Thanks for that, very clear explaination of what I think is a rational theory. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you would have gotten extra points for citing your sources. I've read a bunch of C. H. Douglas' writings recently and I think he correctly predicted the "infinitely increasing debt" problem very well (No one else even bothers to wonder "why is there more and more debt, even when worldwide GDP is increasing?? Has there been a wordwide hot war since 1950, with the entire world getting carpet bombed, or is there another explaination?"
I still struggle with his ideas of a solution. I think Samuel Konkin might have a better solution (i.e. openbazaar/opentxs), but we're reading Alongside Night right now, just to get around the philosophy a bit better.
This is doable. There are clearly many people who are willing to shell out $50 for much less. The market is there. We need to get an A-team of open project leaders (Andrew "Bunnie" Huang, the guys at Apertus, probably others I can't think of off the top of my head) and get a community around them to crowd-fund and build such a device. It needs a tipping point of network effect as well.
It should be clarified that the west didn't suffer fools, but there was still a lot of community, posses, putting the fool in jail overnight so he could be judged by his peers.
This entire discussion over the wild west seems to have excluded the middle: there is a middle between current "civilization" and people going around shooting anyone in the face who they consider a fool. The wild west was not chaos, in microcosms there were examples of highly functioning anarcho-syndicism
You are a moron. You obviously didn't even read a word of gweihir's link. Did you even click on it? You are far more intellectually dishonest than Rossi has ever been in his life. Just by your 100% stupid comment, which indicates you started shouting amen and hallelujah without even knowing what you were replying to. Idiot. Fanatic. Lunatic.
You're a flaming idiot. Try reading the first page. You clearly didn't even bother reading as far as the summary. Idiot. Fail. To. Read. Please be more intellectually responsible in the future.
It's not. On the very first page of the GP's arxiv.org paper: "Our comments reported here are based on the report as uploaded on arXiv ( http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.3913...) and Elforsk home pages on May 20, 2013 (version 2) [1]. Any possible subsequent updates have not been considered."
Fail. To. Read. GP should be ashamed but not nearly as ashamed as Nemyst and tibit. I too am waiting for some good comments on arXiv to be posted for the latest test. Sadly I'll be ignoring everything these 3 slashdotters have to say on the matter because they are idiots and can't even get their thoughts in the right context.
I agree with your sentiment. My observations have also lead me to believe that generating power is NOT something that higher levels of government will allow local government to participate in/regulate. And larger companies and richer individuals will never allow small local companies and common people make their own energy. I am curious as to the name of this town in Missouri? And surely this story has been repeated all over Michigan and many other midwestern states, but I can't find a central list of such histories (ddg'd and googled for 5 minutes). Can you point us to a good starting point?
Ok I don't know why I should believe AC's theory of hiding in plain sight vs. Edward Snowden (who is pretty vetted, and shown to be a smart cookie and trustworthy to boot). Further, he's not asking paranoid people only to avoid these services, he's using the time period when non-nerds around the world are shocked and horrified to encourage a move to better tools and more privacy. Perhaps even starting a move to federated and decentralized, multi-company, multi-platform communication tools. Think email, IRC, BBS and USEnet for the 21st century. And for everyone.
TL;DR: Hopefully using better, more "real internet" communications with encryption won't be a hallmark of people with things to hide, but all of us. It's about good citizenry.
Never heard of the guy but his gulf song (among others) is really good. If you're a pretentious music asshole like me, then you should look it up. This guy has a really good ear for music. I hope he doesn't wreck it on dubstep.
You're right. Nice post, you sent me on a dig around ddg. Would this be a work around? It's a browser plugin that uses GPG web of trust to check certificates peer to peer. I don't know if this plugin actually works, but I think the idea is brilliant!
Thank you for being so succinct and so correct! Just waiting for trolls to show up waving their arms about you being an "Ayn Rand worshiper" and your delusional libertarian fantasies. Personally I wish their energy was spent working to restore and retain democracy. "A republic, madam, if you can keep it"
I love the fundraiser and wish the best of luck. I'm a bit frustrated by the timing... I went to donate but it didn't want to go through the first time (non-US card, sometimes I need to call them up) and sadly you've timed it to end on a Friday when all the banks etc. are closed!!! So regretfully no contribution from me... I'll do it on Tuesday when the banks re-open, but will I still be able to get the t-shirt, 3d-printed logo, stickers and a Thank GNU?
So you mean that in this situation, the party that actually produces something and provides value (a browser and open internet experience) has the upper hand over google who is just a rentier (a very monopolistic middle man, but a middleman nonetheless)? Who woulda thunk!!!! Does the rest of the world work like this? Do the producers eventually overcome the rentiers every time, on a long enough timescale?? (Invoke betteridge's law *here*)
The link to the text "virulently opposed to Proposition 8" has nothing do with backing the claim that behaved "virulently". Weasel words: score -1 for the summary.
Ok you clicked the link and read it. But let's consider the blog post a bit closer:
we do not generally take a position on issues outside of our field, especially not social issues
.....
We hope that California voters will vote no on Proposition 8
So... it's a bit like your grandpa who never talks about the war. And then during a big family meal, people are talking about abortion and assisted suicide. He gets up and starts out with "I never talk about the war" but then launches into a tirade about hitlers death camps (just saving time for us both here), describes them first-hand, and then posits his opinion that they were the logical conclusion of eugenics in general.
That's pretty dramatic. Sorry, I couldn't think of a car analogy. But from what I can see, google is swinging a huge amount of weight and being very strongly opinionated about a highly nuanced subject. At least companies like Redhat and Mozilla have enough sense to keep out of such discussions! They and their ilk are the only ones that get my money.
Yes. He had good argument. You reply with emotional babble usually reserved for talking heads and politicians. When we throw out all logic and start whinging "think of the children", then society does indeed crumble and children suffer en masse
Hey thanks for being cool. My business has recently gotten to the point where I don't have time to make a reprap and probably do have the money to buy a top-end consumer printer but I have refused to give a penny of my money to Bre Pettis.So I'll probably be buying a TAZ 3.0 to start.
It sounds like you have a cool team and I hope you can keep them reminded that in the long run your vision and goals will pay off much better in the long run compared to pulling a Bre and being a total dick. I'm just so fucking happy that he and Makerbot and Stratysys never got a penny of my money. There are a lot of guys like me in major centres around the world who grew up on linux and gcc and RMS who are becoming cash rich and time poor, especially since there are so fucking few companies to give our money to. I just bought 3 jollas for laughs and giggles and they would certainly have more of my custom if they were actually pushing for open hardware. Neo900 has a lot of my money and they will get more in the coming year.
So there's a lot of money to be made in open hardware, if you're able to convince your board members and investors etc to continue being patient. The word will get out. You will have the last laugh. Bre Pettis will be an anathema for years to come and Moe will be a name up there with Torvalds, if you keep with the attitude it seems you portray.
Please mod parent up. Self-hosting is a very important point, it was the second part of my thinking in adopting the new firefox account last month, but I forgot to mention it in my earlier post. The other cool thing about self-hosting it is that organizations can perhaps have internal social bookmarking (which could be awesome for dev teams and ops teams). You'd just have to extend the firefox accounts server with the social features which would enhance colaboration
Self hosting FTW:D I currently have all my bookmarks stored in the owncloud bookmark toolbar but until the improvs i've ordered actually get shipped I don't have a good embedded device to run my owncloud on and the raspberry pi that's currently hosting owncloud is a little slow. Firefox accounts just makes it easier, and I will be able to self host it on my improv or whatever. To the GP, can you tell me what hardware you're using to self host? I've found the raspberry pi unacceptably slow (but I need to give seafile another shot) so I'm considering buying a beagleboard if the improv never ships:( Anyone using a parallela to self-host?
personally i'm signing up for firefox accounts. yah, i trust them more than google. no, not because they run around yelling "we're not evil", but because i admire their mission statement and purpose and they have stayed true to it. unixy in a way. firefox is a jewel in the free software crown and for that i will trust them with my bookmarks.
There are efforts underway in the community to support schools and teachers in doing exactly that. So if you agree with the sentiments of the parent poster, please help out! Encourage anyone you know who can read and write to help out as well!
Slashdot Mirror
how are you the only guy on here that even mentioned ddg and other alternatives? slashdot has gone way downhill lately.
Thanks for that, very clear explaination of what I think is a rational theory. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you would have gotten extra points for citing your sources. I've read a bunch of C. H. Douglas' writings recently and I think he correctly predicted the "infinitely increasing debt" problem very well (No one else even bothers to wonder "why is there more and more debt, even when worldwide GDP is increasing?? Has there been a wordwide hot war since 1950, with the entire world getting carpet bombed, or is there another explaination?"
I still struggle with his ideas of a solution. I think Samuel Konkin might have a better solution (i.e. openbazaar/opentxs), but we're reading Alongside Night right now, just to get around the philosophy a bit better.
You can build or buy a 100% open source one. Note: I have no affiliation with the project. Been in my bookmarks for a week or so.
This is doable. There are clearly many people who are willing to shell out $50 for much less. The market is there. We need to get an A-team of open project leaders (Andrew "Bunnie" Huang, the guys at Apertus, probably others I can't think of off the top of my head) and get a community around them to crowd-fund and build such a device. It needs a tipping point of network effect as well.
It should be clarified that the west didn't suffer fools, but there was still a lot of community, posses, putting the fool in jail overnight so he could be judged by his peers.
This entire discussion over the wild west seems to have excluded the middle: there is a middle between current "civilization" and people going around shooting anyone in the face who they consider a fool. The wild west was not chaos, in microcosms there were examples of highly functioning anarcho-syndicism
Thank you.
You are a moron. You obviously didn't even read a word of gweihir's link. Did you even click on it? You are far more intellectually dishonest than Rossi has ever been in his life. Just by your 100% stupid comment, which indicates you started shouting amen and hallelujah without even knowing what you were replying to. Idiot. Fanatic. Lunatic.
Except you obviously didn't read any of it. Idiot.
You're a flaming idiot. Try reading the first page. You clearly didn't even bother reading as far as the summary. Idiot. Fail. To. Read. Please be more intellectually responsible in the future.
It's not. On the very first page of the GP's arxiv.org paper: "Our comments reported here are based on the report as uploaded on arXiv ( http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.3913...) and Elforsk home pages on May 20, 2013 (version 2) [1]. Any possible subsequent updates have not been considered." Fail. To. Read. GP should be ashamed but not nearly as ashamed as Nemyst and tibit. I too am waiting for some good comments on arXiv to be posted for the latest test. Sadly I'll be ignoring everything these 3 slashdotters have to say on the matter because they are idiots and can't even get their thoughts in the right context.
I agree with your sentiment. My observations have also lead me to believe that generating power is NOT something that higher levels of government will allow local government to participate in/regulate. And larger companies and richer individuals will never allow small local companies and common people make their own energy. I am curious as to the name of this town in Missouri? And surely this story has been repeated all over Michigan and many other midwestern states, but I can't find a central list of such histories (ddg'd and googled for 5 minutes). Can you point us to a good starting point?
Ok I don't know why I should believe AC's theory of hiding in plain sight vs. Edward Snowden (who is pretty vetted, and shown to be a smart cookie and trustworthy to boot). Further, he's not asking paranoid people only to avoid these services, he's using the time period when non-nerds around the world are shocked and horrified to encourage a move to better tools and more privacy. Perhaps even starting a move to federated and decentralized, multi-company, multi-platform communication tools. Think email, IRC, BBS and USEnet for the 21st century. And for everyone.
TL;DR: Hopefully using better, more "real internet" communications with encryption won't be a hallmark of people with things to hide, but all of us. It's about good citizenry.
Never heard of the guy but his gulf song (among others) is really good. If you're a pretentious music asshole like me, then you should look it up. This guy has a really good ear for music. I hope he doesn't wreck it on dubstep.
You're right. Nice post, you sent me on a dig around ddg. Would this be a work around? It's a browser plugin that uses GPG web of trust to check certificates peer to peer. I don't know if this plugin actually works, but I think the idea is brilliant!
Monkey Sphere
Thank you for being so succinct and so correct! Just waiting for trolls to show up waving their arms about you being an "Ayn Rand worshiper" and your delusional libertarian fantasies. Personally I wish their energy was spent working to restore and retain democracy. "A republic, madam, if you can keep it"
I love the fundraiser and wish the best of luck. I'm a bit frustrated by the timing... I went to donate but it didn't want to go through the first time (non-US card, sometimes I need to call them up) and sadly you've timed it to end on a Friday when all the banks etc. are closed!!! So regretfully no contribution from me ... I'll do it on Tuesday when the banks re-open, but will I still be able to get the t-shirt, 3d-printed logo, stickers and a Thank GNU?
So you mean that in this situation, the party that actually produces something and provides value (a browser and open internet experience) has the upper hand over google who is just a rentier (a very monopolistic middle man, but a middleman nonetheless)? Who woulda thunk!!!! Does the rest of the world work like this? Do the producers eventually overcome the rentiers every time, on a long enough timescale?? (Invoke betteridge's law *here*)
Sorry what I meant to say was mod parent up.
The link to the text "virulently opposed to Proposition 8" has nothing do with backing the claim that behaved "virulently". Weasel words: score -1 for the summary.
Ok you clicked the link and read it. But let's consider the blog post a bit closer:
we do not generally take a position on issues outside of our field, especially not social issues
We hope that California voters will vote no on Proposition 8
So ... it's a bit like your grandpa who never talks about the war. And then during a big family meal, people are talking about abortion and assisted suicide. He gets up and starts out with "I never talk about the war" but then launches into a tirade about hitlers death camps (just saving time for us both here), describes them first-hand, and then posits his opinion that they were the logical conclusion of eugenics in general.
That's pretty dramatic. Sorry, I couldn't think of a car analogy. But from what I can see, google is swinging a huge amount of weight and being very strongly opinionated about a highly nuanced subject. At least companies like Redhat and Mozilla have enough sense to keep out of such discussions! They and their ilk are the only ones that get my money.
Yes. He had good argument. You reply with emotional babble usually reserved for talking heads and politicians. When we throw out all logic and start whinging "think of the children", then society does indeed crumble and children suffer en masse
Hey thanks for being cool. My business has recently gotten to the point where I don't have time to make a reprap and probably do have the money to buy a top-end consumer printer but I have refused to give a penny of my money to Bre Pettis.So I'll probably be buying a TAZ 3.0 to start.
It sounds like you have a cool team and I hope you can keep them reminded that in the long run your vision and goals will pay off much better in the long run compared to pulling a Bre and being a total dick. I'm just so fucking happy that he and Makerbot and Stratysys never got a penny of my money. There are a lot of guys like me in major centres around the world who grew up on linux and gcc and RMS who are becoming cash rich and time poor, especially since there are so fucking few companies to give our money to. I just bought 3 jollas for laughs and giggles and they would certainly have more of my custom if they were actually pushing for open hardware. Neo900 has a lot of my money and they will get more in the coming year.
So there's a lot of money to be made in open hardware, if you're able to convince your board members and investors etc to continue being patient. The word will get out. You will have the last laugh. Bre Pettis will be an anathema for years to come and Moe will be a name up there with Torvalds, if you keep with the attitude it seems you portray.
Please mod parent up. Self-hosting is a very important point, it was the second part of my thinking in adopting the new firefox account last month, but I forgot to mention it in my earlier post. The other cool thing about self-hosting it is that organizations can perhaps have internal social bookmarking (which could be awesome for dev teams and ops teams). You'd just have to extend the firefox accounts server with the social features which would enhance colaboration
:D I currently have all my bookmarks stored in the owncloud bookmark toolbar but until the improvs i've ordered actually get shipped I don't have a good embedded device to run my owncloud on and the raspberry pi that's currently hosting owncloud is a little slow. Firefox accounts just makes it easier, and I will be able to self host it on my improv or whatever. To the GP, can you tell me what hardware you're using to self host? I've found the raspberry pi unacceptably slow (but I need to give seafile another shot) so I'm considering buying a beagleboard if the improv never ships :( Anyone using a parallela to self-host?
Self hosting FTW
personally i'm signing up for firefox accounts. yah, i trust them more than google. no, not because they run around yelling "we're not evil", but because i admire their mission statement and purpose and they have stayed true to it. unixy in a way. firefox is a jewel in the free software crown and for that i will trust them with my bookmarks.
There are efforts underway in the community to support schools and teachers in doing exactly that. So if you agree with the sentiments of the parent poster, please help out! Encourage anyone you know who can read and write to help out as well!
It is. Fuck beta.
hmm lets do a test then. capitalism would dictate that a bunch of well-paid geeks would be able to vote with their feet.... aww fuck this
fuck beta