Well, I guess it had to happen evetually. With all the problems the economy has been having. I'd be willing to shell out a few $ to keep the adds out of my face.
I'm also in agreement about a word filter. Somtimes the AC's actually have something good to say. But if I could restrict certain messages based on content that would be nice.
It makes me wonder why email and internet communications have no privacy like we have for phone and snail mail. I can make a phone call and unless there is a court order the FBI cannot listen in. This also applies to snail mail. So why don't we have this right when it comes to email.
I think they are targeting PGP since they are still upset over the fact they didn't get their "backdoor" when they wanted it before. Also they lost the battle over it. So there is probably still some unhappy people in the FBI who would love to give PGP a bad reputation.
If it were possible to monitor and record all phone calls made in the US that have certain keywords said would they be able to do it? According to the current law...NO. So why can they do this on the internet?
If in fact tools such as PGP are used by terrorists, how do governments protect against this?
I think they must come up with better ways of finding terrorists than looking through everyones email, or listening to everyones phone calls. In reality if it wasn't for the fact that computers can parse and match words very fast the government wouldn't even bother. Since there is no way they could possibly listen to millions of phone calls a day they don't try. Who is to say that they are even using email? I can still write anything I want on paper and for some change can send it anywhere in the country. Although not as fast no one will open it and read it. PGP just keeps the government from mass looking for keywords in email and other internet traffic. Why should they have the right to do something just because it is possible? I agree that terrorism is a problem, but by putting a backdoor in legitimate software does not stop them from hiring someone to create illegal software that will do the same thing. Might not be as good, but by the time someone figures it out it would probably be too late.
I don't use pgp allot, but if I wish to send information to a friend it is nice to know I can make it private if I want. Its not that I NEED pgp everyday, but I want the choice. Same as I want a choice of whether I want to buy a gun to protect my home. I don't own a gun, but I would like to have that choice. If we don't protect the rights we have, even if we are not using them, they will take them away.
What can you do when, like him, you're misquoted in by a journalist?
I do believe if they put it in quotes its slander. Even so if Mr Zimmermann wanted to he could write them and inform them of their "error" and by law they would have to print a article stating that they messed up.
First off from his statement he doesn't sound like its worth pursuing. Also the papers tend to put corrections in the most unoticable spots in the paper. The correction would never make front page.
I like the fact he seems level headed about it and not raging...as I would be.
Although I don't use pgp on a daily basis I do occasionally use it and wish that more businesses supported it for use in email. I would much rather encrypt personal information being sent to a company but they don't support it.
Is there any plans for improving pgp's ability to incorporate itself into email programs and other forms of internet communications that will make it easier for companies and end users to use?
It seems to me that birds don't just "flap" their wings up and down. They use them similar to the way a rowing a boat is...when a birds wings are moving down they are spred out to give them more lift...when they bring them back up the tilt them so there is less air being caught on their wings. If you ever watch the specials on hummingbirds when they slow them down you can see the difference in the way they move thier wings up and down.
I don't think it will work if they haven't came up with a way of reducing resistance on the up stroke...
I have the RT314, which had 4 ports on it. I had it for about a month and the router portion of it went bad. Since lots of hardware dies in the first month this wasn't a big concern. So I called netgear to get it replaced.
2 phone calls later, after talking to people who are not that good at speaking english, I was told I would get a call from a level 2 tech and they couldn't rma it. A week later after placing a problem on thier web site I finally got a response. Now whenever the mail/ups/fedex get to start flying again I might get a new one.
The box worked great and I had no problems with it. But if you have a problem their support lacks greatly in speed. The people you first talk to are not that technical. Their solution is reload the firmware...that should fix everything. After explaining the fact that it wasn't working they still were insisting that it wasn't broken. Now I may not be a expert, but after 5 years of being a sys admin for a small company I have learned how to tell when something is broken and dislike being told that I am wrong no matter how politely it is done.
So if you are going to get a netgear box just remember that the support sucks.
Well, concidering that where I live the state has all but removed the ability to punish children in any way but "time out", which does not always work for all children. So it stands to reason as the children get more and more out of control that they implement a way of making the parent responsible for where their kids are.
Instead of getting software to track the children, why not have the parents take the kids to school themselves or ride the bus. Since once the child gets on the bus or walks into the school it then becomes the responsibility of the school to keep up with the child.
Not that what I say really matters, but I don't want to have to keep tabs on my kid all day while I'm trying to work. That is what the school is there for, to teach and keep up with the kids they are responsible for. Concidering it takes me 45 min to drive to the school from work that would be a long way to go if I have to remain responsible for my daughters whereabouts while she is supposed to be in school.
You know it still amazes me that this is even an issue. It would be like me procecuting a hand for turning a key in a lock...when the key hangs right next to the lock.
since the point of encryption is to prevent unauthorised people from getting the content of the encrypted item. Why Oh Why woud you put the key with the encrypted file? There is no security whatsoever when you give someone everything they need to get to the encrypted item.
From the first time I heard about this I figured the whole encryption scheem was a racket to collect fee's from companies that wished to make a dvd movie player. I could still copy the movie...I could image the movie. I can't watch dvd's on my tv by the computer since it doesn't have a video in. My vcr does, but due to regulation and the copy protection I can't view a dvd I paid for on my tv. So far all I've seen is a lame attempt at controlling my veiwing of something I paid for the right to watch.
Besides, if they are trying to protect their copyright, why do I have to pay them twice for the same thing if I have it on vhs and dvd? Its the same movie, its just a different way of storing it. Sill if I want to have a movie on dvd it cost the same as if I didn't have the vhs version. Maybe if they stopped ripping everyone off all the time people would feel the need to rip them off as much. I in no way imply that stealing is right. But it is a fact of life that the higher the price the less will be sold. And if there is a way of someone getting the high priced items for free, they will.
Ok, well lets look at this from another perspective. Why does a movie have to be art? What about the garbage that floods my tv all the time that I don't watch because it is pointless, bad attempts at humor that lacks in any real form of imagination? I could see some movies as art, but for every good movie there are 50 crappy ones. I think for programming this is about the same. For every good program there are allot of bad ones. To me my work is just as important as thiers. And if you ask M$ about it they would agree that software (at least thiers) is more valuable than the movies.
What if we took all these major legal battles and threw them together and see what came up. I'm sure that M$ could put up just as many arguments as the movie industry that their software deserves more protection than their movies. Since their movies start in a theater that you cannot get a digital copy from. While thier software is reproducable from day one. Not to mention smaller and easier to transport across the internet.
"Beauty is in the eye of the Beholder" What is art to me might not be art for you. And the reverse is the same. Is my programming art? I think so, but others might not. Does it really matter?
Go to the "business software alliance"'s home page and start reading. I bet it won't take that long and you should feel properly concerned.
From what I see M$ treats the computer world as communist and they are the rullers. All are guilty unless they prove themselves otherwise or give M$ lots of money. And no M$ is not the only company in the BSA, but they use it as a goon squad.
Its a shame that in america that a company can use the system to reverse the constitution from "innocent until proven guilty" to "guilty
because there is no innocent".
So lets say there is a linux/bsd shop that has 500 servers and 1000 workstations. The M$ goon squad shows up with a warrant since they buy "naked" pc's. Now they have to go through all the crap of someone searching all their machines since their automated system shows nothing they check each machine by hand. Overall this cost a company that has no M$ software lots of money. And the only way to get it back is to sue M$.
Only if your going to do it from a free email account. Hotmail comes to mind. I'd bet anyone emailing this address gets put on the "needs to be checked out" list.
Yes...but linux is not in it for the money. Why do I care if linux has a market share? Wouldn't it be more important to be concerned with the stability of the os...and the lack of a company looking over your sholder asking to see your license again?
And, in particular, how will they change my life and/or the way I use mail?
Why it will complicate it, cause you stress and worry since someone is bound to break it allong the way missinterpreting this.
I think its good the change the standards occasionally, and if it was well thought out and designed it will probably be a benifit to us all eventually. Once I have a chance to read them over I'll figure out if I'll even care...
Adapting to your natural surrondings is the sign of a insane geek gone past carring.
Actually, I think it was the fact that it worked well and for so long that it was left alone. Since any email server could send mail to any other email server since all were complient then email was easy and worked. Why mess it up?
Of course this new one will most likely cause some problems with new servers that don't follow directions correctly...
and if I gave you a gun and you shot someone would I be guilty?
Maybe, In this instance I would agree that the US is partially to blame. Since they know that Israel is fighting the Arabs.
Now if Isreal was wasn't fighting with anyone and we were giving them weapons and they started killing after the fact then it wouldn't be the US's fault.
But to say Arabs are peacfull non-violent people would be a joke. Some might be, but there is allot of violence there, and worse is that while we publicly deny acceptance of it, but watch it on tv and play it in games, the Arab nations accept the violence as acceptable. While at the same time saying they are not violent.
If you make murder acceptable does it make it right? Because its accepted does that keep you from being a murderer when you kill someone? Only durring war does this seem to apply, and only for killing other soldiers. Not that it makes it right.
This is a violent world we live in, and all countries have their own share of violence and hatred.
It's just far simpler to point the finger of blame at others
I think you are missing the key factor here....GREED!
They are not sueing the game companies because they needed a place to blame. If they just wanted to place blame there are the parents. But the parents probably can't be taken for obsene ammounts of money. So they are after people with money, and companies usually have some money.
If you want to depress yourself just figure that they are not doing this for any other reason than to make $$$ off an game company that had no real choice in wheather this mentally ill individual played their games or not. No one wants to be the trigger that sets off some mental case. But even Ozzy delt with that.
For every one individual that does something terrible and the blame gets dropped on something very public and visible, there are millions out there who have enjoyed the same thing without doing anything terrible because of it.
Right after the incident many long years ago, when "Top Secret" was blamed for some kid blowing away a store clerk, me and freinds went and got "Top Secret" and played it. To be honest, it didn't live up to the hype.
It isn't blame anymore...its who can pay out the most.
Are you trying to say that in "Muslim" countries there is less sexual and/or violent crimes than in other parts of the world?
Actually I think that violence in these countries are more than here, they are just approved of by the govt and people. You can beat your wife, just do it at home out of site. Also where do you think most of the terrorists come from, these nice non-violent "muslim" nations. I think its a matter of perspective. We seem to have more violence since violence in most forms are concidered wrong. Where in "muslim" countries might seem less violent due to the fact they have more "accepted" violence. It happens, it just isn't news because everyone believes its ok.
Create one standard and compare it to all and I think most of the rest of the world is in the same boat we are in.
Now if the game companies were smart they would sue the parents for allowing their mentally disturbed child to play thier game. And as a consequence of this it has harmed the companies reputation with other parents. Sue for double what the parents are sueing for.
Lets put the blame where it belongs, on the mentally screwed up individual. I myself have played and enjoyed many explicite violent games, and although my sanity is questionable I have yet to kill anyone. I don't even own a gun. One of my favorites games being carmageddon, you get to run over people and watch them splatter, and althougth the thought is sometimes nice, I have yet to go running people over. By sueing these companies making really nice software to relieve my stress, the companies could go out of business or they will raise their game prices. Either way everyone looses because of a lack of parental supervision. Sue the parents of the kids who did it....
....OH MY!!! They don't have enough money, ok lets find any company that the child came in contact with and see who has the most money and which one of them we can get the most out of and have a chance at winning.
This is another shining star of human ignorance, and greed. Why not go for the bands they listened to? If I remember correctly they weren't rich (or that popular) either, so the only people with money they have a chance of winning against is game makers. Why not the makers of the guns they used...but a gun doesn't kill, people do.
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Well, I guess it had to happen evetually. With all the problems the economy has been having. I'd be willing to shell out a few $ to keep the adds out of my face.
I'm also in agreement about a word filter. Somtimes the AC's actually have something good to say. But if I could restrict certain messages based on content that would be nice.
More tits, or more plot?
I think he ment both....
...of course I didn't think it was too bad, but I'm easy to please.
It makes me wonder why email and internet communications have no privacy like we have for phone and snail mail. I can make a phone call and unless there is a court order the FBI cannot listen in. This also applies to snail mail. So why don't we have this right when it comes to email.
I think they are targeting PGP since they are still upset over the fact they didn't get their "backdoor" when they wanted it before. Also they lost the battle over it. So there is probably still some unhappy people in the FBI who would love to give PGP a bad reputation.
If it were possible to monitor and record all phone calls made in the US that have certain keywords said would they be able to do it? According to the current law...NO. So why can they do this on the internet?
That sucks. But here in the us kids would send out massive amounds of garbage emails just to waste the time and money of the court system.
If in fact tools such as PGP are used by terrorists, how do governments protect against this?
I think they must come up with better ways of finding terrorists than looking through everyones email, or listening to everyones phone calls. In reality if it wasn't for the fact that computers can parse and match words very fast the government wouldn't even bother. Since there is no way they could possibly listen to millions of phone calls a day they don't try. Who is to say that they are even using email? I can still write anything I want on paper and for some change can send it anywhere in the country. Although not as fast no one will open it and read it. PGP just keeps the government from mass looking for keywords in email and other internet traffic. Why should they have the right to do something just because it is possible? I agree that terrorism is a problem, but by putting a backdoor in legitimate software does not stop them from hiring someone to create illegal software that will do the same thing. Might not be as good, but by the time someone figures it out it would probably be too late.
I don't use pgp allot, but if I wish to send information to a friend it is nice to know I can make it private if I want. Its not that I NEED pgp everyday, but I want the choice. Same as I want a choice of whether I want to buy a gun to protect my home. I don't own a gun, but I would like to have that choice. If we don't protect the rights we have, even if we are not using them, they will take them away.
What can you do when, like him, you're misquoted in by a journalist?
I do believe if they put it in quotes its slander. Even so if Mr Zimmermann wanted to he could write them and inform them of their "error" and by law they would have to print a article stating that they messed up.
First off from his statement he doesn't sound like its worth pursuing. Also the papers tend to put corrections in the most unoticable spots in the paper. The correction would never make front page.
I like the fact he seems level headed about it and not raging...as I would be.
Actually it looks like allot of garbage. Its not whether or not they can tell its encrypted or not it the fact we have the choice.
Although I don't use pgp on a daily basis I do occasionally use it and wish that more businesses supported it for use in email. I would much rather encrypt personal information being sent to a company but they don't support it.
Is there any plans for improving pgp's ability to incorporate itself into email programs and other forms of internet communications that will make it easier for companies and end users to use?
If they would hurry up and figure out how to make a transporter we wouldn't need to fly...
...except for the fun of it.
It seems to me that birds don't just "flap" their wings up and down. They use them similar to the way a rowing a boat is...when a birds wings are moving down they are spred out to give them more lift...when they bring them back up the tilt them so there is less air being caught on their wings. If you ever watch the specials on hummingbirds when they slow them down you can see the difference in the way they move thier wings up and down.
I don't think it will work if they haven't came up with a way of reducing resistance on the up stroke...
I have the RT314, which had 4 ports on it. I had it for about a month and the router portion of it went bad. Since lots of hardware dies in the first month this wasn't a big concern. So I called netgear to get it replaced.
2 phone calls later, after talking to people who are not that good at speaking english, I was told I would get a call from a level 2 tech and they couldn't rma it. A week later after placing a problem on thier web site I finally got a response. Now whenever the mail/ups/fedex get to start flying again I might get a new one.
The box worked great and I had no problems with it. But if you have a problem their support lacks greatly in speed. The people you first talk to are not that technical. Their solution is reload the firmware...that should fix everything. After explaining the fact that it wasn't working they still were insisting that it wasn't broken. Now I may not be a expert, but after 5 years of being a sys admin for a small company I have learned how to tell when something is broken and dislike being told that I am wrong no matter how politely it is done.
So if you are going to get a netgear box just remember that the support sucks.
Well, concidering that where I live the state has all but removed the ability to punish children in any way but "time out", which does not always work for all children. So it stands to reason as the children get more and more out of control that they implement a way of making the parent responsible for where their kids are.
Instead of getting software to track the children, why not have the parents take the kids to school themselves or ride the bus. Since once the child gets on the bus or walks into the school it then becomes the responsibility of the school to keep up with the child.
Not that what I say really matters, but I don't want to have to keep tabs on my kid all day while I'm trying to work. That is what the school is there for, to teach and keep up with the kids they are responsible for. Concidering it takes me 45 min to drive to the school from work that would be a long way to go if I have to remain responsible for my daughters whereabouts while she is supposed to be in school.
You know it still amazes me that this is even an issue. It would be like me procecuting a hand for turning a key in a lock...when the key hangs right next to the lock.
since the point of encryption is to prevent unauthorised people from getting the content of the encrypted item. Why Oh Why woud you put the key with the encrypted file? There is no security whatsoever when you give someone everything they need to get to the encrypted item.
From the first time I heard about this I figured the whole encryption scheem was a racket to collect fee's from companies that wished to make a dvd movie player. I could still copy the movie...I could image the movie. I can't watch dvd's on my tv by the computer since it doesn't have a video in. My vcr does, but due to regulation and the copy protection I can't view a dvd I paid for on my tv. So far all I've seen is a lame attempt at controlling my veiwing of something I paid for the right to watch.
Besides, if they are trying to protect their copyright, why do I have to pay them twice for the same thing if I have it on vhs and dvd? Its the same movie, its just a different way of storing it. Sill if I want to have a movie on dvd it cost the same as if I didn't have the vhs version. Maybe if they stopped ripping everyone off all the time people would feel the need to rip them off as much. I in no way imply that stealing is right. But it is a fact of life that the higher the price the less will be sold. And if there is a way of someone getting the high priced items for free, they will.
Ok, well lets look at this from another perspective. Why does a movie have to be art? What about the garbage that floods my tv all the time that I don't watch because it is pointless, bad attempts at humor that lacks in any real form of imagination? I could see some movies as art, but for every good movie there are 50 crappy ones. I think for programming this is about the same. For every good program there are allot of bad ones. To me my work is just as important as thiers. And if you ask M$ about it they would agree that software (at least thiers) is more valuable than the movies.
What if we took all these major legal battles and threw them together and see what came up. I'm sure that M$ could put up just as many arguments as the movie industry that their software deserves more protection than their movies. Since their movies start in a theater that you cannot get a digital copy from. While thier software is reproducable from day one. Not to mention smaller and easier to transport across the internet.
"Beauty is in the eye of the Beholder" What is art to me might not be art for you. And the reverse is the same. Is my programming art? I think so, but others might not. Does it really matter?
Go to the "business software alliance"'s home page and start reading. I bet it won't take that long and you should feel properly concerned.
From what I see M$ treats the computer world as communist and they are the rullers. All are guilty unless they prove themselves otherwise or give M$ lots of money. And no M$ is not the only company in the BSA, but they use it as a goon squad.
Its a shame that in america that a company can use the system to reverse the constitution from "innocent until proven guilty" to "guilty
because there is no innocent".
So lets say there is a linux/bsd shop that has 500 servers and 1000 workstations. The M$ goon squad shows up with a warrant since they buy "naked" pc's. Now they have to go through all the crap of someone searching all their machines since their automated system shows nothing they check each machine by hand. Overall this cost a company that has no M$ software lots of money. And the only way to get it back is to sue M$.
Something has to be very wrong with this.
Only if your going to do it from a free email account. Hotmail comes to mind. I'd bet anyone emailing this address gets put on the "needs to be checked out" list.
Yes...but linux is not in it for the money. Why do I care if linux has a market share? Wouldn't it be more important to be concerned with the stability of the os...and the lack of a company looking over your sholder asking to see your license again?
A "Fast Cook & Grill Combo and Travel Chair"?
Sounds to me like they are giving you survival tools for when your customers you screwed over come looking for you.
I'd think they would add a few maps and a book on wilderness survival.
And, in particular, how will they change my life and/or the way I use mail?
Why it will complicate it, cause you stress and worry since someone is bound to break it allong the way missinterpreting this.
I think its good the change the standards occasionally, and if it was well thought out and designed it will probably be a benifit to us all eventually. Once I have a chance to read them over I'll figure out if I'll even care...
Adapting to your natural surrondings is the sign of a insane geek gone past carring.
Actually, I think it was the fact that it worked well and for so long that it was left alone. Since any email server could send mail to any other email server since all were complient then email was easy and worked. Why mess it up?
Of course this new one will most likely cause some problems with new servers that don't follow directions correctly...
and if I gave you a gun and you shot someone would I be guilty?
Maybe, In this instance I would agree that the US is partially to blame. Since they know that Israel is fighting the Arabs.
Now if Isreal was wasn't fighting with anyone and we were giving them weapons and they started killing after the fact then it wouldn't be the US's fault.
But to say Arabs are peacfull non-violent people would be a joke. Some might be, but there is allot of violence there, and worse is that while we publicly deny acceptance of it, but watch it on tv and play it in games, the Arab nations accept the violence as acceptable. While at the same time saying they are not violent.
If you make murder acceptable does it make it right? Because its accepted does that keep you from being a murderer when you kill someone? Only durring war does this seem to apply, and only for killing other soldiers. Not that it makes it right.
This is a violent world we live in, and all countries have their own share of violence and hatred.
It's just far simpler to point the finger of blame at others
I think you are missing the key factor here....GREED!
They are not sueing the game companies because they needed a place to blame. If they just wanted to place blame there are the parents. But the parents probably can't be taken for obsene ammounts of money. So they are after people with money, and companies usually have some money.
If you want to depress yourself just figure that they are not doing this for any other reason than to make $$$ off an game company that had no real choice in wheather this mentally ill individual played their games or not. No one wants to be the trigger that sets off some mental case. But even Ozzy delt with that.
For every one individual that does something terrible and the blame gets dropped on something very public and visible, there are millions out there who have enjoyed the same thing without doing anything terrible because of it.
Right after the incident many long years ago, when "Top Secret" was blamed for some kid blowing away a store clerk, me and freinds went and got "Top Secret" and played it. To be honest, it didn't live up to the hype.
It isn't blame anymore...its who can pay out the most.
"Generally, I'm 100 percent on the side of the First Amendment"
"Except when it involves large sums of money for myself.
Are you trying to say that in "Muslim" countries there is less sexual and/or violent crimes than in other parts of the world?
Actually I think that violence in these countries are more than here, they are just approved of by the govt and people. You can beat your wife, just do it at home out of site. Also where do you think most of the terrorists come from, these nice non-violent "muslim" nations. I think its a matter of perspective. We seem to have more violence since violence in most forms are concidered wrong. Where in "muslim" countries might seem less violent due to the fact they have more "accepted" violence. It happens, it just isn't news because everyone believes its ok.
Create one standard and compare it to all and I think most of the rest of the world is in the same boat we are in.
Now if the game companies were smart they would sue the parents for allowing their mentally disturbed child to play thier game. And as a consequence of this it has harmed the companies reputation with other parents. Sue for double what the parents are sueing for.
Lets put the blame where it belongs, on the mentally screwed up individual. I myself have played and enjoyed many explicite violent games, and although my sanity is questionable I have yet to kill anyone. I don't even own a gun. One of my favorites games being carmageddon, you get to run over people and watch them splatter, and althougth the thought is sometimes nice, I have yet to go running people over. By sueing these companies making really nice software to relieve my stress, the companies could go out of business or they will raise their game prices. Either way everyone looses because of a lack of parental supervision. Sue the parents of the kids who did it....
....OH MY!!! They don't have enough money, ok lets find any company that the child came in contact with and see who has the most money and which one of them we can get the most out of and have a chance at winning.
This is another shining star of human ignorance, and greed. Why not go for the bands they listened to? If I remember correctly they weren't rich (or that popular) either, so the only people with money they have a chance of winning against is game makers. Why not the makers of the guns they used...but a gun doesn't kill, people do.
This is sad.