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Compiling a List of Funny Anti-Linux FUD?

An anonymous reader writes "I am in the process of trying to compile a list of at least 100 anti-Linux FUD statements, preferrably the ones that came from one of the big-shots in the computer industry. I am planning to use it in a multimedia project of mine. I did some searching on the net, including Slashdot, but the information overload has slowed my progress down to a crawl. Could you please assist me in compiling such a list?"

161 comments

  1. Linux is a cancer.... by The+Analog+Kid · · Score: 1

    "Linux is a cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches." Steve Ballmer

    1. Re:Linux is a cancer.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except for one small problem; that isn't actually FUD -- it's completely true.

    2. Re:Linux is a cancer.... by MadocGwyn · · Score: 1

      You are prob more thinking 'GPL' then linux itself, a liscence and os does not make.

      The GPL spreads yes, linux itself is a seperate matter.

      We don't charactorize Windows by its EULA now do we?

      --
      Jesus saves, everyone else takes full damage from the fireball.
    3. Re:Linux is a cancer.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oddly, since I wasn't actually trolling -- I must say, I apologize for the dumbass remark about Linux; I did indeed mean to say that those facts were true about the GPL.

      Thanks muchly for correcting me,
      Your parent poster.

      You have *not* been trolled.

    4. Re:Linux is a cancer.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did indeed mean to say that those facts were true about the GPL.

      Except they're not.

      First, the GPL only 'attaches' itself if you want to use someone else's code (so it's not a 'cancer' - you have to deliberately use it.. and it's no different than most closed-source licenses, which state that you're not allowed to give any of your code away.)

      Second, it doesn't 'attach itself' to 'everything' it touches - if this was true, then it would be impossible to have any closed-source software on Linux at all. It's perfectly simple to build a 'wall' betweeen GPL'ed code and non-GPL'ed code, via use of a clear API.

    5. Re:Linux is a cancer.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      THE GPL has never been tested in court. Nobody knows exactly what it means. You and I believe that a closed application can make a system or dynamic library call (open, fork, fprintf, etc). However, the FSF's opinion seems to be that closed source applications may NOT dynamically link to a GPL library. This is based on their opinion of using GPL java code with closed source java code.


      Until the limits of the GPL are legally defined, it won't be clear how cancerous it really is. Note the LGPL does not have these problems.

  2. Linux Cost Analysis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's have a close look at the costs involved when running a Linux system.

    An important factor in Linux' cost is its maintenance. Linux requires a *lot* of maintenance, work doable only by the relatively few high-paid Linux administrators that put themselves - of course willingly - at a great place in the market. Linux seems to be needing maintenance continuously, to keep it from breaking down.

    Add to this the cost of loss of data. Linux' native file system, EXT2FS, is known to lose data like a firehose spouts water when the file system isn't unmounted properly. Other unix file systems are much more tolerant towards unexpected crashes. An example is the FreeBSD file system, which with soft updates enabled, performance-wise blows EXT2FS out of the water, and doesn't have the negative drawback of extreme data loss in case of a system breakdown.

    According to Linux advocates, an alternative to EXT2FS would be ReiserFS.
    Unfortunately, ReiserFS is still in beta stage. This means it is not intended for production use (although according to many Linux advocates this shouldn't be a problem, which makes me wonder how (little) valuable they find your data).

    The other proposed 'solution', EXT3FS, is nothing more than an ugly hack to put journaling into the file system. All the drawbacks of the ancient EXT2FS file system remain in EXT3FS, for the sake of 'forward- and backward compatibility'. This is interesting, considering that the DOS heritage in the Windows 9x/ME series was considered a very bad thing by the Linux community, even though it provided what could be called one of the best examples of compatibility, ever. When it's about Linux, compatibility constraints don't seem to be that much of a problem for Linux advocates.

    Back to Linux' cost. Factor in also the fact that crashes happen much more often on Linux than on other unices. On other unices, crashes usually are caused by external sources like power outages. Crashes in Linux are a regular thing, and nobody seems to know what causes them, internally. Linux advocates try to hide this fact by denying crashes ever happen. Instead, they have frequent "hardware problems".

    The steep learning curve compared to about any other operating system out there is a major factor in Linux' cost. The system is a mix of features from all kinds of unices, but not one of them is implemented right. A Linux user has to live with badly coded tools which have low performance, mangle data seemingly at random and are not in line with their specification. On top of that a lot of them spit out the most childish and unprofessional messages, indicating that they were created by 14-year olds with too much time, no talent and a bad attitude.

    I could go on and on and on, but the conclusion is clear. Linux is not an option for any one who seeks a professional OS with high performance, scalability, stability, adherence to standards, etc.

    1. Re:Linux Cost Analysis by Filik · · Score: 1

      Read the article again, he was asking for FUD's, not rants/trolls.

    2. Re:Linux Cost Analysis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously are talking out your @$$ and have never even seriously used linux in a production environment. Else, you would understand how much bullshit what everything you just said is about. If you have ever administrated a network (which you obviously have not), you would know how much less time in maintainance you would spend on the linux or solaris boxes then windows boxes. You would also know how much easier they are to remote administrate then windows due to their advanced command promt and scripting features. Microsoft is even beafing back up their command prompt tools for 2003 because even they understand what you have siad is BS.

    3. Re:Linux Cost Analysis by Analog+Penguin · · Score: 1

      And if you'd even bothered to read the TITLE of the article, you'd see that an example of talking out of your "@$$" is exactly what the submitter was looking for.

    4. Re:Linux Cost Analysis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Administrate?

    5. Re:Linux Cost Analysis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      beafing?
      siad?

    6. Re:Linux Cost Analysis by Malek+the+Damned · · Score: 1
      Linux requires a lot of maintenace

      Bullcrap.

      I'm a developer and gamesmaster for an ISP, as well as running my own network plugged off theirs. I administer 5 gameservers, 6 boxes on said network, both my work machines, my home router, and do tech support/admin stuff for all my friends I've gotten onto linux. All up about 20 linux boxen in toto. Add to this that I consider myself a linux n00b: I've only been using it about 3 years.

      My single and lonesome Windows 2000 machine which is used exclusively for games gives me more trouble than all the rest put together.

      And before the flamebait tag comes out, yes, I've admined 20+ Windows machines too. Fricken nightmare.

      Steep learning curve, yes I agree. Having recently switched entirely to linux bar the one games machine, I can understand that. On the other hand, this is what I tell everyone I help set up - it will take a while to get used to. Once you've been using it a few weeks, you're away laughing.

      As for the rest of your post, pure malarky. I've lost literally 20Gb under windows (hosed NTFS clusters munged an entire drive), and nothing in linux. I've even had an IDE cable literally melt due to me stupidly leaving it so it can sit against a CPU heatsink. e2fsck /dev/hda1 -y, and everything's back to normal. And that was using EXT2, so what you're on about I don't know.

      ps. badly coded tools? eh? Try using MSSQL sometime....

      This post really has no point to it except to point out what a bias bonehead this guy is. Mind you, so am I =)

    7. Re:Linux Cost Analysis by SQLz · · Score: 1

      An important factor in Linux' cost is its maintenance. Linux requires a *lot* of maintenance, work doable only by the relatively few high-paid Linux administrators that put themselves - of course willingly - at a great place in the market. Linux seems to be needing maintenance continuously, to keep it from breaking down. Please give examples of maintenance Linux needs to keep running besides normal patching that both Windows and Linux require. I would like to know what I am not doing.

    8. Re:Linux Cost Analysis by silicon+not+in+the+v · · Score: 1

      Oh boy, the irony here is amazing. The article is asking for examples of FUD about Linux, and when someone posts one, they get blasted by the Linux zealots. I'm sitting here laughing at the zealots selective reading. It's like the context of "Give me examples of FUD" went sailing over their heads. You wouldn't think everyone posting in this thread would have to put a disclaimer at the beginning of every post saying, "The following is an example of anti-Linux FUD, as called for above. This does not represent the views of the poster." But apparently they do, because the mob will just perk up their ears--"Huh? He just said something bad about Linux! Let's get 'im!"

      OK, here's mine:
      <linux FUD> Where am I supposed to get drivers for this thing? The install disc is useless on Linux.</linux FUD>

      --
      We may experience some slight turbulence and then...explode. -Capt. Mal Reynolds
    9. Re:Linux Cost Analysis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Have you used Reiser FS? You better make a full backup every other day, and incremental backups every hour. I swear, Hans Reiser, has an ego larger than goatse's asshole.


      Linux has incredibly high latency. Try untarring a moderate sized file (like gcc). Winzip on windows 95 can do it a couple minutes. Linux will take all night.


      And don't get started on the non-standard internet configuration tools.

    10. Re:Linux Cost Analysis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bull shit. Winzip is a shitty program that suffers once the file is over 20mb, and takes fucking forever to handle files around 100mb or larger.

  3. Ballmer, is that you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Steve, what the hell are you doing posting so late on Slashdot?

    See you in Building 1 tomorrow.

    Bill

    1. Re:Ballmer, is that you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How did you find out? Was it the coward part?

      Steve

    2. Re:Ballmer, is that you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coward part, posted on early Redmond morning, when you usually go through your morning e-mail, your style of writing and the conversation we had yesterday in building 4.

      By the way, did you see the Microsoft ads on this site? I had no idea we were advertising with Slashdot.

      Bill

    3. Re:Ballmer, is that you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey Bill,

      Yeah, we're advertising on Slashdot. There's nothing like rubbing the noses of open-source advocates in it.

      So you done your morning workout yet? All hot and sweaty? I'm excited. Can we meet up in our bathroom in Building 1? Your Monkeyboy wants to dance for you. I won't yell "Developers, Developers, Developers" so loud this time.

      Steve

    4. Re:Ballmer, is that you? by Archangel_Azazel · · Score: 1

      I really, REALLY, *REALLY* did not need to see that.

      -Going to scour my brain with blasting sand...

      --
      Your mind is like a parachute. It works best when it's been opened.
  4. SCO complaint by ptaff · · Score: 2, Funny

    SCO complaint vs. IBM, March 2003:

    It is not possible for Linux to rapidly reach UNIX performance standards for complete enterprise functionality without the misappropriation of UNIX code, methods or concepts to achieve such performance, and coordination by a larger developer, such as IBM.

    1. Re:SCO complaint by sql*kitten · · Score: 1

      reach UNIX performance standards for complete enterprise functionality without the misappropriation of UNIX code, methods or concepts to achieve such performance, and coordination by a larger developer

      Actually, that one's fairly true. How many students can afford 16-way servers with many 32G of memory to refine their SMP code on, for example? How many can afford an FC-AL storage array just to develop the drivers for it? Without big corporate backers like SGI and IBM, Linux would not have a chance at all for running serious databases.

      I don't believe the bit about appropriation of code, since IBM and SGI (et al) had already proved that their engineers were more than capable of developing such features for themselves.

    2. Re:SCO complaint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > How many students can afford 16-way servers with many 32G of memory to refine their SMP code on, for example?

      So what ?

      There are many more people with access to 16-way servers than people with access to 16-way servers AND source code from a proprietary operating system AND assignment from they managment to work on MP AND motivation for they company to focus on high-end servers

      In case of free software, they only need to have (eventually remote) access to such hardware.

      In case of proprietary software, you still need access to the hardware, and a lot more.

    3. Re:SCO complaint by GoRK · · Score: 1

      Untrue! There will always be companies that develop the hardware. Granted, it is not necessarily the hardware company's job to develop the OS to run on their new N-Way machines, but it is certainly in their best interest to have Open-Source OS's around in order to be able to test their stuff... Likewise, if Linux customers represent a large enough market for the maker of some FC-AL equipment, then the company putting it out will want to make sure that drivers exist regardless of whether there is a big IBM, SGI, HP, etc. developing them.

      Still, big corporate backers are a great asset.

    4. Re:SCO complaint by RyMon · · Score: 1

      One might assume that many of the big distros (Red Hat, for instance) would want to focus on this aspect; As you said, Linux needs these features to stand up to the commercial unix variants, and Red Hat targets businesses over consumers. Businesses have more money, after all.

    5. Re:SCO complaint by Glonoinha · · Score: 1

      -How many students can afford 16-way servers with many 32G of memory to refine their SMP code on, for example?

      Lets see, thats 16 single CPU machines with 2G apiece ... 16 times $300 plus 32G of RAM at about $200 per gigabyte ... carry the two ... $11,200 plus or minus. Damn, even a RAIC (Rsomething Array of Inexpensive Computers) of that power is out of reach for most college kids.

      That said, a 4 machine RAIC at that level (4x$500=$2,000) is pretty much within reach of today's college kids if they save their student loans and don't buy AV (stereo and television toys for their apartment) equipment instead. Four 2.4GHz HyperThreading P4 machines with half a Gig of RAM apiece on a gigabit backbone ... Jesus where was this kind of supercomputer hardware at RamenNoodle pricing when I was a college kid. Two grand for a 386sx16 with a 40M MFM drive, 2M of RAM and a 2400 baud modem and I was THANKFUL.

      --
      Glonoinha the MebiByte Slayer
    6. Re:SCO complaint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Actually, that one's fairly true. How many students can afford 16-way servers with many 32G of memory to refine their SMP code on, for example?"

      Lets ask Caldera/SCO since they are the ones who donated said SMP hardware.

  5. Bill Gates said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "640K ought to be enough for anyone."

    Uh, nevermind, that's the right person but the wrong FUD.

  6. Is Linux a Machination of Satan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hello,

    Recently I've been introduced to an operating system known as Linux.

    Lured by its low cost, I replaced Windows 98 on my computer with Linux. Unfortunately the more I use it the more I fear that this "Linux" may be an insidious way for the Dark One to gain a stronger foothold here on Earth. I know this may be a shocking claim, but I have evidence to back it up!

    To begin with, Linux is based off of an older, obsolete OS called "BSD Unix". The child-indoctrinatingly-cute cartoon mascot of this OS is a devil holding a pitchfork. This OS -- and its Linux offspring -- extensively use what are unsettingly called "daemons" (which is how Pagans write "demon" -- they are notoriously poor spellers: magick, vampyre, etc.) which is a program that hides in the background, doing things without the user's notice. If you are using a computer running Linux then you probably have these "demons" on your computer, hardly something a good Christian would want! Furthermore in order to start or stop these "demons" a user must execute a command called "finger". By "fingering" a "demon" one excercises an unholy power, much the same way that the Lord of Flies controls his black minions.

    Linux contains another Satanic holdover from the "BSD Unix" OS mentioned above; to open up certain locked files one has to run a program much like the DOS prompt in Microsoft Windows and type in a secret code: "chmod 666". What other horrors lurk in this thing?

    Consider some of these other Linux commands: "sleep", "mount", "unzip", "strip" and "touch". All highly suggestive in a sexual nature. I know that our Lord cannot approve of these, and I urge them to be renamed to something appropriate to the Christian community. Interestingly "CONTROL-G" (the sixth key from the left of the keyboard) does an abort. To write files a "VI" editor is included. All these are to ensnare the unsuspecting christian who could get tempted by typing "VIVIVI" all day long.

    Fourth, Linux uses a flavor of DOS known as Bash. Bash is an acronym for "Bourne Again Shell". On the surface this would appear to be supportive of the Lord. However, remember that even Satan can quote the bible for his own purposes! While I believe Linux may be born-again, its obvious by the misspelling of "born" that its not born-again in an Christian church. Will the lies ever cease?

    Additionally, one of the main long-haired hippies involved with the GNU Free Software Foundation supports communism, contraception and abortion. He has consistently supported 60's counter-cultural "values", and his web site even advocates government support of contraception. He also wears fake halos, and has quips about his made-up church that relates to his free software. I find such blasphemy to be extremely unsettling.

    One must also remember that the creator of Linux, a college student named Linux Torvaldis, comes from Finland. I'm sure all the followers of Christ are aware of the heritical nature of the Finnish: from necrophilia to human sacrifice, Finnish culture is awash in sin. I find little reason to believe anything good and holy could arise from this evil land.

    Finally, let us remember that there is an alternative to using the Satan-powered Linux. I think history has shown us that Microsoft is quite holy. I'm told that its founder, William Gates is a strong supporter of our Lord and I encourage my fellow Christians to buy only his products to help keep the Devil at bay.

    I wish I had more time to expound upon my findings. Unfortunately a family of Jews has moved in across the street and I must go speak to them of Jesus Christ before they are condemned to eternal hellfire.

    Please investigate this as you see fit and I'm sure you'll reach the same conclusions that I have.

    1. Re:Is Linux a Machination of Satan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check out this site. http://objective.jesussave.us/propaganda.html#APPL E It's histerical yet a little frightening, goes along nicely with the parent.

    2. Re:Is Linux a Machination of Satan? by Yottabyte84 · · Score: 1

      Wasn't this originaly written about OSX?

    3. Re:Is Linux a Machination of Satan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Might have been funny if Linux itself was actually based on BSD and not minix like it actually was dumbass

    4. Re:Is Linux a Machination of Satan? by miketang16 · · Score: 1

      Watch who you're calling dumbass... Linux was NOT based off Minix, Linux was a Minix REPLACEMENT. It was written completely from scratch.

      --
      -------
      "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
      -- George Orwell
    5. Re:Is Linux a Machination of Satan? by spudgun · · Score: 1

      Linux is a terminal Emulator that grew rather large and got many features added over the years

      --
      Type unto others as you would have them type unto you.
    6. Re:Is Linux a Machination of Satan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is where I roll my eyes, and feel ashamed to be a Christian. Ignorance is most likely the worst flaw ever to plague humanity. But then again, ignorance is bliss, that is until you have to wake up to the truth.

  7. The Linux Gay Conspiracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality,' which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.

    What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:

    • Linus Torvalds [microsoft.com] is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.
    • Richard M. Stallman [geocities.com], spokespervert for the Gaysex's Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad.
    • Alan Cox [microsoft.com] is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.

    I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual [goatse.cx] propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.

    Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail [microsoft.com], which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.'

    As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted [salon.com] on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.

    And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo [comp-u-geek.net] slut [rotten.com]!

    Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual [goatse.cx] perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children [slashdot.org]. To quote from the article linked:

    'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'

    Is this why you were touching your penis [rotten.com] in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?

    We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.' Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual [goatse.cx] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his

    1. Re:The Linux Gay Conspiracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Mandrake product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked, which is what they do.

      Actually, civileme (who is [was?] one of the Mandrake developers), got trolled pretty good here.

    2. Re:The Linux Gay Conspiracy by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      What makes you think that any Linux users might be gay?

      --

      I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
  8. LINUX is obsolete by __past__ · · Score: 4, Informative
    Don't get me wrong, I am not unhappy with LINUX. It will get all the people who want to turn MINIX in BSD UNIX off my back. But in all honesty, I would suggest that people who want a **MODERN** "free" OS look around for a microkernel-based, portable OS, like maybe GNU or something like that.
    Andrew Tanenbaum, 1992
    1. Re:LINUX is obsolete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. I always loved that post. In particular because I beleive that ast was right and lbt wrong.

      The effor spent on linux should have been spent on microkernels.

      To quote the post:

      "In fact the /whole/ linux kernel is much smaller than the 386-dependent
      things in mach: i386.tar.Z for the current version of mach is well over
      800kB compressed (823391 bytes according to nic.funet.fi). Admittedly,
      mach is "somewhat" bigger and has more features, but that should still
      tell you something. "

      What does it tell ? That mach was older than linux, so it was bigger. Now the linux kernel is a fat pig.

      And there is still no real mainstream micro kernels (no OSX is not a microkernel, and NT hardly).

    2. Re:LINUX is obsolete by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      What does it tell ? That mach was older than linux, so it was bigger. Now the linux kernel is a fat pig.

      I think it tells us that while there are differences between monolithic kernels and microkernels, size isn't one of them.

    3. Re:LINUX is obsolete by Mybrid · · Score: 1

      You need to educate yourself. Micro-kernels failed because of messaging overhead, otherwise known as "kernel crossings". The notion of having a micro-kernel with a bunch of "plubagle" services running in user space is a performance hog. Security is also an issue because the CPU only has two modes, protected and un-protected (user/kernel).

      I think the naive, first blush infation with micro-kernels is the same as with the notion today of a VM and particluraly Java. Arguably some people claim that modern CPUs are so fast we have performance excess to use. This is the only rationalization that justifies the existence of Java. However, performance does matter and there is no such thing as a free lunch.

      Let's build an OS using a VM layer exclusivly and a micro-kernel, yeah!

    4. Re:LINUX is obsolete by Pseudonym · · Score: 1
      You need to educate yourself. Micro-kernels failed because of messaging overhead, otherwise known as "kernel crossings".

      You need to educate YOURself. Old-style microkernels are doing well in the marketplace (e.g. NT), though they tend to perform poorly compared with monolithic kernels because they aren't "micro" enough. New-style microkernels (e.g. QNX, ChorusOS) are also doing well, though a few (e.g. BeOS) failed for business reasons.

      What you call "messaging overhead" is, in a modern microkernel, basically just copying data between address spaces. This is no more "overhead" than you would find in a monolithic kernel, where data has to be copied between "user space" and "kernel space" and back again.

      Or you may have meant the overhead of context switching. Yes, you're right. Context switching is expensive on an IA-32, because the chip flushes the TLB on every address space switch. This is a flaw in the x86 design, so you might say that monolithic kernels are better suited to Intel IA-32 CPUs, and I'd say you probably had a good case there. In defence of microkernels, though, I should note that a) there are ways around this (e.g. L4's small address space optimisation), and b) monolithic kernels like Linux are hitting this limitation too on 32-bit machines with lots of RAM (see, for example this patch).

      --
      sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f(q{sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f});
    5. Re:LINUX is obsolete by Mybrid · · Score: 1

      NT is a micro-kernel? Ho! Ho!

    6. Re:LINUX is obsolete by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      NT 3.51 and before were just as much microkernels as Mach is. Indeed, that's still arguably the case. NT's kernel has all sorts of GDI crap in it, but then Mach has a lot of networking crap in it.

      In the "most gratuitous kernel bloat" stakes, of course, none of these beat the web server in Linux. :-)

      --
      sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f(q{sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f});
  9. Slick Willy (Gates) speaks by glassesmonkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    Jim Alchin (Windows OS Chief) on Open-Source: CNET 2/14/2001
    "Open source is an intellectual-property destroyer. I can't imagine something that could be worse than this for the software business and the intellectual-property business."

    "I'm an American, I believe in the American Way. I worry if the government encourages open source, and I don't think we've done enough education of policymakers to understand the threat."

    "We can build a better product than Linux. There is always something enamoring about thinking you can get something for free."


    Bill Gates on Linux IP: CRN 7/25/2003
    "There's no question that in cloning activities, IP from many, many companies, including Microsoft, is being used in open-source software."

    Bill Gates on beating Linux at any price: USA Today 6/30/2003
    "Well I'm not sure what you mean by undercutting. We will never have a price lower than Linux, in terms of just what you charge for the software. We compete on the basis of, if you look at the value you get out of the system and the overall cost that the system has that apply in our software.

    Bill Gates on standards: CNN 9/18/2003
    Gates said the Redmond, Washington-based company's work toward Web services standards would be "royalty free." ... "I can't believe I said that," Gates joked.

    Balmer on Linux: E-week
    "Can IBM give you a product roadmap for Linux? Can they deliver new features and fixes to Linux? Does it indemnify the intellectual property in Linux? No, no and no,"

    1. Re:Slick Willy (Gates) speaks by Havokmon · · Score: 1
      Balmer on Linux: E-week
      "Can IBM give you a product roadmap for Linux? Can they deliver new features and fixes to Linux? Does it indemnify the intellectual property in Linux? No, no and no,"

      Classic information warfare: Always put your lie between two truths.

      --
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  10. If Linux Were A Car by Ed+Almos · · Score: 5, Funny

    OK, we've all heard the joke about Microsoft being a car and having to press the horn, flash the lights and open the drivers door to reset. I reckon it's about time the tables were turned:

    And if Linux was a car:

    1) It would come as a kit along with a copy of CAR HOWTO which would be six months out of date.

    2) You would also get three steering wheels and five headlights as part of the standard installation then be expected to pick which ones you wanted to use. There would be constant flame wars between the users of leather steering wheels and the users of the plastic variety.

    3) Due to its excessive size the car would not fit into a standard car parking bay and it would be up to the new owner to trim bits off until it could fit.

    4) The car would not use a standard radio wiring harness unless you patched the engine compartment using WIRING.TAR.GZ which would only be available by download from the manufacturers website.

    5) Support for the linux car would be available from either the car manufacturer (after taking out a maintenance contract and paying a fee) or by logging onto alt.linux.car.problems where every request for assistance would be met with 'RTFM !! V4|\|C3D l3e+$peA| i$ whEn J00 +4lK L1K3 t|-|15. t0 u|\|d3r$+@|\|D jOo |\/|u5+ be lEET. 1f J00 4r3 NO+ lEe+ jOO C@|\|N0T 5p3A| 0r ReAd +|-|I5

    6) Adding accessories to the car would be a nightmare. For example you could not add a pair of foglights on the front unless you had the following 'libraries' installed in your car.
    bumper.lib.1_6_483865
    electrics.lib_3_RH_9_ 35
    controls.lib.14_6_99
    If an attempt to run your foglights without these libraries were to be made (or the libraries were a different version) your foglights MIGHT work but if they didn't there would be no support as the maintainer of electrics.lib_3_RH_9_35 can no longer be found.

    7) You could only use your car with a trailer if you rebuilt the engine, this time with support for your model of trailer.

    8) Your car would be of doubtful heritage. Parts of the design would be claimed by Novell, other sections would be (C) The Open Linux Group and SCO will lay claim to the whole concept and demand $699 for continued use. One guy in Finland would claim that he designed the whole thing and Richard Stallman would claim that your car is really called GNU Car.

    9) Your car would take over five minutes to start. Faster starting methods would be available but be more unreliable, for example the brakes might not work after you start.

    10) There would be no warning lights on the car dashboard. All warnings concerning oil, water, lighting and general failures would be written to the /var/log/ directory where the driver and passenger can read them when they pull over and park.

    11) Additional storage could be achieved by using a roofrack, but the roofrack would be invisible until the driver issued the command 'mount -t /dev/roofrack /roof'. There would be problems unless the driver used the command 'umount /roof' before unscrewing the roofrack. Not all roofracks would work and some would just come back with the message 'roofrack is not a roof device' when issued with the mount command (and still remain invisible).

    Any more ?

    Ed Almos

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    1. Re:If Linux Were A Car by You're+All+Wrong · · Score: 0

      """
      1) It would come as a kit along with a copy of CAR HOWTO which would be six months out of date.
      """

      I recently had a console problem which wasn't covered in the HOWTO. When I worked out how to fix the problem I mailed the maintainer of the HOWTO with my suggestions for additions to it, and within 2 hours he'd added those and the new version was available from his site immediately.

      So they can be extremely up to date.

      YAW.

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    2. Re:If Linux Were A Car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry Ed doesn't work. You use to computer terms in places where you should be using car terms analogis to computer terms. For instance, #6. You could have said something like, ...you could not add a pair of fog lights on the front unless you had the following "accessories" installed...

    3. Re:If Linux Were A Car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "standard install"??? You're a redhat pansy, aren't you.

      Use a real distro. Install only 1 of what you want to install.

      Man I hate the misconceptions.

    4. Re:If Linux Were A Car by terrox · · Score: 1

      lol, so goddamn true. I installed Mandrake 9 just to check out this linux craze and ran across just about all of those problems. Especially the Nvidia Drivers installation process.

      I got some FUD

      Install Linux, it works.

    5. Re:If Linux Were A Car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I recently had an anecdotal experience. Blibety blah blah. Ergo, Scientology, er, Linux is good and it works.

    6. Re:If Linux Were A Car by Lars+T. · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      And unless your distro auto-updates the HOWTO from this web-site, the copy would still be six months out of date.

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    7. Re:If Linux Were A Car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      12) Instead of "new car smell" it would come with "used car smell". As in used by 100,000 sweaty geeks.

    8. Re:If Linux Were A Car by Cecil · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      If you have a problem with Nvidia's drivers, complain to them, or buy a video card from a vendor who works with the Linux community to provide open-source drivers.

      It's not Linux's fault Nvidia's got stupid drivers that need to be connected to the kernel with duct tape.

    9. Re:If Linux Were A Car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      <<#7: Again this was true about 8 years ago.>>

      Or, if you use Debian and want support for things like soundcards and SMB, true right now. My system never recovered from recompiling the kernel (which is why Linux isn't on that box anymore!)

    10. Re:If Linux Were A Car by terrox · · Score: 1

      true - but lots of people have nvidia cards.

    11. Re:If Linux Were A Car by spikev · · Score: 1

      I don't know if Nvidia's drivers are open source or not, but they already do a heck of a lot more of work with the community on driver issues than anyone else. And oh, about the install: RTFA!

    12. Re:If Linux Were A Car by shepd · · Score: 1

      >I don't know if Nvidia's drivers are open source or not

      They aren't. And, for lord only knows what reason, neither are their network drivers, which makes them particularly useless in linux (how does one download the drivers if the card support isn't included in the kernel without buying another card? if you do that, aren't you defeating the point a bit?)

      >but they already do a heck of a lot more of work with the community on driver issues than anyone else

      Yes, you often have to do that, or else your drivers won't work on very many kernels at all. :-S

      This is why I won't put an nvidia chipset board in my Linux server again...

      >And oh, about the install: RTFA!

      Too true! It isn't that hard, really. You just have to recompile the nvidia stuff EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU MAKE A CHANGE TO THE KERNEL. Sorry for the all caps, I'm just a little sore that a 10/100 NETWORK DRIVER is CLOSED SOURCE.

      This sorta means that if you upgrade your kernel, and you don't have the nvidia driver handy, you're hosed until you have another machine/NIC handy (of course, I do, but not at the time I was screwed...)

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    13. Re:If Linux Were A Car by Brandybuck · · Score: 2, Funny

      Obligatory FreeBSD FanBoy post (purely in jest):

      1) You still need the CAR HOWTO, but at least it's up to date.

      2) Yeah, you still need to choose a steering wheel. If you want though, you can just clamp a couple of channel-lock pliers onto the steering column.

      3) Fits into any garage. Heck, fits into most walkin closets. Won't fit in a doghouse though.

      4) Uses the standard radio wiring harness. Unfortunately, most radios have wires three inches too short to reach the plugs.

      5) Support available for a price, or free at the "We invented RTFM" Old Fart Channel.

      6) Accessories are easy to add via the port-accessory system, but very timeconsuming. Most accessories have funny little penguin logos on them.

      7) Trailer hitches are included as loadable modules, but only a few models are available.

      8) Car is of fine pedigreed heritage. Unfortunately, that pedigree is "Studebaker".

      9) Car takes 30 seconds to start. It's turning on the radio that takes five minutes.

      10) Warnings dutifully logged to the console. You do drive with the hood up so you can actually see the console, right?

      11) There's an autoroofrackmounterd, but it's a pain to set up. You could do put up the roofrack by hand, but only the registered owner of the vehicle is allowed to.

      ...and...

      12) Available with stylish KDE and GNOME exteriors, but people will still think it's a hearse.

      --
      Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
    14. Re:If Linux Were A Car by Cecil · · Score: 1

      Heh, you ran into the network driver problem too? Stupid nForce motherboards. I am scrapping my nForce PC as soon as possible and replacing it with something a bit more standard.

      The disgusting part is, that many people seem to think the nVidia NIC is just a rebranded Realtek 8139, it's just that all it's identification codes have changed so that rtl8139 and 8139too refuse to recognize it. The Realtek is so common and so cheap that I wouldn't even be remotely surprised.

      If that's the case, then here they are putzing around with a closed source Realtek 8139 driver. WTF?

    15. Re:If Linux Were A Car by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Offtopic? Yeah, because it's no FUD.

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      Lars T.

      To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck

    16. Re:If Linux Were A Car by You're+All+Wrong · · Score: 1

      Of course every copy is as old as the date when the copy was taken. Your argument is a straw man.
      However, there was a freely available up-to-date copy available.
      If you're not prepared to look at the source of the information for the latest information then you have a problem.

      YAW.

      --
      Your head of state is a corrupt weasel, I hope you're happy.
    17. Re:If Linux Were A Car by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      As opposed to yours? Look at his original statement, then stand in the corner of shame. It's Linutix like you that give Linutix like you a bad name.

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      Lars T.

      To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck

  11. A prof's trials with Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I teach OS concepts at a major college.

    What I've experienced with Linux is thus.

    It's for sure an inferior OS to UNIX and Windows because...

    1)It's really hard to use
    2)Not very stable
    3)Has little real security

    It's for sure dangerous to businesses and business computing in general because...

    1)It's source code is basically stolen from others work.
    2)It is free and has no market(money) driving it's development so therefore it's not good for the economy and the public interest in general
    3)The philosophy behind the distribution of Linux is Un-American and more like communism.
    This cannot be good for our country.
    It allows terrorists just enough encryption and power to aid them in their efforts to KILL us.
    4)The source is provided so ANYONE can create scripts and such to slam a linux system.

    It's role should just be for teaching OS concepts.
    In that role Linux is great. We use it in our classroom but I certainly explain to my students that it is not a real OS like Sun, SCO or Windows.
    If a student writes in a paper in my class and lists Linux as one of the OS's that make up the major market then they get an F on that paper.
    The reason is because Linux is not in the major Market it is in the minor market - the second rate
    special purpose OS's. Linux is not general enough
    to be considered an universal OS.

    In it's current state Linux is not ready for primetime. It will never be until Linus Torvalds
    does the following.

    1) Settle disputes with the IP holder of UNIX (SCO).
    2) Restricted source license.
    3) Make it a TRUE commercail OS
    4) Single source for distributing.(No SUSE, NO RH)

    After a couple of years of that you will see
    Linux become a first tier OS instead of a novelty
    OS.

    All I am saying is let's be realistic about what Linux is and is not.

    I am in the middle of an experiment.
    With the release of RH8 I decided to make it
    my exclusive Desktop OS to do all my work on it
    for one year.

    I bought RH 8 when it came out and the thing I noticed was I had to do about 6 weeks of almost constant tweeking and refining and reinstalling
    I finaly had it about 15% as productive as Windows 98! Think about that!
    It is also much much slower that Windows98.
    Even though I only load the absolutley minimum processes.

    1)It is not faster than Windows
    2)Does not manage memory better than NT or XP.
    3)The GUI is much less stable and crashes much more than winNT, XP or 98.

    These are just facts.

    1. Re:A prof's trials with Linux by RazorJ_2000 · · Score: 1

      Given your writing style, grammar, and spelling... you'd have the equivalent of an American grade 6 education. Some professor you are.

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    2. Re:A prof's trials with Linux by Second+Vampyre · · Score: 0

      are you retarded?

    3. Re:A prof's trials with Linux by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Grade 6? Then he writes better than most of /.

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    4. Re:A prof's trials with Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol. idiot.
      Yeah, that sounds accurate. *snicker*

    5. Re:A prof's trials with Linux by raju1kabir · · Score: 1
      It is free and has no market(money) driving it's development so therefore it's not good for the economy and the public interest in general

      Good point.

      There's an even worse case of this going on: The English language. People speak and read it, adding words and allowing others to fall into misuse, without any corporate entity providing profit-based guidance or deriving income from its use.

      This is not good for the economy and for the public interest in general. Therefore, I propose that people start speaking Raju1kabirish, which will require licensing payments of $100 annually. I am sure you will be the first one to sign up.

      Given your poor mastery of English, it would seem you have little invested in that platform anyway, so what have you got to lose? Put your money where your mouth is (wipe it off first though).

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    6. Re:A prof's trials with Linux by Master+Rux · · Score: 1

      Walrus - walrii
      bus - bii
      lol

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    7. Re:A prof's trials with Linux by toast0 · · Score: 1

      Umm... your examples don't correspond to the .sig, since radii is actually the plural of radius (check this link if you don't believe me)

    8. Re:A prof's trials with Linux by PianoComp81 · · Score: 1

      It's source code is basically stolen from others work.
      Stolen from those who freely contributed to it, right? Who has the source code been stolen from?

      It is free and has no market(money) driving it's development so therefore it's not good for the economy and the public interest in general
      And we should decide what OS we use on the basis of how good for the economy it should be? Please explain this "philosophy".
      Desktop users want something that's usable but not too expensive. Companies who buy servers want something that will achieve their objectives and help them increase profits and customer base. Sure, the end result goes towards helping the economy, but what if Linux will help the company achieve those goals better than Linux or SunOS? I'd say Linux would be helping the economy.

      The philosophy behind the distribution of Linux is Un-American and more like communism. This cannot be good for our country.
      I've heard this argument many times, and I'm still not convinced. Un-American is no competition. Linux has just added to the competition. It competes with Windows, SunOS, AIX, etc.

      It allows terrorists just enough encryption and power to aid them in their efforts to KILL us.
      If you know anything, you'll know that the CIA (and FBI, etc.) can break just about any encryption out there, regardless of who created it and how open/close it's source is.

      The source is provided so ANYONE can create scripts and such to slam a linux system.
      Anyone can do the same thing with Windows. You've heard about the recent attacks, right? I don't believe anything on Linux could easily propogate that quickly, that easily. Even if it's possible, it hasn't happened yet.

      If a student writes in a paper in my class and lists Linux as one of the OS's that make up the major market then they get an F on that paper.
      My emotional response is that professors like you (who think like this on any subject) should burn in Hell. Practially speaking, isn't college for coming up with ideas? How can you say that your idea is the RIGHT one? It's YOUR opinion, and there are many others out there with different opinions (and don't say you're the most qualified person to make such a judgment)

      The reason is because Linux is not in the major Market it is in the minor market - the second rate special purpose OS's. Linux is not general enough to be considered an universal OS.
      Then please explain IBM's strategy, and why it is a major leader in many different server markets?

      In it's current state Linux is not ready for primetime. It will never be until Linus Torvalds does the following.

      1) Settle disputes with the IP holder of UNIX (SCO).

      Ha! Like the Linux community can do anything about that until SCO actually gives the community something to change. Tell SCO to stop spreading rumors and actually show something concrete. What they have "shown" so far was way off track.

      2) Restricted source license.
      This is a benefit of Linux. Anyone can modify it if they so choose. However, there IS an official "kernel" (which is all Linux is, you know this, right?), and the releaser of this kernel (Linus) has been shown to be trustworthy.

      3) Make it a TRUE commercail OS
      Why does GNU/Linux have to be commercial? Sure, this is the current business model, but do you know that computers were developed in the university sytem, and that the developers of the first useful computer (the Whirlwind computer used by the US Air Force) was developed in a non-commercial way? There is not just one way to do things. Open Source (and therefore, Linux) is a new way of doing things.
      Also, RedHat, Mandrake, SuSE and others ARE commercial. Yes, they release a base product for free, but there are extended products that you would need to pay for. RedHat's turned a profit, and I believe Mandrake has too (if not yet, then within the next half year they will).
      Programs written fo

    9. Re:A prof's trials with Linux by Master+Rux · · Score: 1

      Those words popped into my head when I read his post and I couldn't stop laughing. So, I decided to post it for other's enjoyment, but you are correct.

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    10. Re:A prof's trials with Linux by SQLz · · Score: 2, Funny

      The only real points you made were:

      1. redhat sucks
      2. your a shitty professor

      We all knew #1 already, #2 I was pretty easy to figure out as well.

    11. Re:A prof's trials with Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nah u just teach at a community college. And you are mad that you cannont do what so many of us do daily, which is learn.

    12. Re:A prof's trials with Linux by cr@ckwhore · · Score: 1

      I hope to god that you're joking. If you are at all serious, does your cat's breath smell like cat food?

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  12. Linux problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Open Source fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Linux box (a P4 3200 w/1024 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Athlon 900 running Windows XP, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Linux box, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
    In addition, during this file transfer, Mozilla will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even vi is straining to keep up as I type this.

    I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Linux machines, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Linux box that has run faster than its Windows counterpart, despite the Linux machine's faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 3200 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that Linux is a "superior" OS.

    Open Source addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use an Open Source over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

    1. Re:Linux problems by Doug+Neal · · Score: 1

      I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Linux box (a P4 3200 w/1024 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder.

      Call yourself a freelancer? Try turning DMA on. You should know that. Yes it should be on by default, but at least it doesn't silently and irreversibly turn it off without warning when more than 6 timeouts occur on the bus. Like XP does.

      As far as productivity goes, it's all a question of what you're used to. I prefer linux as a desktop because it does what I need it to do in a way that I feel comfortable with. You feel the same about Windows. Which is fair enough, but it's just your opinion, it's not absolute.

    2. Re:Linux problems by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      well for sure you didn't 'get' it.

      it's the same old 'i bought a blazing fast new mac and it takes ages to copy a file' troll in slightly altered form.

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    3. Re:Linux problems by Doug+Neal · · Score: 1

      Ohh, that one. Yeah. Silly me.
      (?!)

    4. Re:Linux problems by mormop · · Score: 1

      I just copied a 64(ish)MB file from one folder to another (OpenOffice.org for windows -zip file) Took around 6 seconds.

      I strongly suggest that your hard disk is fucked.

      My Machine:

      Athlon XP1800, Mandrake 9.1 512MB RAM. 2x40GB Maxtor 5200rpm drives

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    5. Re:Linux problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Common, copy-cat, FUD flame. Get a life.

  13. Open Source? More like Openly Racist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    The Open Source movement, otherwise known as 'Free Software', has been a topic of considerable debate on the Internet's most controversial site. The majority of this debate has centered around the technical merits of the software, with the esteemed editors argueing against adopting Linux by employing the full depth of their considerable intellects, and the other side hurling death threats and similar invective. This has allowed many who would not otherwise receive quality information about Open Source software to be made aware of many of its ramifications, but one issue has been left alone: The overt racism that is deeply embedded in the movement.

    Allow me to explain.

    Alan Cox; Richard Stallman; Bruce Perens; Wichert Akkerman; Miguel DeIcaza.

    What do you see in this list of names? Are there any African-Americans on it? Absolutely not, none of those names sound like one a self-respecting black person would have! No Maurice, no Luther, no Lil' Kim. There are many other lists such as this, you can see one here. Flip through each page, do you see anything other than white faces? Of course you don't, because Open Source and its adherents are ardent racists and they absolutely forbid access to the sacred 'kernel' by any person of color.

    Lets look at another list, this time a compendium of the companies using Linux. Are there any black owned companies on that list? Nooooooo. How about these companies? They all have something to do with Open Source software, any of them owned by an African-American? No again. Here is an extensive collection of photographs from a LUG (Linux User Gathering) meeting, more can be viewed at that link. What is odd about these pictures, and every other photograph I have ever seen of a LUG meeting, is that there is not one single black person to be seen, and probably none for miles.

    More racist overtones can be found by examining the language of Open Source. They often refer to 'white hat' hackers. These 'white hats' scurry about the Internet doing good, but illegal, acts for their fellow man. In stark contrast we find the 'black hat' hackers. They destroy the good works of others by breaking into systems, stealing data, and generally causing havoc. These two terms reflect the mindset of most Linux developers. White means good, black means bad. Anywhere there is black, there is uncontrollable destruction and lawlessness. Looking further we see black lists that inform other users of 'bad' hardware, Samba, an obvious play on the much hated Little Black Sambo book, Mandrake, which I won't explain except to say that the French are notorious racists. This type is linguistic discrimination is widespread throughout the Open Source culture, lampooned by many of its more popular sites.

    It is also a fact that all Unix 'distros' contain a plethora of racist commands with not so hidden symbolism.

    It can hardly be coincidence that the prime operating system of choice of the 'open source supremacists' - Linux, features commands which are poorly disguised racist acronyms. For example: 'awk' (All White Klan) , 'sed' (shoot nEgroes dead), 'ln' (lynch negroes), 'rpm' (raical purity mandatory), 'bash' (bring a slave home), 'ps' (persecute sambo), 'mount' (murder or unseat nubians today), 'fsck' (favored supreme Christian klan). I could go on and on about the latent racist symbolism in Linux, but I fear it would take weeks to enumerate every incidence.

    Is there a single unix command out there that does not have some hidden racist connotation ? Suffice it to say that the racism pervades Linux like a particularly bad smell. Can you imagine the effect of running such a racist operating system on the impressionable mind ? I don't have to remind you that transmitting subliminal messages is banned in the USA, and yet here we have an operating system that appears to be one enormous submliminal ad for the Klan!

    One of the few selling points of Open Source software is that it is available in many different languages. Browsing through the list I see that absolut

    1. Re:Open Source? More like Openly Racist by Yottabyte84 · · Score: 1
    2. Re:Open Source? More like Openly Racist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You say all of that like it is a bad thing.

  14. LINUX RULEZ!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hahaha micro$hit SUX ASS ahahhahahaha!

    if you use micro$hit winblows ur probably a FAG and like to have sex wit hMENS BUTTS!!!!1

    LiNuX is good bcuz it is OPEN SOURACE and you can get all kinds of things to make it look good i think that windows looks gay bcuz every ones computer looks the same lol

    on my linux i use EXCITMENT with my own theme "PURE BLUE" whenever my friends come over who use windos theyr like WHAT THE FUCK your computer is "ELETE"

    i installed LiNuX on the computar at school now I can use OPEN SOURCE everywhere LOL! i am also going to make my first project from COMPUTERS class OPEN SOURCE and put it on my webpage!!!

    FUCK MICRO$HIT LINUX RULEZZZ!!!!

    1. Re:LINUX RULEZ!!!! by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      if you use micro$hit winblows ur probably a FAG and like to have sex wit hMENS BUTTS!!!!1

      It's interesting to note that a lot of Linux was written by European developers. Europeans tend to be more accepting of gay and lesbian people than North Americans.

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    2. Re:LINUX RULEZ!!!! by Master+Rux · · Score: 1

      And as an 4|\|0|\|Y|\/|0|_|5 he firmly stands behind his statements.
      Dood I'm so 1337.
      $5 says he's actually a windows using script kiddy.

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  15. Linux Sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This past year, I was accepted into Carnegie Mellon's School of Computer
    Science. It has been a remarkable experience that I would like to share with
    the Slashdot community. Here's an account of my experience.

    Week 1, Sunday: I moved in today. My roommate, a sophomore CS student, had
    already moved in two days before me. The floor is already completely covered
    with garbage. He also smells. I think he might be gay too. He's already asked
    me if I like the color he painted his toenails. This should be interesting. I
    am almost completely settled in. Techno music is playing in every room in every
    floor of my dorm. There are computers and other types of trash out in the
    common areas. What a mess. Tomorrow, I am going to go sign up to get my network
    connection.

    Week 1, Monday: I got hooked up to the CMU network today! I jacked into the
    network, only to find that the hostname and address assigned to me were
    colliding with another system. I'll just increment the network numbers a few
    times. I am really eager to get on.

    Week 1, Tuesday: I am still looking for a free IP address. Can't anybody here
    properly configure their systems?

    Week 1, Friday: I finally found a free IP! It's mine! You sons of bitches can't
    have it, I found it, I keep it, it's mine! To hell with all of you! Head hurts
    really bad. I've slowly been developing a headache since I first arrived.
    Everywhere I look there are these Lucent Technologies wireless access points. I
    wonder if that's the problem.

    Week 1, Saturday: I sat down at my computer today. My desktop wallpaper is now
    the goatse.cx guy. Pleasant. Scattered over every directory on my C: drive are
    thousands, possibly millions, of files titled "J00AR30WN3DBITCH-phj33r-" and
    then some random hacker's name. Don't these people have lives? Maybe they need
    laid or something. It'd take days to clean this out. I mentioned to my roommate
    that I needed to reinstall Windows, and immediately he jumped up and shouted:
    "NO! Do NOT use Windows!" Suddenly, two dozen other guys (all of them possibly
    homosexuals) appeared at the door, each touting an operating system called
    Linux. Half of them got into a fight over which was better, Debian, RedHat,
    Slackware, and a bunch of others I couldn't recognize. Some kid who appeared to
    not have showered since he was born was touting "Linux From Scratch", saying
    that only losers used pre-made distros. A crowd of people in the back kept
    quiet about how I'd be sorry if I used Linux instead of BSD on the network. Who
    the fuck are these people? Classes start next week. Hope I have my computer
    working so I can do my assignments.

    Week 3, Friday: People are still trying to get Linux to work on my system. They
    keep telling my that my hardware sucks. We go through about four or five
    distributions a day. Every now and then, I notice a little devil on my screen.
    Stickers for every of these distributions have been plastered on my case.
    Suddenly, my room stinks a lot more with these people in here. I ask them why
    they never shower, and the usual response is something along the lines of
    "showering is like rebooting" and "I don't want to lose my uptime."

    Week 3, Saturday: There's a troop of men running naked in a circle around
    McGill Hall. I am not even going to ask.

    Week 4, Wednesday: Linux is FINALLY working on my computer! I have a pretty
    slick desktop too. I think I might like this. I can finally work in my room
    instead of the labs, although considering the every increasing layer of garbage
    on the floor...

    Week 4, Thursday: My computer flashes messages about how I am "0WNX0RED" and
    how I should "PHJ33R" whoever and how "L4MEX0R" I am for having an insecure
    box. A kid suggests we reinstall Linux after discovering about 17 rootkits.

    Week 5, Friday: Someone got BSD working on my computer. I wonder if this will
    last. The stress has been building and I forgot to take a shower this morning.

    1. Re:Linux Sucks by JohnFluxx · · Score: 1

      Boy, that's an oldie - I remember reading that many years back.

    2. Re:Linux Sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "showering is like rebooting" and "I don't want to lose my uptime."

      LOL

      I have to tell Mom next time I come out of the basement.

    3. Re:Linux Sucks by openmtl · · Score: 1

      Generally Gays are very clean and they probably use Macs. Why ? - because they usually earn more than others on average and can afford nice shiny new PowerPC based systems which us breeders just drool over in magazines.

      --

    4. Re:Linux Sucks by HostileTarget · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you live in hammerschlag. Ha ha I pitty you. Stop by the CS lounge some time. It's really frightening. Otherwise, I say move to Morewood next year, there's more normal people in that dorm.

  16. GNOME: Where Does the Funding Come From? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Friends, those of you who watch the wonderful Fox News Channel know that Bill O'Reilly has been doing an excellent series on the Linux operating system and the GNOME desktop environment. He's been doing some digging and has come up with some preliminary results that he's going to unveil on "The O'Reilly Factor." Well, I got an advance copy of his results from the web site, and so I thought I would share them with you and the rest of the community. It is important that we monitor these people and make sure we know what they're up to.
    • The ACLU (Anti-Christian Litigation Unit) donated $10,000 directly to Miguel. There can be no doubt that this money is a reward for the development of software that is intended to promote communism. The ACLU will not stop until we are all ruled under their iron fist. It makes sense that they would donate money to a cause that has the destruction of capitalism and decent Christian society at the top of its list.

    • The American Atheists also made a sizable donation to the FSF, with the express condition that the money go to the GNOME project. The check was signed by Madalyn Murray O'Hair herself .. before she was killed by some noble soul .. so this means that the atheists, as an organization, must have been prepared for this! They must have known years ago that somebody would invent some sort of technology that would work to attack capitalism at its roots, and they wanted to have the check signed in advance. If there was ever any doubt that atheists are pathetic socialists, that doubt can be dispelled.
    • The Sierra Club donated $25K to the FSF as well, and while they did not specify that any of that money was to go to GNOME specifically, you can bet that the free software commies and environazis made some sort of slick deal behind the scene. Environmentalism translates directly to communism, and it should come as no surprise that these tree-hugging hippies are in bed with the GNOME socialists. What will their slogan be next year? "Plant a tree, erase a Windows partition, destroy capitalism?" Friends, that's probably not too much off the mark.
    • Troop 317 of the Girl Scouts of America donated 50% of the proceeds from their cookie sales to the FSF. Friends, while it is heartwarming to see young women being prepared for the role of cookie-preparer (as is demanded by Scripture), it is sickening to see girls band together in a cheap imitation of the Boy Scouts. This smacks of feminism, and is probably the work of the damnable National Organization for Women. Patricia Ireland and the rest of NOW are most likely behind this socialist donation.
    So there's the money trail, friends. We will have to watch this closely. But to any and all GNOME-friendly people reading this post, know this: We are on to you. Do you understand me? We're on to you. You'll have to be a little more careful in the future, my socialist compadres. We're one step ahead of you all.

    Thank you for your time.

  17. Dear nerds, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, but there's not a single Linux program that Windows users are itching for. Not one. May I suggest putting your programming resources into improving those pieces of shit that currently make up the vast majority of Linux apps? Maybe one day, you too can have a decent web
    browser!

    1. Re:Dear nerds, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the real issue is that a lot of the good Linux software is portable to Windows.

    2. Re:Dear nerds, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, I'll bite. I am a windows user and a professional windows developer. However, I also have only legally licensed software on my home machine (running XP Professional). Yes, I even purchased my copy of WinZip. I can't really afford MS Office, and use OpenOffice for opening MS Office documents people send me or for things I create at work and need to take home with me. I haven't created many documents in OpenOffice. I prefer to use Netscape Composer. Most of the things I write don't need strict page breaking anyway.

      I don't actually do any Windows development at home. I do still program a lot at home. Most of that is done in Java using NetBeans. I use emacs for other programming tasks (especially if I am programming in Lisp).

      I recently started grad school (still working at the windows shop). All of the machines run RedHat. It has been a while, but I have used various versions of Mandrake in the past (we have a bugzilla machine at work, our only linux box). I also have previous experience with FreeBSD and Solaris. Anyway, when I am in the lab I use RedHat. The computers owned by the school are fairly slow, to the point where using emacs is a pain. I am learning vim (I have used emacs for about eight years). The only bright side of using the school computers are the access they provide me to a beowulf cluster (research I am doing) and Mozilla. Mozilla really rocks. I am hooked on the tabbed browser windows. I haven't yet upgraded my home machine, and have to research what I have to give up by abandoning IE (in terms of how many websites I go to are IE only). I ssh into the school computers from home using PuTTY. The other applications I regularly use:
      Flash,
      Freehand,
      Paint Shop Pro,
      Animation Master.

      Anyway, I am in no position to abandon Windows on my home computer. However, the ability to interoperate with my school computers, the ability to run a decent free (as in beer) database (PostgreSQL, which admittedly runs under Cygwin), Mozilla, better CLISP support, and the low cost of hardware has lead me to purchase an additional computer for using Linux (RedHat). I'll readily admit to being a nerd, but I am by no means a zealot.

      If gcc could improve (see Dr Dobbs C++ compiler shootout for a better take on this), then the development scene would be better in Linux. I do find emacs and vim useful, but I am not nearly as productive using them as I am Visual Studio (except for Lisp programs in emacs). Furthermore, KDevelop and the like are too slow and missing too many features to bother with (yes, I would rather use vim and bitch about missing a good IDE than use one of the alternatives). I don't really like netbeans either, but I haven't found anything better (on any machine slower than 2.4 GHz I will just use vim). I even tried Eclipse. I wasn't that impressed. Another good dev application that I miss on linux is an equivalent to Microsoft's SQL Server Enterprise Manager / Query Analyzer. Enterprise manager is a great tool for building / designing databases, and Query Analyzer is an amazing tool for hand writing queries (the estimated execution plan is very useful--otherwise vim and emacs are just as good). I would rather make databases for SQL Server than anything else right now because of these tools. Linux lacks a good replacement for Flash, Freehand, Paint Shop Pro, and Animation Master (note, I have used Gimp and Blender. They don't cut it). I would be willing to pay for these things on linux as I did on Windows.

      Ok, so in summary, I like OpenOffice, emacs, vim, and Mozilla. I like PostgreSQL, but don't like the tools to actually use it. The email clients in Linux are better than outlook express (too bad I need Outlook at work for use with the exchange server). The comparable applications for Flash and Animation Master (in price and functionality) aren't up to snuff in Linux.

      Now I am done rambling...

    3. Re:Dear nerds, by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      First if you program in Lisp in Emacs you are with out a nerd.
      "If gcc could improve (see Dr Dobbs C++ compiler shootout for a better take on this)"
      Frankly that was one of the worst comparisons I have ever read in my life. The test cases where lame in the extream. They should have tried to compile some real programs like POV, Mozilla, or even GCC.The whole size of executiables was just dump. If you do not use IOSTREAM the size of the gcc files drops right down. The large size has more to do with the library than the compiler in that case. It also means as the programs get larger it means less.
      He also under valued standards and portability. You can not use VC++ or Mars to write code for Linux, Solaris, or BSD. You can not use the Intel compiler to write code for any CPU but Intel.

      All that artical did was to tell you that if you want to write small demo programs for Windows that VC++ was the easiest, Intel was the fastest, Mars C++ is cheapest. It was a shallow lame artical and not what I would expect from DDJ. Frankly DDJ has gone way downhill.
      BTW I am not bashing Mars. It looks like a very nice free Windows development system.

      --
      See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
    4. Re:Dear nerds, by Malek+the+Damned · · Score: 1
      a decent web browser!

      Ahhh, something windows bunnies have been dreaming about for years.

      I've got 4 very good browsers installed, if you'd like a recommendation...

      Jealousy gets you nowhere.

    5. Re:Dear nerds, by Havokmon · · Score: 1
      Sorry, but there's not a single Linux program that Windows users are itching for. Not one.

      I read that and first thought, "Hmm Some people REALLY like MSOffice."

      Oh, you said it the other way around. I read it like I see it. :)

      --
      "I can't give you a brain, so I'll give you a diploma" - The Great Oz (blatently stolen sig)
  18. Terrorism by bconway · · Score: 3, Funny

    Linux: A response to the perceived threat of a capitalistic monopoly.
    Terrorism: A response to the perceived threat of a capitalist society.

    Linux: Supported by a devout group of fanatics dedicated to the cause.
    Terrorism: Supported by a devout group of fanatics dedicated to the cause.

    Linux: Seen by the rest of the world as a "fringe" operating system.
    Terrorism: Seen by the rest of the world as a "fringe" group.

    Linux: Attractive to those looking to destroy Microsoft and the software industry.
    Terrorism: Attractive to those looking to destroy the USA and the rest of the infidels.

    Linux: Recruits loners and outcasts into its loyal user-base.
    Terrorism: Recruits loners and outcasts into its training camps.

    Linux: Drew vast amounts of funding from supporters, with only ideological returns.
    Terrorism: Drew vast amounts of funding from supporters, with only ideological returns.

    --
    Interested in open source engine management for your Subaru?
    1. Re:Terrorism by torpor · · Score: 1

      Linux: Helps achieve progressive strides in technological endeavours, from surf-board manufacturing to hydroponics, to flight control systems for handgliders.
      Terrorism: Doesn't.

      --
      ; -- the corruption of government starts with its secrets. a truly free people keep no secrets. --
    2. Re:Terrorism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Terrorism: Justifies the existance of our military/industrial complex employing millions of good loyal hardworking Americans.

      Linux: Doesn't.

    3. Re:Terrorism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't go out an buy Microsoft products, the Terrorists win!

    4. Re:Terrorism by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Damn, you're right. I'll stop supporting Linux and start supporting terrorism immediately. ;)

      --
      If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
    5. Re:Terrorism by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1
      Linux: Attractive to those looking to destroy Microsoft and the software industry.

      Terrorism: Attractive to those looking to destroy the USA and the rest of the infidels.


      Particularly since the USA funds terrorism all over the world. The UK has had terrible problems with terrorism for over 40 years, all funded by the evil American government.

  19. A message from Linus Torvalds: Please Read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hello Slashdotters, Linus here. Over the last 10 years we have done a great job in making Linux into an amazing operating system. We still have a ways to go if we want to defeat Microsoft, but I have no doubt we will get there if a major problem is dealt with.

    This major problem is Richard Stallman (aka RMS). For years he has been the thorn in Linux's side. First, it's bad enough that he insists that everyone call Linux, GNU/Linux, as if he had anything to do with the initial creation or naming of Linux.

    That isn't the biggest problem. The biggest problem is his appearance and attitude. The guy admits to being a goat fucker. Who is going to take someone who says that seriously? Stallman hasn't bathed in decades. Who is going to want an operating system from someone who hasn't bathed in 20 years? As much as any of us may hate Bill Gates, he takes a shower every day, and that helped Microsoft be in the position it now is in. I am taking a shower every day to help Linux. Are you?

    Stallman plucks dandruff out of his hair while he talks to you. That alone has got to turn you off Linux.

    Stallman can't even clean up after himself. This is equally true in his code just as much as he leaves used condoms all over the place. Frankly, his homosexual behavior and sex with goats that leaves all of these used condoms all over the place is simply unacceptable and makes Linux look like a joke. Please don't take this the wrong way. I have nothing against homosexuality (although having sex with goats is just plain sick) except when it interferes with Linux.

    In conclusion, I am tired of Dirty GNU Hippies like Stallman causing problems for Linux. He must be stopped at all costs. I call on the Slashdot community to rise up and reject Stallman. Do it for Linux!

  20. LiNSux: the collector's edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Despite all of the witty rhetoric and insightful commentary on this site, many of the readers have lost touch with one important fact. What is it, you ask? Well...

    Frankly, LINUX SUCKS. It is the buggiest, most unstable operating system ever created for IBM PC (c). It is not hard to see why.

    Most linux developers lost their saving throw versus pathetic nerddom a long time ago. You'll find them huddled in their parent's basements, living on candy bars and Captain runch. You wouldn't let these feebleminded boys ow your lawn, so why should you allow them to design your operating system?

    Look at the calender, people. The year is 2002, not 1979. Nerdly losers are, well, losers. There will be no golden pocket protectors for this decade's foul crop. Distributing your source code for free is just an indication that you realize how much it sucks, have accepted the aforementioned suckage, and are moving on to your next job at Denny's.

    However, misery loves company (unless it's the company le miserable in question used to work for.) Hence, the open source "headmen" spread fear and hate through their communistic followers. They are merely trying to get revenge on their smarter, cleaner, colleagues, who are weathering the economic downturn. Make no mistake. When slashdot calls for the downfall of Blizzard or Microsoft, it is not because these companies are "unfree," it's because their very existence mocks the stale dreams of the would be "'leetists." It's nerd against nerd. What a sad, sad spectacle.

    But there is something you can do about it. Visit your local computer store today and buy a licensed copy of Windows XP, the most innovative operating system ever created. It's hard to get help when your operating system is created by a bunch of teenagers who can't even match their socks or get a date. But when you're using Windows XP, customer service will gladly help you with any problem you may encounter. Not only that, but you'll be in the company of scientists, engineers, administrators, and everyone else who just doesn't give a fuck about configuring his /etc/fstab. Remember, linux is only "free" if your time is of no value. Also, linux is only secure if your computer is not connected to the internet. Give up your futile, sexually repellent nerdisms and return to the company that started it all.

  21. Linux: the hype is over. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Linux: the hype is over

    According to the latest Gartner group research report, the Linux hype is finally over. Research shows that market share of linux-driven production servers on the internet has finally declined to a single-digit number. The reasons for this are clear:

    * Linux is very unstable
    * Linux has a very unreliable filesystem
    * Everybody uses Windows or BSD, nowadays

    Research has clearly pointed out, that although there are still hordes of pinguin-dressed geeks running around MIS departments, the management has grown wise and doesn't even allow Linux workstations anymore, since the costs in maintaining these machines turned out to be astronomically high. The reasons for this are clear as well.

    * Installation is a pain in the ass and it usually takes a whole support team to install a geeks' workstation
    * Installation and maintenance requires 4-5 times the bandwidth a 'normal' OS would require
    * Linux was deliberately made completely incompatible and inoperable with turnkey solutions like MS Exchange or MS SQL server. Investments in these products are therefore voided the minute you start rolling out Linux.

    * Web applications developed in Perl or C, the languages of the linux community have proven to be slow, unreliable and headaching complicated. Once developed and debugged, nobody is able to understand the code.

    Therefore, it has been statistically proven that most companies have already moved away from Linux. All the 'geeks' wearing tux t-shirts re actually MIS support guys who are still studying for their MCSE exam. 'The screaming fast linux machines at work' are actually refurbished workstations at a separated network segment, not allowed on the production net since every linux (l)user seems to need nmap to perform normal work-related computer operations. All the 'cool' apache web servers are actually IIS machines with forged host headers. (yes, you can do that in IIS without recompiling anything. Heck, I lived for years without a C compiler and still do. ) And, for the rare instance where a free unix is actually used in a production environment, management has smartened up and BSD is usually installed.

  22. Heh by EdMack · · Score: 1

    My sig :)

    --
    puts ("Python r0cks\n");
  23. LINUX is obsolete by sICE · · Score: 3, Informative
    I still maintain the point that designing a monolithic kernel in 1991 is a fundamental error. Be thankful you are not my student. You would not get a high grade for such a design :-)

    -- Andy Tanenbaum (to Linus Torvalds
    in the LINUX is obsolete thread)
  24. Hidden side effects of using Lunix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Dear Fellow Patrons of Slashdot,

    I would like to share with you a story - a story of pain, rejection, denial, loneliness, and perhaps, at the end, triumph and a happy ending. This story begins just three short years ago...

    I was in my senior year of highschool, and as was the style at the time, I was very much interested in computers. I loved to take them apart, figure out how they worked, write programs with Microsoft's fine development environment, Visual Studio [microsoft.com]. As was also the style at the time, I loved to read webpages, in particularly, Slashdot.org [slashdot.org]. Perhaps you can guess what happened next. I began to slowly change - I developed an unhealthy obsession with computers, began to dislike and openly question America's policies, started shamelessly pirating music [napster.com] and software [gnu.org], and most dangerously, got turned on to that most deviant operating system of all - Linux.

    Now I know many of you must be shaking your head in disgust at this point - "This must just be another one of those M$ trolls, hardee har har," but please, hear me out. This is very important.

    As time went on, I got deeper and deeper in the Linux underground. I progressed through the various levels of "distros," from Mandrake, to Suse, to RedHat, finally to Debian, like a drug user going from harmless marijuana to cocaine and heroin. I thought I was so smart; I began sneering at other people who didn't use Linux - "Clueless Windo$e luzers," I would say. I was changing outwardly as well. I became a loner, hunched over the keyboard late into the night with the lights off, listening to my illegally downloaded music [kazaa.com]. All my friends left me after I broke their computers trying to install Linux on them. My hair grew long and unkempt, I stopped bathing and using deodorant, calling them "tools of capitalism and American greed." I got fired from my sysadmin job for installing slackware over the Solaris servers, and installing Debian over the Windows desktops. My bosses told me I cost the company hundreds of thousands of dollars, but I would not listen. "How could I be wrong, I'm using Linux?" I thought, "They must be M$ shills." You can see how far gone I was. No girls would look at me, let alone speak to me. I was in a world of pain, anger, and confusion [adequacy.org].

    But, then one day, I took a long hard look at myself. I saw that something was wrong, but did not know what. I must confess, for a long time I denied what I knew deep down inside my heart - Linux was the cause of all my troubles. I saw what I had allowed myself to become. I was no longer a human being, I was a Linux Zealot. Instead of judging people by their thoughts, feelings, and actions, I judged them by their choice of Operating System. And so began the long road toward recovery...

    I am still not fully recovered from my affliction, for you see, I have only one desktop machine, and cannot install Windows without losing much of my data. That's right, I am healthy enough to admit it, Linux is not for desktop use. I am planning my next desktop machine purchase, which will be an Apple iBook. The one good thing that came out of my years of torment is that I learned the power of Unix. Therefore, I will use MacOSX - a true Unix with excellent support and commercial software backing, something Linux will never have. By paying for my software from now on, I will be supporting the American economy. I want to help get America out of this economic tailspin [www.vasoftware] brought on by open source software [communism.org] and the dot com bust [fuckedcompany.com]. More importantly, I will no longer be an operating system zealot. I wi

  25. Win 2K and the SAK Offer Superior Value Over Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This white paper describes the complete appliance solution of Windows 2000 and the Microsoft Server Appliance Kit 2.0. The paper also describes seven key benefits to OEMs that use Windows 2000 and the SAK 2.0 over similar Linux-based solutions.

    Summary
    The Windows 2000 appliance solution offers OEMs industry-leading performance and scalability, high availability, and data protection. Appliances powered with Windows are also customized and pre-configured for a specific function such as file serving or Web content serving, allowing for fast and simple deployment. Therefore, these appliances based on Windows 2000 offer both OEMS and their customers superior value when compared with similar Linux-based solutions.

    Specifically, Windows 2000 and the Microsoft Server Appliance Kit 2.0 provide a range of benefits for their customers. Benefits include:

    =Faster time to market
    =Ease of deployment and administration
    =Interoperability across multiple network =operating systems
    =Lower cost of ownership and development
    =Clarity of intellectual property ownership
    =Predictability of the development process

  26. Here are some by MrHanky · · Score: 2, Informative
    Old, but good:

    Linux is i386 only. It is not portable to other platforms, like MIPS, Alpha, PPC, etc. Windows NT is a modern, portable 32 bit operating system.

    Linux does not support SMP. The Linux hackers are just kids with too much time on their hands, and they will never be able to afford serious hardware.

    Linux is obsolete. The monolithic kernel is a joke, and will never scale past the level of a play-thing. In a couple of years, most people will run the GNU Hurd on 64 bit Sparc CPUs.

    I can probably come up with some that are still true, but right now I'm too tired. Oh yes: The Gentoo Linux Installation Manual is sure to create some Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt among those who want to look into Linux as a replacement for their pre-installed Windows.

    1. Re:Here are some by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > Oh yes: The Gentoo Linux Installation Manual is sure to create
      > some Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt among those who want to look
      > into Linux as a replacement for their pre-installed Windows.

      Gentoo is not really intended for first-timers. If they've never
      used anything besides Windows before, give 'em Mandrake or something
      like that and let them get their feet wet gradually. Gentoo is for
      people who know enough to have specific ideas about how they want
      their system built, what kernel options they want, and what apps they
      want, people who are likely to understand the value of compiling
      from source, people who are going to want to update certain packages
      at certain times (when new versions of certain things are available).
      That's all great, but none of it describes someone who has never
      used anything but Windows before. Give them a more newbie-friendly
      distro and let them learn to swim in the deep end of the pool before
      you throw them into the middle of the Pacific.

      --
      Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
    2. Re:Here are some by Krunch · · Score: 1
      Linux is i386 only. It is not portable to other platforms, like MIPS, Alpha, PPC, etc. Windows NT is a modern, portable 32 bit operating system.

      Actually that one is from Linus himself.
      It is NOT protable (uses 386 task switching etc)[...]
      http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1991Aug25.205 708.9541%40klaava.Helsinki.FI
      --
      No GNU has been Hurd during the making of this comment.
  27. Open Source is NOT the issue - its the IMAGE. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I wonder if Slashdot readers have thought about the opinion of the general public of Open Source/GNU/Linux etc.

    I have been involved in the marketing (dirty word I know!) of software and hardware to non-technical people for a number of years. The consultancy group I work for numbers many of America's top blue-chip electronics and software corporations among its clients, I have over 11 years experience of marketing, and 4 years experience of software development (VB) and systems administration (NT 3.51), in addition to a marketing science qualification from one of America's top business schools - so it's safe to say that I know what I am talking about when it comes to computers and marketing.

    I have been keeping an eye this forum for quite some time now, as part of my daily intelligence gathering, I find the robust exchange of views, and technical arguments make an interesting diversion from some of the other corporate bullshit I have to deal with in my working day. I also read corporate intelligence reports from the Gartner group, Forrester, the Meta group, and Olsen Online Business Intelligence Services. Slashdot has often proved to be far more accurate when it comes to the technical details,and I am often amazed at the incredible levels of intelligence and insight shown by its readership, some of whom demonstrate a knowledge of Linux and Operating systems far in advance of anyone I have ever met, even in the IS department of major corporations. For this reason, I feel I should contribute my 2c to the debate about the future direction of Linux and the whole Open Source movement in general.

    I feel I can do my bit for the Open Source community by offering (free of charge) some of my hard-earned knowledge straight from the bloody trenches at the front-line of tech-Marketing. Normally I would be paid over $4000/day for my perspective, but Slashdot - this one's on me. You people can think of it as my small and unworthy attempt to "give something back" to the Community.

    Why Linux/Open Source has an image problem in major US Corporations and what the community can do about it. Like any movment, political or religious, Open Source/Linux has its Leaders, High priests and Gurus. These high profile individuals represent the public face of the organization. Like it or not, these people are associated with the product in the eyes of the buying public. One of the first things the Linux movement must do in order to gain acceptence by middle-America and Joe-and-Jean Sixpack and their 2.4 kids, is to develop what we in the Marketing profession call a "Happy Face".

    When Joe Sixpack drives past a McDonald's, he associates it with the smiling face of Ronald McDonald the clown,and quality food served quickly. When he is choosing a collect-call company, the smiling face of Al Bundy (of TV's Married with Children) springs to mind, and when he thinks of fried chicken in large capacity bucket-like containers, it is the image of the happy-go-lucky avuncular Colonel with his associations of good old Southern hospitality that sticks in his memory. (In marketing terms this is known as a "positive association". Because the image puts the consumer into a "buying-receptive" mental state).

    Linux/Open Source lacks any kind of "Happy Face". Now this in itself is not a problem, were it not for the fact that Linux has several extremely high-profile advocates who are the exact opposite of "Happy Faces" in that they invite negative associations into the consumers head and put him/her into a state known by Marketers as "passive-aggressive sales-message rejection" (In layman's terms they don't want to buy the product).

    Now, I will not lower the tone of the debate by naming names. I will give a few brief profiles and community members will know who I am talking about.

    In reverse order of harmfullness we have the laconic, dour nothern European. Not known for his sense of hunor, and with far too many nights spent coding when he should have been out partying he creates an image of Linux as the OS of choice for "fr

    1. Re:Open Source is NOT the issue - its the IMAGE. by EventHorizon · · Score: 1

      Wow. You get paid $4000/day to suggest putting XML in the kernel?

      Screw senior software engineer! How do I get started in marketing?

    2. Re:Open Source is NOT the issue - its the IMAGE. by jo42 · · Score: 1


      No, no, no! The interface to the high holy Linus kernel should be XML-based...

  28. KDE Myths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Free software is a hotbed of myths and general nonsense, and perhaps the most prevalent myths of all are the ones surrounding the entire KDE/GNOME desktop schism. The KDE project is famous for its organised trolling of various weblogs and message board associated with Linux and Free software/open source. In this short article I will answer some of the more half-assed nonsense, FUD and myths spewed by KDE zealots.
    • Myth: KDE is more integrated than GNOME
      Reality: The oft-heard cry of the noisiest KDE advocates. No explanation is given - the reader is expected to simply grok the wholesomeness of KDE, and the lack of this mystical quality in GNOME. It's nonsense of course. Neither desktop is particularly "integrated" compared to Windows XP, and certainly not compared to any version of the Apple Mac. Whatever "integrated" really means.
    • Myth: KDE is easier to use
      Reality: Again, such nebulous arguments are never explained, and the reader is expected to simply understand the truth of the zealots statement. Both KDE and GNOME have user-interface irritations (indeed, all systems do) - but "ease of use" is not a simple thing to measure. KDE has never been subjected to detailed user testing, unlike GNOME [gnome.org], and the claims of user-friendliness are from crazed supporters and not average users. Furthermore, the KDE faithful rarely look beyond simple-minded copying of Windows, and forget that administering a desktop system is just as important as having widgets in the correct place on the toolbar. For example: What about application installation and removal? GNOME has the excellent RedCarpet [ximian.com] by Ximian [ximian.com], which makes the installation, removal and updating of applications trivial. KDE users are expected to fend for themselves with brutal command line driven systems. GNOME also has the excellent Ximian setup tools to handle various very tricky cross-platform and potentially risky system configuration operations - KDE offers none of this, only a few small half-assed Linux-only tools, which make no attempt at check-pointing to return to known working configurations.
    • Myth: KDE is more popular
      Reality: In what sense? Arguably more people use KDE - but it is a close run thing. Most KDE zealots claim the results of online polls as proof of their superior userbase - which is, quite frankly, complete and utter nonsense. Online polls are the joke of the century; it doesn't even require a motivated script kiddie to render then worthless. A single post alerting the faithful on a zealot-ridden site can skew the result so much it makes American presidential elections look fair and well organised. Popularity is also difficult to measure when both GNOME and KDE are frequently installed on the same system. Indeed, the systems can co-exist and even run at the same time, except for certain applications such as panels. Many KDE users actually run GNOME applications for their superior features and stability, not realising that by doing so they are barely running KDE at all.

      One of the few solid measures of popularity is the adoption in commercial use - and here, GNOME is far ahead, with both Hewlett-Packard [hp.com] and Sun Microsystems [sun.com] committing to using GNOME as the desktop for their Unix systems. This also ties in with the previously mentioned ease of use - Sun's major contribution to the GNOME project is in the areas of user/developer documentation, testing, accessiblity and user-testing. Three of the less glamourous parts of desktop development. The arrival of the GNOME 2.x series will see these contributions reach fruitition and allow GNOME to make a quantum leap ahead of KDE in most of the basic computer/user issues.

    • Myth: Konq
  29. 10 reasons Linux will fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. You can not play games on it.
    2. It cannot be used by my grandma.
    3. It lacks a GUI of any note.
    4. There is no support available for it.
    5. It is an assortment of fragmented distros.
    6. It cannot be run on the x86 platform.
    7. You have to compile everything and know C.
    8. Support for the latest hardware is always poor.
    9. It is incompatiable with Windows XP.
    10.It is dying.

  30. Linux Sux0rs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in a startling turn of events today, a previously little-known fact came into the public eye: "linux sux0rs". this came as a complete surprise to the luwla, or Linux users with large assholes, as they previously thought that Linux 0wned. "You see, even though i have never contributed code to any linux project, i thought it was my duty to be a big asshole to others which don't use the os i do, because it just 0wnz.", said one Linux user. "now that i know it sux0rs, though, i have to go find something else to be an asshole about."

    one notorious openlinux fanatic known as wideopen, told reporters, "i have to kill myself. this isn't how it was supposed to happen. my Linux has always been the best, and shouting that opinion in other people's faces at every chance i got has been my only hobby. it was all i ever did. it was what got me out of bed in the morning. now i have to die. i will jam my bedpost up my ass until i hit my brain. it is the only way to go: Linux style."

    in the volatile world of operating systems anything can happen. "at least we don't sux0r as much as windows users", bigazz, a relatively well-known linux user said. "screaming things in people's faces is my calling. now i need to scream that Linux sux0rs. what a sad world. at least i won't kill myself like those uber-asshole openbsd guys. they are just way over the top. or were, at least."

    nobody knows for sure what the future holds for the state of operating systems, but with netcraft confirming the sux0r status, linux users all over the world will have to stick something else up their asses from now on or risk looking even more gay than they used to.

  31. Microsoft's Linux Myths page by ccady · · Score: 2, Interesting
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    J'aime mieux les méchants que les imbéciles, parce qu'ils se reposent. -- Alexandre Dumas
    1. Re:Microsoft's Linux Myths page by mikecron · · Score: 1

      And from the Way Back Machine: Link

  32. MY BALLS ON J00R CHIN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you want good luck to follow you and your offspring for geneations to come? This troll has the solution for you...

    All you have to do is copy this troll onto two to four of the discussion threads of your choice! That's right! Just copy this into a new message and click "post anonymously." That's all there is to it! Taco is an ass.

    Tired of that idiot talking about geek culture! Stick one of these babies on it! And it's good for the economy!

    Marge Gentry of Cambridge, Minnesota participated, and the next day she received a large fruit basket outside of her door from a secret admirer. Unfortunately, Marge was hit by a truck the next day, so she didn't get to the Granny Smith apples.

    Commander Taco of Hole-in-the-ground West Virginia didn't participate, and he was violated by a group of raging homosexuals. Since the gang was headed by Jon Katz, Taco had no recourse to the law because the entire town knew about their previous relationship. The unfortunate outcome is enshrined forever at goatse.cx.

    So if you want to get the fruit basket and not get poked in the bread basket, just copy this troll onto two of the discussions threads of your choice. We could have this place blanketed by sundown!

  33. Megan McArdle by brennz · · Score: 2, Informative

    link

    Remember everyone, she is a "technology consultant"....

    "I have to admit that I was never much of a believer in open source. Maybe my business school coursework rendered me blind to the glorious vision of a "gift culture" in which people contribute their work to a decentralized development project like Linux for honor instead of money. Or possibly I'm just too thick to understand how cutting off a multi-billion dollar revenue stream from software sales, without putting anything else in its place, could be good for the software business."

    "The outcome of the Windows/Mac showdown seems to indicate that the company that owns the corporate desktop owns the marketplace."

    "Those who saw open source as the inevitable revolution concentrated only on the value propositions that Linux could offer on price and performance. They weren't paying as much attention to other considerations, such as indemnity, that might be even more important than performance to the marketplace, because after all, what open source developers are good at (and interested in) is technological revolution, not liability planning and insurance premiums."

  34. Show us what you have... by merriam · · Score: 1

    Show us what you have so that we know what sort of thing you're looking for, and so that we can avoid duplication of effort. Put your draft document on the web. Perhaps pick a license.

    People of the sort who can provide the most useful information on this subject will tend to want to see you do that basic and minimal work first. I think they will also agree that a good place for a "multimedia project" is the web.

  35. Open Source Software May Offer Target for Terroris by __past__ · · Score: 2, Informative
    From http://www.adti.net/html_files/defense/opensource_ pressrelease_05_30_2002.html. Unfortunatly, the "study" itself is no more available.

    Thursday May 30, 12:29 pm Eastern Time
    Press Release

    SOURCE: Alexis de Tocqueville Institution

    Open Source Software May Offer Target for Terrorists, According to Study by Alexis de Tocqueville Institution's Committee for the Common Defense

    WASHINGTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 30, 2002--Terrorists trying to hack or disrupt U.S. computer networks might find it easier if the federal government attempts to switch to "open source" as some groups propose.

    "Opening the Open Source Debate", a soon to be released white paper by Alexis de Tocqueville Institution details the complex issues surrounding open source, particularly if federal agencies such as the Department of Defense or the Federal Aviation Administration use software that inherently requires that its blueprints, source code and architecture is made widely available to any person interested - without discretion.

    In a paper to be released next week, the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution outlines how open source might facilitate efforts to disrupt or sabotage electronic commerce, air traffic control or even sensitive surveillance systems.

    Unlike proprietary software, open source software does not make the underlying code of a software confidential.

    "Computer systems are the backbone of U.S. national security", says Fossedal, chairman of the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution and its Committee for the Common Defense, which will release the study. "Before the Pentagon and other federal agencies make uninformed decision to alter the very foundation of computer security, they should study the potential consequences carefully."

    Contact:
    Alexis de Tocqueville Institution
    Ken Brown, 202/548-0006

    kenbrown@adti.net
    www.adti.net
  36. Mod parent up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is hilarious.

  37. How many Linux users to screw in a light bulb? by crisco · · Score: 2, Funny

    Since this is turning into a jokefest I'll repost something I sent to the LVLUG:

    Someone posted a Microsoft centric How many X does it take to screw in a light bulb so I thought I'd find some Linux ones and post them. I couldn't find any (didn't look real hard though) and so came up with my own (slightly lame) list. Can anyone add to it? Is there a page full of these that I missed?

    How many Linux users to screw in a light bulb?

    One to say that on Linux their light bulbs never burn out.
    Another to say that they don't use light bulbs with Linux, they like waving their hands around in the dark better.
    One to find light_bulb_0.4.12.rpm
    One to say "you should be using light_bulb.i386.0.4.12.rpm
    One to solve the dependancy on light_socket.1.0.2.lib.so and
    light_switch.2.1.0.lib.so
    One to suggest using Debian, they wouldn't have dependancy problems in the first place.
    Another to suggest Mandrake, cause with Debian they wouldn't have gotten the wiring installed in the first place.
    Another to suggest Gentoo, where he just types "emerge light_bulb".
    Another to complain that with Gentoo he'd be waiting around for light all weekend.
    One to suggest waiting around for next month's user group meeting where everyone could help screw in the light bulb.
    One who says candle_3.2 works just fine for him and doesn't see why light_bulb is worth all the trouble.
    One to start the HOWTO (credit User FWC)

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    Bleh!

  38. Gerald Holmes'es Why Micorsoft rules my Univrese by Gzip+Christ · · Score: 1
    This isn't from a big shot, per se, but it is by far the funniest anti-Linux site around: http://geraldholmes.freeyellow.com/ It is astoundingly brilliant. While it is set up as a "pro-Micorsoft" site, there are a lot of insults hurled at Linux.


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    The fake Gzip Christ isn't not user number ~0xA6CA7

  39. try this by mobby_6kl · · Score: 1

    ok, I know that this is a picture, but you could still include it in your presentation or something.
    Tux

  40. Mozilla FUD deleted due to paranoia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I heard a particularly nasty and effective sounding piece of anti-Mozilla FUD the other day. I wrote it up in a comment here, but it seemed a bit OT for your question about Linux.

    Then it struck me: this anti-Mozilla FUD-nugget would be a very good weapon in the hands of Microsoft. So I decided to refrain from submitting the comment. Then I started getting paranoid about why this (Linux) question was asked. Could the poster be in fact working for Microsoft and friends, gathering ideas for the next stage in the battle?

  41. Try Debian! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Its the worst distrobution out there and about 90% of Linux fud comes from it.

    Heres why it sucks (and its not fud, its true)

    • The majoirty of software is out of date! The latest stable, uses Kernel 2.2.21, Kde 2.2.2, Gnome 1.4, Xfree86 4.1) Reminds me of Redhat 6.2 (eeek)
    • It is installer is hard to use, you can only use ext2 as your file system option.
    • It uses a primtive packaing system known as dpkg, the apt-get system is merly a wrapper, and a better implementaion has been written for the REAL DEFACTO RPM format Try apt-rpm or urpmi!
    • Debian is FILLED with secuirty holes! I can't remember how many clients Ive had from debian refugees migrating to a real distro
    • Debian has crap support, and I for one, offer a free migration from debian to mandrake!
    • Debian is losing market share, Ive mig4rated approximately 1000 clients from debian to real distros (no joke) and I am writing a program called deb2gen (which will convert your debian tree into a portage tree, then UPGRADE YOUR PACKAGES TO SECURE VERSIONS).


    And zealots, don't bother trying to prove me wrong, Ive heard the reasons, and I will reply and prove YOU wrong! I am a debian refugee myself! I KNOW ITS CRAP!
  42. Trollaxor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trollaxor has tons of this kind of crap in varying degrees of humorlessness on his site.

    1. Re:Trollaxor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot the link to the site.

  43. there's already a complete list by kipple · · Score: 1

    http://www.sco.com/

    you'll find the latest, updated and best-written collection of FUDs about Linux.

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    -- There are two kind of sysadmins: Paranoids and Losers. (adapted from D. Bach)
  44. Another one by Anders · · Score: 1

    "I have never had a customer mention Linux to me" (Bill Gates)

    To be fair, at that time it may have been correct. Just as 640KB used to be enough for everyone.

    1. Re:Another one by dpete4552 · · Score: 1

      Just as 640KB used to be enough for everyone.

      He actually denies ever saying that.

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      http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares
    2. Re:Another one by Anders · · Score: 1

      He actually denies ever saying that.

      Does that make it "Fear, Uncertainty, and Denial?"

  45. The Linux IP Jungle: Lessons from the Past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the latest revalations regarding IBM's possible leakage of copyrighted Unix code into Linux have proven anything, it is that using any derivative of this outdated operating system is a legal disaster waiting to happen. Not only is Linux licensed under the anti-business GNU General Public License, but it turns out that commercial code may have been unlawfully added, making it illegal to use or distribute.

    This should suprise no one familiar with the history of Unix. The earliest version was an unlicensed ripoff of the proprietary Multics operating system, and was partly responsible for destroying the market for this pioneering operating system. The Berkeley Shareware Distribution (BSD) was sued by AT&T in the early 1990s, for openly distributing copyrighted code in its public-domain source releases. As if this wasn't enough, it turned out that AT&T had also broken the license on code they had taken from BSD, leaving both sides forced to essentially accept the other's illegal behavior in order to avoid stiffer penalties.

    Reputable software companies such as Microsoft, though initially interested in Unix, have learned to steer clear of the mess of standards, licenses, and conflicting intellectual property rights that Unix forms. Microsoft Windows XP is the latest release of Microsoft's flagship version of Windows, built from the ground up in the early 1990s based on the most modern concepts in operating systems, without any legacy baggage from the 1970s. And it is available essentially for free, preloaded on hardware from all major manufacturers. There is really no reason to use anything else, unless you need a truly high-performance computing system such as IBM's proprietary OS/390 or HP's OpenVMS.

  46. Knoppix Problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I decided, after hearing so much about Knoppix and how it could get me into using Linux without all the fuss (partitions? what? geez) I thought I'd give it a go.

    I was not impressed to say the least.

    I booted the operating system and then started work on an essay on the ontological beliefs of Heraclitus of Ephesos. First of all starting OpenOffice.org ('.org' at the end of an application name? What's with that?) took incredibly long. I could have installed my copy (yes, it's legit and paid for) of Windows Millenium Edition in the time it took to boot Knoppix and start OpenOffice.org. Anyway it was to my surprise that even though I saved this file to my 'Desktop', the next time I booted Knoppix it was nowhere to be found. So now my philosophy 521 paper was missing -- needless to say I booted into Windows Millenium Edition (where files don't just god damned disappear) and rewrote the paper, printed it (couldn't get that working in Knoppix either) and haven't looked back.

    I really like the idea of cooperation and open source software, the community idea seems really neat, and I hope these guys get their stuff together so regular guys like me can use this software at the efficiency and reliability that professional software offers.

  47. Some important GPL info from Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some Questions Every Business Should Ask About the GNU General Public License (GPL)

    Within the software industry, the recent clash of source-code licensing philosophies has proponents of commercial software and open-source advocates frequently at loggerheads. Both commercial and open-source software models, however, have demonstrated value for various sectors of the software market, which has determined that multiple licensing and distribution models should coexist in healthy competition. The market, in fact, is driving both camps toward a middle ground where the most beneficial aspects of both philosophies are embraced.

    In May 2001, Microsoft(R) responded with a Shared Source Initiative (SSI) to provide source access to a broad range of customers, partners, independent developers, researchers and other interested individuals, while preserving the intellectual property rights that have sustained innovation throughout the industry over the past quarter-century. The SSI framework supports a spectrum of licensing programs, each tailored to the source-access needs of a specific constituent community. Meanwhile, prominent open-source developers began to adopt certain commercial distribution methods in their own pragmatic migration toward the middle. These developers commonly rely on open-source licenses, like those based on the Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD) license, that place few if any restrictions on licensees' subsequent use of licensed source code, including its use in commercial software development.

    Free software distributors, by contrast, use the highly restrictive GPL, which was created by the Free Software Foundation (FSF) in furtherance of its philosophy that software should not be subject to ownership, and thus that commercial software is inherently immoral. The GPL governs distribution of some popular free software, including Linux. The GPL may be beneficial to noncommercial developers and certain licensees in other contexts, but several of the license's terms and uncertainties should raise red flags for commercial developers considering its use.

    Because many businesses may not understand the GPL and its potential implications, Microsoft offers this document as a checklist and to provide important background information. Most or all of the following questions will be familiar to those who have examined the GPL. Many of them have generated considerable debate even among open-source and free-software advocates. Comments in this document are based on GPL Version 2, Lesser General Public License (LGPL) Version 2.1 and the GNU GPL FAQ page (www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl-faq.html).

    The GPL is a complicated agreement. To understand your potential rights and obligations, you must interpret the various provisions of the license and apply them to your particular circumstances. Microsoft recommends that you obtain legal counsel as appropriate. This document does not and cannot offer legal advice.

    1. Have your lawyers read the GPL (and the LGPL)? Because the GPL is so frequently misunderstood and because it attempts, under certain circumstances, to impose significant obligations on licensees and their intellectual property rights, no responsible business should use GPL software without ensuring that its lawyers have read the license and explained the business' rights and obligations. They should also review and explain the Lesser General Public License, or LGPL, a related license that is sometimes used with open source libraries.

    2. How are you using GPL software and what obligations does it impose? The obligations associated with the GPL vary substantially depending upon the way in which GPL code is used. Even limited or relatively obscure uses (e.g., including a few lines of GPL code in a commercial product or linking directly or indirectly to a GPL library) may have a dramatic effect on your legal rights and obligations. To understand the potential implications of the GPL, you need to have a detailed understanding of your use of GPL

  48. Here we go again. by Master+Rux · · Score: 1

    Until the end of time there will always be the competition of Windows and Linux. This ongoing battle is so tiresome. Who freaking cares which OS someone uses. You can't honestly tell me that there is one OS that is perfect for everyone. I personally use Windows and Linux, but I'd never let my parents anywhere near Linux. The call me up for tech support too much as it is.
    Have you ever asked a linux use what's the best distro of linux. You'll get laughed at, because he knows there's no right answer for that. It all depends on the person and situation.
    Quit all your Windows vs Linux arguing already. It's retarded.

    If you havent' figured it out by now his post does not advocate the use of an OS. Use what's best for you and leave everyone alone to do the same.

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    1. Re:Here we go again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So which OS are you recommending?

    2. Re:Here we go again. by Master+Rux · · Score: 1

      I seem to have made some typo's. I'll reword my last statement to be more clear.

      If you haven't figured it out by now this post does not advocate the use of any one OS over another. Use what's best for you and leave everyone alone to do the same.

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      IMO the best browser game ever http://wittyrpg.com
    3. Re:Here we go again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is nothing but a cheap attempt at getting modded-up by attaching, remora-like, a comment to the top-most comment that has nothing to do with what the parent comment said.

      Kaaaarma-whooore! Kaaaarma-whooore!

      Post your senseless gibbering of discontent at the topic in its own thread.

  49. AYBABTU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All your base are belong to us.

  50. I don't have a very good example.. by NanoGator · · Score: 1

    ... but one of my earlier sigs was noticed.

    "I hate Linux because it made me type man mount."

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    "Derp de derp."
  51. RMS is the best anti-linux FUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ever wonder how long it will be until GNU realizes that no commercial software/hardware outfit will touch GNU licensed software?

    Free software is public domain!

    Cripple-ware licenses are equivalent to DRM

  52. Wow! by Excen · · Score: 1

    That has to be the most links to goatse.cx that I have ever seen in a /. comment. Props to you for not getting modded down.

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  53. grr... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't see your sig, you insensitive clod!

  54. -1 Flamebait by lucas+teh+geek · · Score: 1

    and it seems to have caught so many

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