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Firefox Signs Five-Year Deal With Yahoo, Drops Google as Default Search Engine
mpicpp writes with news that Yahoo will soon become the default search engine in Firefox. Google's 10-year run as Firefox's default search engine is over. Yahoo wants more search traffic, and a deal with Mozilla will bring it. In a major departure for both Mozilla and Yahoo, Firefox's default search engine is switching from Google to Yahoo in the United States. "I'm thrilled to announce that we've entered into a five-year partnership with Mozilla to make Yahoo the default search experience on Firefox across mobile and desktop," Yahoo Chief Executive Marissa Mayer said in a blog post Wednesday. "This is the most significant partnership for Yahoo in five years." The change will come to Firefox users in the US in December, and later Yahoo will bring that new "clean, modern and immersive search experience" to all Yahoo search users. In another part of the deal, Yahoo will support the Do Not Track technology for Firefox users, meaning that it will respect users' preferences not to be tracked for advertising purposes. With millions of users who perform about 100 billion searches a year, Firefox is a major source of the search traffic that's Google's bread and butter. Some of those searches produce search ads, and Mozilla has been funded primarily from a portion of that revenue that Google shares. In 2012, the most recent year for which figures are available, that search revenue brought in the lion's share of Mozilla's $311 million in revenue.
Bing!
still better than bing
Let's see if Yahoo can use the additional funds to improve their search quality, then maybe we can have at least two choices for each search (not counting metasearch engines).
I switch the default on every install anyway, so ... *shrug*
Once upon a time, when we talked about things like "Web Portals," and people knew who Jerry Yang was, Yahoo! was cool, and offered a lot of useful curating and information. Also some good times playing hearts and backgammon on Yahoo! games.
Then there was babel fish.
Then there was Google beta.
Then Deja News was no more.
And now Yahoo! is cool again?
Really? Yahoo? Why not BING?
So if two listing, burning ships strap themselves together, do they float better? Or do they just sink faster? It seems to me that if your browser market-share is dropping and you're losing relevance, the best move is probably not to attach yourself to a search engine whose market share and relevance were lost years ago.
I am a geek attorney, but not your geek attorney unless you've already retained me. This is not legal advice.
It will be hard for anyone here to assess this move. Having not used Yahoo! search for a long time, I have no idea about the quality of their search results. It is even less clear whether the typical Mozilla user will care about any possible differences, or the extent to which Mozilla users might change browsers because of this
If I had to guess, I'd say that very few people choose their brower based on the default search engine, and therefore very few will change browers because of this. If the userbase is really fixed then Mozilla should try to maximize their revenue by letting Yahoo! and Google bid for the rights.
Now that Google has every reason to crush Firefox, what is Mozilla's market share going to be in 2019? I sense a poll coming up.
I just don't even know how to feel right now...
I agree that the Google being both a competitor and (until now) a sponsor is the major consideration here, not the quality of search results. The question is whether Google really are more motivated to support Mozilla when they are getting revenue from browser searches than when they aren't. Quite possibly the Mozilla Foundation concluded that Google would compete with them in any case.
Yahoo won me back as my primary email when I felt my gmail was violating my privacy, and adding bloat I never asked for. Something felt wrong about it.
I looked and Yahoo was the only one that still seemed to be human.
At least they didn't choose DuckDuckGo - one of the worst search engines I've ever used.
You're right, but probably Microsoft wasn't interested in paying them while Yahoo! was.
Who uses the default search engine anyway?
firefox is trying to go the way of Netscape navigator. Getting more irreverent with each month that passes. Went Chrome years ago and have not looked back.
Interesting that more companies are moving away form Google. A couple months ago, RealNetworks (ya, reliable I know) changed it's default 2nd party offer from Google / Chrome to Ask. (Fun for the day: use Ask search and search for Ask toolbar ... examine the results).
... Google works fine. However ... frequently Google will substitute terms (that don't belong), add obvious sales links (that don't apply), or have a referral to a second level search (which has always useless: best example is returning searches for an items from eBay -- if I wanted eBay I would search eBay). Google's image search(method) is much better than Bing's ... but is there a viable option "B" general text / info search?
For me, it is getting harder to use Google search, especially if I want to search for more than two words. For simple searches
I don't think Yahoo actually wants to be a search engine. I think they just want people to look at their ads.
By partnering with a browser: they can run searches through Google's servers but strip the Google Adword adds and replace them with Yahoo Ads. The best part is Google has to pay the electricity bill for the datacenter and Yahoo can fire their entire search engine team and stick to their core competency: adding zero value(rather than their negative value proposition as a search engine.
Mozilla users shouldn't care as long as the difference in appearance is transparent to them and Yahoo doesn't start fucking up the Google brand by "cutting" the blue magic. If Yahoo get's greedy and can't keep it in their pants with nearly equal revenues to Google(and no operating expenses) then they deserve to fail.
"At least they didn't choose DuckDuckGo - I love the google anal probe too much"
For that matter, people still use Yahoo for searches?
Definitely not "dead easy", but quite doable if you are only somewhat technical and sufficiently intrepid.
This appears to me to be very intentional as it will appease those who actually care (such as /. readers) and (like /. readers) capable of both finding (via google, of course) and implementing the change and also capable of both understanding and ignoring the very creepy warnings about damaging the browser functionality. (In other words, a tiny portion of Firefox users.)
I use Firefox for Ghostery and Noflash and also don't like being dictated to about which search engine I use.
- Leonard
why would you want your employees OFF of Firefox. What else would you have them use?
Chrome? I don't know about you but I HATE chrome on my networks. People bring in all kinds of stuff. They have all the major browser hijacks at home, it autoinstalls the toolbars/searchengines and what not at work too. fun.
IE? Do we need to discuss IE? lolz
I'm to the point, especially with the amount of malware coming through via ads, to push everyone ONTO Firefox and adblock.
If your CEO is so easily pissed off, he can't change his search engine, like in IE, I imagine your life is hell.
In other news, Libre browesers like icecat, Iceweasel, and Abrowser offer search engines.like DuckDuckGo and Blekko. Wolfram Alpha comes in handy on ocassion. You don't have to live in a Google/Yahoo!/Bing! world. May myriads of search engines bloom in a more diverse interweb.
"SO we bide our time, waiting for a purer kick to bloom and the future is still bleak, uncertain and beautiful" -GSYBE
There, fixed that title for you /. editors
I switched my default search to ddg about 6 months ago. The results aren't as good as google, but 90% of the time it's good enough. Google is bookmarked when I need it.
Then again I use Chrome, don't remember exactly why but Firefox pissed me off enough to make the change about 2 years ago.
That this change just gave me the leverage I needed to take all of our employees of FireFox.
I think you and your company have misunderstood the change. Nothing is stopping you using a different search engine. Firefox's default search engine has been Google, but I haven't used Google for search in a long time. Just use the search engine selector to switch search engines in Firefox or just go to the search engine's website directly.
Who cares which search company Mozilla gets revenue from? The last deal they negotiated with Google was for about a billion dollars over three years, which Mozilla was able to secure because Microsoft and Yahoo were bidding against Google to be the default search option. I imagine this time Yahoo was able to top Google's offer by either offering more money per annum or a similar figure per annum over a longer period of time.
Oh mobile /., how useful a preview comment would be
Google was paying Mozilla before for traffic driven their way, that will presumably end now.
So if I'm using Firefox and switch back to Google (because I don't want to use reskinned Bing), Mozilla won't be getting anything anymore.
-- "So they told me that using the download page to download something was not something they anticipated." - Bill Gates
I use Firefox in preference to Chrome because of the superior and more permissive add on ecosystem, fine grained JavaScript controls, better tools for privacy protection and better (yes, really) memory management for my browsing habits.
Just the fact that I can have hassle free ad blocking on Android makes it worthy of consideration.
-- I wanna decide who lives and who dies - Crow T. Robot, MST3K
I liked BabelFish...
English -> English was my first proxy back in school ;-P
People who use Chrome are like AOL users. Like wearing a t-shirt which says "I'm an idiot". Thank you for that. You are an idiot for using software by an ad broker which sells you as a product.
It redirects to zoo.com now, metacrawler used to be a cool search tool.
As if changing the default search engine in firefox isn't as trivial as picking a new one off the drop-down menu and leaving it.
If you are even remotely serious, your CEO is a fool for letting such an ideological numbnut like yourself dictate such decisions based on emotion instead of technical knowledge that even a 5-year old can figure out. Yes, my 5-year old daughter changed her default search engine in firefox, how come you can't?
So Mozilla goes for funding sources other than Google and your CEO gets pissed off? Sounds to me like your CEO is irrational and you had a bone to pick with Mozilla (over some perceived, but nonexistent, slight against you.)
<tt>This is great. I was looking for a reason to switch back to Firefox.</tt>
The World is Yours.
But I think Google cut Mozilla out of some revenue sharing thing. It doesn't look like there was much choice.
This is not the case... I was the internal meeting at Mozilla earlier today, and it was made very clear that all options (including Google) had stronger economic terms (than the current deal).
So it wasn't because Google cut Mozilla out.
See the official announcement too:
https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/...
Personally, I see how this can only foster more competition, less monoculture and thus a better web.
Then Netscape said to Firefox: "You and me, we've got nowhere to go but up!"
I feel bad for them. Unless you are particularly Google-averse, you are going to switch any web browser defaults to Google search. Most people that download Firefox are savvy enough to change their search providers. Unless Google were not willing to extend the partnership, this is probably a grave error. I hope they negotiated an out clause, or a separate revenue sharing agreement for those that switch Search Providers.
it's terrifying to think of a windbag like you being in charge of people. you could blow up a blimp faster than rush limbaugh.
Your CEO cares enough about the search engine setting in browsers to be pissed off but isn't smart enough to know how to change it? Sounds like a fascinating company...
I live ze unknown. I love ze unknown. I am ze unknown.
I've been using Linux Mint lately, and fucking up my system royally. So I've had to fall back on the LiveUSB installation to repair the system. Mint doesn't get a financial kickback from Google, so they ship Yahoo! as the default search engine instead. This has led me, by accident, to use Yahoo! a few times when looking for information.
I'm not saying that I would rather gouge my eyes out with a spoon than use Yahoo! search; that wouldn't make my system boot. Was it worth it to continually type in 'google' and hit Ctrl+Enter before entering a search query? Yes, every single time, and I deeply regretted each lapse in memory. The only reason Firefox might care about Google is if they care about the quality of their search results.
For me, as a web developer, even though the built-in tools in Chrome and Firefox have come a long way since 2006, I still prefer debugging in Firebug, and installing Adblock Plus, NoScript, and Tree Style Tabs. Firefox is my web browser of choice. However, Google is still my search engine of choice, and having one without the other is a serious issue for me. I hope that I will remember every time to go to google.com when I need to search for information, but every time I forget, I am sure that I will curse this deal.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
I've used Firefox for a long time now but it seems like Mozilla is doing everything it can to drive me to another browser. Ads, Yahoo/Bing, playing politics with their CEOs, these things annoy me. I've fought against moving to Chrome but it's getting harder and harder to avoid the switch.
Note the specific language being used.
"Yahoo will support the Do Not Track technology for Firefox users, meaning that it will respect users' preferences not to be tracked for advertising purposes."
The Do Not Track tag clearly specifies that the user does not want to be tracked. However, Yahoo is twisting its meaning such that the user is not tracked for advertising purposes. Two very different things. Unfortunately, despite considerable effort, there is no standardized meaning for Do Not Track. All too often, corporations invent new meanings for those simple three words in order to continue making a profit by tracking users who have explicitly indicated not wanting to be tracked. So much for notice and choice.
Firefox sucks.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
If you run a restaurant, and you serve soft drinks, you can serve Coca-Cola Products or Pepsi products.
Many years ago (before 1997) some restaurant chains objected to Pepsi products because Pepsi owned restaurant chains including Pizza Hut and KFC, and cross promoted its drinks with the restaurants.
Back then Pepsi would pay restaurants to use their products in stead of Coke. So they were able to overcome some of the competitive objections to using their products. Coke never paid.
In the late 90s, Pepsi solved the problem by a corporate separation of the restaurants and the drinks. The restaurant company is now called Yum! Brands. I assume they stopped paying restaurants to take their products.
To me Google vs Yahoo resembles the Coke vs. Pepsi situation. And, it is just as important.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
Default...
Easy enough to change it back to Google.
Let me predict the future a little here. Yahoo will realize that everyone with a brain, aka a portion of Firefox users, will immediately switch to Google as the default. That will be followed by either Mozilla locking it in and dropping to 0.0001% market share or Yahoo pulling out because it's not profitable and Google not taking them back, resulting in a drop to 0.0001% market share due to the company self destructing.
oh wait, doh!
What's sad is that Chrome for Android only has 9.51% instead of nearly 100%. The default "Android Web browser" is useless.
Get free satoshi (Bitcoin) and Dogecoins
chrome is great if you don't care about privacy.
Firefox, with its marketing deals and in-browser ads is no longer "it". It would be great to have an independent project driver by developer enthusiasm rather than anyone's business needs. Linux kernel and many other projects manage that somehow. Only then the software can do uncompromisingly right things for users and web developers. Why silently pick one search engine when query can be submitted to several in parallel and user given a quick tool to compare results?
On developer side, we need a truly great and modern language rather then ever more arcane Javascript libraries and optimization engines.
I like to use firefox so that I can stress-test my system by having processes leak memory and balloon up to 1.4 GB in memory usage...
You would think Mozilla would have fixed this by now - this happens regularly with nothing installed aside from flash & noscript.
Why would Google want to crush Firefox? What motive does it have?
Firefox is an open-source browser that poses zero threat to any of Google's businesses. It can't be used in the same way IE was to limit competition. There will always be some people who aren't using Chrome. If they can't have everyone using Chrome, the next best thing is putting Google on as many browsers as possible. Chrome is all about making it easier for people to use their services, the browser itself is not that important.
A good chunk of Firefox user are people who've had it installed for them before Chrome existed and have just stuck with it. These are the kinds of people who would use the Firefox default search without noticing a change. Firefox still has ~20% market share, it might make a difference.
Have you ever used the mobile version of Firefox? It's complete and utter bloated, slow crap, that's why nobody wants it.
Opera may be shit on the desktop now, but their mobile browser is the lightest, fastest one out there currently.
DuckDuckGo reportedly uses the Russian search engine Yandex as its back end. Is there an advantage to using DuckDuckGo over just using Yandex directly?
If I mistype, so be it tell me so. It is usually one character so is easier to fix then look through the garbage from the search engine.
I go out of my way to complicate the simple things, so that I can simplify the complicated things.
So if two listing, burning ships strap themselves together, do they float better?
yes they become a ghetto catamaran.
But make sure they're aligned properly when you tie them together. Otherwise, you end up with not a catamaran but a katamari, which doesn't float quite as well.
That's a poor decision on Mozilla's part.
I still use Firefox primarily, and most IT people I know do the same. Chrome is glorified IE that runs in Linux too.. big whoop I don't wanna use it because I have very little trust for Google or MS. Opera is my 2nd favorite, but can be bothersome for certain tasks. Firefox used to be a friendly thing for Google, but Google now pushes their own browser..their prerogative, I don't mean that as an insult.
So Firefox defaults to Yahoo.. no biggie. I can turn that off as easily as I can change IE to something other than Bing. If I could not do that, it would be a problem.. as it is.. it's just a minor inconvenience I'm willing to accept. If they fund Firefox better, so be it. Yahoo's their own company too and can make their own choice (though I won't use them either, except for burner test accounts)
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
The other thing I hate about the mobile version of Firefox is that it puts the page title in the location bar, so I can't really tell what site I'm on. Title's can lie, I want to see the actual address. On mobile, I use Dolphin Browser. It works pretty good for the most part, some minor issues, but I can still watch flash videos with it on the newer android devices. It also isn't Chrome, I agree about the privacy issue... they all might have issues, but phoning everything home to Google is too creepy for me.
-- I ignore anonymous replies to my comments and postings.
is that this is true:
"This is the most significant partnership for Yahoo in five years."
tone
Been using Dolphin for 3 years on my Tab 2 and Tab 4, Chrome never worked right for me though it's my PC browser on desktop, latop and Netbook. Yes, I still use my Asus EEE on occasion. The new Dolphin home screen stays put as well, why does Google have to keep shuffling everything, are they big LMFAO fans?
The plugins are indeed dynamically loaded libraries that need to be compiled for the same architecture as the browser itself in order to be loaded.
Why can't a 64-bit Firefox communicate with a 32-bit plugin-container.exe?
Firefox's default search engine is switching from Google to Yahoo in the United States.
So clearly, Firefox have agreed on $$$$$$ sum from Yahoo.
My question is, considering the project is "open source", who receives the money?
Wait, no love for webcrawler? Ask Jeeves?
Imagine everyone loving everyone, love in the air, peace. It's possible in our lifetime. All we need is one cross platform development environment! The web! But no. Alas. It is not to be. We will live in a fractured universe for the rest of our life. Get your guns out and start shooting!
Went to install Dolphin but declined upon seeing the permissions required. I don't want a browser to have access to so much on my device... is there another option I'm not seeing?
Firefox on Android has got really good in the past year or so, I use it exclusively now. The only issue, and this rarely comes up, is that really heavy javascript sites can get sluggish.
Of course Yahoo is cool. They just sucked in millions because of a bet that had nothing at all to do with current leadership. Marissa has the rest of her career to play with with no consequence.
That said, I'm very happy to see Google get a poke in the eye. Search results is their one trick pony. Attempting to build a secondary business on top of all the mostly idle infrastructure a la Amazon will not work out for them in the long run.
Maybe CEOs are banding together after what happened to Mozilla's CEO.
I thought mozilla was not for profit, so who's getting the money ? Then whats next, suggested (sponsored ) web pages, killing extensions like ad blockers and more annoyances. It just takes a second to say make chrome the default browser.
Well, given that I haven't used Yahoo for anything except yellow pages (and even that rarely) for ten years, I ask the question:
Will Yahoo even survive the five year run of this contract?
It's really quite a simple choice: Life, Death, or Los Angeles.
"why would you want your employees OFF of Firefox. What else would you have them use?"
Something that has some actual STEADY (and not continually dropping like a rock) usage.
Also, Firefox, one tab open, freshly-loaded after reboot. 415MB RAM usage. The bloat they add into the starting of the page, making you wait essentially 2-3 seconds before you can type anything in the URL bar; fuck that too.
they have simply gone AWAY from anything they were. And it absolutely fucking sucks.
We'll use Chromium instead, and ignore Google's own offering.
It's not like 10 employees is going to make a difference, but the same options FireFox has are available for Chromium, at far less bloat, and lower resource usage.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
While Google may suck due to localization of search results, making me do more than I need to is an annoyance, and this finally got to my boss when he read that.
It's only 10 employees. Nobody's really gonna care, but I'm glad. Firefox is slowly but surely moving away from proper standards support. Chrome, Safari, IE11/10/8 even IE6 displays my website properly. Firefox? Bidding buttons are half-in half-out of their auction box with this latest update. They're fucking off.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
You must really suck at reading comprehension.
'Finally gave me leverage'. That implies there's also a WHOLE OTHER SLEW OF BULLSHIT BEFOREHAND.
But AC's aren't very bright, so I'll forgive your ignorance. Not.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
I love your lack of critical thinking. Very unfitting of someone with your UID.
Re-read my statement, think a little harder. There's a key word in there that you're either ignoring or attributing a wrong meaning to. I know which word it is, let's see if you can figure it out.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
dont worry about yahoo , they have fuckload of money. be happy , an open source project like firefox really need this money.
Yahoo doesn't have a search engine. They resell Bing. Yahoo got out of search five years ago. So this is puzzling. One could see Bing paying to be the default in Firefox, but what's the gain in running it through Yahoo?
Not one comment about the strategy of using different search engines per country.
I am another happy user with Firefox on Android. I haven't noticed important issues and I like more the browsing controls on Firefox (open new tabs, going back and forward, closing tabs) than other navigators.
Mod me down to hell if you want, but I remember when Yahoo was the big search engine. I remember seeing a friend's PC doing the smooth transitions because he had win 95's fun pack or something, and he was using Yahoo (and I kept telling him to use hotbot)
(I was still using OS/2 at the time with with win 3.11 wfw)
I've got better things to do tonight than die.
In this case the real search engine on Yahoo is Bing. It will surely be 5 more years and Bing would be interested in keeping this deal going. And don't forget that Yahoo has been in talks to be bought by Microsoft before.
Lots count of their security problems, and they took days to fix HeartBleed. Yes, this move makes perfect sense. I am not entirely sure it makes a sound business decision, or it is the last coffin in the nail for me in what respects firefox. Dickheads.
The other thing I hate about the mobile version of Firefox is that it puts the page title in the location bar, so I can't really tell what site I'm on...
Same here.
Believe it or not, there's actually a preference for this. It's under "Settings... Display ... Title Bar".
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
I was so with you until you mentioned better memory management.
Despite what Firefox folks say about improved memory handling, it is still a huge hog.
Even then, it is my browser of choice for the other reasons you mentioned.
Or something like that. Yahoo get's more search, Firefox users get their privacy respected.
Thank you, Bradley Manning, Edward Snowden and so many others, for courageously defending humanity, my freedom and more!
No. That's why this deal that might attract a few percent of the approximately five Firefox users left is labelled the most important deal for Yahoo in years.
If you guys keep it up it's going to be Nozilla. That was how the Godzilla movie played out, I wanted a lot Mozilla.
When 95% of searches are done through Google. Its very sad that Firefox does not even make a deal with #2 Bing but with Yahoo. Barely a blip on the search
statistic. But I guess these days Yahoo search and Firefox go together. I doubt Mozilla will see nearly the revenue from the Yahoo deal as Google.
I look for Mozilla to sell out more users privacy as it tries to obtain a better revenue stream. I really am sad to see Firefox go down in flames like this. But again it seems being open source is not a good means to success. You have to have big dollars and big revenue support and the end user simply has never fully supported open source with their wallets.
My default browser is firefox and sometimes i use chrome and rarely i use opera. Firefox is slower and buggier than chrome, it memory leaks, flash is buggy and crashes and slower, clearly inferior to chrome, search is slower. The only reason i stay with firefox is all my crap is on there, it doesnt log every piece of data as far as im aware like chrome does. I also have used all the browsers on android and firefox is fine for me on it. I use an ipad and use only safari, its pretty decent, i wouldnt install chrome on it despite safari not allowing you to block googles ads outside of chrome. This is mostly because chrome tracks everything, and i think there should be competition. However yahoo jumping over to firefox instead of google search is backwards for firefox. Firefox wants more users, not less, and its just another reason for average user not to use firefox. Not everyone wants to piss around in the settings to change it. Its a huge fail. Firefox needs to add google chrome style predictive search bar, speed up their flash/html5 if possible, and they would be getting closer to being level with chrome, and of course not using yahoo search.
Firefox has long displayed an absolutely horrible focus in their development. What used to be the cool, slim and fast new browser on the intarwebs has become a ridiculous moloch and instead of working on that, they started berating users with things like completely breaking https access for self-signed certificates which are all too common amongst developers who are traditionally also the lion share of Firefox's users. And instead of fixing that or supporting modern web formats they went on to useless "image" and coolness campaigns and redesigned the interface I dont know how many times, as if that really mattered THAT much... and finally ended up with a cheap Chrome knock-off lock that is just disgusting.
"Only one thing is impossible for God: To find any sense in any copyright law on the planet." - Mark Twain
I have repeatedly tried to use DDG over the years and I honestly wish I could like them but as someone in Europe who at times needs more "local" results, I just really, really hate DDG. A simple search on google yields the results I was looking for down to "Shopping" which can be handy or "Maps" or "Images" results. On DDG I got results that were not even close to what I was actually looking for, no shopping and no images. I have had the same experience when searching for error messages for work or code snippets. DDG results were so atrociously off and useless, it was painful.
"Only one thing is impossible for God: To find any sense in any copyright law on the planet." - Mark Twain
Older Android has a different WebKit-based browser. I installed Firefox when they tried to push Chrome: I was quite surprised, as I'd been unimpressed with earlier versions. It has a nicer UI and better privacy settings than Chrome on my phone. I'm very happy with the self-destructing cookies plugin.
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Yes, I use it (I don't use Firefox on the desktop, and haven't since around 2002). It has fine-grained cookie control, which seems to be something other Android browsers try to avoid, and with the self-destructing cookies plugin is the first browser to actually do what I want with cookies (delete them aggressively unless I explicitly ask for them to be kept). The UI is clean and it runs very smoothly on my Moto G (Cortex A7, cheap phone aimed at cheapskates and developing countries)
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Chrome, Safari, IE11/10/8 even IE6 displays my website properly.
My guess is you've misinterpreted the standard and it's just luck it works on the others. No surprise that it will work on all webkit browsers if it works on any at all. Either that or you've found a bug. Did you file a report?
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Firefox Signs Five-Year Deal With Yahoo, Drops Google as Default Search Engine
I agree! Something about Savannah ALWAYS annoys me. And Matt treats her like his little pet. It's gross.
Sound like two deathrow inmates holding hands while walking down the line
I currently know zero tech people still using Firefox.
No longer true. I'm Zontar--how do you do?
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Is like both Yahoo and Mozilla are looking to fail
Another MASSIVE failure for open source. Remember when people used to claim that Microsoft and Apple would be killed off by open source software? LOL.
Unfortunately, I manage a network where some of the users think:
- That black box beside their desk is the "hard drive."
- The big screen is the computer.
- The administrator (me) locks their computer when they leave it alone for 5 minutes.
- Their operating system is called "Outlook."
- The internet is called "Google."
- That there is an "Any Key" on the keyboard.
- That raising and lowering an optical mouse makes it work in 3-D.
Thanks, Firefox.
Tell me, in 2002, what did you switch to? Or are you just trying to claim you left Firefox before everyone else so you can tell yourself that you're oh so ahead of the times?
Perhaps when none of the major browsers use it as the default search engine, people will start to get the idea out of their stupid heads that forcing a search engine to remove results is not the same thing as taking something off the internet. In short, Google != "The Internet".
Then perhaps we won't see more idiotic decisions like this one.
Now, what if they stop removing features not existing in Chrome just for the sake of not competing? I mean You, removers of crypto.signText...
Just for a fresh install, or does it change the default when you upgrade to a new version (every week or so)
and does this affect SeaMonkey?
But Yahoo just changed their logo recently. I thought that fixed all their problems.
Proverbs 21:19
It worked fine all the way back to FireFox 3.
No, I did not file a bug report. Why? Because the market's moving towards Chrome at an incredible pace. Firefox barely has 25% market share in the browser area. They fucked off with their FireFox OS and other crap, and lost core focus.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Yep. Before chrome & ff for android I was using dolphin as well(tried several others as well) as the original default Android web browser was crap(well it didn't support tabs).
Bing: every time that I've tried it, it gives either(or both) shitty/spurious results.
ddg: use that from time to time, but OTOH I run noscript and other tools so it really doesn't make much of a difference to me. I think that mostly I end up back at google just because I don't care for the shitty layouts for results that most of those composite search sites give, and google is still pretty much the only one that manages to popup what I'm really looking for, plus after using it for so long I know all of the tricks in the search to help filter out any crap that manages to sneak by mostly...
I will not tolerate your intolerance!
Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
try puffin
Oh no the company who provides me a bunch of free and useful software wants to make some money by selling advertisements to try and get me to buy stuff! How in God's name am I supposed to ignore the handful of advertisements that display on the screen when I perform web searches (some of which are actually useful since they target me specifically). Oh, wait. That doesn't actually bother me at all... carry on then.
Maybe Mozilla will stop falling all over itself trying to make Firefox a clone of Google Chrome.
I don't use Chrome because I would have to change my motherboard to upgrade to 16GB of RAM.
Didn't Firefox made their URL bar "dynamic" and shit before Google Chrome existed?, and had search in the URL bar before it itself existed (in the browser called Mozilla). That is enough. It's easy to go to google's site if you want google to guess what you are trying to type.
Good on Mozilla for getting an influx of cash, but I'll be changing the search preferences of every Firefox I install on my and my coworkers systems. Yahoo's little "no more working from home" mess was cited by our CEO as a reason to halt the practice where I work. So Yahoo can go fsck itself with a broken broomstick.
NoScript on Chrome is ScriptSafe, it works identical to noscript.
Firefox mobile is slow as shit. There is no excuse for that on a device with a quad core CPU and a gig of RAM.
Interesting, I use it on an old laptop with a 1.6ghz Pentium M in it and it is pretty speedy.
I guess all of your 5 coworkers will be busy downloading something else.
UID comparison? Why do I suspect that you're in high school and just trolling?
Firefox barely has 25% market share in the browser area.
It's an unusual luxury that you can ignore 25% of your customers.
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It gets worse. It was found out a couple years ago that Dolphin was sending everything you did on it to a specific address in plain text.
I couldn't find much about it, but here is one page that talks about it:
http://www.onlineandroidtips.c...
Which choice makes less money for either Microsoft or Google?
Ah, so you're a child. I understand.
300+ posts here and no one has yet mentioned that Thunderbird has been using Microsoft(R) Bing(R) as its default search engine for some time now.
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I use Firefox in preference to Chrome because of the superior and more permissive add on ecosystem, fine grained JavaScript controls, better tools for privacy protection and better (yes, really) memory management for my browsing habits.
Just the fact that I can have hassle free ad blocking on Android makes it worthy of consideration.
Great you mean how Firefox got rid of the option to turn off javascript.
It is turning more and more into a crappy version of chrome as they remove features but refuse to redo internal architecture like SMP support with per process tabs. IE 7 (yes that horrible browser from last decade) has better security with a sandbox and process per tabs. WTF??
Electrolysis or whatever it is called is 5 years too late. I hate no smooth scrolling anymore in chrome or the shitty font rendering but IE and Chrome are lightyears ahead.
Memory management is false as soon as you open lots of tabs both IE and Chrome can handle them and still stay responsive via processes for each tab. Not true in Firefox and FF uses the most ram. FF 4.0 vs IE 9 proved it.
Firefox needs a fork bad as I do not want webkit turning into the next IE 6 in the coming years with Google setting webstandards if the trend continues but shoot Firefox really fell from grace as a lightweight browser alternative to Mozilla and turning into Mozilla.
http://saveie6.com/
You use Firefox mobile on a Pentium M?
IE ... as in modern IE is frankly a better corporate browser.
It supports GPO, webstandards, corporate apps, domain integration, and doesn't change every freaking 6 weeks??!
True it lacks add-ons I will admit but for work they do not care. Ie no longer is a pos it was last decade where you needed hacks to get anything to work which of course meant it only worked in one version of one browser from years ago.
Firefox is in a world of trouble. It is like having an IQ test with the retarded special ed kid when IE 6 was king in its early years. Now you have the athlete of IE who is fast with the gifted kid who is Chrome. Where has firefox went?
http://saveie6.com/
Two dying companies merge...yay.
Maybe 2% of our 'customers' use FireFox. 89% Chrome, 4% Safari, 5% IE of some flavor.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Great, another step when setting up a new install of Firefox. If only Chrome would bring back side tabs...
I switched to Opera back then (and actually paid for it). I then went to Safari when I got a Mac because all of the other Mac web browsers had crappy integration with the rest of the UI. This has improved a bit, and I'm quite tempted to start using Firefox again on the desktop. I like the UI in new versions, but I don't like the lack of security. Once they start sandboxing tabs properly, I'd be very tempted to switch. Lack of keychain integration was an annoyance, but apparently there's an extension for that.
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I've not noticed any slowness and the Cortex A7 is not exactly a nippy CPU. Sure, it's quad-core, but in terms of performance (and power consumption and die area), those four cores all add up to about the same as a single Cortex A15.
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I'm sad at this. If they wanted to swtich, I'd have prefered Bing at the least. In term of quality search, as far as I'm concerned it goes Google->Bing->Yahoo->DuckDuckGo As an example, I was doing a search to see what are my options to check Boardgamegeek on a mobile without using the main website as it's not mobile friendly at all. So I did this search on all 4 engines: "boardgamegeek on mobile" Google and Bing showed as first result the bgg wiki page on mobile access which has all the relevant information. Yahoo, even though it's using Bing tech, never showed that search result anywhere in the first page, neither did DuckDuckGo, and their search results didn't gave me any answer I was looking for. So, useless in the case of this search. So, pretty sad that they chose Yahoo :(
I remember well altavista was the search engine of choice.
Seeing as the EU wants to force a breakup of Google over alleged monopoly, the Mozilla guys just wanted to show their support for their old sponsors.