The hell with that. Everyone wise up and use Enlightenment =)
Although I have to confess to running E as the wm, with the KDE kicker bar down the side. What can I say, it's nice having all the frequently used apps that accessable. I also run the zoopee patch to E16.6 - makes for much nicer iconbox management.
In as far as kde/qt vs. gnome/gtk debate, i just like the look of kde better. It feels nice to work with, i find it more responsive, blah blah. I also think GTK is ugly as all hell =).
ps. clap clap to using whatever works for you. That's why we have all these different desktops; there's something for everyone. even the unEnlightened. *grin*
Go ask a priest. I did when I was younger and at a Catholic school....
The answer was an undoubtable "no, we alone are the children of God." And this was the official teaching of the Catholic church. I know for a fact Prebytarian (sp?) and Anglican teach the same.
Or, you could read some history books. I'm fairly sure it was Keppler that got in the shit for writing a sci-fi book (possibly the first one) about life on other worlds.
As for the holy books, you could very well be right. On the other hand, since when has Christianity (as a whole) paid any attention to the bible? I seem to recall something about "thou shalt not kill"... but I digress.
If this doesn't start a flame war, I'm doing something wrong.
Monotheist religions, especially Christianity and it's prodigious children, state that we are the only intelligent life in the universe, the special chosen children of God, uniquely formed in his image. It was heresy to suggest otherwise for a long time, and in some sects still is.
Think of the shit Copernicus got in for suggesting a solar-centric universe.... imagine if he's suggested these "harmonious, heavenly spheres" had other life forms on them.
We as humans tend to have a very limited view of what the "conditions for life" are. Remember, we (and all life on our planet) are just one offshoot, a genetic path that happened to work.
Life can, and will, evolve in conditions we deem "impossible to support life" - by which we don't mean life itself, we mean human life. And it will, of course, be wildly different from anything we can possibly imagine (none of this Star Trek every-alien-looks-humanoid nonsense).
I'm sure that somewhere in the random possibilities of chaos there's the possibility of a life form that could thrive in a Martian climate. And they'd probably look at Earth-like environments and go "nah, life could _never_ be supported on that..."
Noooot quite... because the ISP then pays for the bandwidth I use (up or down, hosted or connected), which is billed by the network provider. The national provider then bills them, who are in turn billed by the next provider in line. The money then tends to flow upstream. I work for an ISP, and you don't want to know how much the monthly bandwidth bill is...
TV and radio have no comparison to that. I'm sure they don't get any money from snack food manufacturers because people eat them while watching TV....
The analogy between television and the 'net is spurious. Here in NZ at least, and most other countries of the world, TV is broadcast free to air. The Government supports it a little, but it's bread-and-butter is paid commercial advertising. Fair enough, I say, it's how they make enough money to stay in existance.
The net, on the other hand, is a totally different kettle of fish. We _already_ pay to use the net. We pay a monthly access fee (in NZ, broadband pays by the Mb, too). We pay for our hosting space, and our domain registration. We pay excess bandwidth use if we have a popular site, or if we want extra mailboxes or services.
Someone explain to me _WHY_ we now have to watch commercials as well??!
DRM, Palladium, and NGTCB (jebus, what an acronym) all scare the crapola out of me on general principle.
The very idea that anyone can tell me what I can and can't do with this rather expensive piece of hardware on my desk is.... unfathomable. I didn't think anyone had the sheer audacity to dictate what I can do with something I own (I mean hardware, not licensed software. But, even then...). This whole "protecting the people" crap facade they've got going has got to stop.
Even more, to tell me what software I can and can't run! If I'm going to pay for software that performs a task I desire, I'll be damned if I have to run it past Redmond's "are-they-giving-us-enough-money" approval department first!
To top it all off, some people in the world at large are being convinced this is a *GOOD THING*. In the vein of "I can't live without this once it's released".
Admin is really a subjective term here - it's more helping them ease into an enviroment they're not used to. I recommend software for them, help them with any problems (which are a damn site fewer and further between than Windows ones), and so forth. Once they're comfortable with something that isn't Windows (which is actually quite jarring for someone who's been raised with only the one option), they come to me less and less and less - and then start helping other people. I'm pretty sure this is the whole idea. =)
Pretty much the way any geek ends up being tech support for all of their friends/relatives =)
ps. Lack of commercial software compatability? I'm a designer/coder/gamesmaster, I haven't hit any probs yet... (thank Herb the Monkey God for Wine...)
I'm sure Noatun (sp?), mplayer, and all the others are similar in function.
Yes, I did have to install Xine. That's _only_ cause I don't like Noatun. KDE-Multimedia took care of the rest, easy as pie; if I were running Mandrake, it'd be even easier, since it's all there by default.
So, when shall I bring those Mandrake disks around, hmmm? =)
This is a joke, right? Shareware version of linux? Kernel panics from bind and apache? VB executing as fast as C? VB even counting as programming experience?.... Ok, now I'm being snarky =)
As I read further - lacking support for journalled filesystems, SMP and memory protection? B'duh?!
The rest of the post is too insane for my brain to contemplate.... especially the bit about no access to source code.
I want whatever he was smoking when he made this post.
I agree - I'm a newbie as far as linux on the desktop goes, but after using it exclusively at work for about 2 months now (ok, with a little Wine on the side) it's much easier and more intuitive than Windows. And I used Windows for about 6 years prior to this...
Linux _is_ ready for the desktop. At least, very nearly. I also admin a good 8 linux servers and a bunch of friends desktops (each with varying levels of literacy), and I find it incredibly easy. And if a n00b like myself can admin them, keep them up, running and secure, I'd bet nearly anyone can.
By the by, my 55 year old mother runs Linux Mandrake 9 + KDE. She loves it, and says it's so much simpler than those "awful Windows things".
I'm a developer and gamesmaster for an ISP, as well as running my own network plugged off theirs. I administer 5 gameservers, 6 boxes on said network, both my work machines, my home router, and do tech support/admin stuff for all my friends I've gotten onto linux. All up about 20 linux boxen in toto. Add to this that I consider myself a linux n00b: I've only been using it about 3 years.
My single and lonesome Windows 2000 machine which is used exclusively for games gives me more trouble than all the rest put together.
And before the flamebait tag comes out, yes, I've admined 20+ Windows machines too. Fricken nightmare.
Steep learning curve, yes I agree. Having recently switched entirely to linux bar the one games machine, I can understand that. On the other hand, this is what I tell everyone I help set up - it will take a while to get used to. Once you've been using it a few weeks, you're away laughing.
As for the rest of your post, pure malarky. I've lost literally 20Gb under windows (hosed NTFS clusters munged an entire drive), and nothing in linux. I've even had an IDE cable literally melt due to me stupidly leaving it so it can sit against a CPU heatsink. e2fsck/dev/hda1 -y, and everything's back to normal. And that was using EXT2, so what you're on about I don't know.
ps. badly coded tools? eh? Try using MSSQL sometime....
This post really has no point to it except to point out what a bias bonehead this guy is. Mind you, so am I =)
You think they're going to lock down the sound & video API's in the OS so that nobody can make their own media players?
Did anyone else just get an eerie premonition?
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The hell with that. Everyone wise up and use Enlightenment =)
Although I have to confess to running E as the wm, with the KDE kicker bar down the side. What can I say, it's nice having all the frequently used apps that accessable. I also run the zoopee patch to E16.6 - makes for much nicer iconbox management.
In as far as kde/qt vs. gnome/gtk debate, i just like the look of kde better. It feels nice to work with, i find it more responsive, blah blah. I also think GTK is ugly as all hell =).
ps. clap clap to using whatever works for you. That's why we have all these different desktops; there's something for everyone. even the unEnlightened. *grin*
Go ask a priest. I did when I was younger and at a Catholic school....
The answer was an undoubtable "no, we alone are the children of God." And this was the official teaching of the Catholic church. I know for a fact Prebytarian (sp?) and Anglican teach the same.
Or, you could read some history books. I'm fairly sure it was Keppler that got in the shit for writing a sci-fi book (possibly the first one) about life on other worlds.
As for the holy books, you could very well be right. On the other hand, since when has Christianity (as a whole) paid any attention to the bible? I seem to recall something about "thou shalt not kill"... but I digress.
If this doesn't start a flame war, I'm doing something wrong.
Heh. If I ever got one of those letters, my entire reply would most likely be
To Whom it may concern,
Fuck off.
Yours sincerely,
Scott Miller
Monotheist religions, especially Christianity and it's prodigious children, state that we are the only intelligent life in the universe, the special chosen children of God, uniquely formed in his image. It was heresy to suggest otherwise for a long time, and in some sects still is.
Think of the shit Copernicus got in for suggesting a solar-centric universe.... imagine if he's suggested these "harmonious, heavenly spheres" had other life forms on them.
We as humans tend to have a very limited view of what the "conditions for life" are. Remember, we (and all life on our planet) are just one offshoot, a genetic path that happened to work.
Life can, and will, evolve in conditions we deem "impossible to support life" - by which we don't mean life itself, we mean human life. And it will, of course, be wildly different from anything we can possibly imagine (none of this Star Trek every-alien-looks-humanoid nonsense).
I'm sure that somewhere in the random possibilities of chaos there's the possibility of a life form that could thrive in a Martian climate. And they'd probably look at Earth-like environments and go "nah, life could _never_ be supported on that..."
Life's a tenacious little shit =)
Damn forgetting to format it properly - soz about that.
Noooot quite... because the ISP then pays for the bandwidth I use (up or down, hosted or connected), which is billed by the network provider. The national provider then bills them, who are in turn billed by the next provider in line. The money then tends to flow upstream. I work for an ISP, and you don't want to know how much the monthly bandwidth bill is... TV and radio have no comparison to that. I'm sure they don't get any money from snack food manufacturers because people eat them while watching TV....
The analogy between television and the 'net is spurious. Here in NZ at least, and most other countries of the world, TV is broadcast free to air. The Government supports it a little, but it's bread-and-butter is paid commercial advertising. Fair enough, I say, it's how they make enough money to stay in existance.
The net, on the other hand, is a totally different kettle of fish. We _already_ pay to use the net. We pay a monthly access fee (in NZ, broadband pays by the Mb, too). We pay for our hosting space, and our domain registration. We pay excess bandwidth use if we have a popular site, or if we want extra mailboxes or services.
Someone explain to me _WHY_ we now have to watch commercials as well??!
This is just getting patently insane.
*distant sound of a rimshot*
Thank you, thank you. *bows*
It might be a troll, but the guy's pretty close to accurate. Scary though, innit?
ps. Close, not bang on, but I can't be bothered going through it - I haven't had my morning coffee =)
Garh! Where's a mod point when I need it....
DRM, Palladium, and NGTCB (jebus, what an acronym) all scare the crapola out of me on general principle.
The very idea that anyone can tell me what I can and can't do with this rather expensive piece of hardware on my desk is.... unfathomable. I didn't think anyone had the sheer audacity to dictate what I can do with something I own (I mean hardware, not licensed software. But, even then...). This whole "protecting the people" crap facade they've got going has got to stop.
Even more, to tell me what software I can and can't run! If I'm going to pay for software that performs a task I desire, I'll be damned if I have to run it past Redmond's "are-they-giving-us-enough-money" approval department first!
To top it all off, some people in the world at large are being convinced this is a *GOOD THING*. In the vein of "I can't live without this once it's released".
Abominable, the whole concept.
I do believe that was his entire point.
Pretty much the way any geek ends up being tech support for all of their friends/relatives =)
ps. Lack of commercial software compatability? I'm a designer/coder/gamesmaster, I haven't hit any probs yet... (thank Herb the Monkey God for Wine...)
1. Put DVD in DVD drive
2. Push play in Xine.
I'm sure Noatun (sp?), mplayer, and all the others are similar in function.
Yes, I did have to install Xine. That's _only_ cause I don't like Noatun. KDE-Multimedia took care of the rest, easy as pie; if I were running Mandrake, it'd be even easier, since it's all there by default.
So, when shall I bring those Mandrake disks around, hmmm? =)
As I read further - lacking support for journalled filesystems, SMP and memory protection? B'duh?!
The rest of the post is too insane for my brain to contemplate.... especially the bit about no access to source code.
I want whatever he was smoking when he made this post.
Linux _is_ ready for the desktop. At least, very nearly. I also admin a good 8 linux servers and a bunch of friends desktops (each with varying levels of literacy), and I find it incredibly easy. And if a n00b like myself can admin them, keep them up, running and secure, I'd bet nearly anyone can.
By the by, my 55 year old mother runs Linux Mandrake 9 + KDE. She loves it, and says it's so much simpler than those "awful Windows things".
Ahhh, something windows bunnies have been dreaming about for years.
I've got 4 very good browsers installed, if you'd like a recommendation...
Jealousy gets you nowhere.
Bullcrap.
I'm a developer and gamesmaster for an ISP, as well as running my own network plugged off theirs. I administer 5 gameservers, 6 boxes on said network, both my work machines, my home router, and do tech support/admin stuff for all my friends I've gotten onto linux. All up about 20 linux boxen in toto. Add to this that I consider myself a linux n00b: I've only been using it about 3 years.
My single and lonesome Windows 2000 machine which is used exclusively for games gives me more trouble than all the rest put together.
And before the flamebait tag comes out, yes, I've admined 20+ Windows machines too. Fricken nightmare.
Steep learning curve, yes I agree. Having recently switched entirely to linux bar the one games machine, I can understand that. On the other hand, this is what I tell everyone I help set up - it will take a while to get used to. Once you've been using it a few weeks, you're away laughing.
As for the rest of your post, pure malarky. I've lost literally 20Gb under windows (hosed NTFS clusters munged an entire drive), and nothing in linux. I've even had an IDE cable literally melt due to me stupidly leaving it so it can sit against a CPU heatsink. e2fsck /dev/hda1 -y, and everything's back to normal. And that was using EXT2, so what you're on about I don't know.
ps. badly coded tools? eh? Try using MSSQL sometime....
This post really has no point to it except to point out what a bias bonehead this guy is. Mind you, so am I =)
Times like this I wish I had a mod point.
You think they're going to lock down the sound & video API's in the OS so that nobody can make their own media players? Did anyone else just get an eerie premonition?