The military do genuinely have a number of requirements that are not shared by the general public, such as the ability to continue functioning after the loss of 80% or more of the infrastructure in a particular locality.
I hope you were saying that as a joke. I am a systems maintainer in the USAF. Every day, I get a call about one or more "vital" telecom lines that have dropped.
The customers that I service are given a single, anemic line running through an overtasked proxy server connected to an abominal firewall mapped with infuriating rules. I am not talking about a single base either either. It seems that most bases are this way. The backbones are generally good, if you happen to work at a base with a NIPRNET/SIPRNET gateway router. If you work at a smaller base, you will understand the constant plague of IDNX system reroutes and satalites that "just dissappear" for hours.
And how do the customers react when they cannot access afpubs.af.mil? Do they use an alternate system? Is their 80% redundancy there? No, it isn't.
The customer gets screwed and no one cares. NO ONE! Why? Because the motto of DISA is "Hey, what choice do you have?" Meanwhile, me and my co-workers dry out "wet cable", querry call paths, and wait for FedEx to bring in replacement line drivers.
Sorry for the rant, I'm just wondering where the 80% redundancy is. I have been in for a while, and I have never seen it.
Well, for starters, I think the beauty of GNOME is that there are 30+ packages. During the build, it is easier to troubleshoot one failure in 5 or 6 packages than to troubleshoot 6 failures in one package. Also, from what I've seen, most of the dependencies are part of a standard install anyway.
As for uninstall try setting:
"alias gcfg=./configure prefix=/opt/gnome_beta"
then do:
gcfg && make && make install
for all the packages you need. If you want to uninstall, just delete the gnome_beta directory.
You can also do a make uninstall on most packages to remove them. Or even boot off a floppy and tar your system to another disk before trying gnome2. If you don't like it, just do an untar and you are back where you started.
Re:Sounds wrong to me
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Abusing the GPL?
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· Score: 1, Flamebait
Who is goint to sue $Big_Comp if they reuse your code? You? Not likely. The FSF? Maybe.
No, more than likely, you'd get a misspelled writeup on/. with mangled facts and links that are 502. The community would rally, for an hour or so. Then they would be onto the next big thing.
A few months would go by and you would see a 3 line summary about how $Big_Comp killed you with 50 lawyers and some purchaced politicians.
While it is nice to think that in 50 years we will all have flying, hydrogen-powered cars, you must attempt to preserve the resources you KNOW to be valueable.
I, for one, think the policy of dependance on foreign oil is a good thing. One day, oil will run low. Would you rather be asking for foreign oil now, or in 30~50 years? It may seem harsh, but at that time, we can tell OPEC to kiss our asses and leave the Middle East to the religous zealots.
More of a license to your copyrighted material. I'm guessing that exposure of said copyrighted material to a third party is grounds for termination of beforementioned license.
I haven't tuned in as of yet (just woke up at work and cannot find the power supply for my speakers), but it seems to me that they would be reading the algorithym, not the code.
Reading the code symbol for symbol would seem to me to be slightly, well, geeky. But not in that good way.
On a side note, has anyone thought about calling Guiness ( the records guys, not the beer guys) for a note in The Book? This has to be the longest online reading ever.
On second thought, call the beer guys too. It might be harder to understand, but it would be a hellava lot more fun. And I can always get the written transcripts later:)
begin Kris Herzog quotation:
> I know I may have said some harsh things on the Tron list, but I'd
> actually like to put all that aside, and personally thank you, as
> you've given me an idea to write an article about the larger
> picture.
>
> Basically, I'm trying to patch together ideas into an article that
> addresses the issues that we all have recently suffered through.
>
> So I'll ask you the same questions that I have of others, and I'd
> appreciate your complete honesty and I will promise that I will NOT
> turn this into a personal attack on you. This was never my
> intention.
Thank you for taking the time to approach me and hear me out.
I'll try to explain my side of things as best I can, here.
> So here we go:
>
> "In the particular example I am using, someone who was exploiting a
> Microsoft Outlook bug by modifying his X-Headers to cause his
> messages to be read as attachments on a mailing list.
As a matter of fact, that's factually incorrect. While it's
true that my headers do have some doozies, they're mostly innocuous.
The worst one probably is the X-WebTV-STationery, which sets my text
to black-on-black for anyone reading with a WebTV. WebTVs are pretty
rare nowadays, but that's easily overridden I'm told. The +++ath bug
only affects your ISP's modems (which are NOT likely to have the
hangup flaw), and it's formatted wrong anyway. That one's more of a
troll.
No, the attachment bug is far more subtle than that. It
doesn't happen based on headers, which are rightfully the section of
an e-mail that mail readers are SUPPOSED to process. Instead, the bug
is that any message that has the word "begin" at the beginning of a
line will be treated as a garbled attachment from that point on.
It's a horrible bug in Outlook, though not one that appears
when an exchange server is used (I can explain why later if you like).
Microsoft has not even acknowledged it as a bug, and apparently recent
versions of Outlook Express have had features REMOVED that once let
the user read the mails anyway. It used to be that the user could
select some sort of "view source" option and view the message
unprocessed. I'm told that this no longer works.
My other two headers are mostly annoyances. I set a Reply-By
that flags my messages as red, and my X-Message-Flag pretends that the
reason they can't read my mail is because of some censorship software
somewhere blocking my message from their eyes.
Even if I were to remove all of the custom headers from my
messages, the simple fact is that my ordinary internet-standard
plain-text messages will still cause this problem. In fact, the
problem was discovered *accidentally*, when Bruce Sterling distributed
a document via e-mail that had the word "begin" appear at the start of
a line in the middle of one of his paragraphs.
> Another example is a mailing list that will reject any mail from
> Windows-based clients.
Yes. It's true that I run a mailing list that does not allow
posting from Windows users. Many people complain about this, but in
my mind I see it as no different than a restaurant or dance hall
having a dress code. It raises the bar for entry to the list, and
ensures that users really want to be there.
There are two ways, actually, that one can meet the
crackmonkey mailing list dress code. One is to simply use Free
Software, and not use a mailer that requires you to accept a license
that makes you promise not to share with your friends. Another is to
continue to use your Windows-based mailer, but hack the headers of
your message so as not to betray your use of the software.
Both methods demonstrate an effort made to post to the list,
as well as a certain degree of technical acumen. Our IRC channel on
slashnet.org has the same sort of dress code: You can use a
non-Windows IRC client, or you can fake your version information.
> This caused problems for many people using Microsoft products, and
> as such, I'm trying to gain perspectives from both the
> Microsoft/Non-Microsoft sides to help describe the situation of
> people who believe in open-source to the point of zealotry, and how
> this can be addressed in the modern 'free society' of the Internet
> and the spirit of "Open Source" in the fact that it supports a
> non-discriminatory feeling and policy. And how some people have
> taken the battle to new level with this kind of behavior."
First of all, I am not a member of the Open Source movement.
They seem only interested in how you can make money from free
software. I am actually (believe it or not) more concerned with the
ethical and moral issues involved in the subjugation of human beings
through restrictive copyright and patent law. I consider myself a
member of the Free Software movement.
Many people have somehow drawn the premature conclusion that
the reason I do this is because of some sort of ideological zealotry.
What I do with my e-mails was certainly informed by my technical
experience with free software, but it is not done out of a desire to
change anyone.
Many people have also mistakenly joined the open source/free
software cause with the anti-microsoft cause. This is foolhardy,
since there are many proprietary programs for GNU/Linux and BSD whose
licenses are just as antisocial as any Windows license. You'll note
that there are a lot of proprietary programs that don't suffer the
flaws of Outlook Express, and they can read my messages just fine.
Don't you think that if I were doing this out of some sort of free
software zealotry, I'd break ALL proprietary mailers?
Also, there is the mistaken impression that I am somehow
discriminating against a whole class of people by writing e-mail that
Outlook refuses to read. I see this as a curious by-product of
American culture, whereby your consumer tastes somehow create a
ready-made cultural identity for you. There are a great many FREELY
AVAILABLE mailers (for Windows, even) that are capable of reading
plain-text messages. You yourself are using Eudora, which is just
such a program!
> "Would you view behavior like this as a detriment to the open source
> movement as a whole?"
[...]
> Honestly, I'd like to hear your side to this, the reasons why you
> feel the way you do, and why you chose to follow the path you have.
I've been using Unix-based mailers for well over a decade.
I've been mailed countless illegible attachments from Windows users
over the past ten years. It's immature of me, I know, but to some
degree turnabout is fair play.
I don't do it to win people over (and yes, it definitely
generates a lot of ill-will for free software among those who
mistakenly associate it with the cause), although I have seen many
people for whom this was the straw that broke the dromedary's back.
If people think my messages are worth reading, then they will (like
the dedicated posters to the crackmonkey mailing list) adjust their
computing environment to accomodate.
The folks using Outlook Express have locked themselves into a
limited subset of the information that can flow over the Internet, and
are blaming me personally for not limiting my transmissions to that
outlook-centric subset. If I were to post all of my messages in
Russian, even fewer people on the Tron list would be able to
understand them; but would there then be an uproar demanding my
removal from the list?
--
INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION
01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter!
^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.)
...just appeared in the universe. When ttyquake was released, God cried at the absolute wrongness of it. But after this, he has torn the universe asunder. The only way to clense his creation of the horrible mistake is to purge all life from the Galaxy. Yea, even as it happened in the day of Moses, a great flood is being brought down upon us.
In related news, astrophysicists everywhere stood in amazement as the expanding universe slowed, stopped, and began to collapse back on itself.
Also of note, astronomers in the Northern Hemisphere were baffled by the apperance of a new constilation. The collection of never-before-seen stars actually spelled out a phrase. "1 0wn3d j00" could clearly be read in Hebrew.
If they start suing my video card's manufacturer and prevent me from using other such resources, not only is prior art going to be established and the patent is going to get thrown out
Don't just blindly assume that the courts will handle this. How many other stories have we seen on/. about lawsuits being filed agianst a company where prior art is blatently obvious. And remember that even a bogous lawsuit can crush a small buisness before the judge even has a chance to throw the lawsuit out.
but they are going to lose my business as well as, I hope, yours.
If a company produces a good DVR-like product in competition with SB, you may think that taking your buisness to the competitor is the way to go. In fact, your video card company may have already licensed the tech from SB. Your money may be going to SB without your knowledge.
I hate to cast doubts any idea without at least trying to propose an answer. My theory is that sometime in the not too distant future, there will be a group of "Patent Terrorists" who will blacklist any company who carries products from companies like PR. Kinda like a 2010 version of "burning the bras".
I remember a company that would go to your house after you died. The basic concept was for them to be notified as soon as you died. They would go to your house and clean it up. They would remove all the "incriminating evidince" and even call up magazine companies to cancel subscriptions.
I tried to find a link, but a google search turned up nothing.
Well, there IS a.it domain. seems like you could have a lot of fun there. Any other pronoun TLDs out there?
BTW, what are the rules behind grabbing a domain in a country that isn't yours? It seems to me that if your physical server is outside of the USA, you should not be able to reg a.us.
Of course, that opens up questions about load-balancing techniques and back-end servers, but my guess it that every porn site in the Cayman Islands will have a "cum.c.us" as soon as possible.
I know this is a little off topic, but I think the correct term is "Backhoe Fade". A quick search turned up an "official" government project .
BTW, the word "fade" is a throwback to the time when most longhaul communications was done using troposcatter microwave systems. Small atmospheric changes such as rain, volcanic dust, solar flares and sunspots would cause the Recieve Signal Level to drop. Ok, Ok, who am I kidding; those bastards would fade at dawn, dusk, mid-day, mid-night, summer and winter solstace, equinox, and any time someone stood too close to the radio. A guy I knew actually shot a radio once for excessive fade. He claimed it was an accident, but the investigator was clued in by the fact that there were 3 holes in the radio...
Actually, I would liken it to a shop owner charging different prices based on skin color. Basicly, these people are telling us that they want nothing to do with Open Source. They sit in their leather-covered chairs behind their rosewood and mahogany desks and tell us that we are going to have to find another fountain to drink from.
Yeah, i thought that at first. But then I remembered that Aki is actually a fake anyway. And even though two wrongs don't nescessarily make a right, two fakes kinda make one real...or something like that.
The penny thing seems like an urban legend to me. Doesn't a penny (or any object) reach a terminal velocity based on its weight and aerodynamics? I am thinking that a penny would reach terminal velocity after a few meters. I'm not saying it wouldn't hurt like hell, but I doubt it would penetrate the block of a Lincoln Town Car.
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Yep, it most definately did terminate...asshole:)
a couple of my cow-workers are perfectly
Would that be a Freudian slip...or just too much caffffffene....
The military do genuinely have a number of requirements that are not shared by the general public, such as the ability to continue functioning after the loss of 80% or more of the infrastructure in a particular locality.
I hope you were saying that as a joke. I am a systems maintainer in the USAF. Every day, I get a call about one or more "vital" telecom lines that have dropped.
The customers that I service are given a single, anemic line running through an overtasked proxy server connected to an abominal firewall mapped with infuriating rules. I am not talking about a single base either either. It seems that most bases are this way. The backbones are generally good, if you happen to work at a base with a NIPRNET/SIPRNET gateway router. If you work at a smaller base, you will understand the constant plague of IDNX system reroutes and satalites that "just dissappear" for hours.
And how do the customers react when they cannot access afpubs.af.mil? Do they use an alternate system? Is their 80% redundancy there? No, it isn't.
The customer gets screwed and no one cares. NO ONE! Why? Because the motto of DISA is "Hey, what choice do you have?" Meanwhile, me and my co-workers dry out "wet cable", querry call paths, and wait for FedEx to bring in replacement line drivers.
Sorry for the rant, I'm just wondering where the 80% redundancy is. I have been in for a while, and I have never seen it.
Well, for starters, I think the beauty of GNOME is that there are 30+ packages. During the build, it is easier to troubleshoot one failure in 5 or 6 packages than to troubleshoot 6 failures in one package. Also, from what I've seen, most of the dependencies are part of a standard install anyway.
As for uninstall try setting:
"alias gcfg=./configure prefix=/opt/gnome_beta"
then do:
gcfg && make && make install
for all the packages you need. If you want to uninstall, just delete the gnome_beta directory.
You can also do a make uninstall on most packages to remove them. Or even boot off a floppy and tar your system to another disk before trying gnome2. If you don't like it, just do an untar and you are back where you started.
Who is goint to sue $Big_Comp if they reuse your code? You? Not likely. The FSF? Maybe.
/. with mangled facts and links that are 502. The community would rally, for an hour or so. Then they would be onto the next big thing.
No, more than likely, you'd get a misspelled writeup on
A few months would go by and you would see a 3 line summary about how $Big_Comp killed you with 50 lawyers and some purchaced politicians.
While it is nice to think that in 50 years we will all have flying, hydrogen-powered cars, you must attempt to preserve the resources you KNOW to be valueable.
I, for one, think the policy of dependance on foreign oil is a good thing. One day, oil will run low. Would you rather be asking for foreign oil now, or in 30~50 years? It may seem harsh, but at that time, we can tell OPEC to kiss our asses and leave the Middle East to the religous zealots.
More of a license to your copyrighted material. I'm guessing that exposure of said copyrighted material to a third party is grounds for termination of beforementioned license.
I wonder how thoes licences will transfer? Sure, you can buy the studio for a few million, but then having to re-purchace Maya would double the cost.
I haven't tuned in as of yet (just woke up at work and cannot find the power supply for my speakers), but it seems to me that they would be reading the algorithym, not the code.
Reading the code symbol for symbol would seem to me to be slightly, well, geeky. But not in that good way.
On a side note, has anyone thought about calling Guiness ( the records guys, not the beer guys) for a note in The Book? This has to be the longest online reading ever.
On second thought, call the beer guys too. It might be harder to understand, but it would be a hellava lot more fun. And I can always get the written transcripts later:)
begin Kris Herzog quotation:
> I know I may have said some harsh things on the Tron list, but I'd
> actually like to put all that aside, and personally thank you, as
> you've given me an idea to write an article about the larger
> picture.
>
> Basically, I'm trying to patch together ideas into an article that
> addresses the issues that we all have recently suffered through.
>
> So I'll ask you the same questions that I have of others, and I'd
> appreciate your complete honesty and I will promise that I will NOT
> turn this into a personal attack on you. This was never my
> intention.
Thank you for taking the time to approach me and hear me out.
I'll try to explain my side of things as best I can, here.
> So here we go:
>
> "In the particular example I am using, someone who was exploiting a
> Microsoft Outlook bug by modifying his X-Headers to cause his
> messages to be read as attachments on a mailing list.
As a matter of fact, that's factually incorrect. While it's
true that my headers do have some doozies, they're mostly innocuous.
The worst one probably is the X-WebTV-STationery, which sets my text
to black-on-black for anyone reading with a WebTV. WebTVs are pretty
rare nowadays, but that's easily overridden I'm told. The +++ath bug
only affects your ISP's modems (which are NOT likely to have the
hangup flaw), and it's formatted wrong anyway. That one's more of a
troll.
No, the attachment bug is far more subtle than that. It
doesn't happen based on headers, which are rightfully the section of
an e-mail that mail readers are SUPPOSED to process. Instead, the bug
is that any message that has the word "begin" at the beginning of a
line will be treated as a garbled attachment from that point on.
It's a horrible bug in Outlook, though not one that appears
when an exchange server is used (I can explain why later if you like).
Microsoft has not even acknowledged it as a bug, and apparently recent
versions of Outlook Express have had features REMOVED that once let
the user read the mails anyway. It used to be that the user could
select some sort of "view source" option and view the message
unprocessed. I'm told that this no longer works.
My other two headers are mostly annoyances. I set a Reply-By
that flags my messages as red, and my X-Message-Flag pretends that the
reason they can't read my mail is because of some censorship software
somewhere blocking my message from their eyes.
Even if I were to remove all of the custom headers from my
messages, the simple fact is that my ordinary internet-standard
plain-text messages will still cause this problem. In fact, the
problem was discovered *accidentally*, when Bruce Sterling distributed
a document via e-mail that had the word "begin" appear at the start of
a line in the middle of one of his paragraphs.
> Another example is a mailing list that will reject any mail from
> Windows-based clients.
Yes. It's true that I run a mailing list that does not allow
posting from Windows users. Many people complain about this, but in
my mind I see it as no different than a restaurant or dance hall
having a dress code. It raises the bar for entry to the list, and
ensures that users really want to be there.
There are two ways, actually, that one can meet the
crackmonkey mailing list dress code. One is to simply use Free
Software, and not use a mailer that requires you to accept a license
that makes you promise not to share with your friends. Another is to
continue to use your Windows-based mailer, but hack the headers of
your message so as not to betray your use of the software.
Both methods demonstrate an effort made to post to the list,
as well as a certain degree of technical acumen. Our IRC channel on
slashnet.org has the same sort of dress code: You can use a
non-Windows IRC client, or you can fake your version information.
> This caused problems for many people using Microsoft products, and
> as such, I'm trying to gain perspectives from both the
> Microsoft/Non-Microsoft sides to help describe the situation of
> people who believe in open-source to the point of zealotry, and how
> this can be addressed in the modern 'free society' of the Internet
> and the spirit of "Open Source" in the fact that it supports a
> non-discriminatory feeling and policy. And how some people have
> taken the battle to new level with this kind of behavior."
First of all, I am not a member of the Open Source movement.
They seem only interested in how you can make money from free
software. I am actually (believe it or not) more concerned with the
ethical and moral issues involved in the subjugation of human beings
through restrictive copyright and patent law. I consider myself a
member of the Free Software movement.
Many people have somehow drawn the premature conclusion that
the reason I do this is because of some sort of ideological zealotry.
What I do with my e-mails was certainly informed by my technical
experience with free software, but it is not done out of a desire to
change anyone.
Many people have also mistakenly joined the open source/free
software cause with the anti-microsoft cause. This is foolhardy,
since there are many proprietary programs for GNU/Linux and BSD whose
licenses are just as antisocial as any Windows license. You'll note
that there are a lot of proprietary programs that don't suffer the
flaws of Outlook Express, and they can read my messages just fine.
Don't you think that if I were doing this out of some sort of free
software zealotry, I'd break ALL proprietary mailers?
Also, there is the mistaken impression that I am somehow
discriminating against a whole class of people by writing e-mail that
Outlook refuses to read. I see this as a curious by-product of
American culture, whereby your consumer tastes somehow create a
ready-made cultural identity for you. There are a great many FREELY
AVAILABLE mailers (for Windows, even) that are capable of reading
plain-text messages. You yourself are using Eudora, which is just
such a program!
> "Would you view behavior like this as a detriment to the open source
> movement as a whole?"
[...]
> Honestly, I'd like to hear your side to this, the reasons why you
> feel the way you do, and why you chose to follow the path you have.
I've been using Unix-based mailers for well over a decade.
I've been mailed countless illegible attachments from Windows users
over the past ten years. It's immature of me, I know, but to some
degree turnabout is fair play.
I don't do it to win people over (and yes, it definitely
generates a lot of ill-will for free software among those who
mistakenly associate it with the cause), although I have seen many
people for whom this was the straw that broke the dromedary's back.
If people think my messages are worth reading, then they will (like
the dedicated posters to the crackmonkey mailing list) adjust their
computing environment to accomodate.
The folks using Outlook Express have locked themselves into a
limited subset of the information that can flow over the Internet, and
are blaming me personally for not limiting my transmissions to that
outlook-centric subset. If I were to post all of my messages in
Russian, even fewer people on the Tron list would be able to
understand them; but would there then be an uproar demanding my
removal from the list?
--
INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION
01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter!
^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.)
...just appeared in the universe. When ttyquake was released, God cried at the absolute wrongness of it. But after this, he has torn the universe asunder. The only way to clense his creation of the horrible mistake is to purge all life from the Galaxy. Yea, even as it happened in the day of Moses, a great flood is being brought down upon us.
In related news, astrophysicists everywhere stood in amazement as the expanding universe slowed, stopped, and began to collapse back on itself.
Also of note, astronomers in the Northern Hemisphere were baffled by the apperance of a new constilation. The collection of never-before-seen stars actually spelled out a phrase. "1 0wn3d j00" could clearly be read in Hebrew.
If they start suing my video card's manufacturer and prevent me from using other such resources, not only is prior art going to be established and the patent is going to get thrown out
/. about lawsuits being filed agianst a company where prior art is blatently obvious. And remember that even a bogous lawsuit can crush a small buisness before the judge even has a chance to throw the lawsuit out.
Don't just blindly assume that the courts will handle this. How many other stories have we seen on
but they are going to lose my business as well as, I hope, yours.
If a company produces a good DVR-like product in competition with SB, you may think that taking your buisness to the competitor is the way to go. In fact, your video card company may have already licensed the tech from SB. Your money may be going to SB without your knowledge.
I hate to cast doubts any idea without at least trying to propose an answer. My theory is that sometime in the not too distant future, there will be a group of "Patent Terrorists" who will blacklist any company who carries products from companies like PR. Kinda like a 2010 version of "burning the bras".
Haven't you seen the PDA Screen Condoms? I always use protection. Even when I'm just using my stylus with my Palm...lol
It was a skit, but they got the idea from an actual company. I think it was called deathco or something.
I remember a company that would go to your house after you died. The basic concept was for them to be notified as soon as you died. They would go to your house and clean it up. They would remove all the "incriminating evidince" and even call up magazine companies to cancel subscriptions.
I tried to find a link, but a google search turned up nothing.
Well, there IS a .it domain. seems like you could have a lot of fun there. Any other pronoun TLDs out there?
.us.
BTW, what are the rules behind grabbing a domain in a country that isn't yours? It seems to me that if your physical server is outside of the USA, you should not be able to reg a
Of course, that opens up questions about load-balancing techniques and back-end servers, but my guess it that every porn site in the Cayman Islands will have a "cum.c.us" as soon as possible.
I know this is a little off topic, but I think the correct term is "Backhoe Fade". A quick search turned up an "official" government project .
BTW, the word "fade" is a throwback to the time when most longhaul communications was done using troposcatter microwave systems. Small atmospheric changes such as rain, volcanic dust, solar flares and sunspots would cause the Recieve Signal Level to drop. Ok, Ok, who am I kidding; those bastards would fade at dawn, dusk, mid-day, mid-night, summer and winter solstace, equinox, and any time someone stood too close to the radio. A guy I knew actually shot a radio once for excessive fade. He claimed it was an accident, but the investigator was clued in by the fact that there were 3 holes in the radio...
But dude, why read it? You already told us the ending...
I'm with you all the way Rob...I mean Jeff, yeah, that's it. Jeff.
Actually, I would liken it to a shop owner charging different prices based on skin color. Basicly, these people are telling us that they want nothing to do with Open Source. They sit in their leather-covered chairs behind their rosewood and mahogany desks and tell us that we are going to have to find another fountain to drink from.
Yeah, i thought that at first. But then I remembered that Aki is actually a fake anyway. And even though two wrongs don't nescessarily make a right, two fakes kinda make one real...or something like that.
I know that some companies have implemented filters to prevent "getting in touch with yourself" at work, but did these guys get this desperate?
Anyway, the story is that in order to get the clothes to work out right, they had to do this.
The penny thing seems like an urban legend to me. Doesn't a penny (or any object) reach a terminal velocity based on its weight and aerodynamics? I am thinking that a penny would reach terminal velocity after a few meters. I'm not saying it wouldn't hurt like hell, but I doubt it would penetrate the block of a Lincoln Town Car.
How many of these stories will we see when all of our Word documents are online?