you liked gnut you might try mutella.
It supports a nice CLI and HTTP interface. But at 11 months since an update it may be dead too.
Go try slrn. Works just sparky fine fer me.
Aside from the readline commands (ctrl+y pasting back what you just delete with other commands) one usually runs screen(1) to enable multiple session cut-n-paste.
Check out Gartner security analyst John Pescatore's quote in response to windows source being leaked, saying:
Experts: Don't Panic over Windows Leak
So now I completely understand. It is bad or good depending mainly on spin and context. Thank god THESE guys are watching the watchers for us.
As stegdetect (last time I checked) easily fails on files created with steghide
...but software doesn't seem to be at the stage of ease of use for what I see daily. If things could be reduced to a small series of repeatable steps, like when driving a car, or using a microwave, that would be ideal. But it just seems like the simpler you make a program to use, the harder it is to make it do diverse things when you need it to, then the user gets intimidated very quickly and calls for the IT staff.
:)
In '89, as a lowly IBM CSR, I clearly remember watching older secretaries breeze through custom, complex insurance applications on old 3270 terminals with confidence because they attended training. I just do not see that same confidence of use with the same type of employees with Word or Excel.
I admit, it's true that I fall prey to the "stupid user, bla bla" from time to time, it is hard not to in my environment sometime. I am presently the admin at an Architectural firm that uses a variety of fairly complex CAD, modeling, spec writing & the standard office software. It's painful watching a 55 year old, very skilled & educated Architect not be able to navigate a series of fairly simple drawings in AutoCAD. A two hour training session would greatly decrease his stress of having to call in the long-hair three times a week to do it for him.
I guess it just seems like everyone wants programs to be fast, cheap, feature-rich, intuitive AND uber powerful all at the same time.
BTW Thanks for the links, they look very interesting I will check them out and perhaps become less grizzled.
I wasn't restricting my opinon to just gnu/linux. The same thing stands for windows. I constantly see the same misktakes made over and over again adding up to lost productivity because a firm is "too busy making money" to stop and train people.
Many times they expect the underpaid IT staff to fill in when the Marketing staff forgets how to use PowerPoint 20 min before an important meeting. I just believe the ROI would be there if they applied training correctly no matter what OS it is.
When will this stuff finally be ironed out?
When companies get off of their butts and realize that they must invest in good IT admins and actually expect to have to train their employees to use computers correctly. To many firms that I've worked for somehow expect the software to magically solve all the problems and that somehow all the employees are (by this same magic) supposed to be proficient.
Computers and software are Tools fer gods sakes, not magic wands, and it takes a measure of skill to operate and maintain them.