Trouble is, what's the alternative to nuclear power for the UK?
We've closed down most of the pits and are using North Sea gas to power the stations. How long is that going to last?
Wind and solar would be great, but what I've heard about yields from both, the investment to replace our power requirements would be immense and completely blight the landscape of the country.
I don't know about Elvish, but one of the principal things about Latin is that so much of our western language derives from it - English, French, Italian (and I guess Spanish too). It teaches a whole lot about structure.
Also, for some people learning Latin, if you have an interest in history, you get to read a lot about the Romans.
I think Microsoft are fighting a losing battle over this one, myself.
I think Businesses really want Linux to save money, and gain freedom in product selection. Many of the ears that hear SCO's FUD will be listening with dismay and may be delaying. The significant thing is that they want it to work, and IMO freedom has a way of happening. People try very hard to work around legal and national boundaries to get freedom or a better deal.
I know one person who has believed SCOs FUD and been happy to hear it. A couple of people said about the case, and I pointed them at various sites and they were happy to see that it was just garbage.
Even if SCO win their case, what's the absolute and total worst case for Linux? Some guys have to remove the code and rewrite it. Maybe some companies hold fire. Maybe even, some Linux using companies go bust because of it (I'm into the lunatic fringe worst case here). So what? Linux will just bounce back. A new generation of people will come along. The movement and the idea are there now, and it's unstoppable.
The best Microsoft can hope for with these cases is a stay of execution.
Each conversion not only means more people use it, which results in more people writing for it, but it also has an effect on Microsoft's bottom line. Each person who quits then isn't funding Microsoft development or political lobbying.
I'm warming to the idea of Macs - not for me as I hack computers around a lot and write software and like a huge variety of packages/OSS software, but for a lot of home users, a mac seems ideal.
What are the requirements? Word Processing, websurfing, email and image manipulation. How many millions of people need little more than that? They also get major stability and less spyware and viruses.
IBM would be crazy not to follow the SCO case through now. From what I've read on Groklaw, it seems to me that they could probably cut to the chase and close the case up now. I could be really, really wrong, but I get the impression that IBM is happy to let this case get as big and ludicrous as possible and then splat SCO. The result will be that any attempt to pull a similar case will be questioned first. What better than to have the shills print as much crap as possible and then prove it all wrong? Who'll believe them next time.
Thing is, I've had a quick look into this guy at AutoZone called Jim Greer, who posted something on Groklaw a couple of weeks ago. The guy knows a lot about this case already it seems, and looks to know a lot about a lot of other good stuff.
Hopefully, his superiors will be calling him, and he'll be telling them how it is, and they'll listen to him. Hopefully IBM will give them some backup too.
Another thing, people don't settle suits unless there's at least a hint of merit in the claims, or that they just feel the case, whether they are in the right or not, will tarnish their corporate image or reveal bad stuff about them. From what I've heard, none of this counts here.
I think they really picked the wrong company here.
A good stock price also helps to keep the current management in place. If stockholders see the price going up they are less likely to ditch them.
So, if people start making noises to the effect of "I'll buy shares in your company if you fight SCO", management may be influenced (and if they win their case, the price would likely go up a bit).
It's pretty much irrelevant. What matters is if a bunch of dumb journalists print it and make a bunch of dumb stockholders/potential Linux convertors think SCO are on to something.
I think his arguments make no sense at all. I've read material on Groklaw and slashdot, and I can't even see any risk now. It seems to now be down to a contract dispute with IBM over derivative works, not copyright of people using it.
I hope everyone ditches EV1 on the principal of not paying some wretched SCO tax. If my ISPs did, I'd drop them immediately.
AFAIK having read various things on/., SCO have basically dropped the "SCO IP in Linux" in terms of it being a copyright issue. IIRC SCO are not claiming any System V code is in Linux, but that parts of AIX are (those are parts which IBM wrote into AIX which are add ons to System V).
SCO are claiming these add ons as derivative works which according to most people on Groklaw is stretching the term "derivative work".
I would rather buy insurance on the odds of the moon colliding with the earth than buy a SCO license.
Quite often on UK television, a reporter will say "these coffee pickers earn only 1 dollar a day", with no reference to how much 1 dollar buys you in that country.
I'm not saying that standards of living aren't lower, and yes, I'm glad I live in the UK and not Kenya, but perspective is required.
I wonder whether this is going to be a hard format to sell too.
How much came out after CD? MiniDisc, DAT, DCC - nearly all did no great guns because CD was 'good enough'. People have switched from VHS to DVD replacing libraries of tapes (for me, that was 13 years of VHS). DVD gave a major leap in quality.
Presumably the full benefit of this format will also require updated TVs, and those are really going to cost early on.
So basically you are saying that I should use the software of your choice, and when I consider it broken I should shut the fuck up and fix it.
No, what I'm basically saying is that you could fix it or report the problem. I didn't cover "or use something else", but that's your choice. If we all want these projects to work, it's helpful to report issues, even if you don't fix them.
You also did not say "I'll go ahead and not use it then" anywhere in your post that I replied to.
That sounds like a really good idea, that wouldn't be too difficult to implement, particularly if it was the case that the HTML of the help site was downloaded with the client (and could be refreshed quite easily).
The more problems known with OSS, the better it can be.
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What haven't you been reading?
Ever heard of the Halloween memos? Microsoft licensing SCO IP just about the same time that SCO decide to attack Linux?
We've closed down most of the pits and are using North Sea gas to power the stations. How long is that going to last?
Wind and solar would be great, but what I've heard about yields from both, the investment to replace our power requirements would be immense and completely blight the landscape of the country.
Also, for some people learning Latin, if you have an interest in history, you get to read a lot about the Romans.
I think Businesses really want Linux to save money, and gain freedom in product selection. Many of the ears that hear SCO's FUD will be listening with dismay and may be delaying. The significant thing is that they want it to work, and IMO freedom has a way of happening. People try very hard to work around legal and national boundaries to get freedom or a better deal.
I know one person who has believed SCOs FUD and been happy to hear it. A couple of people said about the case, and I pointed them at various sites and they were happy to see that it was just garbage.
Even if SCO win their case, what's the absolute and total worst case for Linux? Some guys have to remove the code and rewrite it. Maybe some companies hold fire. Maybe even, some Linux using companies go bust because of it (I'm into the lunatic fringe worst case here). So what? Linux will just bounce back. A new generation of people will come along. The movement and the idea are there now, and it's unstoppable.
The best Microsoft can hope for with these cases is a stay of execution.
Each conversion not only means more people use it, which results in more people writing for it, but it also has an effect on Microsoft's bottom line. Each person who quits then isn't funding Microsoft development or political lobbying.
What are the requirements? Word Processing, websurfing, email and image manipulation. How many millions of people need little more than that? They also get major stability and less spyware and viruses.
Indeed. I think they have to state which lines from System V are in Linux. I'm not expecting millions.
Anyone have an address in Questar? Some Nigerian friends of mine have a business proposition for them.
I agree. The "specific lines of code" bit is great. I don't think it's going to be a very long list.
IBM would be crazy not to follow the SCO case through now. From what I've read on Groklaw, it seems to me that they could probably cut to the chase and close the case up now. I could be really, really wrong, but I get the impression that IBM is happy to let this case get as big and ludicrous as possible and then splat SCO. The result will be that any attempt to pull a similar case will be questioned first. What better than to have the shills print as much crap as possible and then prove it all wrong? Who'll believe them next time.
I thought it was meant to be a seven figure sum. I was thinking about it being in lire, but the italians use the euro now.
Hopefully, his superiors will be calling him, and he'll be telling them how it is, and they'll listen to him. Hopefully IBM will give them some backup too.
Another thing, people don't settle suits unless there's at least a hint of merit in the claims, or that they just feel the case, whether they are in the right or not, will tarnish their corporate image or reveal bad stuff about them. From what I've heard, none of this counts here.
I think they really picked the wrong company here.
So, if people start making noises to the effect of "I'll buy shares in your company if you fight SCO", management may be influenced (and if they win their case, the price would likely go up a bit).
I'm UK so can't deal with this too easy, but maybe Autozone should start selling tux stuff for cars. Heck, even non-Linux people will buy them.
It's pretty much irrelevant. What matters is if a bunch of dumb journalists print it and make a bunch of dumb stockholders/potential Linux convertors think SCO are on to something.
In the SCO case, I wouldn't even say there's any smoke.
I hope everyone ditches EV1 on the principal of not paying some wretched SCO tax. If my ISPs did, I'd drop them immediately.
SCO is more like paying a million bucks to a kid who's trick or treating.
SCO are claiming these add ons as derivative works which according to most people on Groklaw is stretching the term "derivative work".
I would rather buy insurance on the odds of the moon colliding with the earth than buy a SCO license.
I'd say Minority Report was a great Sci-fi movie. Unlike Star Wars which is basically old Errol Flynn stuff with blasters.
I'm not saying that standards of living aren't lower, and yes, I'm glad I live in the UK and not Kenya, but perspective is required.
How much came out after CD? MiniDisc, DAT, DCC - nearly all did no great guns because CD was 'good enough'. People have switched from VHS to DVD replacing libraries of tapes (for me, that was 13 years of VHS). DVD gave a major leap in quality.
Presumably the full benefit of this format will also require updated TVs, and those are really going to cost early on.
No, what I'm basically saying is that you could fix it or report the problem. I didn't cover "or use something else", but that's your choice. If we all want these projects to work, it's helpful to report issues, even if you don't fix them.
You also did not say "I'll go ahead and not use it then" anywhere in your post that I replied to.
But I could also answer it by asking if you've raised the issue or considered what you can do to improve it.
Raise the issues in forums, or even have a peek at the code.
The more problems known with OSS, the better it can be.