http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=00/09/11/23412 50&cid=120 contained a relevant point regarding the origins of the c word, in an on topic discussion of comedian George Carlins `Seven Dirty Words' routine. Silly moderators marked me as a troll. Oh well.
I want ACLs. Already there's a stack of Linux utilities which try and implement their own ACL system because the Unix rwx permissions are so limited. I also want to be able to modify permissions for ports simply by changing permissions for , say,/proc/ports/23 [or something similar].
A basic tenement of Linux [and all Unixs] should be the ability to rename UID 0 [the accoutn typically called `root']. This way potential crackers have to realize that the pretend `root' account you created doesn't actually giev them the preiliges they expect, and forces them to find the username of the UID 0 account.
Unfortunately, this seems to break many things on Linux and many Unixes.
What about the advanced user who will never compile anything, or prefers source RPMs?
I look on package management as the primary was of maintaining a stable database of what is and isn't installed on my machine. Its easier to upgrade your system when this informstion is handy. Dependencies are sorted out easily [yay rpmfind and autorpm], I don't have to wait to install software, security is enhanced [its easy to find whats vulnerable when you know whats installed].
> just to win the favor of Linux, OF COURSE.
Its nice to see others have difficulty typing `Linus' too, after getting used to finishing off any word that starts with `Linu' with an `x'.
Red Hta has also been moving towards the file heirarchy system. In recent releases/usr/doc has moved to/usr/share/doc, and other changes have also occured. Perhaps we will soon see/etc/init.d in Red Hat or Mandrake sometime in the future?
This is a good thing on both Red Hat and Mandrakes part, and I'd like to see it elsewhere - especially those distributions that use/opt.
Sonique currently does MP3, plus a number of more closed file formats like WMA [Windows Media Audio].
How will Linux Sonique support these file formats under Linux? Currently thes best technology has been the open soucrce reverse engineered version of Microsofts AviFile [http://divx.euro.ru/], which uses a small part of WINE and TWIN to call Windows-based media codecs, for MS MPEG 4, Intel Indeo, Cinepak, DivX, and other Windoes based file formats.
Will Sonique port these file formats, or create a similar implementation to AviFile, or soemthing else?
> this is, to my knowledge, the first distro to support USB out of the box
Its actually the second or perhaps thrid. I know at least Mandrake 7.1 has had USB for five months now, and 7.2 is just around the corner.
it works great to....
Mandrake install: Put CD in. get cursor from MS Intellimouse
Windows ME install: Put CD in. Don't get a cursor for the first part of the three reboots. Including the part where you select what components you want installed... tab tab tab space tab tab tab tab space enter enter tab tab tab speca...
That would be legitamite, and inflame more people than removing ads from AOL, would be to work on avifile [www.avifile.org].
AviFile is a library, currently at 0.5, which can play a stack of Windows-only file formats, including MS MPEG 4, WMA and WMV, Intel Indeo, DivX;-), and Cinepak. It uses about 50k of Wine code, the bare bones needed to support Windows codecs on Linux. The licensing agreements for most codecs seem to be liberal enough to make this legally OK. The 0.5 versions is quite useable.
The current best player for AviFile is SMPEG XMMS, avaliable from
ftp.xmms.org/xmms/plugins/smpeg-xmms/.
Red Hat 7 will include the latest Helix GNOME [aka GNOME 1.2]. This is recent enough to not include Enlightenment, which has been dumped in favour of the smaller and mroe integrated Sawmill. Sawmill is configured through the GNOME control center, and there is near nill duplication between GNOME and Sawmills functionality. As it should be.
>Will Creative release Windows drivers that don't
> crash your system every time you attempt to play
> a sound?
Creative drivers: Both my ISA Soundblaster 16 and my Live 128 Platinum work fine in either Mandrake 7.1 or Red Hat 6.2.
>Will Samba be upgraded to run in Windows 2000
>networks?
* They're marketing this not at hackers / developers, but at Linux users per se. There's an interesting schism developing between those running the OS for quite some time who enjoy the hacking aspect opposed to more recent converts, who prefer `Software that Doesn't suck' and just want a stable, easy to use operating system for their workplace or home. Yes, both contribute - personally, I run and help out at installfests, give talks and be treasurer to my local LUG.
* The point this raises is that Yggdrasil are looking at Linux as it was in 1995, not now. The reason for the initial interest in Linux is its freeness, the long term rise in poularity comes from its stability, and the increased accessibility of more modern distributions. Red Hat's packaging system [which may not be superiour to debians, but was earlier] accounts for its now massive market share.
Pardon my spelling. But nobodies been `innovative' enough to correct dab typing yet.
I respect peoples right to make their own decisions, but don't most of the newer Linux folk simply download packaged binaries [or packaged
source] thse days?
Personally, I do. I even keep a text file called `unclean' which lists things that aren't packaged. There's RPMs everywhere [and utils like RPMFind, Helix Update, and autoRPM to help you get them]. While DEBs are a little less popular, most Debian folk I know would prefer to apt-get software than compile it.
I generally use tarballs in an emergency, of when there's something [typically pre 1.0] I really want that nobodies packaged yet [which hasn't
been for eight months].
Having a database of exactly what's installed on my system makes upgrades and finding packages off the net extremely handy. The pre and post install scripts of nearly all RPMS sort out libraries and other stuff. Security stuff is also much easier when you have a list of what's on your system, and can upgrade without breaking something else.
So why do other people prefer to use tarballed source? The vast majority of newer Linux users don't know a language, and while this isn't necessary to hack a makefile or type `./configure', tarballs are still very complicated. Especially when they don't compile correctly.
I respect peoples right to make their own esicsions, but don't most of the newer Linux folk simply download packaged binaries [or packged source] thse days?
Personally, I do. I even keep a text file called `unclean' which lists things that aren't packaged. There's RPMs everywhere [and utils like RPMFind, Helix Update, and autoRPM to help you get them]. While DEBs are a little less popular, most Debian folk I know would prefer to apt-get software than compile it.
I generally use tarballs in an emergency, of when there's something [typically pre 1.0] I really want that nobodies packaged yet [which hasn't been for eight months].
Having a database of exactly what's installed on my system makes upgrades and finding packages off the net extremely handy. The pre and post install scripts of nearly all RPMS sort out libraries and other stuff. Security stuff is also much easier when you have a list of what's on your system, anhd can upgrade without breaking something else.
So why do other people prefer to use tarballed source? The vast majority of newer Linux users don't know C41, and why this isn't necessary to hack a makefile or type `./configure', tarballs are still very complicated. Especially when they don't compile.
It seems you haven't used remote display technologies particularly feasibe. There's a whole stack of protocols designed to reduce that screen display to shapes and text. It's entirely worksable to surf the web from a remote machine over a 10Mb link. I know this because I did it for half a year.
Remote screen display technologies don't sent compressed images, they sent shapes, text, and bitmaps where appropriate. What will travel down the wire is instructions to draw vector rectangles, compressed bitmaps, and perhaps bevels and widgets if you're protocol got brains.
Over a 10Mb link veiwing web pages in VNC is quite reasonable [especially with the hextile modification for smarter compression].
Or better still, unencumbered or feature-enabled. because with DeCSS, you can...
* Buy movies from the internet at their real release dates, at competitive prices, and know they will play on your unit.
* Play consumer made DVD content.
* Enjoy the full functionality of your player without any crippled functionality - for example, the fast forward button is always available - in MPAA player, the user must sit through up to a minute and a half of copyright warning for countries they don't live in before they can use the fast forward button. The manufacturers license can be revoked for restoring this functionality.
* Play DVDs on an open-source operating environment
* Create enhancements for the DVD system
* Archive media that will only last around five years otherwise, which the MPAA and DMCAis currrently pushing to be made ilegal. Deespite the fact that consumer fair use laws allow such activity.
You're forgetting resolution. An IBM 21 inch monitor with a Trinitoron Arpeture grill can be brought for around $AU 1500 [that around 850ish to you US folk. DVDs display at a resolution a little under 800 x 600, and TV display at a resolution a little bit better than standard [not super] VGA. Compared to a high resolution television, the minitor comes off much better quality, and the price difference is i the monitors favour. The size is comparable to a regular size family television.
There's nothing to stop you from purchasing a decent sound card with digital out and hooking your PC into your surround unit [ot better still, buying a multi-channel card].
Actually, I sure as Hell can't wait for Cisco to get with the damned program and quit using Telnet as the primary config interface. Here's a prime example of a company that would have a much better product if they were more attuned to open-source - OpenSSH [running SSH1 or 2] would make a much more secure alternative to Telnet.
In my world, telnet basically exists as a client app for checking SMTP and HTTP functionality. Nobody would dare install a box at work with TelnetD enabled, so why the hell would I want to install a router with it?
When most people talk about Quicktime, they mean the Sorecnsor codec. It's actually possible to create and play Quicktime movies on Linux right now - as long as they're not using Sorenson, which 98% of Quicktime films do.
Likewise AVI can be a wrapper for a number of film formats, from MPEG1 thru VOB thru DivX;-).
MPEG 1 AVIs work right now under aKtion, the KDE medis player.
I think it can - I know Windows isn't network aware [unless you're talking Terminal Server] but there's no reason you couldn't build these capabilities on screen - its not perfect, but it should be OK.
VNC can pole the screen and send updates of the active Window [or other components] down the wire. I'm proposing a similar system, but with some small modifications.
Some comments at LMN regarding seamless integration have inspired me a little...
As WindowBlinds, Litestep, etc. prove, it's entirely possible to replace the default explorer.exe shell with a another windows manager / desktop environment [its just another setting in win.ini].
So creeate a Win32 shell which actually sends the Windowing information down the wire [you pick the format - but VNC might be an option] to another machine. Make a client on the other machine [for this exercise, the Linux host] which displays the Windowed apps.
There. Seamless inetgration with your Linux desktop.
You'd want to have explorer.exe as an option at boot time in case of network issues.
Personally, the only concern which seeme to be relevant was that closed-source software developers would have to pay licensing to Trolltech to write KDE apps. I didn't want one company controlling and being the sole benefactor of QT [which has contribution from many other sources].
Now the closed source developers won't have to pay that license fee. This is a good thing, but not really that great. Still, it will slightly encourage vendors yet to take the open source plunge to create apps for KDE. This is a good thing.
That's because apple people don't know what the hell they're doing, and just like apples because their shiner, rather than for the taste. Not to mention that Crapple$$$ have never done anything original in their life, and borrow all of their flavour from other fruit. I had an apples, and it stopped tasting nice after I left it in the sun for afew weeks. Due to their high levels of citric acid, my oranges were fine.
And orange people actually enjoy using an arcane fruit where you have to peel it before you can it eat it. They're a bunch of bearded hippies who think everything should be citric, and have no idea of the realities of the the modern corporate orchard.
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http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=00/09/11/23412 50&cid=120 contained a relevant point regarding the origins of the c word, in an on topic discussion of comedian George Carlins `Seven Dirty Words' routine. Silly moderators marked me as a troll. Oh well.
I want ACLs. Already there's a stack of Linux utilities which try and implement their own ACL system because the Unix rwx permissions are so limited. I also want to be able to modify permissions for ports simply by changing permissions for , say, /proc/ports/23 [or something similar].
A basic tenement of Linux [and all Unixs] should be the ability to rename UID 0 [the accoutn typically called `root']. This way potential crackers have to realize that the pretend `root' account you created doesn't actually giev them the preiliges they expect, and forces them to find the username of the UID 0 account.
Unfortunately, this seems to break many things on Linux and many Unixes.
What about the advanced user who will never compile anything, or prefers source RPMs?
I look on package management as the primary was of maintaining a stable database of what is and isn't installed on my machine. Its easier to upgrade your system when this informstion is handy. Dependencies are sorted out easily [yay rpmfind and autorpm], I don't have to wait to install software, security is enhanced [its easy to find whats vulnerable when you know whats installed].
> just to win the favor of Linux, OF COURSE.
Its nice to see others have difficulty typing `Linus' too, after getting used to finishing off any word that starts with `Linu' with an `x'.
Red Hta has also been moving towards the file heirarchy system. In recent releases /usr/doc has moved to /usr/share/doc, and other changes have also occured. Perhaps we will soon see /etc/init.d in Red Hat or Mandrake sometime in the future?
/opt.
This is a good thing on both Red Hat and Mandrakes part, and I'd like to see it elsewhere - especially those distributions that use
Sonique currently does MP3, plus a number of more closed file formats like WMA [Windows Media Audio].
How will Linux Sonique support these file formats under Linux? Currently thes best technology has been the open soucrce reverse engineered version of Microsofts AviFile [http://divx.euro.ru/], which uses a small part of WINE and TWIN to call Windows-based media codecs, for MS MPEG 4, Intel Indeo, Cinepak, DivX, and other Windoes based file formats.
Will Sonique port these file formats, or create a similar implementation to AviFile, or soemthing else?
> this is, to my knowledge, the first distro to support USB out of the box
Its actually the second or perhaps thrid. I know at least Mandrake 7.1 has had USB for five months now, and 7.2 is just around the corner.
it works great to....
Mandrake install: Put CD in. get cursor from MS Intellimouse
Windows ME install: Put CD in. Don't get a cursor for the first part of the three reboots. Including the part where you select what components you want installed... tab tab tab space tab tab tab tab space enter enter tab tab tab speca...
That would be legitamite, and inflame more people than removing ads from AOL, would be to work on avifile [www.avifile.org].
;-), and Cinepak. It uses about 50k of Wine code, the bare bones needed to support Windows codecs on Linux. The licensing agreements for most codecs seem to be liberal enough to make this legally OK. The 0.5 versions is quite useable.
AviFile is a library, currently at 0.5, which can play a stack of Windows-only file formats, including MS MPEG 4, WMA and WMV, Intel Indeo, DivX
The current best player for AviFile is SMPEG XMMS, avaliable from
ftp.xmms.org/xmms/plugins/smpeg-xmms/.
>Will Enlightenment finally run faster?
Red Hat 7 will include the latest Helix GNOME [aka GNOME 1.2]. This is recent enough to not include Enlightenment, which has been dumped in favour of the smaller and mroe integrated Sawmill. Sawmill is configured through the GNOME control center, and there is near nill duplication between GNOME and Sawmills functionality. As it should be.
>Will Creative release Windows drivers that don't
> crash your system every time you attempt to play
> a sound?
Creative drivers: Both my ISA Soundblaster 16 and my Live 128 Platinum work fine in either Mandrake 7.1 or Red Hat 6.2.
>Will Samba be upgraded to run in Windows 2000
>networks?
Yes.
* The disc isn't patches, its full source.
:)
* They're marketing this not at hackers / developers, but at Linux users per se. There's an interesting schism developing between those running the OS for quite some time who enjoy the hacking aspect opposed to more recent converts, who prefer `Software that Doesn't suck' and just want a stable, easy to use operating system for their workplace or home. Yes, both contribute - personally, I run and help out at installfests, give talks and be treasurer to my local LUG.
* The point this raises is that Yggdrasil are looking at Linux as it was in 1995, not now. The reason for the initial interest in Linux is its freeness, the long term rise in poularity comes from its stability, and the increased accessibility of more modern distributions. Red Hat's packaging system [which may not be superiour to debians, but was earlier] accounts for its now massive market share.
* By the way, kiss my ass
Pardon my spelling. But nobodies been `innovative' enough to correct dab typing yet.
I respect peoples right to make their own decisions, but don't most of the newer Linux folk simply download packaged binaries [or packaged
source] thse days?
Personally, I do. I even keep a text file called `unclean' which lists things that aren't packaged. There's RPMs everywhere [and utils like RPMFind, Helix Update, and autoRPM to help you get them]. While DEBs are a little less popular, most Debian folk I know would prefer to apt-get software than compile it.
I generally use tarballs in an emergency, of when there's something [typically pre 1.0] I really want that nobodies packaged yet [which hasn't
been for eight months].
Having a database of exactly what's installed on my system makes upgrades and finding packages off the net extremely handy. The pre and post install scripts of nearly all RPMS sort out libraries and other stuff. Security stuff is also much easier when you have a list of what's on your system, and can upgrade without breaking something else.
So why do other people prefer to use tarballed source? The vast majority of newer Linux users don't know a language, and while this isn't necessary to hack a makefile or type `./configure', tarballs are still very complicated. Especially when they don't compile correctly.
This isn't a troll - its a query.
I respect peoples right to make their own esicsions, but don't most of the newer Linux folk simply download packaged binaries [or packged source] thse days?
Personally, I do. I even keep a text file called `unclean' which lists things that aren't packaged. There's RPMs everywhere [and utils like RPMFind, Helix Update, and autoRPM to help you get them]. While DEBs are a little less popular, most Debian folk I know would prefer to apt-get software than compile it.
I generally use tarballs in an emergency, of when there's something [typically pre 1.0] I really want that nobodies packaged yet [which hasn't been for eight months].
Having a database of exactly what's installed on my system makes upgrades and finding packages off the net extremely handy. The pre and post install scripts of nearly all RPMS sort out libraries and other stuff. Security stuff is also much easier when you have a list of what's on your system, anhd can upgrade without breaking something else.
So why do other people prefer to use tarballed source? The vast majority of newer Linux users don't know C41, and why this isn't necessary to hack a makefile or type `./configure', tarballs are still very complicated. Especially when they don't compile.
This isn't a troll - its a query.
It seems you haven't used remote display technologies particularly feasibe. There's a whole stack of protocols designed to reduce that screen display to shapes and text. It's entirely worksable to surf the web from a remote machine over a 10Mb link. I know this because I did it for half a year.
Remote screen display technologies don't sent compressed images, they sent shapes, text, and bitmaps where appropriate. What will travel down the wire is instructions to draw vector rectangles, compressed bitmaps, and perhaps bevels and widgets if you're protocol got brains.
Over a 10Mb link veiwing web pages in VNC is quite reasonable [especially with the hextile modification for smarter compression].
Silly moderators. That was a legitamite point, damnit, and well within the context of the discussion.
http://www.piedmontusabda.cjb.net/
Works fine for me. Netscape 4.75, Linux Mandrake. Yay, ballroom dancing.
Actually, you seem to be agreeing with me...
512 x 384 = less than 640 x 480 [SVGA], more than 320 x 240 [VGA]
720 x 480 = less than 800 x 600
Thankyou for the specifics anyway.
Or better still, unencumbered or feature-enabled. because with DeCSS, you can...
* Buy movies from the internet at their real release dates, at competitive prices, and know they will play on your unit.
* Play consumer made DVD content.
* Enjoy the full functionality of your player without any crippled functionality - for example, the fast forward button is always available - in MPAA player, the user must sit through up to a minute and a half of copyright warning for countries they don't live in before they can use the fast forward button. The manufacturers license can be revoked for restoring this functionality.
* Play DVDs on an open-source operating environment
* Create enhancements for the DVD system
* Archive media that will only last around five years otherwise, which the MPAA and DMCAis currrently pushing to be made ilegal. Deespite the fact that consumer fair use laws allow such activity.
You're forgetting resolution. An IBM 21 inch monitor with a Trinitoron Arpeture grill can be brought for around $AU 1500 [that around 850ish to you US folk. DVDs display at a resolution a little under 800 x 600, and TV display at a resolution a little bit better than standard [not super] VGA. Compared to a high resolution television, the minitor comes off much better quality, and the price difference is i the monitors favour. The size is comparable to a regular size family television.
There's nothing to stop you from purchasing a decent sound card with digital out and hooking your PC into your surround unit [ot better still, buying a multi-channel card].
> I'm holding out for SSH over my toaster.
Actually, I sure as Hell can't wait for Cisco to get with the damned program and quit using Telnet as the primary config interface. Here's a prime example of a company that would have a much better product if they were more attuned to open-source - OpenSSH [running SSH1 or 2] would make a much more secure alternative to Telnet.
In my world, telnet basically exists as a client app for checking SMTP and HTTP functionality. Nobody would dare install a box at work with TelnetD enabled, so why the hell would I want to install a router with it?
When most people talk about Quicktime, they mean the Sorecnsor codec. It's actually possible to create and play Quicktime movies on Linux right now - as long as they're not using Sorenson, which 98% of Quicktime films do.
;-).
Likewise AVI can be a wrapper for a number of film formats, from MPEG1 thru VOB thru DivX
MPEG 1 AVIs work right now under aKtion, the KDE medis player.
I think it can - I know Windows isn't network aware [unless you're talking Terminal Server] but there's no reason you couldn't build these capabilities on screen - its not perfect, but it should be OK.
VNC can pole the screen and send updates of the active Window [or other components] down the wire. I'm proposing a similar system, but with some small modifications.
Some comments at LMN regarding seamless integration have inspired me a little...
As WindowBlinds, Litestep, etc. prove, it's entirely possible to replace the default explorer.exe shell with a another windows manager / desktop environment [its just another setting in win.ini].
So creeate a Win32 shell which actually sends the Windowing information down the wire [you pick the format - but VNC might be an option] to another machine. Make a client on the other machine [for this exercise, the Linux host] which displays the Windowed apps.
There. Seamless inetgration with your Linux desktop.
You'd want to have explorer.exe as an option at boot time in case of network issues.
Personally, the only concern which seeme to be relevant was that closed-source software developers would have to pay licensing to Trolltech to write KDE apps. I didn't want one company controlling and being the sole benefactor of QT [which has contribution from many other sources].
Now the closed source developers won't have to pay that license fee. This is a good thing, but not really that great. Still, it will slightly encourage vendors yet to take the open source plunge to create apps for KDE. This is a good thing.
That's because apple people don't know what the hell they're doing, and just like apples because their shiner, rather than for the taste. Not to mention that Crapple$$$ have never done anything original in their life, and borrow all of their flavour from other fruit. I had an apples, and it stopped tasting nice after I left it in the sun for afew weeks. Due to their high levels of citric acid, my oranges were fine.
And orange people actually enjoy using an arcane fruit where you have to peel it before you can it eat it. They're a bunch of bearded hippies who think everything should be citric, and have no idea of the realities of the the modern corporate orchard.
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