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War of the Worlds, Chocolate Factory Trailers
rocketjam writes "The trailer for Tim Burton's version of 'Charlie and the Chocolate Factory' is online at Yahoo. The movie stars Johnny Depp and scheduled for release in July of '05. I think Tim Burton is the perfect director for a new Willie Wonka movie. The trailer looks very Burtonesque." And reader daquake writes "Our first peek at Steven Spielberg's contemporary version of War of the Worlds is available from Apple. Spielberg's installment is just one of many that have been developed throughout the years including a film produced last year n England."
That has to be the number 1 druggy movie ever.
Wow, that's one scary Willy Wonka. I can almost see him saying:
"Hello, Charlie.."
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Don't mention the war... I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it...
The original was nothing like the book, it was dark and gloomy.
i think burton w/ depp will combine to make an kick ass flick the way the book intended it to be. i hope burton redoes alice in wonderland, THAT would be a trippy movie
I just hope the movie lives up to the original. I always felt the point of the original was that honesty was something that is rewarded. I hope the message isn't lost.
Also, the new Batman tralier is out too! Sweet!
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It would be amusing if the War of the Worlds TV trailer (which is refusing to play on my machine), was engineered to look like a news broadcast, and managed to cause panic like the radio series.
Johnny Depp looks crazier and crazier in every movie. I thought he must have peaked in 'Secret Window', but this definitely takes the craziness up a notch.
I can accept War of the Worlds as nerd-pertinent, but not Charlie and The Chocolate Factory.
Tell me what I want to know!
*Yawn*
Evil, vaguely Arabic aliens invade. Only the square jawed hero (played by the guy from that movie that was vaguely popular last year), the love interest (with that woman from the movie your girlfriend watched) and the wisecracking black sidekick (fuck knows, they all look the same to me) can defeat them. 2 hours of bland Hollywood shite. This is the sight of a culture so bereft of originality that plagiarism is hailed as a creative force.
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For the original Willy Wonka movie, there were lots of midgets imported into the Hollywood area to play the Oompa Loompa characters. Once filming was complete, there was nothing for all of those midgets to do. As one would expect, they turned to a life of petty crime. The Hollywood police department is worried about the same thing happening again.
This reminds me of the time NPR interviewed the "In a World" guy. You know, the same guy that seems to narrate every single movie preview, many times starting with "In A World Where ...". I'd like to listen to it, but my employer blocks streams from NPR. Some of you may be more fortunate.
All they seem to do now is remake movies that don't need to be remade. The original Willy Wonka was a perfectly excellent film and I see no need to ruin it with a remake. Same with War of the Worlds.
Whatever happened to original scripts?
To be fair, Burton didn't direct The Nightmare Before Christmas.
Also, I like how you left out Planet of the Apes.
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And it was pure, unmitigated crap. What's wrong with steampunk Victorians fighting off a Martian invasion? It's not like Hollywood has any regard for science anyway.
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Its nice to see that there is no creativity left in the movie industry. Why not come up with something new instead of redoing movies that there perfectly good to begin with.
that means:
Willy wonka....
War of the worlds...
Oceans 11..
Manchurian candidate.
Star Wars special editions.
While we are at it might as well remake casablanca.
And teen wolf.
Are the aliens going to be led by Xenu?
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Edit:
That was supposed to be:
"Hello, Charlie.." [/hannibal] -- with html brackets.
What's that silly preview button for, anyhow?
IMHO, this is a movie that will make full use of Burton's talents. Willy Wonka is a deeply eccentric character, and Burton is known for his well... "Burtonesque" way of doing things. Burton will really bring out the weirdness of Wonka. Although the book and even the previous movie (where Gene Wilder did a GREAT job) have alluded to it, I think Burton will really bring out how weird and eccentric and mysterious Wonka really is.
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While I think Burton will do a decent job with Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, I really don't think it stands a chance of beating the 1971 version with Gene Wilder. There's a certain magic to it that I don't think can be replicated so easily into a polished Hollywood flick, no matter who's directing.
War of the Worlds, so far, looks like one worth checking out.
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I mean how hard is it to use a conjunction, and give us the gramatically correct headline "War of the Worlds, and Chocolate Factory Trailers".
See how much clearer it is. Took me a while to work out what "war of the worlds, chocolate" was, and why its factory shoudl have a trailer.
And it's not like you have the excuse of typesetting restrcitions. You have the whole wiidth of the page.
The idea of having Tim Burton direct this remake seems like a masterstroke, but after seeing the preview, Depp seems so wrong for the part. I'm sure he'll bring his flare, and he's an amazing actor--but there's something about the way he was holding himself that seemed distinctly non-wonka. I for one *liked* the fact that the original movie was so much darker than the book, so I hope that this one stays dark in vibrant Burton-esque way.
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I don't see anything original in the Willy Wonka trailer. I'm sure it will make a boatload of money when the DVD is released.
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No matter how flipped-ouyt this version looks, can you imagine one with Manson in it? That would have rocked. :)
He said Burtonesque.
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Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
My hope is that Burton doesn't overdo it and miss the complexity the other way by doing that "HEY, LOOK EVERYBODY, I'M MAKING A DARK FILM" thing he sometimes does.
It's the combination of wholesome, non-ironic, typical childhood themes and imagery with a lurking psychological darkness that make Dahl such a treat.
A treatment like "Mathilda" got, where you lose some of the remarkable sweetness in order to make it more like "Home Alone," or in this case, "The Nightmare Before Christmas," would be a disappointment.
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Does anyone remember Planet of the Apes? The original is a classic, and Burton's remake was one of the most memorable stinkers in recent movie history. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is a classic film, even if it doesn't hew very closely to the book, and I fear that a Burton remake will be Planet of the Apes all over again. Please, Tim Burton, leave my childhood alone.
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I can't help but wonder if anyone will ever use the second book (Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator), and make a sequel. Yes, it wasn't as good as the first, but that's prose for you.
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No one can knock Tim Burton's eerie sense of genius. His movies are visually stunning and have always captured nuances and emotion that are desperately missing from other director's work.
What I particularly love about this remake is that 1) Depp replaces Wilder, whom I always loathed as Willy Wonka because he seemed more comical than deranged and 2) Burton always gets his actors to breath life into their characters, which results in the actors becoming the character, as opposed to what happens so frequently in movies which is that the character "wears" the actor and it never seems quite right.
That grin of Depp's; that right there is reason enough to want to be there opening night!
After "The Terminal" (sarcasm), I am anxious to see Spielberg doing something with action and suspense again. BTW I was not able to view the trailer in Full Screen Mode with the current IE or Mozilla. with IE, the native pop-up blocker kept on asking to install the Apple ITunes Listener or something like that...and I thought Apple was beyond this. On Mozilla 1.7.x I get "itms is not a registered protocol". I did get to see it in large screen mode.
I was literally captivated by the book when I was a kid. And kudos to the folks that did the poster - a tribute to various incarnations of the cover.
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I think he's a talentless hack who only became famous because of his good looks - just like Leonardo DiCaprio. And it's a damn shame Tim Burton is in love with him, because Tim Burton is a GREAT director.
It's no surprise that those Tim Burton movies that don't have Johnny Depp in them are the best - 'Big Fish' for example, was one of the greatest movies of last year, if not of all time.
Fuck Johnny 'Butt Pirate' Depp, I hope he dies and goes to hell!
Does anyone else look at Depp and think, "Oh God, that's Michael Jackson!"
Brings an extra level of creepiness, donchathink?
Actually I am a lab rat in an elaborate plot to take over the world.
They are the perfect height for being pick-pockets.
War of the World's Chocolate Factories
Just had visions of Swiss confectioners invading Pennsylvania.
So, I think it would be well advised for those of you looking to this movie in the hopes (or the fears) that it will be an updated Willy Wonka to attempt to forget about Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory and instead view this movie as the screen adaptation of the book 'Charlie and the Chocolate Factory'.
In fact, if I remember correctly, Roald Dahl was not happy with 'Willy Wonka', which I can understand since the book is incredibly darker than the movie.
Hopefully, with Burton directing, we can get a more faithful interpretation of the book that stays true to the dark material.
From the trailer:
"No one would have believed in the early years of the twenty-first century that our world was being watched be intelligences greater than our own, that as men busied themselves about their various concerns, they observed and studied. With infinite complacency, men went to and fro about the globe, confident of their empire over this world. Yet, across the gulf of space, intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic regarded our planet with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drew their plans against us."
And from the book:
No one would have believed in the last years of the nineteenth century that this world was being watched keenly and closely by intelligences greater than man's and yet as mortal as his own; that as men busied themselves about their various concerns they were scrutinised and studied [...]. With infinite complacency men went to and fro over this globe about their little affairs, serene in their assurance of their empire over matter. [...] Yet across the gulf of space, minds that are to our minds as ours are to those of the beasts that perish, intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic, regarded this earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drew their plans against us.
I think that's pretty cool.
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Oh yes! He bring an stop motion animation director to do the actual and tedius frame-by-frame filming, but this is his child, that's why my spetial edition DVD says "Tim Burton's Nightmare Before Christmas" on the title.
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The alien hand on the War of the Worlds poster has its middle finger on top of Texas.
Not that it necessarily means anything...
Would have been a cool choice. Did anyone see "The Life and Death of Peter Sellers"? He did an amazing job. He could bring that amazing creepy/whimsical kind of attitude to Wonka.
The original movie is the only movie credit listed for The Quaker Oats Company. It's surprisingly tripadelic for a product tie-in movie, though perhaps that's because Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers hadn't redefined the concept of TV/Movies as long-format commercial.
Can the new version top the original, and capture more of the book's dark side? I suspect so... the picture on the Yahoo! site looks more like A Clockwork Orange than Benji, and the trailer looks deliciously dangerous.
Stressed? Me? Of course not. Stress is what a rubber band feels before it breaks, silly.
What's wrong with steampunk Victorians fighting off a Martian invasion?
You'll get them. There are two War of the Worlds movies coming out. The other one from Pendragon Pictures will be set in the original book's setting.
I know what I'll be doing this weekend: retooling and reorganizing my War of the Worlds website. Interesting that this Spielburg version is depicting the alien hand holding the Earth in a manner very reminiscent of the 1988-1989 season of the TV series.
I just wish I had a complete working copy of the old waroftheworlds.com Radio Classics website, especially their story, "The Last Chat Room". Lost my copy to hard drive corruption. Random two-byte errors in the image files. Anyone who can help, drop me a line at my site, either having an archived version or can repair damaged GIF and/or JPEG files. (The Way-Back Machine sadly doesn't have a copy.)
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how was this troll!!!!!!! i was saying how good it is!! you are fools
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When you were young, and then when you were older, it's got some seriously dark undertones, which is one of the things that Tim Burton has always done well. I expect you'll be supprised by the remake.
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Wouldn't Gene have made an excellent Doctor?
I've long felt that Willy Wonka was a renegade Timelord.
Look at the facts:
Goes to places nobody else has been, or even heard of.
Has access to technologies beyond everybody else's.
And you cannot tell me the WonkaVator wasn't just a modified Type 40 TT capsule.
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of the true ending, which will cost $20,000 to see on the director's cut dvd.
Direct link to the fullscreen CatCF trailer
Why is anything anything?
Are you kidding? We're at freaking war in Iraq, soldiers are taking the SoD to task for the shit they have to ride into battle in, and most people are completely oblivious to the knucklehead who got us into this fine mess.
Three years ago we witnessed something astounding, two jets colliding with the WTC towers and one with the Pentagon and, victims families aside, most americans are right back on track to worrying about which color iPod to get and whether they'll have enough beer in the cooler for the bowl games.
I'm not saying we're stupid or anything, but we're remarkably resilient in bouncing back into our own little bubbles after a catastrophe, so long as it didn't directly touch us. Aliens could be all over the place and we'd just want to get through it so we can rebuild our civilisation and see how Survivor Vanuatu comes out.
Meanwhile, in news that will ruin my life for the next 3 days or so:
Pixar has pushed back their last feature, while paired with a certain evil empire, Cars until May 2006 (insert riot here) which had been due Nov 2005. This is so they can sell more DVDs for your holiday shopping pleasure later in 2006 (the fucked up logic escapes me, but Dreamworks is doing the same shit with Shrek 3, moving it back to May 2007)
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What a useless preview. No alien walking machines destroying whole cities. No panic in the streets. No water towers with shotgun holes! So why should I see this and not just rent the 1950's version? Should I get it just because the same guy made E.T.? Give us some reason to spend $7++ for this.
Second of all, the comma is commonly used in journalism in place of "and." For example, "Man Shoots Wife, Self."
I normally don't discuss grammar and punctuation in threads, but every once in a while, the /. editors get something right.
It's just headlining tradition.
Go gripe at every newspaper in the world - don't they have the whole width of the page, too?
I'd feel sad for the newspaper that only had half a page or so to work with.
A planet where apes evolved from men? Long live the apes.
Sorry, but Burton has been boning it for the past few films: "Big Fish" and the embarassingly bad remake of "Planet of the Apes."
Like "Planet...", Wonka does not need a rewrite. It was made at a time that appreciated edgy, gritty films, not watered down pablum that is market tested and approved. The original planet was gruesome and horrifying, Burton's remake was a forgettable joke that focused on action and _completely_ missed what made the original horrifying.
I doubt Burton has the guts to make the character of Willy Wonka out to be the sadist he is in the originals. That type of abuse wouldn't fly today, just like the Disneyfication (perversion) all of the Grimm fairytales to have happy endings and be sugary sweet, unlike the originals.
Originality is so fucking dead, and Burton is humping its corpse dry.
Sad days.
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but you're certainly one of the more sexually conflicted and vitriolic ones..
He's made more than a few good movies, Blow, Dead man, etc etc..
He's by no means a talentless hack.
He tried to kill me with a forklift!
Tim, is that you?
I'm not sold on either. Does anyone else find it odd that Spielberg, who made a large part of his career on the extraterrestrial contact film Close Encounters of the Third Kind, is now making xenophobic "The aliens will kill us all" films?
Re: the Burton Chocolate Factory movie: Did I really just see an oompa loompa rock band breaking a guitar over an amplifier? Because I better not have fucking seen that, but I'm pretty sure I did.
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Actually, using a comma instead of the word "and" is standard practice for headlines. Granted, it makes some headlines ambiguous, but that's the way it's done (at least in the few newspapers I read regularly).
And it's not like you have the excuse of typesetting restrcitions. You have the whole wiidth of the page.
And your excuse for spelling is....?
Actually, they will probably modify the original story a little and have the aliens all come from the planet Zeist.
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Don't go watch the fucking movie.
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High-quality versions:
War of the Worlds - 18MBCharlie and the Chocolate Factory - 7.5MB
You forgot Edward Scissorhands
"Some things have to be believed to be seen." - Ralph Hodgson
in this one, the inflating-gumball eats Veruca Salt first!
And maybe they could do a sequal to Highlander.
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(not a direct quote, but it was something like that and went on and on and on....supposedly setting the stage for something really ominous to happen, but of course it turned out to be....PLAN 9 FROM OUTER SPACE!)
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I hated the old one. It was too cheesy. The songs were corny, and it was just god awful. I know it's the trend to run about yelling, "Yay, that movie was soooo coooool!", but no, it's not.
...and War of the Worlds by Spielberg? Oh ok, another ID4 then except a scientologist as the lead.
Johnny Depp plays good parts, so this should be good.
No thanks.
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of course! that is another great one :)
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And by the way, Johnny Depp is too damned SEXY to play Wonka! The paigeboy bob cut is too androgynous, in a good way.
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I dont know why this got modded troll, because frankly I agree with it largely.
;) But that hardly seems like cause for a "Troll" moderation.
Burton is a great director, and I think that his directing this movie will be a great thing. Granted, the parent poster is being a bit overzealous in her expression of it
I was thinking that he looks more like Alex in A Clockwork Orange
Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
War of the Worlds is an interesting example of the way derivative art works.
It's not that much of a story: aliens attack, humans flee/fight/cower, aliens die of a cold.
But it keeps getting remade. Why?
I think it's mostly because of the way Orson Welles planted the meme in our consciousness. At the time, it was plausible to people that Mars was inhabited and even hostile, and of course the presentation believed the central conceit perfectly. Meanwhile the particular pitfalls of asynchronous simplex communication (people turning the radio on after the disclaimer; people appending their own interpretations and extrapolations when explaining what others entering the room are discovering) did nothing to reduce its credibility.
So while the story isn't all that fascinating, the legend is, and derivative art capitalizes on the legend. Titanic is the single most expensive and profitable example, but I'd bet the budgets of the many remakes of War of the Worlds would be even more than what's been spent on the Titanic story.
Imagine how hard it is to learn how to use commas, correctly.
Dork.
There was a hilarious SNL sketch (with Al Gore) a while back where they made fun of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
..hemorrhaging money!! You have a chocolate river running through here! And I'm pretty sure earlier today a fat kid drowned in it. You tell me how that's helping our bottom line!
Here's the link to the transcript:
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/02/02hwonka.phtml/
Anyone have the video?
And a copy for those who don't want to follow the link: (Too few character per line with spaces, so I condensed it here.)
02h: Al Gore / Phish
Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory
Willy Wonka.....Jeff Richards
Charlie Bucket.....Amy Poehler
Glen.....Al Gore
Oompa Loompas.....Chris Kattan, Fred Armisen, Will Forte
Announcer: We now return to "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory", starring Gene Wilder and some midgets.
[dissolve to Willy Wonka walking an anatomically-correct Charlie Bucket through the factory]
Charlie Bucket: You mean it, Mr. Wonka? You really mean it?
Willy Wonka: I certainly do, Charlie. I'm giving my entire factory to you!
Charlie Bucket: Woooww!!
Willy Wonka: We just have one more stop to make before everything's yours.
Charlie Bucket: Really? Where are we going?
Willy Wonka: Actually.. the thing is.. [ singing comically off-key ] "There's no earthly way of knowing.. which direction we are going! There's no knowing where we are going! Or which way the wind is BLOW-OW-ING!!" Actually, we're just going to the ACcounting Department! [ laughs ] We have a lot of paperwork to get through. [ blows flute, causing office door to open ]
[ Willie Wonka and Charlie enter the office, where accountant Glen is checking orders over the phone ]
Glen: We put in an order for what?! 75,000 pounds of.. snozberries? What the hell is a snozberry?
Willy Wonka: Charlie? This is the factory accountant - my borther Glen. Glen Wonka!
Glen: [ on phone ] Listen, I'm gonna have to get back to you. [ hangs up ]
Willy Wonka: Glen? I have someone here I want you to meet. This.. is Charlie.
Glen: William, I told you not to bring tour groups through here.
Charlie Bucket: Say. Is anything here made out of candy?
Glen: No. Not really. But I think I have some Rolaids in my desk. Knock yourself out. Now.. if that's all, I really have to get back to work. William. We have to take care of this Oompa-Loompa situation. They need green cards, William! We're not making tennis shoes here.
Willy Wonka: Glen, Charlie isn't here for the tour. I'm giving him sole ownership of the factory!
Glen: [ outraged ] You're doing what?!
Willy Wonka: I'm giving the whole factory here to Charlie!
Glen: You gave our business to an eight-year old child?! For God's sakes, why?!
Willy Wonka: Because a child's dream.. is like a thousand candy rainbows.
Glen: Oh, yeah, that makes sense! I'll tell that to our stockholders when they storm down here and beat us bloody with our candy canes!
Willy Wonka: Glen! Please!
Glen: No, William! I've had it! I put up with a lot working here! Riding that insane, psychadelic boat to my office everyday! Having to step around piles and piles of Oompa-Loompa dung! But I am through with it!
Willy Wonka: What are you saying, Glen?
Glen: What I'm saying, William, is that, thanks to your wizwarbulous ideas, this factory is.. [ crumples reports ]
Willy Wonka: Glen, please, take it easy!
Glen: Wait! I almost forgot! There's that billion dollars you spent on that machine that turns giant candy bars into tiny chocolate bars. Help me wrap my brain around that one.. 'cause I'm missing the big profit opportunity!
Charlie Bucket: Actually, that is a good point.
Glen: You want to know how bad things are?! You want to know?! [ into intercom ] Get the report on Third Quarter Earnings!
[ Oompa-L
There are *two* movie trailers requiring a linky.
http://movies.apple.com/movies/paramount/warofthew orlds/waroftheworlds_m480.mov
Having just watched this I'm filled with some hope. I've only read the first part of WotW, but with the opening monologue and seeing the way the heat ray worked (invisible beam being the most notable feature), I'd say there may just be hope for this movie.
First of all, "War of the Worlds, and Chocolate Factory Trailers" doesn't make any sense
Then you're a moron.
it's not grammatically correct by any stretch of the imagination. Never use a comma in a list of two items.
It's all about clarity. "War of the worlds" and "chocolate Factory" are complex phrases. Leaving out the comma would suggest that the and belongs to War OF the Worlds.
Second of all, the comma is commonly used in journalism in place of "and." For example, "Man Shoots Wife, Self."
It's sloppy practice. There's no good reason for it. Many style guide explicitely forbid this becuase it makes sentences clumsy.
It's still copying the original even if it is better than it.
Wasn't Independance Day supposed to be an updated War of The Worlds? The similarities between it and the 1953 movie were kind of obvious. Right down to using the flying wing to drop an atomic bomb on the aliens.
It's good to use your head, but not as a battering ram.
of the alien's "blasters" -- just thinking about that sound makes me shudder; just the PERFECT sound effect for the purpose (kind of like the Klingons' disrupter-fire sound in the Star Trek series always sounded so much more sinister than the phaser sound...)
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As long as I can remember (And I think it goes back to the first newspapers), titles have shunned conjunctions and other "optional" words. It had, in he past, a lot to do with cost of ink and real estate on the front page. WORLD AT WAR reads just as good (and, in my opinion, better on a headline) than THE WORLD IS AT WAR and saves the ink for 5 letters and the page area for 7 characters.
It means nothing now, but now it's tradition.
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They held auditions for Willie Wonka at my school looking for the parts of charlie and verooka. And about 300 other schools so its not suprising I didn't get the part.
It's just headlining tradition.
You are aware that Argumentum ad antiquitatem is widely recognised as a logical fallacy aren't you?
Go gripe at every newspaper in the world - don't they have the whole width of the page, too?
If a newspaper I read does this, I will complain. As long as I can be bothered.
I'd feel sad for the newspaper that only had half a page or so to work with.
Most articles only have a single column to work with.
The originals can be found at your nearest video store.
Clockwork Orange 2: Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory Just look at the costume in that picture!
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Semi OT, but since I can't actually view the trailer without tracking-down the URL of the file I thought perhaps /. can help.
The video is available in either quicktime or windows media format. Neither of which is playable in-browser with Firefox/Linux by default. Does anyone know if there's a way to enable this?
Actually, using a comma instead of the word "and" is standard practice for headlines.
Yes. A bad practice.
And your excuse for spelling is....?
Laziness and the fact that I'm not trying to run a professional media outlet.
i hope they use the george pal space ship design. Theres something about them, that to this day i find really cool. It looks like they might be using the same alien design, based on the hand, but ... hey. thats just the hand.
Sounds like what we really need is a War of the Worlds Musical!
Is this the real life
,nothing really matters to me
Is this just fantasy
A.D. 2101, War was beginning
Open your eyes, look up to the skies and see
Martians, yeilding no sympathy
Because I'm easy come,easy go,
Fly Zig high, fly Zig low,
Anyway the Zig goes,doesn't really matter to me, to me
Mama, just watched TV,
Ignored what prophets said,
Now martians coming and we're dead,
Mama, life had just begun,
But now we've gone and thrown it all away
Mama ooo, didn't mean to make you cry
If I'm not back again this time tomorrow
Carry on,carry on,as if nothing really matters
Too late, we're on our way,
To destruction, Cats say,
Told to make our time today,
Goodbye everybody, I got to go
Gotta leave you all behind and move a Zig
Mama ooo- (any way the wind blow)
I don't know how to fly,
I sometimes wish I'd never been born at all
I see a little silhouetto of a man
Is the curate!, Is the curate, dragged by a tentacle
Laserbolt and heatrays very very frightening me
All your base, All your base
All your base, All your base
All your base are belong to us!
But I just a poor boy and nobody loves me
He just a poor boy from a poor planetoid
Spare him his life from this monstrosity
Easy come easy go, will you let me go
Take off every Zig! For great justice!
Take off every Zig! For great justice!
Take off every Zig! For great justice!
For great justice! For great justice!
Move, move, move move, move, move Zig!
Mama mia,mama mia,mama mia let me move
Someone set up us the bomb!
So you think you can stone me and spit in my eye
So you think you can love me and leave me to die
Oh baby, I know what I doing baby!
Just gotta get out-just gotta move Zig right outta here
Nothing really matters, anyone can see
Nothing really matters
Any way the Zig goes....
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
Ok so I wonder if this will be the case in the new movie as well. I never did like Granpa Joe for the following reason... HE WAS A TOTAL LEECH! Don't believe me? Think about this:
1) He's laid up in bed for 10 years, not able to work, living off of Charlie's Mom's generosity. She has to take in laundry and all sorts of odd jobs in order to support the hanger's on in the house.
2) Charlie spends his newspaper money to buy Grandpa Joe tobacco. So not only is Grandpa Joe leeching off of Charlie's mom to buy his food and put a roof over his head, not to mention wash his ass, but he's got a 10 year old buying him pipe tobacco. Which is sure to throw him in the hospital at some point, and who will pay the hospital bills? Maybe Charlie can get a 4th paper route.
3) So Charlie finds some money, and his mom, just trying to instill some values into her son asks him where he got it. What does G. Joe say??? "WHO CARES WHERE HE GOT IT, ITS HIS NOW!" (Yes I am paraphrasing.) Whats the lesson? It doesnt matter where you get something, if its in your greedy f'in palms, it's your's now.
4) Then Charlie gets a golden ticket. Hooray. Grandpa Joe smells a free trip coming, and what do you know. Not ONLY can he walk, but he can dance like a madman! So much for 10 years in bed, not even collecting disability insurance.
5) He breaks the rules, and drinks the gassy stuff. He and Charlie mess shtuff up, and don't feel badly in the least.
6) When he gets called on it, he's all pissed that he got caught, and totally turns it around on Willie Wonka. He says "Screw this rule follower Charlie, lets go sell that gobstopper that you PROMISED to keep to yourself. Willie's only fault here is that he gives in. I think its out of desperation, since all the other kids are gone and apparently he has cancer of the spleen or something.
So to sum up, Grandpa Joe Sucks. The movie is good though.
Honestly what movie with midgets doesn't rock???
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Hmm, you know when I read this article, I can't help but think of Tim Burton's remake of War of the Worlds, Mars Attacks. I loved that movie...
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Baker as Dr. Who: http://www.solicitor.de/gamebox/gw/technik/drwho.j pg
or http://www.shillpages.com/dw/bakerc0.jpg
Wilder as Wonka: http://www.cineplexx.at/pics/Gene_Wilder_P42.jpg
Pretty convincing...
--Brandon / Split Infinity Music
"Charlie wants it in the Chocolate Factory"?
I'm getting sick and tired of all this big name directors putting their names on novels that they didn't right. Sure, you directed it, but the novel is by H.G. Wells. Stanley Kubrick's worse. It's not 'a film by Stanley Kubrick', its called "Stanley Kubrick's The Shining". People immediately start associating the story with the director, completely bypassing the creative genius' who came up with the stories in the first place.
The original Willy Wonka was a perfectly excellent film and I see no need to ruin it with a remake. Same with War of the Worlds.
Whatever happened to original scripts?
Original scripts?
Both "original" movies were adaptations from books!
And as for the "perfectly excellent" war of the worlds: No. I want to see tripod walkers dammit! Not some generic flying *yawn* saucers. Tripods!
You can't take the sky from me...
Here are the direct links to the trailers. For those of us using mplayer, or want to save a copy.
Charlie & Chocolate Factory (Fullscreen QT)
War of the Worlds (Fullscreen QT) - I can't get through to their site, after clicking 'Fullscreen' it just sits there, Contacting phobes.apple.com. ah well. too lazy to wait.
sig? uhh, umm, ok
Blazed? I was thinking...um.... festive. Will Wonka is supposed to be creepy not swishy.
You're just using the wrong verison of Unix.
Clear, Dark Skies
I'm tired of these remakes that keep using the original name. I want a proper movie from the book. One that takes place in the 19th century. They should have at least the decensy to change the title. I'm all for the lack of originality inherent in rehashing someone else's movie and only changing the time setting (and relate hardware), but they should at least acknoledge that the premise was violated and change the darn title.
But am I the only one who got a little Cat in the Hat vibe from the trailer?
You know, they'll feel the need to pep it up for today's hip, wired youngsters. You know, "I feel we should rastafy him by ... ten percent or so." Then throw in a bunch of pop-cultural references and jokes for the 'grown-ups' and presto! sucky movie.
Have you even considered what other formats these headlines end up in?
/. to be), they'd probably have a good laugh before tossing your letter in the mail or dropping your e-mail address in the spam filter.
I saw the story because my RSS reader popped the headline up for me. There are also a lot of news aggregator sites that have even less space than a single column to work with. Do the Slashdot editors still have a 'whole page' to work with? How big is a 'whole page' on the interweb?
Also, I think if you ever complained to a legitimate news source(which I don't consider
A planet where apes evolved from men? Long live the apes.
I, for one, welcome our new creepy-three-foot-tall-orange-skinned overlords. Depp looks like a creepy pedophile in the trailer.
I liked them both but the original had some gold lines that you could not get away with these days.
Peter Lawford makes a comment about revoking the 13th and 19th Amendment to make women slaves!
In another scene some women leaves her drunk friend with Dean Martin who he just met.
Not the greatest movie but an interesting look into a different time.
Anybody catch Mr. Depp (I'm assuming) at the third to last scene change with what appears to be a pair of hedge trimmers poking out of his right coat sleeve? Somebody has a sense of humor...
Why can't more movies trailers allow themselves to be downloaded? It would really help those of us that don't have (and cant have) quicktime installed on our internet computers.
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I don't like the look of it...
What's up with the movie industry these days? The second cut at a movie is usually not as good, and I cannot imagine that Depp will come close to Gene Wilder.
My eye flicked over your username and the sentence, and came up with "Revoke his/her movie watching pants immediately".
Too much cruft in my head, clearly.
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Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
Cruise...Spielberg...
dum-dum-dum
man that is going to be lame. thank god the brits are making their own version.
If you don't know what AltaVista is (was), get off my lawn.
You should probably contact cowboyneal to complain that your subject line is being cut off and violating your free expression and intention to use the word 'and' anywhere you can. I mean, you've got the whole page, right?
I don't see how something being on the internet suddenly frees it of all space and headlining constraints. Welcome to the future, I guess.
Man, I'm bored today.
A planet where apes evolved from men? Long live the apes.
Why remake old stuff? itll only ruin it. War of the worlds in new york? do me a favour...
try these:
Consider Phlebas (Iain M Banks)
Snowcrash (Stephenson)
That Greg Bear book wher the earth is destroyed... whats its name...
This was probably to do with getting the 'money men' to understand the film. Those orange phone adverts arent really funny adverts, they are documentaries. If you dont believe me, read the classic book "tales from development hell"
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the aliens being destroyed by a virus.
Clear, Dark Skies
But as a movie? Can adults really stomach all the moralizing? Wait, time for a song about watching too much television! And here's one about chewing bubble gum! If Depp's version is going to cut back on that, and get back into the darker sequences like the boat ride, then I'd be all for it.
By the way, I think the poster looks too Clockwork Orange for me.
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What's the big f-ing deal about Tim Burton? The guy has NEVER directed a good movie.
Let's look at his "art": Edward Scissorhands, Beetlejuice, Pee-Wee's Big Adventure, Planet of the Apes, Mars Attacks!, I could go on and on, but I'll stop before anyone gets sick.
Tim Burton has got to be the most overrated directors of all time.
If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
These movies are good enough. These directors have NO original inspiration including the 'overrated' Spielberg,who by the way lives off of others ideas. Lets remember that all the hype most directors get is by using script or books of great works like the 'Godfather'.
When I see Tom Cruises name on anything , I know it will suck now.
I don't like the remaking of old good movies.
Don't you dare remake "The day the earth stood still" and use BRAD PITT and Jolie(both annoying) . Renna was great in that. One of the best.
I personally would like to see Jack Kerouac's "On the Road" made into a move...or any books from his Dolouz Legend series...
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Does anyone else look at Depp and think, "Oh God, that's Michael Jackson!"
Brings an extra level of creepiness, donchathink?
Funny enough, a chick recently dragged me to see "Finding Neverland" where Depp plays the author of Peter Pan, and the Michael Jackson parralel is... obvious, very, very obvious.
Part creepy, part "maybe he didn't abuse those kids after all".
P.S. For a chick flick, it was pretty good.
You can't take the sky from me...
I'll bet dollars to donut holes that the Pendragon "War" never sees the light of day.
They've been hyping this project for nearly three years now, and given their track record, assuming they ever actually get around to finishing the thing, it'll be a of all): a cheesey, low-budget, grade Z effort with a plethora of cheap CGI effects and wretched acting that would make a Troma film look like a Palm d'Or winner; b of all): its distribution will consist solely of direct-to-disk sell-throughs over the internet or perhaps available at Blockbuster Video stores in east Asian countries; and c of all): instantly forgettable.
I thought this remake already came out several years ago. I think it was about The Fresh Prince flying airplanes, The Fly was a cable installer and Commander Data was a fat doctor dissecting aliens.
Maybe this time around it will be a Windows virus that infects the alien computers. That would be a more realistic storyline.
... of a trailer for a comedy, I think it was called Soccer Mummy or some such, but anyway, these type always punch into that I Feel Good song by James Brown when they shock you with the comedic twist.
AWSOME! Man i was JUST at the yahoo site and was watching some trailers (i don't have a TV so i don't get exposed to movies unless i expose myself -- but not in the sexual sense).
Anyways, i have a good connection here at work so watching trailers is not usually a prob. IN fact, i had watched like 5-6 trailers without any prob and then i tried to watch charlie and the chocolate factory and i get lagging out. WTF? Says I. so i go on to other trailers and it is working great. Back to CCF and no thang again. Crazy. So then i decide, well i guess i will go pop over to slashdot and see what is gonig on there and lo and behold, but what should to my wondering eyes appear, but movies.yahoo and charles and the confectioners place on the main page of slashdot! Awsome! Says I.
Anyways, i just thought i would share that, since i thought it was somewhat cool.
No thanks, I like my screen resolution the way it is.
The "large" link is sufficient.
Damn fake full screens, screwing up my carefully placed desktop icons...
You can't take the sky from me...
Yahoo! is telling me I need to install something to see the Chocolate Factory trailer, and won't give me a direct link. Does anyone have it?
Or a torrent, that would be even better.
Thanks!
Ok, so now we add WOTW to the list:
LOTR
FOTR
ROTK
ROTJ
WOTW
The movie acronym namespace is getting overcrowded! I predict that soon movies will start being made with FIVE words in the title, maybe by throwing an adjective or expletive into the mix. War of the Doggone Worlds.
You drank my drink, you drunk!
Man oh man, you are so full of shit. I'll leave it at that.
I am behind a proxy server that is blocking all of the entertainment sites. Can someone host the trailer for a not-so-well-known place?
If you mod me down, I shall become less powerful than you could possibly imagine.
Did you happen to notice how much Johnny Depp looks like Tom Petty from that creepy homage-to-Alice-in-Wonderland video, "Don't Come Around Here No More"?
It seems that we've moved from a point where remakes were somewhat common to now, where they are the norm. Like all of the sudden all the world's stories ran out. Of course the truth is more likely that it's safer to make a movie that's been made before. It seems like cheating to me, or maybe the desire to have a successful (not necessarily good) has take over the desire to tell good stories.
Personally I like to recycle trash, not culture.
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Ri-i-ight!
Check out The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Vol. 2.
Excellent stuff! No relation to the horrendous League movie.
Geez, it's a freaking remake.
Tim Burton is on a remake roll. It's not enough that he overwhelms the plot and story with is over the top visuals and cheezy, pretentious, and gratuitous weirdness.
Maybe in this Burton remake Willy'll get it on (subtextually, of course) with his oompa loompas on his new streaming WonkaVision(tm) internet pr0n site.
The great thing about the old movie was Wonka was totally bonkers, but in a restrained and vaguely aggressive way. With Tim Burton directing, he'll be obviously crazy, and all the children will be one dimensional cartoon characters. Plus any and every moral lesson will be applied with a mallet.
From the trailer, it looks like it's going to be "Beetlejuice in CandyLand."
I thought Spielberg said he would never do a movie that painted aliens in a bad light. Now unless I am mistaken, Aliens trying to take over the world doesn't seem too ET-ish? Did he change his mind? Am I wrong in thinking that he was anti-angry alien movies?
I ask for a car and I get a computer. How's about that for being born under a bad
Given they wanted to make a movie of the second book right after they put out the first movie and Roald Dahl flatly refused to let them because of how much he hated the movie, I'd say the prognosis might be doubtful. I suspect they're only able to make this one due to some clause when buying movies saying that they have an exclusive right to remakes.
This sig has absolutely no significance and serves only to take up screen space and waste the time of the reader.
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Food not Bombs is a nice platitude but it breaks down when you notice that the Bombees are usually well fed
There's an Oompa Loompa in the trailer, he's the lil' orange dude playing keyboards about 1/3 of the way in, right before the jungle-Wonka bit, when "clever and so smart" is heard in the song.
You can't take the sky from me...
I posted the same link to the same trailer right here a full 8 minutes before this guy...and he gets a +4 and I'm still languishing at 1. How does that work?
I read Usenet for the articles.
If by "rocked", you mean "sucked terribly."
"It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -David Hume
Do you mean Eon? If so, I would still love to see that book filmed, even if the Russian-US component would have to be changed (or maybe not?)
If only Greg Bear wrote consistently at quality...
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What the hell? Are the Oompa-Loompas coming to take their kinsmen home?
"Watch out for that Chocolate Ray!"
*ZAP*
I only see one. You didn't mean the windows media version, did you?
if you want to meet some *real* Willy Wonkas goto:
e ction=opensource_movies&collectionid=Radical_Choco late_unedited
Grenada Chocolate http://grenadachocolate.com/
also, they have an amateurish but sweet promo video at:
http://tinyurl.com/6jmgf/
actual url: http://www.archive.org/movies/details-db.php?coll
oh, and the chocolate is very dark and rich, mmm . . .
That Greg Bear book wher the earth is destroyed... whats its name...
Eon?
Oh, say does that Star-Spangled Banner entwine / The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine?
It's always disturbed me that Roald Dahl was a member of the fascist and racist British National Party. However, if you look closely at the themes in his books, they have subtle fascist subtexts.
The good thing is that most kids reading his books have no clue, so overall, not too much damage done.
Speaking as someone that lives just outside of Woking (where the book is set), and who has walked his dog in the actual sandpit where the martians landed, I'd love to see the film done well, with the music from the Jeff Wayne album as the theme music if at all possible. But, alas, no one in Hollywood has any interest in doing these things well, they just take a famous name and slap it onto any old shite of a script, hire some other famous names to work on it and thank God and congress that descendants of authors can't sue for defamation of the original work.
TWW
"Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
I'm not a programmer or anything, so I'm sure that all the developers get sick of hearing this sort of thing, but I'm really sick of these commercial video codecs. THEY ALL SUCK! Quicktime, Windows Media, Realvideo, and all the wannabe codecs are all TURDS.
Can we get a status update on some free alternatives? Xvids and Divx videos both work fine for me both on Linux and Windows, but all the others seem to require ibuprofen...
Considering war of the worlds is supposed to be based in england it would seem to make more sense using british talent and locations.. but spielberg seems to have decided to change the location and all that entails as well as the time period.. what a disaster.. wonder if thunderchild will be a stealth bomber?!
I hope at least he left the martians in it!
For anyone that does not know the story I recommend you head over to project gutenberg and download the free ebook.. its an entertaining yarn..
I am lining up to see this movie: http://www.delltechforce.com/
yeeeeeeeeaaaaahhh, i might be overzealous but this movie looks like it rox, that's all i was saying!!!!!!11one11one!
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I recall that early illustrations of this had it shaped like a flying cross. I took the "darkness" referenced there to be deployments of the black smoke.
I don't recall mention of the parts of the flying machine being mentioned, and I may have adapted the radio play mentioning the Martians learning to fly into it. This on-line copy may be of useful reference to work this out.
On the Martian's "provisions", I did say grey aliens, but it was admittedly a fanciful interpretation to be sure, and clearly not what the author had intended:
Oh, say does that Star-Spangled Banner entwine / The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine?
Have you even considered what other formats these headlines end up in?
/. to be), they'd probably have a good laugh before tossing your letter in the mail or dropping your e-mail address in the spam filter.
I saw the story because my RSS reader popped the headline up for me. There are also a lot of news aggregator sites that have even less space than a single column to work with. Do the Slashdot editors still have a 'whole page' to work with? How big is a 'whole page' on the interweb?
Do the Slashdot editors have a specific limit to title lengths? if they do, then the ommission is reasonable. Since Slashdot often has headlines longer than that (e.g. "Programmer Built Vote-Rigging Demo for Florida Politician", I find it hard to believe they do have such a limit.
Also, I think if you ever complained to a legitimate news source(which I don't consider
That is their right. I think they'd be stupid to ignore a complaint about having confusing headlines, but if they want to then they can. Likewise I can choose to stop reading their rag. I wouldn't over something so trivial, but it would marginally decrease my desire to read it.
Anyone have any mirrors on this? For some reason, the site was blocked by my ultra-conservative employer. Much appreaciated.
Warning: I am the silence machine.
I just checked your website, since I've always enjoyed War of the Worlds stuff, but I can't remember anything specific about any of the productions. So I checked your website, looking for some info about the old tv shows and movies (I can find info about the book easily enough). Anyway, if there is any useful information on your website, I sure couldn't find it...
I'm not trying to be rude, I just thought you might want some feedback on the website.
I remember that -- it was set in Charleston, maybe 1983 or so?
Aha, you can actually BUY this. Shocking.
In fact, here's a pretty lengthy list of nuclear disaster movies.
Bits of these movies are still stuck in my head. Testament, where they try to figure if they should still hold school, or where the wife hears the last message from her husband when she tries to get the batteries out of the answering machine. Threads, where the cop finds the staff of the emergency command centre weeks after they died. The Day After, where the homeless guy offered the the doctor an onion in the ruins of his house...
I'd never heard of Miracle Mile, may have to check it out.
I wonder if Russian kids had any nuclear disaster movies to scare the living crap out of them in the early 80s?
The 2002 remake of The Time Machine, cost $80m but brought in less than $60m, if I'm reading these figures correctly.
I totally agree, and parumph to all you nay-sayers in this thread!
It's one thing to remake a good concept and IMPROVE on it, but when something is SO damn original and well done in the first place, it just raises expectations too high and comparisons will be all that much more critical.
Can you imagine re-making The Wizard of Oz for example!!
In Spielberg's remake of War of the Worlds, all bodies will be replaced by flowers and guns will be replaced by walkie-talkies.
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Does this have anything to do with the sneakers Nike is going to produce next year?
Sounds like a good choice. Obviously his performance improved A LOT from "Sleepy Hollow" as Ichabod Crane (1999), to "Pirates of the Caribbean" as Jack Sparrow (2003).
My 2 cents.
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There was me, that is Charlie, and my four droogs, that is Veruca, Augustus, Mike and Violet and we sat in the Wonka Chocolate Bar trying to make up our rassoodocks what to do with the evening. The Wonka Chocolate Bar sold Butterscotch, Butterrum or Buttergin which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence. Our pockets were full of Everlasting Gobstoppers so there was no need on that score, but, as they say, candy isn't everything.
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Although I don't consider "On the Road" to be SCI FI , i would still have to agree. The only problem is I don't see any directors being capable of pulling it off. David Lynch (ala The Straight Story ) maybe, Linklater could probably do it, Aronofsky, Kielslowski if he wasn't dead...
The only beat generation book to movie translation i know about is David Cronenbergs translation of Burrough's "Naked Lunch". It was indeed a very loose transaltion of the book, incorporating biographic elements, and ideas from his various novels, but masterful none the less. I'll never look at a typewriter the same.
I would like to see Asimov's foundation series done. "Childhood's End" maybe. "Martian Chronicles" is probably about due for a remake.
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I first didn't notice the comma in the title.
I thought "War of the world's chocolate factory trailer", and thought, "My, what a bizzarre concept for a movie."
Don't label something "offtopic" unless you know the topic well enough to tell what's on topic.
...it was called "Independence Day."
I'm hoping that http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0425638/ will be a better War of the Worlds than Cruise's version.
You can see the trailer http://stuffo.howstuffworks.com/wotw-videos.htm
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I have been a fan of his writing as long as I can remember, and I am giddy at the thought of Burton doing an interperetation of it. Burton's work is as weird as Dahl's is twisted, and I think their styles will play off each other well. That is, if there is any of the book left when Burton gets done with it. I'm sure it will be alright.
I've always wanted, though, to see some of Roald Dahl's short stories brought to the big screen. In my opinion they are his best work, and a movie with around seven of them would be awesome. "Skin" has a great ending and would do well in the theater, as would "The Landlady." Are there any producers reading?
And now, damn that Spielberg, I have to go read "War of the Worlds" before the movie comes out.
I regularly report MSN spam to the Hotmail admins.
Er...The Wiz http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078504/ was a "remake."
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-1, Troll? Oh, come on...that was funny. At least he took the time to come up with something.
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It was released on CD, as well as a couple if different remix albums, also produced by Jeff Wayne.
They also made a pretty mediocre PC game based on Wayne's work, and using a lot of the music. (badly edited, in some cases).
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I watched the trailer was appalled by the seemingly bad choice in character for Willy Wonka. I mean Johnny Depp is great in many movies, but he gives off a gothic aura that doesn't sit well with this character. At least by first impressions. I passed the link around the office and received the same kind of response. People were like, "WHAT?!" to "I don't know if I can say without seeing more.." Seems bleek..
Good thing I said "And FYI, before you say so, a "sequel" does not connotate unoriginalness. Empire Stikes Back and Godfather 2 both took the same characters and presented them in a new light to be wonderfully entertaining" - because looks like you said just that.
I didn't say just that. So there definatly is something wrong with your mind then. At least you have taste, so you're not a lost cause. I'm guessing you didn't even read what I wrote, you just launched into agressive reply mode, without giving it much thought. Go back and actually read and try to understand what I said, instead of stubbornly refusing to accept that you might be wrong.
First of all, I've written in a previous thread about the various sources from which Lucas lifted the material he used to populate the Star Wars universe, so I won't repeat it here (sample: Jabba is lifted from Leto II, God Emperor of Dune, both visually and thematically).
Secondly, you're completely missing the point. Spidy2 isn't unoriginal just because it's a sequel, I wrote in my previous post that it's a sequel to and ADAPTATION, do you understand that word? It means that it is based on something that already existed, which means it is not original, because it's an adaptation OF the original. Get it?
What movie, EXACTLY, did the incredibles copy?
I never said "movie". I never said "copied".
Incredibles is derived from many influences. Such as James Bond (car, government ties, music theme, Bond-villain). The Fantastic Four, Superman, the Flash, the X Men (IceMan), the greek myth of Heracles, and the real life ups and downs of the comic book industry in the middle of the 20th century in the U.S.A.
Amongst other things.
So the Incredibles isn't original: it is not the origin of those ideas, concept, characters and stories. It's derived from existing original material. It is a new interpretation, a retelling, it doesn't make it bad, it's simply not original.
BTW, I'm writing an analysis of these various influences in my spare time, since I admire that movie and it's harmonious meshing of it's many original influences. I'll try to remember to send you a link when I put it online, you might learn something.
It is my opinion, and therefore indesputable
Oh great, since it's your opinion, you don't have to take reality into account. You just put up blinders and keep on believing your sacrosaint opinion no matter what the facts are. Super, just... super.
That attitude is puerile and idiotic, your opinion is not the standard that defines reality. It is your opinion that a work is original because you are ignorant of the fact that it is derived from the original work it reinterprets, your opinion is not indisputable, it is wrong, and will change with a little education and maturity.
Oh, so you're one of those people that thinks that everything is copied from something?
No I'm not, I'm one of those people with enough general culture to recognise the influences in the works I see. If you're ignorant about these previous works, then you won't recognise them.
You, on the other hand, are one of those people who tink "original == good" and "not original == bad".
Here's a tip: Learn what the word means, don't just go with the emotional baggage that the word has had tacked on to it.
Movies don't have to be original to be good, and movies that are original are not necessarilly good. Incredibles was not original, but it was good.
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Main Entry: derive
Pronunciation: di-'rIv, dE-
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): derived; deriving
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French deriver, from Latin derivare, literally, to draw off (water), from de- + rivus stream -- more at RUN
transitive senses
1 a : to take, receive, or obtain especially from a specified source
You can't take the sky from me...
All this trailer talk, first look at the new "Batman Begins" trailer, which is showing in theaters right now, but is supposed to hit the internet on Monday. Be the first on your block to see it!
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At least form watching the trialer. I think the reason the orignal is so great is that the movie seems like a happy movie, so all the sinister stuff jumps out even more.
I watched the "wonka" trailer and I am disgusted. The warm, cheerful, beloved movie I grew up with is now some sort of dark, brooding, piece of crap. I hate seeing my childhood memories distroyed. I'll have to make sure my son see's the Gene Wilder version several dozen times before he see's this mess.
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I've been looking for a way to describe the movie using other movies names. Seriously, your "Beetlejuice in CandyLand" his the nail on the head. Other things I've though of were:
"Fear and Loathing in Chocolate"
"Charlie and the Neverland Ranch"
But again, "Beetlejuice in CandyLand" had me laughing out loud
...as the last time when War of the Worlds got so much publicity with the Mercury Theatre Company in 1938. If you don't know what I'm talking about, Wikipedia has a pretty good article explaining an unfortunate incident that happened as a result of an adaptation of this literary classic.
At least Spielberg doesn't milk the same franchise for all it's worth and ruining it's legacy.
*cough*georgelucas*cough*
Interesting that this Spielburg version is depicting the alien hand holding the Earth in a manner very reminiscent of the 1988-1989 season of the TV series.
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. The difference is, in the series intro the alien hand clutched at the Earth from the top, not underneath.
As far as personality goes...I think Depp is a great choice--the book established that Wonka was off his rocker (I think Gener Wilder did quite a good job too--his wonka was quite crazy although Dep will probably add more creepiness).
I think Gene Wilder is visually closer to what I'd imagine Wonka to look like though. They made depp up to look a little like Michael Jackson with a better nose and a haircut not unlike what the girls wore when I was in elementary school at the start of the 80s. I thought Willy Wonka might have a bit more colour in his cheeks and much more unruly hair--perhaps a goatee styled to a point with moustache wax as well. I haven't read the book in some time though, so perhaps I've missed something. The other characters and the whole appearance are great--much how I'd imagine them.
Anyways, if you've seen James and the Giant Peach you know that to make a Roald Dahl book into a movie properly you have to have Tim Burton involved. Ater seeing that movie I actually wondered if he'd follow it up with Charlie. It surprised me that it ended up live action--after Nightmare Before Christmas and James I thought Wonka would be in the same vein. It's still nice to see the same kind of imagry though.
As for the original movie, I liked it as a kid and still think it's not bad, but it would've been quite forgettable without Gene Wilder--Charlie was adequate but not memorable and there was noting done with the other characters--the only exception was Veruca salt...that actress could do obnoxious realy well.
It's a pity that obviously Spielberg didn't have the guts to leave the story where it belongs: At the beginning of the 20th century.
I don't want to sound luddite, but come on. We had our fair share of "Here and now" Monster Invasian stories. "War of the Worlds" started it all. It would have been a sign both of respect and attitude to acknowlegde this by leaving the story in context, i.e. the year 1900.
If you look at the visual treat that was "Sky Captain and The World of Tomorrow" (a movie done with relatively modest ressources), think of the wonders a Steven Spielberg could have done in recreating the age of industrialization. Think of a "Last Samurai"-style Cruise struggling with space-faring aliens in a world that hadn't even learned about heavier-than-air flight. As a "It could happen tomorrow" story set in 200X, this might as well be a lame "Independence Day - the Sequel".
The worst part of this is we'll have to swallow that Mars as we know it today - visited by dozens of probes and probably shorter on intelligent life than our own world - will start an invasion on Earth. Now that's a bit much.
Did anyone else notice the "Merchant of Venice" trailer, also on the Apple Quicktime page? Notice how Shylock isn't a Venture Capitalist for a dot.bomb firm, and he doesn't lend money to Bassanio for a Ferrari to impress Portia? Why is it that the works of Shakespeare (usually!) escape modernism, while H.G. Wells wonderful books always get bastardized! Crap, am I the only one that wants to see a War of the Worlds movie, done with modern special effects, but taking place in the late 19th century? I think it would be more chilling than the "showdown in suburbia" that this piece of crap will likely turn out to be...
Sorry to have to tell you this, but Pamela Anderson has already remade Casablanca - in the movie Barbed Wire (Pamela was of course in the Bogart part, while Temuera Morrison played a lovely Ingrid Bergman). Movie was updated to your standard Mad-Max future state, but otherwise, all plot elements survived intact, from the bar in the neutral zone to the policeman to the last minute ending. And no, it wasn't any good.
In the trailer Wonka looks like he falls somewhere between Michael Jackson and Alex of Clockwork Orange.
Hmm..
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
For anyone who suspects Spielberg's WotW will feature adorable kids as the main characters or that he'll defeat the aliens using the power of the love, it's not the only War of the Worlds movie coming soon...
[o]_O
Anyone else who's seen the trailer think that the bubble-gum chewing girl looks just like the young Natalie Portman in Leon?
I hope I'm not the only one who's feeling that lots of irrelevant news posts have started to appear on our once beloved community.
No... "Forge of God" and its even better sequel "Anvil of Stars"
Pendragon Pictures, Spring 2005 release. Trailer at:
http://www.pendragonpictures.com/WOTWKEY.html
This one is done in period, and promises to be faithful to the book. The trailer for their other film, "Chrome" is worth a look as well.
this wasnt me... i dont know who posted that to pretend to be me....
"But i loveded you PIGGY I LOVEDED YOU!!!!!" *Gir*
Though I believ Johnny Depp is quite a good actor, he really shouldn't have been cast in some of the movies he's appeared in. Remeber Pirates of the Carribbean? Does Depp look much like a pirate to anyone? The rest of the cast looked fine, and he looked completely out of place.
This movie has the same problem. Depp is FAR too young (and looks it as Wonka) to fit in with the plot of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, unless they are making serious changes to the plot.
This isn't a new trend either. In Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas he looked 20, and was supposed to be almost completely bald...
Once Upon a Time in Mexico is a bit different. It wasn't age, so much as him just not looking like anything but a male model... Hardly convincing as a tough killer.
Does he intentionally go after parts he doesn't fit into, and why don't the directors or someone else step-in and say he just doesn't fit the part? Are studios that desperate to get a star on-board that they're willing to have them in a part they don't fit in?
Let's have Sylvester Stallone as Willy Wonka instead...
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Anyone converted Charlie and Chocolate factory to .mpg or .avi?
I really don't like MOVs.
In the end of the movie, Charlie asks what happens to the other kids, and Willy Wonka reassures him that they've been restored to their "normal, terrible selves". The book shows that they have changed from their trip through the factory. Augustus and Mike are stretched out, Violet is blue, and Veruca is covered in garbage. There's no indication that the first three kids will turn back to normal. It's been a while since I read the book, so I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it implies that they are permanently screwed up.
I think this movie will make ID4 look like a piece of crap. I think it is about time that Spielberg returned to the Sci-Fi genre. I only hope that Cruise works with his cast mates instead of overpowering them. Tim Robbins as Ogilvy is a perfect choice. IMHO he is one of the best actors in the world, I love every film I have seen him in. "...Watched this world from the timeless worlds of space."
BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING!
I second that motion
We substituted the coffee Slashdot normally drinks with "Sandoz Crystals", Lets see if they notice the difference
No, he's refering to "Forge of God", an excellent book with an even better sequel, "Anvil of Stars".
That Greg Bear book wher the earth is destroyed... whats its name...
You're refering of course to "Forge of God", and it's most excellent sequel, "Anvil of Stars"
There are limited number of types of stories (IIRC 14 types). If you try hard enough you will find a similar story told before. Movies share common traits not necessarily because they are derived from each other, but because they are derived from the same common archetype.
Well, yes, but there's a difference between sharing a common archetype and copying, ripping off, or being directly inspired by something.
Let's take Star Wars and Dune.
Both sci-fi epics, but one copied elements from the other.
Tattoine is directly inspired from Arrakis: The sand people are the bastard SW version of the Fremen (both Fremen and sand people are reclusive desert dwellers native to their planet, technologically backwards, hostile to offworlders and colonists, and wear a suit including a cape, a face mask with an air filter and googles when venturing outside).
The worm-like ruler of Tattoine known as "Jabba the Hutt" comes from the worm-like Ruler of Arrakis known as "Leto II, the God Emperor" (both are said to be ruthless, both execute people in their palace, both are dark brown "worm centaurs", having their lower body made of a worm'd backside and their "upper" body being a humanoid head and small humanoid arms, and they are both approximatly the same size).
The Sarlack is the SW version of Dune's Shaitan (the worm god/demon, known for devouring people, and a covenient way to dispose of bodies).
So, not only are they derived from the same archetype, but one copies locations, societies and characters from the other.
This example goes beyond simply having a similar story, and you don't have to try hard to see the ressemblance. You only need to be familiar with both works.
You can't take the sky from me...
maybe he meant Orson Wells
:-)
orwells that ends wells
The worst part of this is we'll have to swallow that Mars as we know it today - visited by dozens of probes and probably shorter on intelligent life than our own world - will start an invasion on Earth. Now that's a bit much.
There's always the "the Martians let our probes see what they wanted them to see, and they destroyed the ones that they couldn't manipulate" angle.
It's all about suspension of disbelief, and the above would be plausible in the context of the movie.
I haven't seen the trailer, and have no plans to see the movie, but if you _wanted_ to remake Willy Wonka for some bizarre reason, Depp is almost the only person I could think of to star in it. You could take it in somewhat different directions (e.g. Jim Carey or a younger Tim Curry) but Johnny Depp is really the right guy.
Bill Stewart
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I agree that a polished Hollywood flick would be the wrong way to do that movie, but the basic problem is that nobody takes the quantities of acid that were obviously involved in making the first one...
Bill Stewart
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Just looking at the trailer, Depp is -way- to young to play Wonka. The whole point of the story is Wonka is getting on in years and is looking for an honest young person to help take over. Gene Wilder was the only redeeming feature of the first C&tCF...
Not just that, but the series image (pardon the darkness, calibrated for Macintosh) has the hand clutching an Earth that is a top-to-bottom mirror image of a more famous image. Note the cloud pattern by the thumb.
So technically they both clutch from the bottom.
Oh, say does that Star-Spangled Banner entwine / The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine?