Speaking of locking down, I guess most of the problems would be solved if it would be trivial to do in XP what Windows Vista does by default, that is, having IE run under a 'locked down' user acc.
(Even though you can do in XP, but involves removing the millions of shortcuts to IE and replacing them, and if the user types an address in a regular 'My Computer' window for example... BAM!)
Yes, I agree with the plugin issue, but, to be fair:
1 - Most users don't know about extentions 2 - Drive-by-download pages (and other trouble causing web-pages) are much more common 3 - Some choice of default extentions may be beneficial (like Noscript, adblock, Flashblock, etc)
IT people (especially CIO type of crap) being complete tards...
No, really, these kind of people spend millions of dollars in anti-virus, anti-spyware and other kind of crap that doesn't work when they could use FF and solve 90% of their problems.
And in my personal experience, most of the sites that don't work on FF are not work-related ones, so...
NAS Older versions of Windows (Windows 2000 or XP in an old machine. And I have seen people with XP in a Pentium 233 w/ 32Mb of memory as their file server / P2P app machine) Even configuring a Samba share with point & click distributions is not that hard (for someone who knows and wants a file server)
I'm not a CC admin but I have designed branching strategies for our products. It works great.
Ok, branching strategies are important, are not much dependent on the system, are they?
And the need for branching is greatly reduced when you use continuous integration (except if you want to enjoy the 'benefits' of big-bang integration)
And don't get me started on how CC does not support unified diffs and atomic commits. That is enough for me to discard it (and CVS and all others that don't support it).
Ever heard of multi site redundancy?
Most of the time, it is overrated. There are other forms of getting redundancy. In fact, using the GIT/Bitkeeper model, you don't even need a server.
And why would one need encrypted transfer when we have VPN?
It is called "M&M security", or something like that. Hard on the outside, weak on the inside.
Or a fscking shell script for god's sake! for file in `cleartool lsco -cvi -avo -sho`; do cleartool ci -c "My comment here" $file;done
The fact that it costs what it costs and doesn't support even that out of the box only shows how pathetic this system is. Because everybody sw dev had to do that once (or, most likely, several times) in a lifetime and it should be one of the most basic functions it should support.
Or maybe they're using CC themselves to develop it and development is fucked up and they can't even add that functionality, like in every place I've seen it used.
It's still sounding like your admin is incompetent.
Tools HAVE to be easy to use. The tools I use don't need a full-time admin to keep it from falling apart. Nor they perform like a dog when the admin doesn't configure everything to perfection. Because time is money, and CC is a huge waste of everybody's TIME, MONEY and PATIENCE.
By "History Explorer" I meant Right-Click in an element -> CC -> History
You must just have had a useless admin.
Maybe. But he did the IBM training course, and is following it, as well as the company standards.
We use clearcase to store and replicate our source archive globally. Its flexible branching strategies allow us to work effectively on multiple releases of our codebase.
Marketing blurb. As for checking in in seconds, I believe (as I discussed w/ other people) that this is the fault of Dynamic Views, (and CC doctor shows nothing wrong)
And you see, you don't need to "replicate your code base globally" since they invented something called "the internet" (which you most likely cannnot use in while CC in syncing with other servers, which usually takes an ungodly amount of time while gobbing tons of bandwidth). Decent source control systems let you check out code via the internet, security, encryption and everything else.
Not to mention a ton of silly bugs, usability faux-pas (really, it is textbook after textbook example of how not to do things) and mistakes that would have been caught if someone had tested the darn thing for 2 seconds.
It sounds like both your admin and yourself are totally incompetent.
Yeah, because I can do with other systems in 2 seconds what takes me to do in CC the whole week and a ton of scripts.
What better products do you have to offer than rational?
Pretty much ANYTHING ELSE. There are two 'common' products that I consider worse than ClearFuck: RCS and VSS. CVS is more or less the same, but CC admins help makinkg things worse than they should ve.
Or, to put it in another way (paraphrasing torvalds): "having a million monkeys throwing crap at the walls and encoding the information in the patterns on monkey shit is a better format than ClearCrap"
Because, like, everyone who is minimally serious about SW development is already using truly reliable and fast systems, atomic commits and other advanced things.
Except for the dumbfucks (like you) who think it is funny using History explorer to find the history of an element as if it was a game. Or taking minutes to check in a 8kb file.
Bonus points if it's something that comes with guarantees on reliability and support.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
The only thing CC is warranted to do is to crap its pants if left to its own devices.
As for support. Yes, IBM support is trying to figure out why ClearQuest is hanging twice a day (in the place I work). It's been a couple of weeks now.
I'd rather use stuff that works out of the box, not a piece of shit that was charged an obscene amount of money for.
I decided that I'm not taking any more jobs that involve dealing with IRRATIONAL CRAP.
Yes, I agree with most of these examples (and I would add others as weel, esp. graphics / 3D programs), but this:
but for stuff that just cannot fail, Guess what, I have been working in closed-source systems that, in theory, 'just cannot fail', for some time now, and let me tell you this:
I rather trust my dog than these people, because they haven't got the slightest clue of how to do it. Yes, they try, and it works, most of the time, but really don't count on it. And these are name-brand systems, costing a lot of money, that probably controls some of the infra-structure you're using right now. (yes, I'm being vague on purpose)
Of course I try to fix it, but I gave up a long time ago.
ASP/IIS glitch? It may bring downtime, but you can tell shareholders (and the auditors) that it was someone else's fault. I'd rather use stuff that works (either open or closed), not expensive crap that doesn't work but gives me someone to blame for my incompetence (of using the BS product in the first place).
Fact: Programmers need money to survive and are generally underpaid. Fact: People can work only 40-60 hours a week without burning out and writing crap code. Fact: Programmers have lives outside of the code.
For Open Source to survive, it's going to have to figure out how to compete in a market economy. Part of that means making better code, since some OSS projects (OpenOffice) are total garbage full of bugs. Part of it means a path by which the average OSS application can monetize itself and pay its developers.
Maybe SourceForge needs to distribute profit from its AdSense earnings, I dunno. Funny...
Most places I see the kind of problems these 'facts' show are closed-source shops.
Oh yeah, another 'fact' for you. Open Source projects kicks closed-source projects in the groin in software best practices, construction techniques, usage of tools, etc, etc
Slashdot Mirror
No, maaan! It works thru the nerves, duh!!
(at least that's what I thought at first when I read this)
I second this. The important thing is to enable all the 'graph' options, as well as call graphs and other stuff. That will be most useful.
As such, it does reverse engineering of code, showing inheritances, clall graphs, include graphs, etc, etc
Only problem is, it is a pain to configure. Also, windows versions don't look very stable.
Given the tripe that "Rational" products are, this makes my curiosity about this ZERO.
There are several good collaboration tools out there, none made by "Rational"
Speaking of locking down, I guess most of the problems would be solved if it would be trivial to do in XP what Windows Vista does by default, that is, having IE run under a 'locked down' user acc.
(Even though you can do in XP, but involves removing the millions of shortcuts to IE and replacing them, and if the user types an address in a regular 'My Computer' window for example... BAM!)
Yes, I agree with the plugin issue, but, to be fair:
1 - Most users don't know about extentions
2 - Drive-by-download pages (and other trouble causing web-pages) are much more common
3 - Some choice of default extentions may be beneficial (like Noscript, adblock, Flashblock, etc)
IT people (especially CIO type of crap) being complete tards...
No, really, these kind of people spend millions of dollars in anti-virus, anti-spyware and other kind of crap that doesn't work when they could use FF and solve 90% of their problems.
And in my personal experience, most of the sites that don't work on FF are not work-related ones, so...
And now try to access networksolutionsarecrooks.com and see what happens!!!
Actually, not everywhere a wedding ring has a diamond in it.
I think it is pretty much an USA tradition
As Wikipedia says: "A plain gold band is the most popular pattern." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedding_ring
Yeah, right...
"Miscarriage of justice" will happen if all the MAFIAA is condemned to the gas chamber, and even then...
Cry me a river.
You forgot Tased...
But yeah, probably it is too soft on him.
Let's see
NAS
Older versions of Windows (Windows 2000 or XP in an old machine. And I have seen people with XP in a Pentium 233 w/ 32Mb of memory as their file server / P2P app machine)
Even configuring a Samba share with point & click distributions is not that hard (for someone who knows and wants a file server)
OOoh man!
I SO want to see the "on drugs" version of the Chewbacca defense...
2001 called. They want their Pentium 4 clock speed bullcrap back.
It was TWA 800
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800
I second that
All attempts to send signals to aliens should involve exclusively pictures of LOLCats
[CITATION NEEDED]
Yeah! But now they do it in Java, so they need all those extra Gigaflops!!!
Sorry, couldn't resist... (grin)
by being thrown in the mountain of DOOM!! OMG!!
but if you can't be bothered to write a one line loop on the command line you're a pretty poor developer, IMHO
If writing that script is the first thing everybody does when start working, then it should come with it, shouldn't it??
I'm not bothered by writing it 'per se', I'm bothered by the lack of such obvious functionality.
And windows devs don't have that much flexibility in writing scripts.
I'm not a CC admin but I have designed branching strategies for our products. It works great.
Ok, branching strategies are important, are not much dependent on the system, are they?
And the need for branching is greatly reduced when you use continuous integration (except if you want to enjoy the 'benefits' of big-bang integration)
And don't get me started on how CC does not support unified diffs and atomic commits. That is enough for me to discard it (and CVS and all others that don't support it).
Ever heard of multi site redundancy?
Most of the time, it is overrated. There are other forms of getting redundancy. In fact, using the GIT/Bitkeeper model, you don't even need a server.
And why would one need encrypted transfer when we have VPN?
It is called "M&M security", or something like that. Hard on the outside, weak on the inside.
Or a fscking shell script for god's sake!
for file in `cleartool lsco -cvi -avo -sho`; do cleartool ci -c "My comment here" $file;done
The fact that it costs what it costs and doesn't support even that out of the box only shows how pathetic this system is. Because everybody sw dev had to do that once (or, most likely, several times) in a lifetime and it should be one of the most basic functions it should support.
Or maybe they're using CC themselves to develop it and development is fucked up and they can't even add that functionality, like in every place I've seen it used.
It's still sounding like your admin is incompetent.
Tools HAVE to be easy to use. The tools I use don't need a full-time admin to keep it from falling apart. Nor they perform like a dog when the admin doesn't configure everything to perfection. Because time is money, and CC is a huge waste of everybody's TIME, MONEY and PATIENCE.
By "History Explorer" I meant Right-Click in an element -> CC -> History
You must just have had a useless admin.
Maybe. But he did the IBM training course, and is following it, as well as the company standards.
We use clearcase to store and replicate our source archive globally. Its flexible branching strategies allow us to work effectively on multiple releases of our codebase.
Marketing blurb. As for checking in in seconds, I believe (as I discussed w/ other people) that this is the fault of Dynamic Views, (and CC doctor shows nothing wrong)
And you see, you don't need to "replicate your code base globally" since they invented something called "the internet" (which you most likely cannnot use in while CC in syncing with other servers, which usually takes an ungodly amount of time while gobbing tons of bandwidth). Decent source control systems let you check out code via the internet, security, encryption and everything else.
Not to mention a ton of silly bugs, usability faux-pas (really, it is textbook after textbook example of how not to do things) and mistakes that would have been caught if someone had tested the darn thing for 2 seconds.
It sounds like both your admin and yourself are totally incompetent.
Yeah, because I can do with other systems in 2 seconds what takes me to do in CC the whole week and a ton of scripts.
Well... let's see
What better products do you have to offer than rational?
Pretty much ANYTHING ELSE. There are two 'common' products that I consider worse than ClearFuck: RCS and VSS. CVS is more or less the same, but CC admins help makinkg things worse than they should ve.
Or, to put it in another way (paraphrasing torvalds): "having a million monkeys throwing crap at the walls and encoding the information in the patterns on monkey shit is a better format than ClearCrap"
Because, like, everyone who is minimally serious about SW development is already using truly reliable and fast systems, atomic commits and other advanced things.
Except for the dumbfucks (like you) who think it is funny using History explorer to find the history of an element as if it was a game. Or taking minutes to check in a 8kb file.
Bonus points if it's something that comes with guarantees on reliability and support.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
The only thing CC is warranted to do is to crap its pants if left to its own devices.
As for support. Yes, IBM support is trying to figure out why ClearQuest is hanging twice a day (in the place I work). It's been a couple of weeks now.
I'd rather use stuff that works out of the box, not a piece of shit that was charged an obscene amount of money for.
I decided that I'm not taking any more jobs that involve dealing with IRRATIONAL CRAP.
You didn't mention it, but, for example, concerning Corel Draw, the older version are the best.
Everybody can pick like, Version 4 or 7 and do a heck of a job with it. Today, it is most fluff, bloat, etc.
Stick with the older versions, which doesn't mean you shouldn't use any OSS.
That's it!!
We need a syntax highlighting script for VIM/Emacs for SOP manual diffs.
I rather trust my dog than these people, because they haven't got the slightest clue of how to do it. Yes, they try, and it works, most of the time, but really don't count on it. And these are name-brand systems, costing a lot of money, that probably controls some of the infra-structure you're using right now. (yes, I'm being vague on purpose)
Of course I try to fix it, but I gave up a long time ago. ASP/IIS glitch? It may bring downtime, but you can tell shareholders (and the auditors) that it was someone else's fault. I'd rather use stuff that works (either open or closed), not expensive crap that doesn't work but gives me someone to blame for my incompetence (of using the BS product in the first place).
Fact: People can work only 40-60 hours a week without burning out and writing crap code.
Fact: Programmers have lives outside of the code.
For Open Source to survive, it's going to have to figure out how to compete in a market economy.
Part of that means making better code, since some OSS projects (OpenOffice) are total garbage full of bugs.
Part of it means a path by which the average OSS application can monetize itself and pay its developers.
Maybe SourceForge needs to distribute profit from its AdSense earnings, I dunno. Funny...
Most places I see the kind of problems these 'facts' show are closed-source shops.
Oh yeah, another 'fact' for you. Open Source projects kicks closed-source projects in the groin in software best practices, construction techniques, usage of tools, etc, etc