I'm not sure if you took me out of context, but what I meant was that this is getting pointless to keep discussing. If you took it as, "well duh, linux is god" then you took it not as I intended.
I actually think it's not so much the people who post, but the people who automatically mod down anti-opensource, and pro microsoft posts. Most of them have never seen open source software in the industry to be fully aware of it's strengths and weaknesses and they're just basing it on their own opinions. I agree with you in that I doubt anyone important in the industry would consider us a bunch of jerks constantly fighting with each other for mod points.
Yeah, when I was thinking of this analogy, I thought of that as the perfect middle ground. However, I have little experience on OSX and no experience on tiptronic transmissions, so I didn't feel right to mention it.
And yes, I do drive a manual:)
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Actually, I did install Mandrake 10.0 and I've used Knoppix 3.4. Mandrake was nice at first, but it's packaging system is horrible if you like to play around with your system. I moved away from mandrake and I'm a happier guy since. To say linux is automatic is making the assumption that someone can install and use it without ending up with some error message that will freak them out. I make that statement based on what I've seen from many people. I still think that for the dumbest of computer users, windows xp is the solution because even though it will work like shit, it will still print and detect their usb pen drive easily. But that's really the hardware manufactures' help, but those dumb users could care less.
I really like linux and how it can be customized, but I'd feel like a dick if I recommended it to someone to try without being their to help them out when some weird error pops up.
Walmart has a horrible history for mistreating it employers and sqeezing all but the sweatshop manufacturers. Most people who shop there are only concerned about saving a few pennies on toothpaste and cheap junk. Electronics is a tough business, but they make it a dirty business.
I tried to go to the link for the paintbrush app. It started to load and I could see it had some java apps loading and it suddenly crashed. This is running on gentoo. Anyone getting the same error?
I guess open source does create jobs! Well, in terms of linux support services. I think a huge area of growth is going to be people with solid knowledge and experience helping companies switch to linux and other open source software.
You should try this: http://packages.gentoo.org/. It's almost all GPL'd freeware and it's only a matter of a command to install. It's much easier than download.com.
Typical linux user response, "you're an idiot." Blaming the user for running this command which the handbook (as in RTFM) says to do is hypocritical. Blame microsoft when some fucktard installs gator, but blame the user when portage screws things up.
I use emerge -p for doing this too, and I'm very cautious because I've read how this command can bork your system. And unless I've manually changed one of those config files myself, I don't know what they all mean or what the differences will make when etc-update changes them. I've heard dispatchconf takes care of this though. But my point is that he did what the manual said, and it borked the system.
Exactly. In linux that would require a root password to let the user know something like that is being altered. So far, I don't see how these measures will protect the user from malicious software they download.
Before SP2, windows was a broken door. Now it's a broken door with a "do not enter" sign.
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Yeah, but you also get internet service. That is at least $120 a year if you count the cheapest provider. These PC's aren't geared for anyone who frequents this site. This idea was meant for people who don't have a PC and can't afford to drop $600 on one. Instead, like cell phones, you pay over time. Yeah, eventually they'll end up paying more, but that's the same with any contract of this type that extends to many other businesses.
That quote sounds bad in that context, but freedom must have limits or else it impedes on other people's freedoms. You shouldn't be free to fly planes in buildings. You shouldn't be free to oppress millions of people. That quote in it's proper context is the foundation of America. Freedom to do as you wish but not hurting others in the process to a point they lose their freedoms.
I saw the headline and I slapped my forehead. I think we have a linux vs windows flamewar about 3 times a week here.
Just equate linux vs windows with car transmissions. Linux is like a manual, it's $300 cheaper, slightly longer learning curve, gives you more control, but the people who get it are unique because they like to drive.
Whatever you use your computer for, just be productive and the issue of operating system becomes irrelevant.
Microsoft isn't the first to offer a discount for certain countries. $40 or $50 over there is probably worth more than $300 here in the US. Microsoft could give it away for $10 and still make a small profit. The goal is not to make money in that respect, but to keep countries locked in to their products. If they start using linux now, they'll never get them back.
This may be slightly off topic, but interesting nonetheless. I just read in the Wall Stree Journal that Windows XP Starter Edition can only run 3 applications at a time.
3 seems a little low when you figure you have to first start up your antivirus program, anti-spyware program, and firewall. And does spyware itself count for software running?
I was just about to mention how many nurses are women until I saw your post. Some majors are just preferred by one sex over the other. It doesn't mean schools should start a huge new politically correct campaign to convince women it's their duty to go into the sciences. People should study what intrests them, schools should leave it at that.
Why are we and the editors assuming this is bad? I'm sure they have people who know the details and have predicted future markets to justify this. Just because one is profitable and one is losing now doesn't mean it will be the same 5 years from now. Hell, if the headline 20 years ago said IBM would sell off it's profitable typewriter business and focus on it's losing computer word processing business would everyone have said it would be stupid?
After all the flood of comp sci majors realized they couldn't make $150,000 with just a degree and no ambition or geeky desire of computers, people stopped choosing that major. A lot of schools were rushing them through and dumbed down the curriculum to get them through. People just chose computer science not because they liked computers, but they thought they'd have an easy job that paid well. The job market became flooded with these people who could maybe use windows and simple programming, but not much else. I've read accounts on slashdot of people saying how many people in their classes could barely use a CLI. I'm happy there are less comp sci majors, it takes away the needless competition facing the good ones.
I'm not sure I'm following. How is that Windows 3.1 wasn't an accepted GUI? Was it because of Word Perfect's market share. Windows 95 compared to Windows 3.1 had a lot of nice features. It was the beginning of pulling away from DOS. But they couldn't just pull away from DOS or else no one would buy their product. Windows 95 compared to Windows XP was horrible buggy shit that never worked.
Simple networking was a lot easier in Windows 95 than windows for workgroups (3.11). You could share any drive and it usually worked right away. I think the windows xp drive sharing went ass backwards, but that's another story.
Windows 95 was an improvement over Windows 3.11, but it didn't compare to MacOS. I think it was cost that prevented mass adoption of Apple hardware, not the friendly GUI.
You're definately right. Computer use now-adays has become web, email, music, movie, p2p, office suite. I use linux at home and windows at work. I really couldn't care which operating system I used because the GUI on top of it all looks the same. Hell, I'm even running one of those cheap looking OSX themes for KDE (Baghira).
I could reboot back into windows and accomplish the same tasks. Windows, Linux, and Mac work nearly the same and a lot of the software for them is clones from other platforms or simply the same program just ported over.
It's definately the geek factor that keeps me on linux. Portage is just so damn run and I love init scripts. But it's hard to recommend linux to anyone who doesn't share the same interests.
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I'm not sure if you took me out of context, but what I meant was that this is getting pointless to keep discussing. If you took it as, "well duh, linux is god" then you took it not as I intended.
I actually think it's not so much the people who post, but the people who automatically mod down anti-opensource, and pro microsoft posts. Most of them have never seen open source software in the industry to be fully aware of it's strengths and weaknesses and they're just basing it on their own opinions. I agree with you in that I doubt anyone important in the industry would consider us a bunch of jerks constantly fighting with each other for mod points.
Yeah, when I was thinking of this analogy, I thought of that as the perfect middle ground. However, I have little experience on OSX and no experience on tiptronic transmissions, so I didn't feel right to mention it.
:)
And yes, I do drive a manual
Actually, I did install Mandrake 10.0 and I've used Knoppix 3.4. Mandrake was nice at first, but it's packaging system is horrible if you like to play around with your system. I moved away from mandrake and I'm a happier guy since. To say linux is automatic is making the assumption that someone can install and use it without ending up with some error message that will freak them out. I make that statement based on what I've seen from many people. I still think that for the dumbest of computer users, windows xp is the solution because even though it will work like shit, it will still print and detect their usb pen drive easily. But that's really the hardware manufactures' help, but those dumb users could care less.
I really like linux and how it can be customized, but I'd feel like a dick if I recommended it to someone to try without being their to help them out when some weird error pops up.
he was hoping for the automatic +5 insightful for using linux. What a dumb ass ;) . They only way you can get that is if you're running gentoo!
Oh, by the way...yeah...I am.
Well said!
Walmart has a horrible history for mistreating it employers and sqeezing all but the sweatshop manufacturers. Most people who shop there are only concerned about saving a few pennies on toothpaste and cheap junk. Electronics is a tough business, but they make it a dirty business.
I tried to go to the link for the paintbrush app. It started to load and I could see it had some java apps loading and it suddenly crashed. This is running on gentoo. Anyone getting the same error?
wife?
I guess open source does create jobs! Well, in terms of linux support services. I think a huge area of growth is going to be people with solid knowledge and experience helping companies switch to linux and other open source software.
You should try this: http://packages.gentoo.org/. It's almost all GPL'd freeware and it's only a matter of a command to install. It's much easier than download.com.
Typical linux user response, "you're an idiot." Blaming the user for running this command which the handbook (as in RTFM) says to do is hypocritical. Blame microsoft when some fucktard installs gator, but blame the user when portage screws things up.
I use emerge -p for doing this too, and I'm very cautious because I've read how this command can bork your system. And unless I've manually changed one of those config files myself, I don't know what they all mean or what the differences will make when etc-update changes them. I've heard dispatchconf takes care of this though. But my point is that he did what the manual said, and it borked the system.
Exactly. In linux that would require a root password to let the user know something like that is being altered. So far, I don't see how these measures will protect the user from malicious software they download.
Before SP2, windows was a broken door. Now it's a broken door with a "do not enter" sign.
Yeah, but you also get internet service. That is at least $120 a year if you count the cheapest provider. These PC's aren't geared for anyone who frequents this site. This idea was meant for people who don't have a PC and can't afford to drop $600 on one. Instead, like cell phones, you pay over time. Yeah, eventually they'll end up paying more, but that's the same with any contract of this type that extends to many other businesses.
That quote sounds bad in that context, but freedom must have limits or else it impedes on other people's freedoms. You shouldn't be free to fly planes in buildings. You shouldn't be free to oppress millions of people. That quote in it's proper context is the foundation of America. Freedom to do as you wish but not hurting others in the process to a point they lose their freedoms.
"I'm John Kerry, and I'm reporting for dinner" John Kerry, August 11, 2004
"Shut up" Teresa Heinz Kerry, August 11, 2004
I saw the headline and I slapped my forehead. I think we have a linux vs windows flamewar about 3 times a week here.
Just equate linux vs windows with car transmissions. Linux is like a manual, it's $300 cheaper, slightly longer learning curve, gives you more control, but the people who get it are unique because they like to drive.
Whatever you use your computer for, just be productive and the issue of operating system becomes irrelevant.
Make sure you pronounce it "pear-a-dig-ehm" and not "pear-a-dime"
Microsoft isn't the first to offer a discount for certain countries. $40 or $50 over there is probably worth more than $300 here in the US. Microsoft could give it away for $10 and still make a small profit. The goal is not to make money in that respect, but to keep countries locked in to their products. If they start using linux now, they'll never get them back.
This may be slightly off topic, but interesting nonetheless. I just read in the Wall Stree Journal that Windows XP Starter Edition can only run 3 applications at a time.
3 seems a little low when you figure you have to first start up your antivirus program, anti-spyware program, and firewall. And does spyware itself count for software running?
I was just about to mention how many nurses are women until I saw your post. Some majors are just preferred by one sex over the other. It doesn't mean schools should start a huge new politically correct campaign to convince women it's their duty to go into the sciences. People should study what intrests them, schools should leave it at that.
I don't know what they're smoking, but I hope they're using the linux kernel source code as rolling papers.
I'm sorry, but what in the world is that supposed to mean? I really don't get this joke.
Why are we and the editors assuming this is bad? I'm sure they have people who know the details and have predicted future markets to justify this. Just because one is profitable and one is losing now doesn't mean it will be the same 5 years from now. Hell, if the headline 20 years ago said IBM would sell off it's profitable typewriter business and focus on it's losing computer word processing business would everyone have said it would be stupid?
After all the flood of comp sci majors realized they couldn't make $150,000 with just a degree and no ambition or geeky desire of computers, people stopped choosing that major. A lot of schools were rushing them through and dumbed down the curriculum to get them through. People just chose computer science not because they liked computers, but they thought they'd have an easy job that paid well. The job market became flooded with these people who could maybe use windows and simple programming, but not much else. I've read accounts on slashdot of people saying how many people in their classes could barely use a CLI. I'm happy there are less comp sci majors, it takes away the needless competition facing the good ones.
I'm not sure I'm following. How is that Windows 3.1 wasn't an accepted GUI? Was it because of Word Perfect's market share. Windows 95 compared to Windows 3.1 had a lot of nice features. It was the beginning of pulling away from DOS. But they couldn't just pull away from DOS or else no one would buy their product. Windows 95 compared to Windows XP was horrible buggy shit that never worked.
Simple networking was a lot easier in Windows 95 than windows for workgroups (3.11). You could share any drive and it usually worked right away. I think the windows xp drive sharing went ass backwards, but that's another story.
Windows 95 was an improvement over Windows 3.11, but it didn't compare to MacOS. I think it was cost that prevented mass adoption of Apple hardware, not the friendly GUI.
You're definately right. Computer use now-adays has become web, email, music, movie, p2p, office suite. I use linux at home and windows at work. I really couldn't care which operating system I used because the GUI on top of it all looks the same. Hell, I'm even running one of those cheap looking OSX themes for KDE (Baghira).
I could reboot back into windows and accomplish the same tasks. Windows, Linux, and Mac work nearly the same and a lot of the software for them is clones from other platforms or simply the same program just ported over.
It's definately the geek factor that keeps me on linux. Portage is just so damn run and I love init scripts. But it's hard to recommend linux to anyone who doesn't share the same interests.