Now we understand why Apple is so good at doing full text searches and filesystem wide searches. I wish we had the same type of search functionality in Mozilla that Mail.app boasts of. That is the one feature that Mozilla's mail client really could use.
Like Kevin pointed out earlier, RealPlayer 10 is mostly HelixPlayer with just a few libraries bundled in.
We wanted a player that was completely opensource, didn't have any binary components, which had Ogg and Theora as the primary codecs. That is HelixPlayer. It becomes easier to redistribute it and developers can have a much better experience working with it.
This is the interesting problem we always face. If we hadn't done this and had just one Helix/Real Player that needed binaries to add to the functionality - then folks would have complained about how it is not all opensource.
Ilgaz,
thank you so much for your encouragement. Look to the upcoming RP10 for Mac which actually shares a lot of code with the Linux player. You will find some of that information here
There is close co-ordination between the mac team and the linux team which I hope will show in the ease of use of both products.
-V
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Vikram Dendi
Program Manager (Linux and Mac Players)
We would love for it to work on as many platforms as possible. Initially we had to pick a focus and we ended up picking x86, linux and other commonly used platforms. In fact, there has been work done on solaris(sparc and x86) thanks to community members who have started rolling the ball on it, powerpc, playstation2, ia64 even.
Platform work
There is a pretty standard procedure listed on that page for how to start work on a platform or port to a new platform.
I am sorry to hear that you had contacted folks in hc.org and didn't get any response. This might have been around the time when hc.org moved platforms (to Gforge now). Can you forward the email to me at vikram(at)helixcommunity.org? We would love to have you as part of the community.
-V
HelixPlayer project is one of the key projects of HelixCommunity, the effort by Real to opensource many of the core technologies that drive it's software. The Helix DNA Client mediaengine for instance is the same mediaengine that drives the new RealPlayer10 for windows, the upcoming RealPlayers for both Linux and Mac. HelixPlayer is the basis for the future RealPlayer for Linux. Hope that clarifies things. -V
Direct Link:
http://forms.real.com/real/realone/mac.html
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At the player project on helixcommunity you should be able to find an early milestone build for Solaris on Sparc. Downloads The Solaris x86 build is still being worked on in the community, and your help will be greatly appreciated. You can see the status of HelixPlayer on several platforms here: Platforms
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It's hard to find:( but it's at the bottom of the page (Linux/Unix): http://forms.real.com/real/player/u nix/unix.html You can also get the new Helix Player: https://player.helixcommunity.org/2004/do wnloads
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Given how much is being said for and against whether the windows player has improved, I will desist from commenting on that, but...
I would love to hear from you what problems you have had with the Macintosh RealPlayer that you downloaded. We are working hard towards the next version of the OSX player and would love your feedback to improve our user experience.
I must say, this is possibly the very first time as the Program Manager of the Mac OSX RealPlayer product that I heard that it was obnoxious! I would be very curious to know why you think that, and if the other Mac users here feel the same way.
For those who are interested in reviews of the Mac version of the RealPlayer here are some: Version Tracker Download.com
You will notice that the OSX RealPlayer has excellent user feedback and reviews. The few negative ratings were for older and legacy players.
I try hard to help make software that I (and we) enjoy using. I would really appreciate if you made sure you had all the facts before being nasty to products that developers and designers have worked really hard for.
There was a time when Real's name was synonymous with streaming music on the internet. While this name over time has gotten blemishes and erosion news such as these are hopefully indications of a change to be more friendly and more fun. I think by way of business models, I can only guess (since I work mostly on the Mac and the Helix end of Real), that given the continued success of Rhapsody (music as a service)that is where Real might want to head. To be once again, the destination for audio and video on the net is probably motivation enough to put more focus on the content and user experience rather than the software and upsells.
Have you tried downloading the windows RealPlayer recently? The "epic quest" that I need to go through these days is as follows: 1) Go to www.real.com 2) Click on the big yellow download button 3) Page with two choices - a colorful pitch for the "premium/paid" player on the left half of the page, a blander (more text oriented) free player download option on the right 4) Click on Download Free RealPlayer link for the download to start.
This is my current experience using Mozilla Firefox.
-- I help build the 'Real' Linux Player - since there aren't enough puns already.
The Listen/Real Rhapsody service model is possibly the best digital music model for these times. It is surprising how little it is advertised - every single user that I have come across loves the service and feel that the 10 bucks they pay per month is a phenomenal value. Targetted primarily at connected/broadband users its a buffet of music. Of course, it doesn't do as well when you start looking at how to get the music to go with you on the road.
Here's a link to a recent review:
Rhapsody Review
Here is the link to the service itself:
Rhapsody
Caltech's awesome for specific fields in CS - fortunately I would count networking as one. Steven Low and group are doing some amazing stuff there. The male to female ratio has improved dramatically lately, I was there recruiting the other day and was impressed by how girls are also cuter;) They dress very well these days too I hear instead of the pajamas and thick glasses shown as favored in Real Genius. Also has one of the best financial aid policies in the country.
Actually, Theora support in Helix Player is almost ready:) Look for it in a nightly build soon. The milestone schedule will change to show it when it gets in.
Thanks to the support of our users and community, there are somethings that have gone faster than expected within the project.
The helixplayer open source project has a Milestone build, which you can no longer download, as it's pretty old. They have a nightly builds page, though.
Why can't you download MS1? Could you please let me know if you found a broken link somewhere?
Here is the right information by the way.
MS1
I do recommend the nightly builds if you want recent bug fixes. Also MS2 is right around the corner.
As I noted in the RA/RV 10 announcement on the project page, we are working on getting the codecs to work perfectly by ms2 later this month. If there are any other problems I would urge you to file a bug or post it in the forum. And, thank you for giving Helix Player a try!
Vikram Dendi
Program Manager (Helix Player)
I agree with this. The main thing here is the wide variety of movies that an average NRI has interest in - I for one have found movies of interest in several languages (Hindi, Tamil, Telugu etc.) and would love to have a system where I can pick and choose from the umpteen languages available in india.
There are lots of cool possibilities to go with it too - subtitling, user ratings and recommendations and so forth - that a p2p digital transaction medium can enable that the traditional mailorder/pickup dvd business cannot.
I too would like to see our project make you jump that wall and *like* Real for good. Or at least - like what Helix means to the open source community. I've gone over the press release and most of the documentation on our project page was written by me or my team members. Now, where did you see this *making people believe* stuff? Even the press release says upfront:...The open-source Helix Player, with the addition of the RealAudio(R) and RealVideo(R) binaries, will enable Linux, Unix and Solaris users...
There is also mention of how Xiph is working on integrating Ogg into the client core. If NOT having the source code for RA/RV is all that is stopping you from participating in the project, why don't we work on getting an open source alternative to work? - the project IS opensource you know!
Given how much thought and effort you have put into your comments here, I would love to see you continue giving us your constructive criticism in the future as well here and (even better) on the Helix community.
Slashdot Mirror
(from my earlier submission to s.) Here are a few screenshots of the Alpha.
Now we understand why Apple is so good at doing full text searches and filesystem wide searches. I wish we had the same type of search functionality in Mozilla that Mail.app boasts of.
That is the one feature that Mozilla's mail client really could use.
It would be awesome to support Dirac in the Helix Player. It would make a nice addition to Vorbis and Theora - if it lives up to the hype.
We wanted a player that was completely opensource, didn't have any binary components, which had Ogg and Theora as the primary codecs. That is HelixPlayer. It becomes easier to redistribute it and developers can have a much better experience working with it.
This is the interesting problem we always face. If we hadn't done this and had just one Helix/Real Player that needed binaries to add to the functionality - then folks would have complained about how it is not all opensource.
-V
I would be very interested to learn about this. Can you forward those sessions to vikram(at)helixcommunity.org ?
thank you so much for your encouragement. Look to the upcoming RP10 for Mac which actually shares a lot of code with the Linux player. You will find some of that information here
There is close co-ordination between the mac team and the linux team which I hope will show in the ease of use of both products.
-V
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Vikram Dendi
Program Manager (Linux and Mac Players)
There is a pretty standard procedure listed on that page for how to start work on a platform or port to a new platform. I am sorry to hear that you had contacted folks in hc.org and didn't get any response. This might have been around the time when hc.org moved platforms (to Gforge now). Can you forward the email to me at vikram(at)helixcommunity.org? We would love to have you as part of the community.
-V
HelixPlayer project is one of the key projects of HelixCommunity, the effort by Real to opensource many of the core technologies that drive it's software.
The Helix DNA Client mediaengine for instance is the same mediaengine that drives the new RealPlayer10 for windows, the upcoming RealPlayers for both Linux and Mac. HelixPlayer is the basis for the future RealPlayer for Linux.
Hope that clarifies things.
-V
The HelixPlayer nightlies now are pretty stable. MS 2.2 is impending as well.
Direct Link: http://forms.real.com/real/realone/mac.html
At the player project on helixcommunity you should be able to find an early milestone build for Solaris on Sparc.
Downloads
The Solaris x86 build is still being worked on in the community, and your help will be greatly appreciated. You can see the status of HelixPlayer on several platforms here:
Platforms
It's hard to find :( but it's at the bottom of the page (Linux/Unix):u nix/unix.htmlo wnloads
http://forms.real.com/real/player/
You can also get the new Helix Player:
https://player.helixcommunity.org/2004/d
I would love to hear from you what problems you have had with the Macintosh RealPlayer that you downloaded. We are working hard towards the next version of the OSX player and would love your feedback to improve our user experience.
I must say, this is possibly the very first time as the Program Manager of the Mac OSX RealPlayer product that I heard that it was obnoxious! I would be very curious to know why you think that, and if the other Mac users here feel the same way.
For those who are interested in reviews of the Mac version of the RealPlayer here are some:
Version Tracker
Download.com
You will notice that the OSX RealPlayer has excellent user feedback and reviews. The few negative ratings were for older and legacy players.
I try hard to help make software that I (and we) enjoy using. I would really appreciate if you made sure you had all the facts before being nasty to products that developers and designers have worked really hard for.
-V
Blunte,
I respectfully request that you try out the latest RealPlayer. Given your expectations you will be pleasantly surprised.
-V
There was a time when Real's name was synonymous with streaming music on the internet. While this name over time has gotten blemishes and erosion news such as these are hopefully indications of a change to be more friendly and more fun.
I think by way of business models, I can only guess (since I work mostly on the Mac and the Helix end of Real), that given the continued success of Rhapsody (music as a service)that is where Real might want to head. To be once again, the destination for audio and video on the net is probably motivation enough to put more focus on the content and user experience rather than the software and upsells.
Have you tried downloading the windows RealPlayer recently?
The "epic quest" that I need to go through these days is as follows:
1) Go to www.real.com
2) Click on the big yellow download button
3) Page with two choices - a colorful pitch for the "premium/paid" player on the left half of the page, a blander (more text oriented) free player download option on the right
4) Click on Download Free RealPlayer link for the download to start.
This is my current experience using Mozilla Firefox.
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I help build the 'Real' Linux Player - since there aren't enough puns already.
It's even harder to find Mac freeware though.
Been away too long. When did the work week become 5 days from six?
The Listen/Real Rhapsody service model is possibly the best digital music model for these times. It is surprising how little it is advertised - every single user that I have come across loves the service and feel that the 10 bucks they pay per month is a phenomenal value. Targetted primarily at connected/broadband users its a buffet of music. Of course, it doesn't do as well when you start looking at how to get the music to go with you on the road. Here's a link to a recent review: Rhapsody Review
Here is the link to the service itself: Rhapsody
Caltech's awesome for specific fields in CS - fortunately I would count networking as one. Steven Low and group are doing some amazing stuff there. ;) They dress very well these days too I hear instead of the pajamas and thick glasses shown as favored in Real Genius.
The male to female ratio has improved dramatically lately, I was there recruiting the other day and was impressed by how girls are also cuter
Also has one of the best financial aid policies in the country.
Actually, Theora support in Helix Player is almost ready :) Look for it in a nightly build soon. The milestone schedule will change to show it when it gets in.
Thanks to the support of our users and community, there are somethings that have gone faster than expected within the project.
It certainly hurts.. but sometimes such hurting is good... wouldn't you say? Personally, I am proud to be working on bridging the gaps.
Why can't you download MS1? Could you please let me know if you found a broken link somewhere?
Here is the right information by the way. MS1 I do recommend the nightly builds if you want recent bug fixes. Also MS2 is right around the corner.
As I noted in the RA/RV 10 announcement on the project page, we are working on getting the codecs to work perfectly by ms2 later this month. If there are any other problems I would urge you to file a bug or post it in the forum. And, thank you for giving Helix Player a try! Vikram Dendi Program Manager (Helix Player)
I agree with this. The main thing here is the wide variety of movies that an average NRI has interest in - I for one have found movies of interest in several languages (Hindi, Tamil, Telugu etc.) and would love to have a system where I can pick and choose from the umpteen languages available in india. There are lots of cool possibilities to go with it too - subtitling, user ratings and recommendations and so forth - that a p2p digital transaction medium can enable that the traditional mailorder/pickup dvd business cannot.
I too would like to see our project make you jump that wall and *like* Real for good. Or at least - like what Helix means to the open source community. I've gone over the press release and most of the documentation on our project page was written by me or my team members. Now, where did you see this *making people believe* stuff? Even the press release says upfront: ...The open-source Helix Player, with the addition of the RealAudio(R) and RealVideo(R) binaries, will enable Linux, Unix and Solaris users...
There is also mention of how Xiph is working on integrating Ogg into the client core. If NOT having the source code for RA/RV is all that is stopping you from participating in the project, why don't we work on getting an open source alternative to work? - the project IS opensource you know!
Given how much thought and effort you have put into your comments here, I would love to see you continue giving us your constructive criticism in the future as well here and (even better) on the Helix community.