Shhhh, it is in style to bash GNOME and KDE because they are here for choice. Unfortunately, lot of users get confused and worried when offered a choice. So they try to get rid of it bashing Linux desktop because it confuses them by choice.
In fact, that is why I like Ubuntu and Kubuntu and how common users react to them, because they are like different flavors. When user uses them, he don't get confused, because there are one desktop env. to deal with, one mail app (Evo/KMail), etc. Of course, when they discover that they can expand their desktop much more with few clicks or lines in console, they are truly thrilled. But first, provide minimal to avoid confusion.
But yes, Windows is a mess when we are talking about GUI consistency. However, even as Linux advocate as I am, I can hardly blame Microsoft. Yes, they could/should have provided some strong GUI guidelines, they have experts for that. But even then I really doubt that developers would have followed them.
First, I don't have opinion about Reisers. I don't have all details. If he will get and win appeal, fine. If he won't, well, that sucks, but if you act strange when being suspect or actually have done crime, you have to expect it. Yes, for some time I was worried about connection between Reisers and it's nicknamed filesystem, however, I don't care about that much now, because if there was damage, it is already done. So, let's move on.
Second, OLPC is good project and will continue to be in my eyes, I think lot of people did a terrific job. What worries me (again) is Negroponte's slacky attitude to PR stuff. You can't tell all that kind of speculations. Ok, he thinks Microsoft does good job with providing port of XP to XO. Nice. I have no problem with that. But speculate without any concrete details about what and when XP could replace Linux as base of XO, and how Sugar will be ported to it - it was _bound_ to create speculation and confusion, even anger between contributor's base. Because it is without any basis, just because NN thinks that no one buys XOs that don't run Windows (thanks to coordinated efforts of Intel and Microsoft). Of course it is close to bullshit, and that is reason why everone is worried about it. How would you feel that you have worked for something like three years and suddenly head of organisation says, well, we will trash it and will work for another three years just because another head of different organisation is nice fella and friend of mine and he said he will help me. And add to it that we know Microsoft all too well.
So, it is zealotry? No. It is kinda normal reaction to stuff which worries geeks? Yes.
I have a better idea. How about we just realize that people need to sort their own shit out?
But that is whole problem. If Russia just sat down and tried to figure out how deal with all problems, then everyone would be clapping hands and handing Putin a price of peace. However, Russia thinks that their problem is not their imperial attitude, but everyone who doesn't submit to their power. For now, all neighborhood countries which doesn't fully corporate with Russia are subjects of extortion, fist swinging, threats of violence, threats of economical "violence", etc. In fact, they do almost EVERYTHING not to be loved. And they go on their "Ohhh, everyone is enemy of Russia, nobody wants us to understand, nobody wants us to love". Guess what, it is usually how drink heads think.
Yes, there is lot to compare with US, however, they somehow learned to keep their cravings for power in civil level (more or less, of course, Bush was a over the top) and somehow they don't give me those sudden freakout moments, as lot of stuff which comes from Russia do. And even then, when I do reality check, I CAN criticise Bush heavily and be not prisoned or silensed in US. Can't say that about Russia and Putin.
Maybe Russia needs some fresh kick in a stomatch (figuratively speaking), someone to show them nice STFU, because for now, they are too deep in circle of self-pittiness. How about improve lives of Russians in Russia before talking about how "bad" everyone treats them in, for example, Baltic States or Ukraine. Everyone know it is a rhetoric, it is nothing to do with truth, but they keep telling it, keep feeding it to their people. For what?
I am really confused, because as Latvian, I have MANY friends which are Russians. And they are nothing like that. Strange.
That "Unlock" button replaces more annoying gksu dialog:) It is PolicyKit, which has been integrated within most of new distros. It replaces old sudo with extended, desktop oriented right management.
What is define Tolkien for me is his human down-to-earth display of magic, out-of-this-world influence. There is no big shiny stars going around Gandalf's hat, he is using his magic power very very rarerly. Force of the Ring is not seen, but felt as influence, as emotions - and such stuff. It allows much easer for reader/watcher (thanks to P.J. who kept the same balance in the movie) to connect with characters, because even if Frodo is the One who will destroy Ring, it is taking him, and last parts of book or movie are really painful to watch due of this, because if you even know the end, you really feel he can fail, because he is just a hobbit. It is humanity within fantasy what Tolkien actually defined (and no, not adult fantasy). And this is why so few authors have been capable to at least copy experience of LOTR world.
From all directors which have been mentioned as directors of "Hobbit", del Toro is most interesting one in style (And he really made Hellboy tick). I think this is really good.
Let's see what will come out of it, but I at least hope for the best.
Oh, you wanted to say "as long as OEMs are interested in receiving huge dump....errr...I mean, competitive price cuts from Microsoft and therefore interested in pushing Windows down into user's throats?":)
Come on, do you really believe that users think they really have a choice? Ok, we can inform, we can convert, but still it will be small fraction of users.
Seemingly OpenOffice.org makes good inroads in OEMs, so Microsoft have to do something to compete. But ad based Microsoft product is rather stretching. I mean, no offense, but it is very hard and annoying to use Microsoft products _sometimes_. Ads means additional annoyance.
Anyway, it is interesting step to watch and smells like testing waters before rolling out full ad-based Microsoft Office out.
They have already made an official commitment to do just that, both for their next Office release, and for the final version of the OOXML SDK.
Next Office release? When? According to pause between XP and Vista releases, it is about 3 - 4 years at least. It is VERY long time. Before that, talking about supporting of OOXML (which is not even cleaned up for now) is just laughing stock and no one will base serious business on that.
As you sure well know, the issue with ODF is the lack of support for it in the most widespread Office suite out there. This isn't going to get any better, either. Meanwhile, the number of applications with OOXML support grows steadily.
Most of apps comes from Apple (which, I guess, has agreement with Microsoft), Microsoft (well, duh), and OpenOffice and it's derratives (like NeoOffice). Some small online apps and that's it. OpenOffice.org 3 is due to be released not so soon and current OOXML support in NeoOffice and OpenOffice.org is not serous to talk about (tried to use it, nightmare).
Apple's commitment to OOXML (apparently they even support reading it on the iPhone) and not to ODF is the final nail in the coffin - it pretty much only leaves Linux as the only "ODF by default" platform out there; and even there Novell is muddying the waters now with its plugin, and OpenOffice 3.0 is going to support OOXML out of the box...
Apple support to OOXML in iWorks haven't been surprise. However you have missed something, Apple supports ODF in DEFAULT text editor TextEdit in Leopard http://www.solidoffice.com/archives/657 (when iWorks is trial and actually costs nice bunch of bucks) and as it is also available in iPhone. So it makes even, doesn't it?
ook, we may like it or not, but it has pretty much been decided now. OOXML is going to be the standard for exchanging office documents. Ugly as it may be (I admit I haven't read the specs, but I've read the introductory booklets by MS covering the basics - and it looks rather messy even there), it's still better than no standard at all.
Nope, I don't like it and it won't be. I also turned 20 people against OOXML, switiching their default saves to DOC and/or starting to migrate to OpenOffice.org and even Linux.
So, ODF will be standard and OOXML will be mockery of the standard which will be left to death my Microsoft itself - as history repeats itself. Apple even supports ODF now, and lot of other companies, including big ones like IBM, HP actively addopts ODF for various goverment projects. Don't forget, people actually can view docs trough other means, usually HTML or PDF is used.
Of course, claiming that "OMG we are doomed, Microsoft will win this one" will always win insightful mod, because ignorance is the bliss (and hey Microsoft always wins, according to their PR). Truth is much much more difficult.
They wanted to get OOXML ISO standardized purerly because of marketing and PR stuff, so they can continue to brainwash governments and orgs into using Microsoft Office. As simple as that.
If you really think they care about full compliance, well, they never cared, they never will care.
It is not worth for Microsoft to improve standard, if they won't make their Office releases _fully_ OOXML standard compliant. As standard for now is completely mess, I will guess it will take approximately 2 years to wait for it to be seriously completed.
In two years ODF will have additional stuff to support flowchart apps, and other stuff.
OOXML standardisation is simply NOT WORTH that. It is just Microsoft childish behaviour (they don't have serious strategy for that) that keeps OOXML floating around. And ohh, lot of support for coders who just don't wanna rewrite their filters to support ODF (Novell/Ximian, yeah, I am talking about you).
ISO, it is already too late. OOXML is tainted with very bad attitude from Microsoft and not control, nor ownership change not gonna cut it. You blow your own reputation and you have to live with that.
It is not lack of consequences that binds people to games like World of Warcraft. It is short term entertainment, or shortly, fun.
I _love_ reality and space sims. This would make EVE Online a ideal match for me, no? But I am very slow to try it, and it is exact of these consequences. Problem is that I don't that much time for games, and even when I do several hours of WoW, my spouse gives me body signs that she would like to get me off that game and computer. And I have lot of other interests too.
So, it is not that EVE online would be bad and Wow would be perfect - it is all matters of point of view. But WoW is king of online games for just that - you can keep your gaming sessions short, it has huge investments in community stuff, usually friends are those people who introduce new players to the game. Almost 60% of the game is only playable when you are have good communications. It feels like fantasy chat with nice story with rich background (altought it feels sometimes plastered together, I like world design and style).
Anyway, even saying all this, I still would like to try EVE, but I still have to find someone giving me 10 days trial to check it out.
Corrupt people will take down ANY system that will get in their way. It is nothing to do with democracy, and everything to do with human being's shortsightness and greed, which comes from self-preservation instinct. If you can't handle it, you get urge to get as much power as possible, as much money as possible.
This Bash entry reminds me about the times when you actually couldn't be sure about what will happen when you will put that ISA/PCI card in your computer. It could eat your data easily, or toast your precious and expensive motherboard.
Propably someone has already pointed out, but color control and layer filters will be possible with implementation of GEGL library, which is fast reaching stable state. It could be end of this year/next begining.
Sorry, bullshit. When hub would start to reach 100$, laws of market will kick in - corporations will have to find a way to "minimize profits" and find manufacturing places elsewhere. And frankly, there are already tons of talented and willing to work people in Eastern Europe, Africa and India. So, hub will cost a little bit more - so fucking what, they can cost double and people will still buy it.
China actually have done so wrong here creating itself as image of "US of Asia". It is not like it's not happened before. Everything balances out in the end.
If they would manufacture huge percent of West food resources, then we could do the talking.
You won't get any far with playing hardball, even as "superpower". If we talk a little bit more objectively (not OMG China ownz da world trough producing iPods), China can't be superpower without West - but West can be serious power without China. It will ask to cut some bloat and unhealthy hooks on China productions, but it can be done. China, however, are not in such luck here.
Yes, China can stone US with screwing with US dollar, but it is like going total nuclear - no one wants it because after that there will be no one to screw with.
While I agree that web will matter more and more, I disagree that format won't be important. It will be and it will have more importance in archival means, not document exchange. So in fact it is where ODF comes out perfectly, because it maybe don't have equal apps like Microsoft Office, but it is more open and on much clearer grounds than OOXML.
I am getting kinda tired from this meme and it just gives impression of fox who can't get the grapes (Nah, HD is all way down to be closed, we have hacked our systems to play DVDs without control, so they just fine). Yes, HD-DVD and Blu-ray didn't matter until new line of high definition displays with reasonable price. However, now they kicked in and anyone who has seen results (Samsung K.I.N.O. line is very big example) would be stupid to claim that it isn't better (it is and man, I have seen movies/formats on so many types of monitors/displays/cinema screens). Well, it is expensive to adapt HD video, but people will do it slowly.
So my impression that Blu-ray rises just because people start to see reasonable displays to watch those HD discs with. NOW there is reason to addopt it. Sadly for Microsoft and people who oppose Sony, they won this time. In fact, with right strategy.
Yes, I left out all issue with DRM, because it doesn't matter for common people. Like it or not.
All those ideas are fine, but requires huge work from developers/testers/doc writers/etc. In fact, infrastructure, framework (a la NetworkManager and GST) are all there, just integrate it in sensible way!
Also, I am kinda worried that this web site will atract just geeks, and geeks have very very different values and thoughts about program choice as common users. Also requests to replace sensible defaults or default beahivour should be taken with grant of salt.
Anyway, nothing new, but it is nice to have it. Let's hope some features requested there will be rolled out in Ubuntu/Kubuntu 8.10.
They act like children, think like children and are cruel like uneducated, stupid, spoiled children.
That is most frightening. You can disagree with US foreign policy as much as you like, but world (and yes, I am talking about world) can't give in to these nuts. They are not ultra radicals, they just dumb as stones. And that is more dangerous.
Why this reminds Catholic fight to get believers under control in Middle Ages? Ohh, because churches are actually big historical scams and faith has actually nothing to do with it.
Yes, I believe in God. And I believe that church has lot of good, nice people in faith there. So it is outrageous that there is _lot_ of people who game this system for their own good. As any system. Wait, it is human nature.
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Shhhh, it is in style to bash GNOME and KDE because they are here for choice. Unfortunately, lot of users get confused and worried when offered a choice. So they try to get rid of it bashing Linux desktop because it confuses them by choice.
In fact, that is why I like Ubuntu and Kubuntu and how common users react to them, because they are like different flavors. When user uses them, he don't get confused, because there are one desktop env. to deal with, one mail app (Evo/KMail), etc. Of course, when they discover that they can expand their desktop much more with few clicks or lines in console, they are truly thrilled. But first, provide minimal to avoid confusion.
But yes, Windows is a mess when we are talking about GUI consistency. However, even as Linux advocate as I am, I can hardly blame Microsoft. Yes, they could/should have provided some strong GUI guidelines, they have experts for that. But even then I really doubt that developers would have followed them.
First, I don't have opinion about Reisers. I don't have all details. If he will get and win appeal, fine. If he won't, well, that sucks, but if you act strange when being suspect or actually have done crime, you have to expect it. Yes, for some time I was worried about connection between Reisers and it's nicknamed filesystem, however, I don't care about that much now, because if there was damage, it is already done. So, let's move on.
Second, OLPC is good project and will continue to be in my eyes, I think lot of people did a terrific job. What worries me (again) is Negroponte's slacky attitude to PR stuff. You can't tell all that kind of speculations. Ok, he thinks Microsoft does good job with providing port of XP to XO. Nice. I have no problem with that. But speculate without any concrete details about what and when XP could replace Linux as base of XO, and how Sugar will be ported to it - it was _bound_ to create speculation and confusion, even anger between contributor's base. Because it is without any basis, just because NN thinks that no one buys XOs that don't run Windows (thanks to coordinated efforts of Intel and Microsoft). Of course it is close to bullshit, and that is reason why everone is worried about it. How would you feel that you have worked for something like three years and suddenly head of organisation says, well, we will trash it and will work for another three years just because another head of different organisation is nice fella and friend of mine and he said he will help me. And add to it that we know Microsoft all too well.
So, it is zealotry? No. It is kinda normal reaction to stuff which worries geeks? Yes.
But that is whole problem. If Russia just sat down and tried to figure out how deal with all problems, then everyone would be clapping hands and handing Putin a price of peace. However, Russia thinks that their problem is not their imperial attitude, but everyone who doesn't submit to their power. For now, all neighborhood countries which doesn't fully corporate with Russia are subjects of extortion, fist swinging, threats of violence, threats of economical "violence", etc. In fact, they do almost EVERYTHING not to be loved. And they go on their "Ohhh, everyone is enemy of Russia, nobody wants us to understand, nobody wants us to love". Guess what, it is usually how drink heads think.
Yes, there is lot to compare with US, however, they somehow learned to keep their cravings for power in civil level (more or less, of course, Bush was a over the top) and somehow they don't give me those sudden freakout moments, as lot of stuff which comes from Russia do. And even then, when I do reality check, I CAN criticise Bush heavily and be not prisoned or silensed in US. Can't say that about Russia and Putin.
Maybe Russia needs some fresh kick in a stomatch (figuratively speaking), someone to show them nice STFU, because for now, they are too deep in circle of self-pittiness. How about improve lives of Russians in Russia before talking about how "bad" everyone treats them in, for example, Baltic States or Ukraine. Everyone know it is a rhetoric, it is nothing to do with truth, but they keep telling it, keep feeding it to their people. For what?
I am really confused, because as Latvian, I have MANY friends which are Russians. And they are nothing like that. Strange.
That "Unlock" button replaces more annoying gksu dialog :) It is PolicyKit, which has been integrated within most of new distros. It replaces old sudo with extended, desktop oriented right management.
I kinda like it.
And even then...
What is define Tolkien for me is his human down-to-earth display of magic, out-of-this-world influence. There is no big shiny stars going around Gandalf's hat, he is using his magic power very very rarerly. Force of the Ring is not seen, but felt as influence, as emotions - and such stuff. It allows much easer for reader/watcher (thanks to P.J. who kept the same balance in the movie) to connect with characters, because even if Frodo is the One who will destroy Ring, it is taking him, and last parts of book or movie are really painful to watch due of this, because if you even know the end, you really feel he can fail, because he is just a hobbit. It is humanity within fantasy what Tolkien actually defined (and no, not adult fantasy). And this is why so few authors have been capable to at least copy experience of LOTR world.
From all directors which have been mentioned as directors of "Hobbit", del Toro is most interesting one in style (And he really made Hellboy tick). I think this is really good.
Let's see what will come out of it, but I at least hope for the best.
Oh, you wanted to say "as long as OEMs are interested in receiving huge dump....errr...I mean, competitive price cuts from Microsoft and therefore interested in pushing Windows down into user's throats?" :)
Come on, do you really believe that users think they really have a choice? Ok, we can inform, we can convert, but still it will be small fraction of users.
Seemingly OpenOffice.org makes good inroads in OEMs, so Microsoft have to do something to compete. But ad based Microsoft product is rather stretching. I mean, no offense, but it is very hard and annoying to use Microsoft products _sometimes_. Ads means additional annoyance.
Anyway, it is interesting step to watch and smells like testing waters before rolling out full ad-based Microsoft Office out.
Next Office release? When? According to pause between XP and Vista releases, it is about 3 - 4 years at least. It is VERY long time. Before that, talking about supporting of OOXML (which is not even cleaned up for now) is just laughing stock and no one will base serious business on that.
Most of apps comes from Apple (which, I guess, has agreement with Microsoft), Microsoft (well, duh), and OpenOffice and it's derratives (like NeoOffice). Some small online apps and that's it. OpenOffice.org 3 is due to be released not so soon and current OOXML support in NeoOffice and OpenOffice.org is not serous to talk about (tried to use it, nightmare).
Apple support to OOXML in iWorks haven't been surprise. However you have missed something, Apple supports ODF in DEFAULT text editor TextEdit in Leopard http://www.solidoffice.com/archives/657 (when iWorks is trial and actually costs nice bunch of bucks) and as it is also available in iPhone. So it makes even, doesn't it?
Nope, I don't like it and it won't be. I also turned 20 people against OOXML, switiching their default saves to DOC and/or starting to migrate to OpenOffice.org and even Linux.
So, ODF will be standard and OOXML will be mockery of the standard which will be left to death my Microsoft itself - as history repeats itself. Apple even supports ODF now, and lot of other companies, including big ones like IBM, HP actively addopts ODF for various goverment projects. Don't forget, people actually can view docs trough other means, usually HTML or PDF is used.
Of course, claiming that "OMG we are doomed, Microsoft will win this one" will always win insightful mod, because ignorance is the bliss (and hey Microsoft always wins, according to their PR). Truth is much much more difficult.
They wanted to get OOXML ISO standardized purerly because of marketing and PR stuff, so they can continue to brainwash governments and orgs into using Microsoft Office. As simple as that.
If you really think they care about full compliance, well, they never cared, they never will care.
It is not worth for Microsoft to improve standard, if they won't make their Office releases _fully_ OOXML standard compliant. As standard for now is completely mess, I will guess it will take approximately 2 years to wait for it to be seriously completed.
In two years ODF will have additional stuff to support flowchart apps, and other stuff.
OOXML standardisation is simply NOT WORTH that. It is just Microsoft childish behaviour (they don't have serious strategy for that) that keeps OOXML floating around. And ohh, lot of support for coders who just don't wanna rewrite their filters to support ODF (Novell/Ximian, yeah, I am talking about you).
ISO, it is already too late. OOXML is tainted with very bad attitude from Microsoft and not control, nor ownership change not gonna cut it. You blow your own reputation and you have to live with that.
And hands off from ODF. Get lost.
It is not lack of consequences that binds people to games like World of Warcraft. It is short term entertainment, or shortly, fun.
I _love_ reality and space sims. This would make EVE Online a ideal match for me, no? But I am very slow to try it, and it is exact of these consequences. Problem is that I don't that much time for games, and even when I do several hours of WoW, my spouse gives me body signs that she would like to get me off that game and computer. And I have lot of other interests too.
So, it is not that EVE online would be bad and Wow would be perfect - it is all matters of point of view. But WoW is king of online games for just that - you can keep your gaming sessions short, it has huge investments in community stuff, usually friends are those people who introduce new players to the game. Almost 60% of the game is only playable when you are have good communications. It feels like fantasy chat with nice story with rich background (altought it feels sometimes plastered together, I like world design and style).
Anyway, even saying all this, I still would like to try EVE, but I still have to find someone giving me 10 days trial to check it out.
Corrupt people will take down ANY system that will get in their way. It is nothing to do with democracy, and everything to do with human being's shortsightness and greed, which comes from self-preservation instinct. If you can't handle it, you get urge to get as much power as possible, as much money as possible.
Read summary, read article, not helping. What a hell are reason for it? :)
But nice tagging with !omgponies. Damn, that was so cool, a little overboard, but still cool.
Microsoft Office doesn't qualify. Yep, Microsoft could not get that even right.
This Bash entry reminds me about the times when you actually couldn't be sure about what will happen when you will put that ISA/PCI card in your computer. It could eat your data easily, or toast your precious and expensive motherboard.
Laugh everytime I see this.
Propably someone has already pointed out, but color control and layer filters will be possible with implementation of GEGL library, which is fast reaching stable state. It could be end of this year/next begining.
Sorry, bullshit. When hub would start to reach 100$, laws of market will kick in - corporations will have to find a way to "minimize profits" and find manufacturing places elsewhere. And frankly, there are already tons of talented and willing to work people in Eastern Europe, Africa and India. So, hub will cost a little bit more - so fucking what, they can cost double and people will still buy it.
China actually have done so wrong here creating itself as image of "US of Asia". It is not like it's not happened before. Everything balances out in the end.
If they would manufacture huge percent of West food resources, then we could do the talking.
You won't get any far with playing hardball, even as "superpower". If we talk a little bit more objectively (not OMG China ownz da world trough producing iPods), China can't be superpower without West - but West can be serious power without China. It will ask to cut some bloat and unhealthy hooks on China productions, but it can be done. China, however, are not in such luck here.
Yes, China can stone US with screwing with US dollar, but it is like going total nuclear - no one wants it because after that there will be no one to screw with.
While I agree that web will matter more and more, I disagree that format won't be important. It will be and it will have more importance in archival means, not document exchange. So in fact it is where ODF comes out perfectly, because it maybe don't have equal apps like Microsoft Office, but it is more open and on much clearer grounds than OOXML.
I am getting kinda tired from this meme and it just gives impression of fox who can't get the grapes (Nah, HD is all way down to be closed, we have hacked our systems to play DVDs without control, so they just fine). Yes, HD-DVD and Blu-ray didn't matter until new line of high definition displays with reasonable price. However, now they kicked in and anyone who has seen results (Samsung K.I.N.O. line is very big example) would be stupid to claim that it isn't better (it is and man, I have seen movies/formats on so many types of monitors/displays/cinema screens). Well, it is expensive to adapt HD video, but people will do it slowly.
So my impression that Blu-ray rises just because people start to see reasonable displays to watch those HD discs with. NOW there is reason to addopt it. Sadly for Microsoft and people who oppose Sony, they won this time. In fact, with right strategy.
Yes, I left out all issue with DRM, because it doesn't matter for common people. Like it or not.
Of course, just mine two cents,
Peter.
All those ideas are fine, but requires huge work from developers/testers/doc writers/etc. In fact, infrastructure, framework (a la NetworkManager and GST) are all there, just integrate it in sensible way!
Also, I am kinda worried that this web site will atract just geeks, and geeks have very very different values and thoughts about program choice as common users. Also requests to replace sensible defaults or default beahivour should be taken with grant of salt.
Anyway, nothing new, but it is nice to have it. Let's hope some features requested there will be rolled out in Ubuntu/Kubuntu 8.10.
They act like children, think like children and are cruel like uneducated, stupid, spoiled children.
That is most frightening. You can disagree with US foreign policy as much as you like, but world (and yes, I am talking about world) can't give in to these nuts. They are not ultra radicals, they just dumb as stones. And that is more dangerous.
Why this reminds Catholic fight to get believers under control in Middle Ages? Ohh, because churches are actually big historical scams and faith has actually nothing to do with it.
Yes, I believe in God. And I believe that church has lot of good, nice people in faith there. So it is outrageous that there is _lot_ of people who game this system for their own good. As any system. Wait, it is human nature.