Maybe it's because I was already using ALSA, but the upgrade to 2.6 was painless for me. I might as well have been doing a minor update tp 2.4. I had to recompile my modtools... but that wasn't exactly a problem. I actually upgraded to test9 because I got a CD burner and wanted DMA support for ATAPI. I thought setting up a burner, k3b and a new kernel were going to make for a long night. Turns out a few compiles later, everything was working. I was really sad...
All righty, well here you go... *passes over a tinfoil hat*
I hope that helps keep the Orbital SCO rays from taking over your thoughts and turning you against the OSS world.
Who gives a shit about Canopy and Qt? Why don't you answer a question of mine:
Given that we have a GPL version of Qt, what can take it away or prevent a fork?
I don't care if *Microsoft* owns 95% of Trolltech because that license is a shield. This is why the GPL is a Good Thing(TM). If Trolltech is bought there will be a fork and... heh... I wonder which one is going to stay on top.
I can always expect any discussion concerning GTK or QT to bring out some of the biggest morons on the block.
Trolltech made Qt and they can license it however they want. There, that was easy. They have no obligation to you or to me to allow you or me to make commercial software that's closed source for free. I am so sick and tired of the LGPL whining. I'm not terribly interested in people who want to take from the Open Source community and give nothing back and the way QT is set up is simply, if you don't want to give back, pay up.
If stealing code is your thing, GTK is sitting there waiting to be used shamelessly. If you want to close your source up, pay up. Otherwise, open up. If you're requirement is LGPL, don't use something that isn't LGPL'd. It's really very simple.
I've used a number of operating systems over the years and while Linux is where I spend more of my time anymore I can't see any reason to feel guilty over using something else if it did the job better and that includes keeping me entertained, which Linux does better than anything else. Who needs games when I've got prism54 drivers to get working?
Seriously though, if you feel guilt for the OS of your choice on top of already being a fucking nerd, you're a fucking loser and you need to never, ever touch a computer again. I haven't even read the article but just the thought of guilt setting in over this shit...? Please, email me your address so I can take a 2x4 to all your hardware and then to you.
Exactly, and I'd mod you up if I had any points today. As far as I'm concerned award ceremonies in general are a joke. Who cares about an industry getting together to kiss its own ass and drive up ratings? I know I don't.
I'm an American and I was going to reply to Mr. Teary Eyed red, white and blue but thank you, now I don't have to.
If anything I think America deserves one of the greatest places in infamy that ever could be. In the end it'll have the same status as Rome. A nation founded in freedom, personal responsibility and the creation of a new way of governing only to let prosperity turn it into an imperialist waste.
It has something to do with a Russian comedian named Yakov Smirnoff. I don't know what any of his original jokes were but it's like...
In Soviet Russia the TV watches YOU... like it's bugged because of the nature of Communist government.
I do remember one of his actual jokes... he was talking about how difficult it was to explain Watergate to Soviets. "A bunch of guys broke in and set up recording devices." To which he says, "So...? We call it room service." Anyway, I thought he was funny. Too much information.
How can this get flagged as redundant before I'm even reading any similar posts? WTF?
I can't tell what to do with version numbers. Call me a heretic but for major releases I like the year release (95, etc) but the problem there is dealing with point releases. I think the fact that they're already 10.0 implies that they release major versions WAY too often.
And although 10 is arbitrary, that does seem like the perfect release for something major like 2.6 and a newer version of KDE. I'm looking forward to seeing 2.6 become more standard. I've been using it since the release candidates of my main machine and my laptop and couldn't be too much happier.
Me> Uhhh... sweety? Wife> Yes dear? Me> I'm working, so could you please shut the fuck up? Either that or we'll trade... you go to work every day and see if you can maintain a job while I annoy you from home and tell you about last night's football game.
Of course and even easier solution is to just turn IM off during work (that helps) or when I used it during work I simply created another screen name for work that I gave to work people only.
How will a communication tool lead to a break down in communication.
I'm also tired of the "you need to go outside and get some sunlight" line. I do. Just because I use a computer regularly doesn't mean I don't get out and do some working out. If anything, my computer became my work time (since that's how I make money) and it also took over any time I used to spend watching TV as a kid. So, instead of vegging out with no interaction, I have email and IM and other means of talking to people.
I don't know about most of the people around here but just because you know what IM is doesn't mean you have a communications problem. I know a number of really shy people that are actually able to be more open and talk more as a result of IMs. And I'm not talking about internet strangers, I'm talking about friends and people I know what won't really have a serious conversation otherwise because talking scares them. Telling them to "get over it" (which I know someone will do) is just lame. They now have a means of expression that they're comfortable with.
Embrace technology and use it as it should be used and stop the doomsday blabbing about communication. I mean if you really feel that way you should be outside getting some sun and talking to strangers in a coffee shop instead of giving me something to respond to on Slashdot.
It's not that bad. When I lived in my previous house we had a big downstairs room that I converted into a sort of office (although it was more of a game room). Not only did my siblings have their computers down there along with mine, butfour of my friends simply kept their computers hooked up at my place.
At times... the room would be dead quiet and we were all having a conversation. I don't think I'd call it sad. My parents liked it! It's not that often you can have 7 teenagers in a room like that and still have it quiet enough to sleep at 4:00am.
It is funny IMing someone in the same room though.
I think the biggest problem I'm seeing in this entire discussion is it's like... if people don't use IM then they must be a family that talks a lot and if you do use IM then you're a bunch of, as you say, reclusive trolls that never talk and are disfunctional in some way.
We use IMing in my house but when my parents or siblings want to actually talk to me and they do and it works the same the other way. I find that overall, we have more communication. First, it cuts down on yelling when someone is needed elsewhere (assuming they're at their computer) and second it allows me to carry a slow response time conversation if I'm reading or working. It's also an easy way to send links which, when they're really funny or interesting will generally cause whoever received it to come in and talk about it (interesting) or laugh about it.
I can't talk to my girlfriend on the phone and work on a programming project at the same time but I can with IMing. I honestly see this as a good thing. If IMing cuts into your family's communication in a negative way, odds are it wasn't that great to start with.
Prison rape is fucking hilarious. George Carlin will tell you that anything is fucking hilarious as long as the right exaggeration is added. Frankly, I say... skip prison and just pass the rape by bubba. That way... tax dollars aren't paying for his cell AND he stops spamming.
It's fixed in the final version. I've been running pure IDE burns since test9 and test11 messed everything up. In final, everything works as it should.
I couldn't help it. I was actually quite the Yakov Smirnoff fan as a kid. My younger brother even has an autographed picture of him which might have something to do with my unnatural fascination with that joke.
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But it really isn't about winning either. I don't think Gentoo is going anywhere and if RPM takes over (which I can't see happening) it won't be the death of Debian. They'll continue to appeal to certain people.
I really like where Linux as a whole is right now and it'll get more exciting as more companies and more people embrace it as a whole and there will always be distros to appeal to different groups.
I'm just hoping no single distro ever takes the majority.
Heh. Given the paperless Sequoia electronic voting machines, do you trust who's going into office now?
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I never said it would destroy the "Gentoo system." I was in reference to the community. Their forums are one of the BEST and FRIENDLIEST places to get info. The other nice thing is it is very... well... "community" feeling. I answer questions and I get questions answered for me.
Mix in a ton of corps and do you think they're going to hang around and help? It'll make things more impersonal.
I'm not saying it would be the end of Gentoo, I'm simply stating that I believe it would ruin the community. Perhaps not though. I guess I can't see some IT suit in his office posting with any kind of avatar to speak of or being noted as "Tux's lil' helper."
This is also not a matter of "elitism." I don't think I'm "better" than anyone. I don't use Gentoo because I'm "1337" or because compiling everything from source somehow makes me more "advanced" or "intelligent." I use it because I like the way their boot scripts are arranged and as far as package management goes I like Portage because I like having the newest software and don't like waiting for other people to pack the binaries. It's more a matter of convenience than anything else.
It's fun to have things niche. It's fun to have them smaller and more personal. It's nice to be able to talk to the developers directly as normal people. Technologically speaking, numbers won't hurt it. But socially and community speaking I think it will. I could be wrong.
The other thing is this, perhaps it's not so much a matter of numbers but rather a matter of who those numbers are. Gentoo's grown a lot since I picked it up last Octoberish but it's still very friendly. It's full of freaks who run the newest software and like top have beta kernels on their machines. So, if it increases in people like that, cool.
I just hate when a distro tries to be all things to all people because it loses its focus. It's like those multifuntion printer/scanner/fax things in your office that do all things poorly.
Of course, as long as Gentoo's method of install remains as is it'll never be corporate IT stuff and most Joe Six-packs will leave it alone.
Ohhh... okay. Keep in mind I just install my sound drivers and play music on my box so to me that's a solid sound system. But yeah, I get what you're saying now.
What I responded with really had little to do with what you were talking about now that I think about it.
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Which was pretty much my point. And let them. Let the nerds have the nerd distros, the hippies have the hippy distros and the corps have the corp distros. All this talk of "We need a unified distro or even just a few standard distros..." is silly. I like when distros fill their niches and I hope it stays that way.
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*rolls eyes*
No WONDER everyone seems to have this thing against Gentoo users. I think a lot of us get too caught up in our own distribution's "superiority" without remembering that the cool part of multiple distributions appeal to certain people. However tons of people seem to wish their particular distro will catch on and take the mainstream.
Frankly, as a Gentoo user, I don't ever want it to "take over" (and being source based I don't think it will). I like its niche and I like its community. Mass usage is going to kill that.
I don't think Gentoo is ever going to appeal to "big" corps or businesses. Small shops perhaps (I use it for all my operations) but the big guys? Nope. Corporations like dealing with corporations, it's that simple.
That is one of the most pathetic and sad images that's ever been burned into my little brain. China making all those...
That's just... that's awful.
Well... What do you do? I run for office, make a lot of noise, show up in the local papers and still get overshadowed by local high school football scores. No one cares about freedom. At least, not most people.
But things will take their natural flow and there will be some sort of passive or violent revolt when things get REALLY bad. For a time there will be prosperity but that will lead right back to where we are now. Repeat process for eternity.
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Maybe it's because I was already using ALSA, but the upgrade to 2.6 was painless for me. I might as well have been doing a minor update tp 2.4. I had to recompile my modtools... but that wasn't exactly a problem. I actually upgraded to test9 because I got a CD burner and wanted DMA support for ATAPI. I thought setting up a burner, k3b and a new kernel were going to make for a long night. Turns out a few compiles later, everything was working. I was really sad...
Have you been touching your OSX again!? Let us pray.
All righty, well here you go... *passes over a tinfoil hat*
I hope that helps keep the Orbital SCO rays from taking over your thoughts and turning you against the OSS world.
Who gives a shit about Canopy and Qt? Why don't you answer a question of mine:
Given that we have a GPL version of Qt, what can take it away or prevent a fork?
I don't care if *Microsoft* owns 95% of Trolltech because that license is a shield. This is why the GPL is a Good Thing(TM). If Trolltech is bought there will be a fork and... heh... I wonder which one is going to stay on top.
I can always expect any discussion concerning GTK or QT to bring out some of the biggest morons on the block.
Trolltech made Qt and they can license it however they want. There, that was easy. They have no obligation to you or to me to allow you or me to make commercial software that's closed source for free. I am so sick and tired of the LGPL whining. I'm not terribly interested in people who want to take from the Open Source community and give nothing back and the way QT is set up is simply, if you don't want to give back, pay up.
If stealing code is your thing, GTK is sitting there waiting to be used shamelessly. If you want to close your source up, pay up. Otherwise, open up. If you're requirement is LGPL, don't use something that isn't LGPL'd. It's really very simple.
I've used a number of operating systems over the years and while Linux is where I spend more of my time anymore I can't see any reason to feel guilty over using something else if it did the job better and that includes keeping me entertained, which Linux does better than anything else. Who needs games when I've got prism54 drivers to get working?
Seriously though, if you feel guilt for the OS of your choice on top of already being a fucking nerd, you're a fucking loser and you need to never, ever touch a computer again. I haven't even read the article but just the thought of guilt setting in over this shit...? Please, email me your address so I can take a 2x4 to all your hardware and then to you.
Exactly, and I'd mod you up if I had any points today. As far as I'm concerned award ceremonies in general are a joke. Who cares about an industry getting together to kiss its own ass and drive up ratings? I know I don't.
I'm an American and I was going to reply to Mr. Teary Eyed red, white and blue but thank you, now I don't have to.
If anything I think America deserves one of the greatest places in infamy that ever could be. In the end it'll have the same status as Rome. A nation founded in freedom, personal responsibility and the creation of a new way of governing only to let prosperity turn it into an imperialist waste.
Blah. Yeah... I know I'm proud.
It has something to do with a Russian comedian named Yakov Smirnoff. I don't know what any of his original jokes were but it's like...
In Soviet Russia the TV watches YOU... like it's bugged because of the nature of Communist government.
I do remember one of his actual jokes... he was talking about how difficult it was to explain Watergate to Soviets. "A bunch of guys broke in and set up recording devices." To which he says, "So...? We call it room service." Anyway, I thought he was funny. Too much information.
Actually mod me jackass for not reading the article or looking at the specs for 10.0. Blah. I'll just flame myself before anyone else does.
RTFA (and anything related to it)
How can this get flagged as redundant before I'm even reading any similar posts? WTF?
I can't tell what to do with version numbers. Call me a heretic but for major releases I like the year release (95, etc) but the problem there is dealing with point releases. I think the fact that they're already 10.0 implies that they release major versions WAY too often.
And although 10 is arbitrary, that does seem like the perfect release for something major like 2.6 and a newer version of KDE. I'm looking forward to seeing 2.6 become more standard. I've been using it since the release candidates of my main machine and my laptop and couldn't be too much happier.
(Yeah, yeah... mod me offtopic for rambling.)
Or...
Me> Uhhh... sweety?
Wife> Yes dear?
Me> I'm working, so could you please shut the fuck up? Either that or we'll trade... you go to work every day and see if you can maintain a job while I annoy you from home and tell you about last night's football game.
Of course and even easier solution is to just turn IM off during work (that helps) or when I used it during work I simply created another screen name for work that I gave to work people only.
How will a communication tool lead to a break down in communication.
I'm also tired of the "you need to go outside and get some sunlight" line. I do. Just because I use a computer regularly doesn't mean I don't get out and do some working out. If anything, my computer became my work time (since that's how I make money) and it also took over any time I used to spend watching TV as a kid. So, instead of vegging out with no interaction, I have email and IM and other means of talking to people.
I don't know about most of the people around here but just because you know what IM is doesn't mean you have a communications problem. I know a number of really shy people that are actually able to be more open and talk more as a result of IMs. And I'm not talking about internet strangers, I'm talking about friends and people I know what won't really have a serious conversation otherwise because talking scares them. Telling them to "get over it" (which I know someone will do) is just lame. They now have a means of expression that they're comfortable with.
Embrace technology and use it as it should be used and stop the doomsday blabbing about communication. I mean if you really feel that way you should be outside getting some sun and talking to strangers in a coffee shop instead of giving me something to respond to on Slashdot.
It's not that bad. When I lived in my previous house we had a big downstairs room that I converted into a sort of office (although it was more of a game room). Not only did my siblings have their computers down there along with mine, butfour of my friends simply kept their computers hooked up at my place.
At times... the room would be dead quiet and we were all having a conversation. I don't think I'd call it sad. My parents liked it! It's not that often you can have 7 teenagers in a room like that and still have it quiet enough to sleep at 4:00am.
It is funny IMing someone in the same room though.
I think the biggest problem I'm seeing in this entire discussion is it's like... if people don't use IM then they must be a family that talks a lot and if you do use IM then you're a bunch of, as you say, reclusive trolls that never talk and are disfunctional in some way.
We use IMing in my house but when my parents or siblings want to actually talk to me and they do and it works the same the other way. I find that overall, we have more communication. First, it cuts down on yelling when someone is needed elsewhere (assuming they're at their computer) and second it allows me to carry a slow response time conversation if I'm reading or working. It's also an easy way to send links which, when they're really funny or interesting will generally cause whoever received it to come in and talk about it (interesting) or laugh about it.
I can't talk to my girlfriend on the phone and work on a programming project at the same time but I can with IMing. I honestly see this as a good thing. If IMing cuts into your family's communication in a negative way, odds are it wasn't that great to start with.
Prison rape is fucking hilarious. George Carlin will tell you that anything is fucking hilarious as long as the right exaggeration is added. Frankly, I say... skip prison and just pass the rape by bubba. That way... tax dollars aren't paying for his cell AND he stops spamming.
It's fixed in the final version. I've been running pure IDE burns since test9 and test11 messed everything up. In final, everything works as it should.
It's "SOVIET RUSSIA" and not "Communist Russia."
Pheh. Can't even get the cliches right. (And I think they're +6 funny, so there.)
In SOVIET RUSSIA the beaver stones you!
I couldn't help it. I was actually quite the Yakov Smirnoff fan as a kid. My younger brother even has an autographed picture of him which might have something to do with my unnatural fascination with that joke.
But it really isn't about winning either. I don't think Gentoo is going anywhere and if RPM takes over (which I can't see happening) it won't be the death of Debian. They'll continue to appeal to certain people.
I really like where Linux as a whole is right now and it'll get more exciting as more companies and more people embrace it as a whole and there will always be distros to appeal to different groups.
I'm just hoping no single distro ever takes the majority.
It's important.
Heh. Given the paperless Sequoia electronic voting machines, do you trust who's going into office now?
I never said it would destroy the "Gentoo system." I was in reference to the community. Their forums are one of the BEST and FRIENDLIEST places to get info. The other nice thing is it is very... well... "community" feeling. I answer questions and I get questions answered for me.
Mix in a ton of corps and do you think they're going to hang around and help? It'll make things more impersonal.
I'm not saying it would be the end of Gentoo, I'm simply stating that I believe it would ruin the community. Perhaps not though. I guess I can't see some IT suit in his office posting with any kind of avatar to speak of or being noted as "Tux's lil' helper."
This is also not a matter of "elitism." I don't think I'm "better" than anyone. I don't use Gentoo because I'm "1337" or because compiling everything from source somehow makes me more "advanced" or "intelligent." I use it because I like the way their boot scripts are arranged and as far as package management goes I like Portage because I like having the newest software and don't like waiting for other people to pack the binaries. It's more a matter of convenience than anything else.
It's fun to have things niche. It's fun to have them smaller and more personal. It's nice to be able to talk to the developers directly as normal people. Technologically speaking, numbers won't hurt it. But socially and community speaking I think it will. I could be wrong.
The other thing is this, perhaps it's not so much a matter of numbers but rather a matter of who those numbers are. Gentoo's grown a lot since I picked it up last Octoberish but it's still very friendly. It's full of freaks who run the newest software and like top have beta kernels on their machines. So, if it increases in people like that, cool.
I just hate when a distro tries to be all things to all people because it loses its focus. It's like those multifuntion printer/scanner/fax things in your office that do all things poorly.
Of course, as long as Gentoo's method of install remains as is it'll never be corporate IT stuff and most Joe Six-packs will leave it alone.
Ohhh... okay. Keep in mind I just install my sound drivers and play music on my box so to me that's a solid sound system. But yeah, I get what you're saying now.
What I responded with really had little to do with what you were talking about now that I think about it.
Which was pretty much my point. And let them. Let the nerds have the nerd distros, the hippies have the hippy distros and the corps have the corp distros. All this talk of "We need a unified distro or even just a few standard distros..." is silly. I like when distros fill their niches and I hope it stays that way.
*rolls eyes*
No WONDER everyone seems to have this thing against Gentoo users. I think a lot of us get too caught up in our own distribution's "superiority" without remembering that the cool part of multiple distributions appeal to certain people. However tons of people seem to wish their particular distro will catch on and take the mainstream.
Frankly, as a Gentoo user, I don't ever want it to "take over" (and being source based I don't think it will). I like its niche and I like its community. Mass usage is going to kill that.
I don't think Gentoo is ever going to appeal to "big" corps or businesses. Small shops perhaps (I use it for all my operations) but the big guys? Nope. Corporations like dealing with corporations, it's that simple.
That is one of the most pathetic and sad images that's ever been burned into my little brain. China making all those...
That's just... that's awful.
Well... What do you do? I run for office, make a lot of noise, show up in the local papers and still get overshadowed by local high school football scores. No one cares about freedom. At least, not most people.
But things will take their natural flow and there will be some sort of passive or violent revolt when things get REALLY bad. For a time there will be prosperity but that will lead right back to where we are now. Repeat process for eternity.