Whatever happened to the virtues of simplicity, like a file containing a header record detailing the field names, and rows containing the data in either fixed-length or delimited form?
It didn't properly seperate content from presentation. So your script broke when you added a field.
'Text processing' is a hack to get around file formats that lack proper markup.
Put that in contrast with the Windows or Linux experience, how much time do you need to spend installing and customizing those boxes before they are actually useable?
Personally, the ability to tweak my system to work exactly the way I want, more than other other OS you mentioned, is why I use Linux. Yes, I know others don't like customizing their system and just want it to work. They're not geeks and don't read trashy websites like this one.
That said, I'm buying a mini, and will give OSX a try.
I used one that makes sense to most Americans, Australians, and Brits. If you, dear pedantic one, fall outside that category, its your responsibility to go fuck yourself.
People have had studies saying women tend to have better communication skills for decades, and that doesn't seem to cause any controversy. Most studies have also shown that men (and cab drivers) tend to have better spatial skills - but, unless you're talking about cab drivers, people tend to get a little angry about the last one.
My point: 1) You do indeed have to use the odd broad brush stroke to paint a picture. This doesn't mean that the picture's always the same flat color. There will be men with exceptional communication skills and women with exception logic/math skills.
2) Sorry Roseanne Bernstein, this doesn't mean its unreasonable to use the results of such surveys (provided you trust the sources), or your own experience, to relate to people.
This is not year zero. It makes sense to use your experience to relate to people. People who call that sexist or racist have no true experience of sexism or racism.
Was this an instance of VMS being hacked? No, it was just a circumstance where a privileged login session was passed in plaintext over a network with 5000 mechanics, social engineers, and hackers on it.
Which never, ever should be allowed in the default install of any OS at all.
PS, real men make their own names rather than using degrees as prefixes;^).
Actually, I'll add to that: not only is there nothing I could say that would make him happy, he's more interested in doing as much damage to Red Hat as possible, by any means including lying.
My main interest is the people that might read his post and believe it, when 90% of it is provably false.
I'm sure most companies would react the same to suck an attack. Attack being the key word here: the person isn't interested in dialogue, they're interested in winning a shouting competition. There is nothing I could say that would make him happy.
I don't think anyone could say anything that would make you happy with Red Hat.
And not communicating with a vendor you're unhappy with, then ranting online about it, doesn't make you a bad customer, it makes you somewhat immature.
Link to this conversation all you want. I think our audience would draw the same conclusion of you that I have.
If this was some kind of long established plan how did you manage to end of life THREE major versions in the space of quarter.
The short lifespan of Red Hat 9 was announced on its release. So yes, this was planned.
HAHAHA...HA...HAHAHA....HAHAHA...HAHAHA..HAHAHA
Stop it your killing me.
Thinks: why am I talking to this person...
So you just screwed me on my previous subscription and your solution is I go beg and plead to you and if I'm nice to you and give you even MORE money for a NEW subscription, which you have an established a track record for screwing people over on, you will CUT ME A DEAL.
No, not beg and plead. Yell and scream and be angry if you want (and you do want that, its obvious), a Red Hat person will do something to remedy your issue.
So if this end of lifing frenzy was part of this long term, well publicized plan, then how how did this problem which you "acknowledge" come about.
It was planned between Red Hat 8 and 9. Hence the short lifespan of Red Hat 9 announced when it was released. As I've said already.
"Er, that Fedora has a new numbering scheme doesn't make it not the successor to Red Hat Linux,"
You are pissing in the wind.
That's not a rebuttal (not is the angry diatribe that follows it). You still haven't disproven that Fedora isn't a logical sucessor to Red Hat.
If you need to change the name from Red Hat to Fedora great, call it Fedora 10.X and stay the course and you wouldn't have pissed everyone off.
I disagree. The Slashdot trolls would still find a reason to be angry.
"You mean Fedora, not whitebox."
Once again you are just showing your product strategy is incoherent.
Again, Whitebox is not our product. You know Fedora and RHEL. They're our products. You seem clear about that. Good. Marketing must be doing its job.
It clear as mud what exactly the difference is between Fedora, Whitebox and Enterprise, other than a big whack of money comes in to the mix with Enterprise.
Enterprise has a five year lifecycle, and official support. You might know this if you visited the Fedora vs Enterprise: Which is right for you page that was on the front page of redhat.com for a rather long time.
"Will fetch foo from your various sources (RHN, directories, yum servers, apt-get servers - it works with them all and can resolve dependencies) between them. Again, go read before you complain."
Ya until you need some software that isn't on those,
Then add another source to/etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources There's a ridiculous amount of packaged software for RHEL from third party sites like Dag Wieers should you need it.
or you load some mis-packaged betas
If you load beta software, it is, you know, beta software. You should be aware of the potential problems. This doesn't affect Red Hat more than any other OS out there.
or you uninstall something and the unistall rules are bad
Again, unlikely if you're not using beta software. The software in RHEL has undergone 3 beta to make it into Fedora, testing as part of that Fedora release, and further testing for the RHEL beta. It's pretty damned solid.
or your OS is end of lifed and the updates stop coming
Nah, Fedora legacy deals with that (they only ended support for Red Hat 8 recently).
or after a while the RPM history gets slow or goes south and you pretty much have to start over.
! Asides from one issue circa Red Hat 8 that had a simple and well known work around (delete the temporary files), there's been no such issues reported in Red Hat for ages.
You can pretend RPM's work great but most people that have used them over time know better.
I disagree. Though as a YELLING guy on Slashdot with bad grammer who allegedly buys stuff from a vendor but complains on Slashdot, rather than
Improving Fedora does improve Red Hat Enterprise - Fedora is maintained over time. Every so often, established technology from a Fedora Fedora (that's already made it through three Fedora beta cycles) is taken, tested even further, and put into an Enterprise Linux release.
"The subscription is still going fine. What are you talking about?"
Uh, I guess nuthin other than you abandoned support for Red hat 7, 8 and 9 in the space of a quarter.
Er, what does end of lifing a product have to do with abandoning a model we still use today? If you're complaining about 8 being end of lifed 2 years after release (and then being further extended by Red Hat), then say so. But since that was the stated lifetime for Red Hat 8, your complaints wouldn't wash. Go read before you complain.
I was on 8, 9 being a rather minor update and no one knows why you did a major version bump
Everybody who's familiar with the Red Hat version scheme knows - if a technology can interfere with app compatibility, we bump the major version. Go read before you complain.
I guess I should be thankful to your fine company that I was in the middle of a one year subscription when you stopped
That's a problem they've acknowledged - if you actually talk to them about this grievance, rather than screaming loudly on Slashdot amongst a bunch of lies, they'll cut you a rather nice deal on RHEL support.
told everyone to go buy support from a third party, because you were apparently bored with supporting your products or it was dragging your Wall Stree numbers.
The truth: Red Hat is a small company. 800 people might seem a lot, but our competitors (Sun, Microsoft) are much larger. As a result, we need to focus on customers that will pay us for what we do (rather than if something goes wrong).
The logical succession would have been to call Red Hat 9 what it was, 8.1
Er, no, that would break Red Hat's versioning scheme. We don't imply a new version is a minor upgrade when it will impact on application compatibility - like many other Linux vendors do.
and then there would be 8.2, 9.0, 9.1, 9.2 and 10.0 etc and I could still buy a box set in store.
Er, that Fedora has a new numbering scheme doesn't make it not the successor to Red Hat Linux, or disprove my earlier notion that its the same concept - Open Source technology, tested, and made available frequently.
No living RPM hell too
'up2date foo' Will fetch foo from your various sources (RHN, directories, yum servers, apt-get servers - it works with them all and can resolve dependencies) between them. Again, go read before you complain.
If Whitebox is basicly the same thing as Red Hat 9 was why the hell didn't you just call it 10.x
You mean Fedora, not whitebox.
or whatever and stop PLAYING THE STUPID MARKETING GAMES.
Its not a stupid marketing game.
a) Because having the half supported (some SLAs weren't available on RL, only RHEL) Red Hat Linux sent mixed messages to our customers and was a bad idea. The Enterprise / Fedora split makes things clear - if you want support, pay us.
a) Red Hat Linux, if you ever purchased a CD from someone online, should not have been called Red Hat Linux due to the unfortunate reality of US trademark law (you need to be seen to protecting a trademark to continue having it). But that never happened. Calling Fedora Fedora has the side benefit of people not having to rename Red Hat to 'Pink Tie' when they sell it.
I don't even know what Whitebox is because you totally lost your marketing way.
Then you should probably not talk about it. And its not our product, and we don't market it.
"Idiots."
If thats your attitude, and the attitude of your company, towards your former loyal customers,
No, its my personal label for people who post things they either know to be false or could easily investigate to find out to be false on the internet.
* Fedora is a logical sucessor to Red Hat Linux. New Open Source technology regularly (well, actually more regularly) perhaps at the expense of app compatibility - ie, like when you upgraded to NPTL from Linuxthreads in Red Hat 8 and had to upgrade your JRE.
* The subscription is still going fine. What are you talking about? Complaining that you didn't read the release announcement for Red Hat 9, which mentioned the support period?
Red Hat staff spend their says working on Fedora. In fact, Fedora is the thing that's maintained over time. It has its own beta cycle. Report a bug and a Red Hat staff member will fix it. RHEL is forked from it every so often.
If you want RHEL, but don't want to buy support, get Whitebox. You pay $0 to use the software. You pay money, however, to get unlimited support calls to Red Hat every year. Try that with Sun, Microsoft, or most other Linux distros.
Why does Red Hat cop so much crap when we've been about as Evil as Google (what about Suse pushing proprietary software for so long)?
Oh wait, cause we have more business market share than every other Linux distro combined. Red Hat, despite its merits, is That Distro They Make You Use At Work.
Oh, yeah, and some dickead tried Red Hat circa 1998, noted the dependency resolution, and doesn't understand the concept of software improving over time.
Thought it would be even nicer if the pointless resolution change between bootup and main X server startup was eliminated (it's usually the same res anyway).
That's not a resolution change: the whole display server restarts. This might be due to having to change from running on a read-only filesystem to a read-write one.
a whole slew of posts about how The Gimp's interface is dog shit compared to the all hallowed Photoshop (ignoring the fact that The Gimp looks closer to Mac Photoshop than Windows Photoshop does, yet no one complains about Mac Photoshop's interface). And they're always modded insightful and interesting, instead of '-1: We've heard this 10,000 times already and you really have nothing new to say on the subject
Maybe they're being modded up because although you might have heard Gimp users complaining, the people making the Gimp obviously haven't.
Slashdot Mirror
Whatever happened to the virtues of simplicity, like a file containing a header record detailing the field names, and rows containing the data in either fixed-length or delimited form?
It didn't properly seperate content from presentation. So your script broke when you added a field.
'Text processing' is a hack to get around file formats that lack proper markup.
Put that in contrast with the Windows or Linux experience, how much time do you need to spend installing and customizing those boxes before they are actually useable?
Personally, the ability to tweak my system to work exactly the way I want, more than other other OS you mentioned, is why I use Linux. Yes, I know others don't like customizing their system and just want it to work. They're not geeks and don't read trashy websites like this one.
That said, I'm buying a mini, and will give OSX a try.
I used one that makes sense to most Americans, Australians, and Brits. If you, dear pedantic one, fall outside that category, its your responsibility to go fuck yourself.
Afraid your wife might like it better than you?
Perhaps.
Yes, but do you think those people will find Doom 3 playable at all, even on minimum detail, on a mac mini?
Really?
I have a laptop PC with a 2.4Ghz processor and a Geforce 4 Ti Mobile GPu. Doom 3 runs like ass.
I've ordered a Mac Mini tho (not to play doom on), and I'd very surprised and happy if it could play Doom 3. But if it can: why, on such low specs?
I wish they'd release a followup with the same, squarish dimensions as the mini, that'd sit under it.
On some of the Unisys boxes.
SGI
Unisys
Fujitsu
HP
It looks like there might actually be a competitive marketplace for scalable multiprocessor Linux systems real soon now (if not already).
People have had studies saying women tend to have better communication skills for decades, and that doesn't seem to cause any controversy. Most studies have also shown that men (and cab drivers) tend to have better spatial skills - but, unless you're talking about cab drivers, people tend to get a little angry about the last one.
My point:
1) You do indeed have to use the odd broad brush stroke to paint a picture. This doesn't mean that the picture's always the same flat color. There will be men with exceptional communication skills and women with exception logic/math skills.
2) Sorry Roseanne Bernstein, this doesn't mean its unreasonable to use the results of such surveys (provided you trust the sources), or your own experience, to relate to people.
This is not year zero. It makes sense to use your experience to relate to people. People who call that sexist or racist have no true experience of sexism or racism.
Also, note Linux generally runs services as their own account. Apache HTTPD runs as apache, VSFTPd as ftp, BIND runs as named, OpenLDAP runs as ldap.
In Solaris, most services share the 'nobody' account. When means when you break nobody, you have a lot more access to the system.
Was this an instance of VMS being hacked? No, it was just a circumstance where a privileged login session was passed in plaintext over a network with 5000 mechanics, social engineers, and hackers on it.
;^).
Which never, ever should be allowed in the default install of any OS at all.
PS, real men make their own names rather than using degrees as prefixes
Agreed.
Short version:
More people run multiple apps on one platform than run one app on multiple platforms.
Appendix:
Dur.
Actually, I'll add to that: not only is there nothing I could say that would make him happy, he's more interested in doing as much damage to Red Hat as possible, by any means including lying.
My main interest is the people that might read his post and believe it, when 90% of it is provably false.
I'm sure most companies would react the same to suck an attack. Attack being the key word here: the person isn't interested in dialogue, they're interested in winning a shouting competition. There is nothing I could say that would make him happy.
I don't think anyone could say anything that would make you happy with Red Hat.
And not communicating with a vendor you're unhappy with, then ranting online about it, doesn't make you a bad customer, it makes you somewhat immature.
Link to this conversation all you want. I think our audience would draw the same conclusion of you that I have.
If this was some kind of long established plan how did you manage to end of life THREE major versions in the space of quarter.
/etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources There's a ridiculous amount of packaged software for RHEL from third party sites like Dag Wieers should you need it.
The short lifespan of Red Hat 9 was announced on its release. So yes, this was planned.
HAHAHA...HA...HAHAHA....HAHAHA...HAHAHA..HAHAHA
Stop it your killing me.
Thinks: why am I talking to this person...
So you just screwed me on my previous subscription and your solution is I go beg and plead to you and if I'm nice to you and give you even MORE money for a NEW subscription, which you have an established a track record for screwing people over on, you will CUT ME A DEAL.
No, not beg and plead. Yell and scream and be angry if you want (and you do want that, its obvious), a Red Hat person will do something to remedy your issue.
So if this end of lifing frenzy was part of this long term, well publicized plan, then how how did this problem which you "acknowledge" come about.
It was planned between Red Hat 8 and 9. Hence the short lifespan of Red Hat 9 announced when it was released. As I've said already.
"Er, that Fedora has a new numbering scheme doesn't make it not the successor to Red Hat Linux,"
You are pissing in the wind.
That's not a rebuttal (not is the angry diatribe that follows it). You still haven't disproven that Fedora isn't a logical sucessor to Red Hat.
If you need to change the name from Red Hat to Fedora great, call it Fedora 10.X and stay the course and you wouldn't have pissed everyone off.
I disagree. The Slashdot trolls would still find a reason to be angry.
"You mean Fedora, not whitebox."
Once again you are just showing your product strategy is incoherent.
Again, Whitebox is not our product.
You know Fedora and RHEL. They're our products. You seem clear about that. Good. Marketing must be doing its job.
It clear as mud what exactly the difference is between Fedora, Whitebox and Enterprise, other than a big whack of money comes in to the mix with Enterprise.
Enterprise has a five year lifecycle, and official support. You might know this if you visited the Fedora vs Enterprise: Which is right for you page that was on the front page of redhat.com for a rather long time.
"Will fetch foo from your various sources (RHN, directories, yum servers, apt-get servers - it works with them all and can resolve dependencies) between them. Again, go read before you complain."
Ya until you need some software that isn't on those,
Then add another source to
or you load some mis-packaged betas
If you load beta software, it is, you know, beta software. You should be aware of the potential problems. This doesn't affect Red Hat more than any other OS out there.
or you uninstall something and the unistall rules are bad
Again, unlikely if you're not using beta software. The software in RHEL has undergone 3 beta to make it into Fedora, testing as part of that Fedora release, and further testing for the RHEL beta. It's pretty damned solid.
or your OS is end of lifed and the updates stop coming
Nah, Fedora legacy deals with that (they only ended support for Red Hat 8 recently).
or after a while the RPM history gets slow or goes south and you pretty much have to start over.
! Asides from one issue circa Red Hat 8 that had a simple and well known work around (delete the temporary files), there's been no such issues reported in Red Hat for ages.
You can pretend RPM's work great but most people that have used them over time know better.
I disagree. Though as a YELLING guy on Slashdot with bad grammer who allegedly buys stuff from a vendor but complains on Slashdot, rather than
Improving Fedora does improve Red Hat Enterprise - Fedora is maintained over time. Every so often, established technology from a Fedora Fedora (that's already made it through three Fedora beta cycles) is taken, tested even further, and put into an Enterprise Linux release.
"The subscription is still going fine. What are you talking about?"
Uh, I guess nuthin other than you abandoned support for Red hat 7, 8 and 9 in the space of a quarter.
Er, what does end of lifing a product have to do with abandoning a model we still use today? If you're complaining about 8 being end of lifed 2 years after release (and then being further extended by Red Hat), then say so. But since that was the stated lifetime for Red Hat 8, your complaints wouldn't wash. Go read before you complain.
I was on 8, 9 being a rather minor update and no one knows why you did a major version bump
Everybody who's familiar with the Red Hat version scheme knows - if a technology can interfere with app compatibility, we bump the major version. Go read before you complain.
I guess I should be thankful to your fine company that I was in the middle of a one year subscription when you stopped
That's a problem they've acknowledged - if you actually talk to them about this grievance, rather than screaming loudly on Slashdot amongst a bunch of lies, they'll cut you a rather nice deal on RHEL support.
told everyone to go buy support from a third party, because you were apparently bored with supporting your products or it was dragging your Wall Stree numbers.
The truth: Red Hat is a small company. 800 people might seem a lot, but our competitors (Sun, Microsoft) are much larger. As a result, we need to focus on customers that will pay us for what we do (rather than if something goes wrong).
The logical succession would have been to call Red Hat 9 what it was, 8.1
Er, no, that would break Red Hat's versioning scheme. We don't imply a new version is a minor upgrade when it will impact on application compatibility - like many other Linux vendors do.
and then there would be 8.2, 9.0, 9.1, 9.2 and 10.0 etc and I could still buy a box set in store.
Er, that Fedora has a new numbering scheme doesn't make it not the successor to Red Hat Linux, or disprove my earlier notion that its the same concept - Open Source technology, tested, and made available frequently.
No living RPM hell too
'up2date foo'
Will fetch foo from your various sources (RHN, directories, yum servers, apt-get servers - it works with them all and can resolve dependencies) between them. Again, go read before you complain.
If Whitebox is basicly the same thing as Red Hat 9 was why the hell didn't you just call it 10.x
You mean Fedora, not whitebox.
or whatever and stop PLAYING THE STUPID MARKETING GAMES.
Its not a stupid marketing game.
a) Because having the half supported (some SLAs weren't available on RL, only RHEL) Red Hat Linux sent mixed messages to our customers and was a bad idea. The Enterprise / Fedora split makes things clear - if you want support, pay us.
a) Red Hat Linux, if you ever purchased a CD from someone online, should not have been called Red Hat Linux due to the unfortunate reality of US trademark law (you need to be seen to protecting a trademark to continue having it). But that never happened. Calling Fedora Fedora has the side benefit of people not having to rename Red Hat to 'Pink Tie' when they sell it.
I don't even know what Whitebox is because you totally lost your marketing way.
Then you should probably not talk about it. And its not our product, and we don't market it.
"Idiots."
If thats your attitude, and the attitude of your company, towards your former loyal customers,
No, its my personal label for people who post things they either know to be false or could easily investigate to find out to be false on the internet.
Is posts like the above.
* Fedora is a logical sucessor to Red Hat Linux. New Open Source technology regularly (well, actually more regularly) perhaps at the expense of app compatibility - ie, like when you upgraded to NPTL from Linuxthreads in Red Hat 8 and had to upgrade your JRE.
* The subscription is still going fine. What are you talking about? Complaining that you didn't read the release announcement for Red Hat 9, which mentioned the support period?
Red Hat staff spend their says working on Fedora. In fact, Fedora is the thing that's maintained over time. It has its own beta cycle. Report a bug and a Red Hat staff member will fix it. RHEL is forked from it every so often.
If you want RHEL, but don't want to buy support, get Whitebox. You pay $0 to use the software. You pay money, however, to get unlimited support calls to Red Hat every year. Try that with Sun, Microsoft, or most other Linux distros.
Why does Red Hat cop so much crap when we've been about as Evil as Google (what about Suse pushing proprietary software for so long)?
Oh wait, cause we have more business market share than every other Linux distro combined. Red Hat, despite its merits, is That Distro They Make You Use At Work.
Oh, yeah, and some dickead tried Red Hat circa 1998, noted the dependency resolution, and doesn't understand the concept of software improving over time.
Idiots.
Yeah, I'm buying a mini too. Anyway...
Anyone know whether Pages uses the Oasis format?
Mike
Thought it would be even nicer if the pointless resolution change between bootup and main X server startup was eliminated (it's usually the same res anyway).
That's not a resolution change: the whole display server restarts. This might be due to having to change from running on a read-only filesystem to a read-write one.
What interests high school students?
Breasts.
Thanks for your post.
You're assuming the people who don't like the Gimps UI merely want a Photoshop clone. Most don't - they just want it to run like any other app.
I've never seen anything in the Gnome HIG specifying a Gimp-like interface.
a whole slew of posts about how The Gimp's interface is dog shit compared to the all hallowed Photoshop (ignoring the fact that The Gimp looks closer to Mac Photoshop than Windows Photoshop does, yet no one complains about Mac Photoshop's interface). And they're always modded insightful and interesting, instead of '-1: We've heard this 10,000 times already and you really have nothing new to say on the subject
Maybe they're being modded up because although you might have heard Gimp users complaining, the people making the Gimp obviously haven't.