I'd play this in a split second, if it weren't for the fact I'd need to upgrade the ol' PC. I play FFXI on PS2 now, and am growing quite tired of it. I wish they'd port WoW for PS2 and/or XBox.
Um...I wasn't being hostile to anbody. From my reply, I don't know where that's coming from. Just clearing up the fact I haven't been able to permanently switch anyone to Firefox. Let me also be clear on this: I wasn't smarting off to you, or anyone. Totally not my style to do so.
As I said elsewhere, I need to give FF a spin myself, so I can speak from experience on it.
I don't like the rating system here, since my original comment was rated to "flamebait", even though that was not my intention at all. It seems you can't offer a dissenting opinion on Firefox here on Slashdot.
Maybe I'll try Firefox sometime. At least then, I'd be speaking from experience with BOTH programs.
Regardless of your 'label the dissenter as a troll' tactic, I can assure you I have never used Firefox in my life. I was confusing in my earlier post... I should have said "I don't know anyone who has switched to Firefox PERMANENTLY". Let me try to explain myself a little better:
I'm simply saying that when I tell people about the concept/product of Firefox, they ask where to download it. I send them to the site, and they try it out for awhile. And then a week or so later, they ask me about the "one with the email and everything included."
Didn't mean to cause a problem. Just stating an opinion. My apologies.
Ok, fine then, analogy time. Lets say someone is shopping for a car. They are looking for something that is quick, small and simple. You are the car dealer. You keep suggesting SUVs and Minivans to this person...
I'll stop you right there. If they came in and told me they wanted quick and small and simple, I'd sell them a compact. Not an SUV. Bad salesman, bad analogy.
I had the mozilla suite before I had firefox. The suite was a pain because it had to run in the taskbar and just ate up memory. And if you didn't want it in the taskbar, it took forever to load up.
Mine doesn't. Mine does not run in the taskbar, and loads up quick as lightning. Sounds like a hardware problem to me.
I just don't understand why you can't understand that many people just want something small and quick for their browsing needs.
I do understand some people want a compact, when they could have an SUV. Let's try another analogy...equally flimsy.;) Who would opt for a compact car over an SUV, when BOTH ARE FREE?
From conversations with others, I also understand that they start asking me for "this extension" and "that extension", to do things that Firefox won't do right off the bat. They're like "...extension? OK, What else do I need to download for this crazy thing? Why doesn't it just WORK?"
How about the fact that there is no mention of the Mozilla broswer suite and that the guy makes it sound like he and his buddy single-handedly wrote the first versions of MoFirePhoenixBirdZilla from the original Netscape source.
Yeah, I noticed that, too. Quite disappointing. What gets me, is: All this rukkus about Firefox, and I've never used it once. Why? Because I use the more flexible Mozilla Suite instead. It does everything I need in a web browser, and more. Plus, it doesn't crash every 20 or so uses.
Despite the "brilliant marketing" behind the Firefox campaign, I have never been able to get anyone to switch to Firefox from IE. They say it looks to flimsy, and doesn't have email client with it. Also, what company would opt for the goofy Firefox brand, over the more mature Mozilla symbology? People tell me that Firefox "looks like some shady piece of Shareware", but Mozilla integrates seamlessly on desktops.
Don't want to use Mozilla Mail, because you like Outlook better? Then just don't use the built in mail client. Nothing says you have to use the Mail client to use the Mozilla browser.
I just don't understand why anyone would choose Firefox, once they've tried Mozilla Suite.
Why would you not just use the Mozilla Suite for your browser? You don't need to install 10 different extensions to Firefox to get your needed functionality... just use the Mozilla Suite. Don't want to use Mozilla Mail, because you like Outlook better? Then just don't use the built in mail client. Nothing says you have to use the Mail client to use the Mozilla browser.
I have never understood the idea of Firefox, because (IMO) it detracts from the combined beauty of the Mozilla Suite. People don't want 5 or 6 applications running on their computers, especially when 1 will fill the bill for them quite nicely.
What happens when half your neighbors have cordless phones in the 2.4 GHz band? Or worse, half of them have their OWN 802.11 b/g home networks, all competing for frequency and bandwidth with both yours and the ISP?
Don't the ISP's that use wireless 2.4 utilize frequency hopping, instead of simple ranges?
Available bandwidth/bitrate on wired connections is many times that of wireless.
See, I know that to be true, but I can tell no perceptible difference in my wired T1 at the office, and a wireless 1.54/512 that I use also. What the eye doesn't see, I don't miss. Or whatever.;)
Most people are still clueless and don't bother with SSL-encrypted mail.
I guess it depends on the vendor and/or technology solution you decide on (as an ISP). But aside from the inherient problems with 900MHz wireless broadband, I don't see how a 2.4GHz antenna on a house, talking to an AU on the ISP's tower location, can be accessed by someone that isn't authenticated on the ISP's network.
Maybe it's good that I don't know.
(waits for the inevitable semi-technical disinformation er, um, example)
I'd wager that if most people showed their boss this article, said boss would likely wonder why you're being paid to surf the Internet, instead of working.
Are you telling me you can really imagine raving football fanatics while in the middle of funneling kegs of beer and cleaning out Super-Size bags of potato chips watching a Mozilla commercial stop to say "Wow, look at that! We can block pop-ups when we're online and OOOOOOH! Tabbed browsing!"
Yes but "Regular" people watch the Superbowl, too. It's the shotgun approach to marketing.
AOL is shedding Mozilla. Yes, they've chipped in $2M to help run the foundation, but what happens in a few years when the Foundation has A) run out of money, and B) hasn't gotten any significant donations?
You're assuming they will pull out completely. Why would they even want to do that?
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Actually, I didn't consider that Warner Bros. connection. Good point.
"Batman Returns", eh? Hmmm.... (j/k)
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Buying your internet access alone from America Online is dubious enough in it's justification. But buying your music CD's from AOL? That's tantamount to clinical insanity.
It's strange...my wife used to sing the praises of Netscape when she used a Mac. Now that the place she works replaced her mac with an IBM clone, she's happy as heck with IE/Outlook. Go figure.
I just set up a seperate OS profile, and made myself comfortable. She's happy, I'm happy. It's the PC equivelant of having 2 TV's.:)
Since using Mozilla, I could care less about ads. Get yourself a big enough userContent.css file, and you feel like you're Superman online. What's the big deal about ads? Just a little graphic here and there, right?
UNTIL...
I got married, and briefly used IE again until I installed Moz1.4 on the wife's PC. Man, THIS must be what everybody's so mad about. The ads are EVERYWHERE these days. It's out of control.
I used to feel like it was stealing content, viewing websites and blocking ads, depriving them of revenue generation capability.
5) Makes you feel spams are useful for something: detecting future spams.
Man, I never thought I'd agree that spam is good for anything, but I do wholeheartedly agree. I actually enjoy watching it go through it's paces, moving and marking mail as spam. makes me feel as if I'm accomplishing something.
I also understand I possibly need to get out of the house more.
I've heard next to nothing about the woman who plays the Terminatrix. Was she convincing, or too over the top?
I know the part is a robot basically, but sorta makes you wonder how wooden Joanie Lauer's (Chyna) acting skills were. Or maybe it doesn't, if you're at all familiar with her WWF/WWE performances.
I remember thinking it was a good move to replace her with someone else.
Here's my sites measly percentage stats. Skewed in favor of Mozilla.
1. Mozilla 1.x 55.8 % 2. Internet Explorer 6.x 25.6 % 3. Internet Explorer 5.x 14.0 % 4. Netscape 7.x 4.7 %
Of course I just started it up, so 1/2 of that Mozilla is probably me and my template editor. Next time I check, It'll probably be dead.
Anyway, I use Mozilla at work, but I log ago gave up the futile effort of trying to convince some of the older people I work with that Mozilla is NOT some piece of "Shareware that my kids told me not to run". Whatever. I *do* occasionally convert someone in non-business circles to switch.
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I'd play this in a split second, if it weren't for the fact I'd need to upgrade the ol' PC. I play FFXI on PS2 now, and am growing quite tired of it. I wish they'd port WoW for PS2 and/or XBox.
As I said elsewhere, I need to give FF a spin myself, so I can speak from experience on it.
My bad.
OK. Forget everything I said. I'm wrong.
I don't like the rating system here, since my original comment was rated to "flamebait", even though that was not my intention at all. It seems you can't offer a dissenting opinion on Firefox here on Slashdot.
Maybe I'll try Firefox sometime. At least then, I'd be speaking from experience with BOTH programs.
Lesson learned.
Regardless of your 'label the dissenter as a troll' tactic, I can assure you I have never used Firefox in my life. I was confusing in my earlier post... I should have said "I don't know anyone who has switched to Firefox PERMANENTLY". Let me try to explain myself a little better:
I'm simply saying that when I tell people about the concept/product of Firefox, they ask where to download it. I send them to the site, and they try it out for awhile. And then a week or so later, they ask me about the "one with the email and everything included."
Didn't mean to cause a problem. Just stating an opinion. My apologies.
I'll stop you right there. If they came in and told me they wanted quick and small and simple, I'd sell them a compact. Not an SUV. Bad salesman, bad analogy.
I had the mozilla suite before I had firefox. The suite was a pain because it had to run in the taskbar and just ate up memory. And if you didn't want it in the taskbar, it took forever to load up.
Mine doesn't. Mine does not run in the taskbar, and loads up quick as lightning. Sounds like a hardware problem to me.
I just don't understand why you can't understand that many people just want something small and quick for their browsing needs.
I do understand some people want a compact, when they could have an SUV. Let's try another analogy...equally flimsy. ;) Who would opt for a compact car over an SUV, when BOTH ARE FREE?
From conversations with others, I also understand that they start asking me for "this extension" and "that extension", to do things that Firefox won't do right off the bat. They're like "...extension? OK, What else do I need to download for this crazy thing? Why doesn't it just WORK?"
Yeah, I noticed that, too. Quite disappointing. What gets me, is: All this rukkus about Firefox, and I've never used it once. Why? Because I use the more flexible Mozilla Suite instead. It does everything I need in a web browser, and more. Plus, it doesn't crash every 20 or so uses.
Despite the "brilliant marketing" behind the Firefox campaign, I have never been able to get anyone to switch to Firefox from IE. They say it looks to flimsy, and doesn't have email client with it. Also, what company would opt for the goofy Firefox brand, over the more mature Mozilla symbology? People tell me that Firefox "looks like some shady piece of Shareware", but Mozilla integrates seamlessly on desktops.
Don't want to use Mozilla Mail, because you like Outlook better? Then just don't use the built in mail client. Nothing says you have to use the Mail client to use the Mozilla browser.
I just don't understand why anyone would choose Firefox, once they've tried Mozilla Suite.
I have never understood the idea of Firefox, because (IMO) it detracts from the combined beauty of the Mozilla Suite. People don't want 5 or 6 applications running on their computers, especially when 1 will fill the bill for them quite nicely.
Don't the ISP's that use wireless 2.4 utilize frequency hopping, instead of simple ranges?
Available bandwidth/bitrate on wired connections is many times that of wireless.
See, I know that to be true, but I can tell no perceptible difference in my wired T1 at the office, and a wireless 1.54/512 that I use also. What the eye doesn't see, I don't miss. Or whatever. ;)
Most people are still clueless and don't bother with SSL-encrypted mail.
Agreed.
I guess it depends on the vendor and/or technology solution you decide on (as an ISP). But aside from the inherient problems with 900MHz wireless broadband, I don't see how a 2.4GHz antenna on a house, talking to an AU on the ISP's tower location, can be accessed by someone that isn't authenticated on the ISP's network.
Maybe it's good that I don't know.
(waits for the inevitable semi-technical disinformation er, um, example)
I'd wager that if most people showed their boss this article, said boss would likely wonder why you're being paid to surf the Internet, instead of working.
Didn't mean to sound bitchy.
I would have figured by 2003 that most people are running more than 32Mb. My bad.
Again with the "bloat"...I always hate this.
What the hell do people run on? 32Mb of RAM?
Where's the bloat?
Mozilla hates my cookies. NOT ANONYMOUS.
Jebus.
Yes but "Regular" people watch the Superbowl, too. It's the shotgun approach to marketing.
You're assuming they will pull out completely. Why would they even want to do that?
Actually, I didn't consider that Warner Bros. connection. Good point.
"Batman Returns", eh? Hmmm.... (j/k)
Buying your internet access alone from America Online is dubious enough in it's justification. But buying your music CD's from AOL? That's tantamount to clinical insanity.
It's strange...my wife used to sing the praises of Netscape when she used a Mac. Now that the place she works replaced her mac with an IBM clone, she's happy as heck with IE/Outlook. Go figure.
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I just set up a seperate OS profile, and made myself comfortable. She's happy, I'm happy. It's the PC equivelant of having 2 TV's.
And here I thought for sure this was going to be a parody.
Since using Mozilla, I could care less about ads. Get yourself a big enough userContent.css file, and you feel like you're Superman online. What's the big deal about ads? Just a little graphic here and there, right?
UNTIL...
I got married, and briefly used IE again until I installed Moz1.4 on the wife's PC. Man, THIS must be what everybody's so mad about. The ads are EVERYWHERE these days. It's out of control.
I used to feel like it was stealing content, viewing websites and blocking ads, depriving them of revenue generation capability.
But then I woke up.
Man, I never thought I'd agree that spam is good for anything, but I do wholeheartedly agree. I actually enjoy watching it go through it's paces, moving and marking mail as spam. makes me feel as if I'm accomplishing something.
I also understand I possibly need to get out of the house more.
I've heard next to nothing about the woman who plays the Terminatrix. Was she convincing, or too over the top?
I know the part is a robot basically, but sorta makes you wonder how wooden Joanie Lauer's (Chyna) acting skills were. Or maybe it doesn't, if you're at all familiar with her WWF/WWE performances.
I remember thinking it was a good move to replace her with someone else.
Here's my sites measly percentage stats. Skewed in favor of Mozilla.
1. Mozilla 1.x 55.8 %
2. Internet Explorer 6.x 25.6 %
3. Internet Explorer 5.x 14.0 %
4. Netscape 7.x 4.7 %
Of course I just started it up, so 1/2 of that Mozilla is probably me and my template editor. Next time I check, It'll probably be dead.
Anyway, I use Mozilla at work, but I log ago gave up the futile effort of trying to convince some of the older people I work with that Mozilla is NOT some piece of "Shareware that my kids told me not to run". Whatever. I *do* occasionally convert someone in non-business circles to switch.