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"Linux will finally have a sound system that works and without it being a pain to deal with."
Kernel 2.6 has ALSA built in and with auto module loading it is really nice (well, nicer than it is without auto loading... which is still nice).
I really think that 2.6 is going to do a lot of good for the world of Linux. I've been running the betas and am VERY impressed with the responsiveness of my machine as compared to 2.4 and it's rock solid too.
It'll be nice when my distro runs it stock and the newer driver models are conformed to. When 2.6 is mainstream I think we're going to see a lot of good things for the Linux world all around.
Re:My predictions for 2004
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I hate to ask, but what is "FUD"?
Re:While we're in punditry mode ...
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Yeah, as far as I know it's more widely used. (Hell, I jumped ship from Gnome a few months ago.)
Re:Nah, Education is the Future
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You state using "NT 4.0" for those situations. Well... using the latest KDE or GNOME is hardly a fair comparison. They're in the ring with XP, not NT 4.0.
XFce runs GREAT on older hardware without sacrificing a lot of nice bits of modern stuff (anti-aliased fonts, gtk2, etc). I just dropped Vector Linux on an old Celeron 366 with 64 megs (it's an old HP) and added XFce4 and it works like a charm.
Actually I find that the US is a bigger whore in that it pretends that it isn't Socialist. What was a Constitutional Republic is gone... been gone for some time but since 9/11 it's bend burned, reburied and had a bunch of extra nails shot into the coffin.
However, you're right about everything else. It's not a matter of other countries lacking whorishness, it's a matter of Microsoft being a US company.
Yeah... but can it regulate body temperature, heart rate, and maintain it's own energy source? And while we're on the subject I'd like to a see a computer with an arm move its own pieces on ANY regular old chess board then I might START to be impressed.
Until computers can "think" I'm not impressed.
I see this more of a man against man and a method against method type deal. The computer was "taught" by humans, built by humans, controlled by humans and powered by methods made by humans.
This is really like getting excited by...
"This just in, a man with a hammer just beat a man with his bare hands in a nail pounding contest!" Sure, there's probably some freaky monk in Asia somewhere with hands like iron that's trained to kill nails with his pinky but... for the rest of us, there's hammers.
Computers are tools. That's it. The computer didn't beat a chess master, the programmers with a tool handled things efficiently and won (or tied or whatever).
Well... there was the naming computers after fruits phase that made me question Mac users sexuality followed by my best friend becoming a Mac user and then coming out of the closet.
*snickers*
Actually I like Macs but given that I'm a Linux/BSD-in-training type I'm rather hardware agnostic. My girlfriend is quickly becoming a Mac-o-holic... which increases the cost of technology based Christmas presents. It's the first time jewelry has looked cheap.
Eh... I'm a big fan of choice. I like GUI installers when I'm working on a system where that makes sense. I like a text based installer when it makes sense.
Mind you, I'm not intimidated by a text based installer in the least, but I like clicking check boxes instead of doing the arrow key + spacebar routine. Again... when it makes sense.
It's certainly isn't a necessity, but neither is hardware autodetection. I mean... only people who know what they're doing should install an OS and those people would already know their hardware ahead of time... like me. But... I like hotplug and I like autodetection.
This is nothing but a glorified CLI vs. GUI debate... a debate that is as pointless as vi vs. Emacs or KDE vs. Gnome or X distro vs. Y distro. It's really a matter of choice, preference, and situation.
Interesting. I'm having a similar problem. I have Samba installed on my Linux box and with 2.2 I could type "smb://" into the location bar on my file manager and see the workgroups on my network and the computers in my workgroup.
Since jumping to 3.0 I can still hit those shares if I know the computer name, but I can't see the workgroups or browse by workgroup anymore. I haven't bothered fixing the problem or really looking into it yet since the shares I use 95% are mounted anyway.
Although I haven't used it yet, you might want to check out Vector Linux. It's built on top of Slackware and I'm planning on installing it soon. They aim at being small, fast and light weight.
http://www.vectorlinux.com/
Also, lemme add the XFce works wonders on older machines without sacrificing a lot of modern niceness (anti-aliased fonts). The file manager blows... but hey.
I use Gentoo most of the time and while I love it, compiling KDE on an old PII is... yeah. It pretty much sucks. I still use Slack on my older machines... it's not the nicest but when you get everything working it's sweet.
I think the reality here is that often you have to live in a 5000 square foot luxury mansion to use OSX in the first place. So I'll tell you what, you want me in that mansion. Email me so I can tell you where to send the check.
Sorry, I like OSX, but I like CHOICE in hardware just as much as CHOICE in software. Thanks but no thanks I just got out of one proprietary software platform and I have no interest in one that's got a hold of both hardware and software.
And ummm... you mean the professionals who... I dunno, borrowed Darwin, KHTML, etc? Those guys? I'll stick with the original authors.
And faster CPUs? You mean like AMD64s that are handing you Mac Nazis your asses back to you.
Think self-righteous assholes that are more annoying than Linux Zealots, think Apple!
But as we all know only 1337 Microsoft haters use Linux. Not people like me who actually ENJOY Linux and the applications over the Windows offering.
My dad uses it too. Why? He's not very computer savvy, but guess what? I service his computer and Linux means I have to deal with no, "Well... reinstall X program or the OS all together." That's my PRIMARY beef with Windows. Something breaks or doesn't work in Linux, I can fix it. In Windows reinstall, pray. If that doesn't work, reload the OS and pray.
Heh. My girlfriend was reading the other day and says to me, "Who is this Anonymous Coward fellow? He posts A LOT." I'm not sure she's ever going to live it down.
Ehhh... I'm running a box that's got 2.4.22 and 2.6.0test9 and both share the same nVidia driver. If a company actually consists of, I don't know, intelligent programmers it's obviously not a big deal.
Neverwinter Nights and Unreal Tournament run just fine in Linux. Carmack always releases his games multiplatform. Good, modular programmers who know how to use a computer and aren't a bunch of cheap hacks can actually do multiplatform releases just fine.
Plus, if anything, now is the time to support Linux. It's popularity is increasing. Get a loyal fan base early on and they'll remember you. The way I see it, a multiplatform release is not only a sign of good programming, but crap, if you release a Linux game it's going to be bought. You practically have a captive market. It's small, but it's not like there's a ton of competition yet.
Basically, there are two types of programmers:
1. Good programmers who think ahead and write portable code. 2. Cheap hacks that masquerade as programmers who don't write portable code.
Eh. I like it. I dunno if this occurs to a lot of you techo Nazis and techo terrorists (that one is especially for you) but one size doesn't fit all and one man's meat is another man's poison. These old sayings exist because it's a commonplace problem.
I've never been able to figure out the open source community (or free software community or Linux community or whatever label you want to generically stick on them, whoever they are) simultaneously creates choice, freedom and... elitist, snob assholes who have to shit talk eveyr last piece of software they don't use or don't like.
I mean geez, my 88 Volvo was the perfect car. It was a wagon so I had a lot of room, could seat five, it got good gas mileage. It wasn't much to look at but as all "1337" types know, if it looks good it must be polished shit. I mean... EVERYONE KNOWS THAT!
By that right, all other cars blow. Especially those new Vipers. They're proof that Dodge can polish a turd! I mean... they can't even seat as many as my old car and it can't haul as much as my truck. It's just for rick pricks with small penises who have too much money that they obviously don't deserve. Everyone knows people who have a lot of money don't deserve it, right?
I like KDE a lot. I use it daily. In fact, it's one of the primary reasons I use Linux. I used to use Gnome but I liked KDE better because EVERYONE KNOWS Gnome sucks right? (Although, it's actually because my preferences obviously differ from Gnome people's and this is why choice is good.)
Me? A zealot!? Ha! And you're a bunghole. (Ruins my priestly visage I guess.)
There was a fair amount of sarcasm in my post. It had less to do with Windows vs. Linux and more to do with someone blowing statistics out their ass.
We have no evidence. No sources. Nothing but some dork on Slashdot's word. Even IF your statistics were the real deal, like anyone here could go on what you said.
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"Linux will finally have a sound system that works and without it being a pain to deal with."
Kernel 2.6 has ALSA built in and with auto module loading it is really nice (well, nicer than it is without auto loading... which is still nice).
I really think that 2.6 is going to do a lot of good for the world of Linux. I've been running the betas and am VERY impressed with the responsiveness of my machine as compared to 2.4 and it's rock solid too.
It'll be nice when my distro runs it stock and the newer driver models are conformed to. When 2.6 is mainstream I think we're going to see a lot of good things for the Linux world all around.
I hate to ask, but what is "FUD"?
Yeah, as far as I know it's more widely used. (Hell, I jumped ship from Gnome a few months ago.)
You state using "NT 4.0" for those situations. Well... using the latest KDE or GNOME is hardly a fair comparison. They're in the ring with XP, not NT 4.0.
XFce runs GREAT on older hardware without sacrificing a lot of nice bits of modern stuff (anti-aliased fonts, gtk2, etc). I just dropped Vector Linux on an old Celeron 366 with 64 megs (it's an old HP) and added XFce4 and it works like a charm.
Actually I find that the US is a bigger whore in that it pretends that it isn't Socialist. What was a Constitutional Republic is gone... been gone for some time but since 9/11 it's bend burned, reburied and had a bunch of extra nails shot into the coffin. However, you're right about everything else. It's not a matter of other countries lacking whorishness, it's a matter of Microsoft being a US company.
Yeah, but she's a chick so doing something feminine is acceptable.
It's like, if my best friend started wearing a dress and heels plus began shaving his legs that'd weird me out and I'd start to think he was fruity.
My girlfriend on the other hand... that's fine.
Yeah... but can it regulate body temperature, heart rate, and maintain it's own energy source? And while we're on the subject I'd like to a see a computer with an arm move its own pieces on ANY regular old chess board then I might START to be impressed.
Until computers can "think" I'm not impressed.
I see this more of a man against man and a method against method type deal. The computer was "taught" by humans, built by humans, controlled by humans and powered by methods made by humans.
This is really like getting excited by...
"This just in, a man with a hammer just beat a man with his bare hands in a nail pounding contest!" Sure, there's probably some freaky monk in Asia somewhere with hands like iron that's trained to kill nails with his pinky but... for the rest of us, there's hammers.
Computers are tools. That's it. The computer didn't beat a chess master, the programmers with a tool handled things efficiently and won (or tied or whatever).
Okay, that was the best laugh I've had all day. Thanks.
Well... there was the naming computers after fruits phase that made me question Mac users sexuality followed by my best friend becoming a Mac user and then coming out of the closet.
*snickers*
Actually I like Macs but given that I'm a Linux/BSD-in-training type I'm rather hardware agnostic. My girlfriend is quickly becoming a Mac-o-holic... which increases the cost of technology based Christmas presents. It's the first time jewelry has looked cheap.
Ahhh yes... another point of choise. If you're using an x86 and want something that's x86 centric with a graphical installer... Mandrake is your pal.
If you use older hardware or something outside the realm of the x86 then Debian is a good idea.
If you're a freakshow that compiles everything and don't care about any installer, Gentoo is a good idea. (I'm a freakshow, by the way.)
I just thought I'd add that, in general, 2.6 makes me VERY happy.
Eh... I'm a big fan of choice. I like GUI installers when I'm working on a system where that makes sense. I like a text based installer when it makes sense.
Mind you, I'm not intimidated by a text based installer in the least, but I like clicking check boxes instead of doing the arrow key + spacebar routine. Again... when it makes sense.
It's certainly isn't a necessity, but neither is hardware autodetection. I mean... only people who know what they're doing should install an OS and those people would already know their hardware ahead of time... like me. But... I like hotplug and I like autodetection.
This is nothing but a glorified CLI vs. GUI debate... a debate that is as pointless as vi vs. Emacs or KDE vs. Gnome or X distro vs. Y distro. It's really a matter of choice, preference, and situation.
Interesting. I'm having a similar problem. I have Samba installed on my Linux box and with 2.2 I could type "smb://" into the location bar on my file manager and see the workgroups on my network and the computers in my workgroup.
Since jumping to 3.0 I can still hit those shares if I know the computer name, but I can't see the workgroups or browse by workgroup anymore. I haven't bothered fixing the problem or really looking into it yet since the shares I use 95% are mounted anyway.
That topped them all. That was fucking awesome. I'm laughing my ass off.
"Mr. Anderson... I... am... your father. With a certain satisfation, I might add."
This movie was so awful and it retroactively ruined the previous two, especially the second one which would make or break on this one.
I think it is time for seppuku.
Although I haven't used it yet, you might want to check out Vector Linux. It's built on top of Slackware and I'm planning on installing it soon. They aim at being small, fast and light weight.
http://www.vectorlinux.com/
Also, lemme add the XFce works wonders on older machines without sacrificing a lot of modern niceness (anti-aliased fonts). The file manager blows... but hey.
I use Gentoo most of the time and while I love it, compiling KDE on an old PII is... yeah. It pretty much sucks. I still use Slack on my older machines... it's not the nicest but when you get everything working it's sweet.
Hmmm... I typed "emerge ogle" and DVDs just worked. Imagine that?
Microsoft-PWS is listed as part of "Microsoft." That made me laugh. I have no idea why.
I really loathe OS Nazis.
I think the reality here is that often you have to live in a 5000 square foot luxury mansion to use OSX in the first place. So I'll tell you what, you want me in that mansion. Email me so I can tell you where to send the check.
Sorry, I like OSX, but I like CHOICE in hardware just as much as CHOICE in software. Thanks but no thanks I just got out of one proprietary software platform and I have no interest in one that's got a hold of both hardware and software.
And ummm... you mean the professionals who... I dunno, borrowed Darwin, KHTML, etc? Those guys? I'll stick with the original authors.
And faster CPUs? You mean like AMD64s that are handing you Mac Nazis your asses back to you.
Think self-righteous assholes that are more annoying than Linux Zealots, think Apple!
But as we all know only 1337 Microsoft haters use Linux. Not people like me who actually ENJOY Linux and the applications over the Windows offering.
My dad uses it too. Why? He's not very computer savvy, but guess what? I service his computer and Linux means I have to deal with no, "Well... reinstall X program or the OS all together." That's my PRIMARY beef with Windows. Something breaks or doesn't work in Linux, I can fix it. In Windows reinstall, pray. If that doesn't work, reload the OS and pray.
Heh. My girlfriend was reading the other day and says to me, "Who is this Anonymous Coward fellow? He posts A LOT." I'm not sure she's ever going to live it down.
Ehhh... I'm running a box that's got 2.4.22 and 2.6.0test9 and both share the same nVidia driver. If a company actually consists of, I don't know, intelligent programmers it's obviously not a big deal.
Neverwinter Nights and Unreal Tournament run just fine in Linux. Carmack always releases his games multiplatform. Good, modular programmers who know how to use a computer and aren't a bunch of cheap hacks can actually do multiplatform releases just fine.
Plus, if anything, now is the time to support Linux. It's popularity is increasing. Get a loyal fan base early on and they'll remember you. The way I see it, a multiplatform release is not only a sign of good programming, but crap, if you release a Linux game it's going to be bought. You practically have a captive market. It's small, but it's not like there's a ton of competition yet.
Basically, there are two types of programmers:
1. Good programmers who think ahead and write portable code.
2. Cheap hacks that masquerade as programmers who don't write portable code.
Eh. I like it. I dunno if this occurs to a lot of you techo Nazis and techo terrorists (that one is especially for you) but one size doesn't fit all and one man's meat is another man's poison. These old sayings exist because it's a commonplace problem.
I've never been able to figure out the open source community (or free software community or Linux community or whatever label you want to generically stick on them, whoever they are) simultaneously creates choice, freedom and... elitist, snob assholes who have to shit talk eveyr last piece of software they don't use or don't like.
I mean geez, my 88 Volvo was the perfect car. It was a wagon so I had a lot of room, could seat five, it got good gas mileage. It wasn't much to look at but as all "1337" types know, if it looks good it must be polished shit. I mean... EVERYONE KNOWS THAT!
By that right, all other cars blow. Especially those new Vipers. They're proof that Dodge can polish a turd! I mean... they can't even seat as many as my old car and it can't haul as much as my truck. It's just for rick pricks with small penises who have too much money that they obviously don't deserve. Everyone knows people who have a lot of money don't deserve it, right?
I like KDE a lot. I use it daily. In fact, it's one of the primary reasons I use Linux. I used to use Gnome but I liked KDE better because EVERYONE KNOWS Gnome sucks right? (Although, it's actually because my preferences obviously differ from Gnome people's and this is why choice is good.)
Man... you sideline software critics piss me off.
Me? A zealot!? Ha! And you're a bunghole. (Ruins my priestly visage I guess.)
There was a fair amount of sarcasm in my post. It had less to do with Windows vs. Linux and more to do with someone blowing statistics out their ass.
We have no evidence. No sources. Nothing but some dork on Slashdot's word. Even IF your statistics were the real deal, like anyone here could go on what you said.
My thoughts exactly.