This has about as much to do with security as...well...nothing.
They don't track anything about -you-. It's a clever and quick way to track product info at a store level. They're not getting anything that some guy with a clipboard couldn't get. They're just doing it much more intelligently.
Not EVERY technical innovation in marketing = big brother.
Very good points. I agree with much of what you said; however, I'm not sure about the distinction of price dumping in regards to services. Your example for instance, about the Indian in the U.S., why does it have to be an Indian in the U.S? The service is delivered to a company much like a product would be; it doesn't matter where the service was performed (or product made.)
I agree that if the service was available for $300 to other Indian companies, but the government then subsidized that service to be 'sold' cheaper to other countries, that might be price dumping. So technically it's not price dumping, you are right.
However...I'm not sure I would agree that India has a fair wage policy. In fact, there is a very interesting (and related) article about the caste system, and how many Indians live Found Here
At what point does it not become morally wrong to accept such services? IF (and I'm not saying they do) their government restricts wages or otherwise keeps goods and services unnaturally low-priced, does that make it okay for US companies to accept the services of someone who has no other choice, even if they are making more? What if our services come from some IT sweatshop in a country where the workers are forced to work unreasonably cheap? Is it still okay to accept such services? I'm not asking you personally, obviously; I'm just curious as to those who keep screaming, "free trade! Global economy!"
If US companies/liberal economists are so keen on making the world a better place and bringing up the standards in other countries, then pay them comparable salaries to what they would get if they were in the United States.
My question would have been what about price dumping? We (the US) don't allow government-supported industries to dump product here for many reasons.
Isn't this the same thing?
It was pointed out in the article how difficult it is to find work in India. So these outsourcing companies can exploit their workers, making them work for free for the first few months, and pay them relatively low wages, then advertise with US companies how much cheaper and better their product is.
How is this not price dumping? And if it is, maybe the other debate is, should we not care? Global economy, yada yada, if they want to dump, let 'em?
So one of the title characters decides to wipe out humanity...so much for the surprise, huh. I guess I don't need to bother reading this one.
I really should stop reading reviews...
The earth is actually slowing down, which result in all of living for hundreds of more years. The only problem is I'm already bored. What the hell am I going to do with all the free time?
Couple of things...F9 is typically a refresh on spreadsheet apps. Even M$ Excel uses it as refresh...I suspect this is because 1-2-3 also used it as refresh, and Lotus simply continued to use that.
Yes, the red screen of death is annoying, but it's a LOT less prevalent than it was. I program in Notes daily, and it's probably been six months since I've seen it. (Using 5x now...it happened much more in 4x).
I don't believe it lacks in programming functionality. Lotus Script is fairly rich; there is nothing I haven't been able to do with it regarding Notes apps. We use it to fill Excel and other progs for reporting, and a lot of other stuff. Also, you can use Java within any database if you prefer that to Script. As well as Javascript if you're webifying the app. Lots of options.
As I said, I know it's not perfect...but given the other options I've seen out there, it's hella better than a lot of stuff.
Keep in mind also that version 7 is en route, which will introduce some really interesting changes. Then there's the WebSphere potential...
Also, I get paid by the hour to work with it, so I AM a bit biased:)
I'll take that bet if I can choose the company. I'm at a Fortune 500 company now that uses Notes, and uses it extensively. Everything from low-level scheduling apps to factory/plant operations to VP-level strategic management and portfolio planning.
Everything is done through Notes...the annual employee's evaluation process, education scheduling, travel planning, you name it.
And we use it for Internet, Intranet, synching with SQL and Oracle...Business Objects, the list goes on.
I do agree that some companies only use it for email; and that's just plain stupid. In fact, the last company I was at decided to suspend all applications via Notes for cost reduction measures. Dumb.
The company I'm at has hundreds if not thousands of global apps on Notes. I can't imagine what they would do without it at this point...
Notes might not be the most elegant piece of software in the world, but one thing that astounds me is the insistence of people to just classify it as 'email.'
It's far more than that, and to think it's just an email program is like calling the Vatican a dump because the restroom is nasty. Okay, stupid example.
Anyway, think about it. When a user has Notes installed, it is far more than just email. They instantly have access to a wide range of applications, some of which can be extremely complex. They can participate in complicated workflow applications simply by having the Notes client; they don't even need to access the databases where these applications are written.
Think about some of the brilliant executives out there, and trying to show them how to use some new travel approval database. Then consider that all a good programmer needs to do is send the relevant info to the exec when necessary, and the exec simply clicks Yes, No, whatever and it's done. All from email. I don't know any other email programs that do that out of the box. You'll need about 5 different applications within Microsoft to do that for Outlook.
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This has about as much to do with security as...well...nothing. They don't track anything about -you-. It's a clever and quick way to track product info at a store level. They're not getting anything that some guy with a clipboard couldn't get. They're just doing it much more intelligently. Not EVERY technical innovation in marketing = big brother.
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I agree that if the service was available for $300 to other Indian companies, but the government then subsidized that service to be 'sold' cheaper to other countries, that might be price dumping. So technically it's not price dumping, you are right.
However...I'm not sure I would agree that India has a fair wage policy. In fact, there is a very interesting (and related) article about the caste system, and how many Indians live Found Here
At what point does it not become morally wrong to accept such services? IF (and I'm not saying they do) their government restricts wages or otherwise keeps goods and services unnaturally low-priced, does that make it okay for US companies to accept the services of someone who has no other choice, even if they are making more? What if our services come from some IT sweatshop in a country where the workers are forced to work unreasonably cheap? Is it still okay to accept such services? I'm not asking you personally, obviously; I'm just curious as to those who keep screaming, "free trade! Global economy!"
If US companies/liberal economists are so keen on making the world a better place and bringing up the standards in other countries, then pay them comparable salaries to what they would get if they were in the United States.
Very interesting article.
My question would have been what about price dumping? We (the US) don't allow government-supported industries to dump product here for many reasons.
Isn't this the same thing?
It was pointed out in the article how difficult it is to find work in India. So these outsourcing companies can exploit their workers, making them work for free for the first few months, and pay them relatively low wages, then advertise with US companies how much cheaper and better their product is.
How is this not price dumping? And if it is, maybe the other debate is, should we not care? Global economy, yada yada, if they want to dump, let 'em?
What font will the cover of the TPS reports have?
Little does India know that this has been Our Grand Plan all along.
This finally opens up opportunities in Agricultural Engineering and Development (farming) that has long been ignored by those Hindu smarties.
I just bought me a pair of overalls and a Pabst Blue Ribbon: I am now prepared to enter the new 'thing' in the job world.
What muscles will my "Celebrity Strip Poker" enbiggen?
1. Enthusiasm
2. Disillusionment
3. Panic
4. Search for the Guilty
5. Punishment of the Innocent
6. Praise and Honor for the Non-Participants
He did... But Lucas is used to rehashing things he's beaten to death..why should Mayhew be any different?
So one of the title characters decides to wipe out humanity...so much for the surprise, huh. I guess I don't need to bother reading this one. I really should stop reading reviews...
The earth is actually slowing down, which result in all of living for hundreds of more years. The only problem is I'm already bored. What the hell am I going to do with all the free time?
Couple of things...F9 is typically a refresh on spreadsheet apps. Even M$ Excel uses it as refresh...I suspect this is because 1-2-3 also used it as refresh, and Lotus simply continued to use that.
:)
Yes, the red screen of death is annoying, but it's a LOT less prevalent than it was. I program in Notes daily, and it's probably been six months since I've seen it. (Using 5x now...it happened much more in 4x).
I don't believe it lacks in programming functionality. Lotus Script is fairly rich; there is nothing I haven't been able to do with it regarding Notes apps. We use it to fill Excel and other progs for reporting, and a lot of other stuff. Also, you can use Java within any database if you prefer that to Script. As well as Javascript if you're webifying the app. Lots of options.
As I said, I know it's not perfect...but given the other options I've seen out there, it's hella better than a lot of stuff.
Keep in mind also that version 7 is en route, which will introduce some really interesting changes. Then there's the WebSphere potential...
Also, I get paid by the hour to work with it, so I AM a bit biased
I'll take that bet if I can choose the company. I'm at a Fortune 500 company now that uses Notes, and uses it extensively. Everything from low-level scheduling apps to factory/plant operations to VP-level strategic management and portfolio planning.
Everything is done through Notes...the annual employee's evaluation process, education scheduling, travel planning, you name it.
And we use it for Internet, Intranet, synching with SQL and Oracle...Business Objects, the list goes on.
I do agree that some companies only use it for email; and that's just plain stupid. In fact, the last company I was at decided to suspend all applications via Notes for cost reduction measures. Dumb.
The company I'm at has hundreds if not thousands of global apps on Notes. I can't imagine what they would do without it at this point...
Notes might not be the most elegant piece of software in the world, but one thing that astounds me is the insistence of people to just classify it as 'email.'
It's far more than that, and to think it's just an email program is like calling the Vatican a dump because the restroom is nasty. Okay, stupid example.
Anyway, think about it. When a user has Notes installed, it is far more than just email. They instantly have access to a wide range of applications, some of which can be extremely complex. They can participate in complicated workflow applications simply by having the Notes client; they don't even need to access the databases where these applications are written.
Think about some of the brilliant executives out there, and trying to show them how to use some new travel approval database. Then consider that all a good programmer needs to do is send the relevant info to the exec when necessary, and the exec simply clicks Yes, No, whatever and it's done. All from email. I don't know any other email programs that do that out of the box. You'll need about 5 different applications within Microsoft to do that for Outlook.
Anyway, Notes is far more than just email.