I know how you can use a nail clip to cut someone. You probably couldn't kill anyone with a nail clipper easily but you can certainly put them in pain, which is all a terrorist needs.
Though, I don't support the banning of everything on airplanes, everything can be used as a weapon including your bare fist. What next? Ban people from the airplane? A group of martial artists could probably take over a plane.
I'm betting the Xbox 360 will again cause Microsoft to lose money. Apple cannot make the money back through game purchases the way console makers can, this is why they can't cram three 3+GHz CPUs into a $500 personal computer along with a 40+Gig 7200 RPM hard drive. The Xbox 360 will not even have a hard drive this time. Also remember the Xbox 360 is much larger than the Mac mini, Apple has a limit to what they can do when they want to put out a quiet, small, and simple personal computer.
Apple ranters like you can bitch and moan all day long while looking over the details.
Perhaps Apple did slack on the 64 bit OS but it probably has to do with the fact that they see no real rush to make Mac OS X fully 64 bit. It's not the OS that really needs the features of a 64 bit CPU, it's certain applications such as Photoshop that benefit from them.
Maybe I just have different priorities; a lot of the slashdot crowd is greatly obsessed with raw SUV-like power in their computers. I like power too but if it's a machine that's going to be sitting in a living area (bedroom, living room, etc) I don't want the sound of a wind tunnel coming from my fan (no matter how quiet the fan motor is you can't stop air from making noise as it's being forced against a heat sink).
I think Apple is still a technology leader because they try to push the limits of keeping both power and user friendliness in a single package. Your other options usually tend to either be really powerful but somewhat hostile or very friendly but underpowered or inefficient.
No it couldn't play back DVDs if the spiral was inverted. Unless you're suggesting they make an 'intelligent' drive that determines which way to spin the disc, but then that leaves a possible piracy security hole to use regular DVDs but play games from them. At least at the moment you'd be forced to rewire the motor on your Gamecube or your PCs drive to try something like that.
I'd say that's more a problem with how we raise kids. Come on, do you really think kids should have the mentality that: 1) They need to grow up as fast as possible and 2) That being mature means you get to kill shit with blood and gore?
Between me and my roommate we have all three major consoles and the system we use the least is the xbox. In fact he's not even planning on bringing that thing back next year, he's spent more time playing my gamecube than his own xbox and we are in the age group that kids are seemingly obsessed with becoming.
I knew the moment the xbox came out with it's potato-feeling controller, central unit that couldn't sit flat in some store's display cases, and collection of like two interesting platform specific games (neither of which interest me in particular) that I would never buy one.
When you port anything the first thing you focus on is getting the core program to run. That means sound is usually unimplimented or disabled because it would drive you nuts with noise and video might not be rendered properly, but only enough to test if things are working.
My point is, Apple isn't forcing you to use their machines if you want PowerPC. If you want PowerPC with more hardware flexibility then go bitch to IBM and stop whining about how Apple won't let you.
My link was for Xservs but I know and have seen other pages on Apple's site talking about linux on their hardware. They obviously don't provide nearly the same support for obvious reasons (they can't control linux) but they do talk about it and haven't cared about what OS you ran since the days when you had to fool their roms into thinking Linux was Mac OS.
I never said Apple could block OSes with open firmware, I meant that by switching to open firmware they released control over what OS ran on their hardware even more. Apple could still attempt to block other operating systems (at least make installing them a pain) if they wanted to by switching back to roms or doing some other weird hardware hacks to force linux developers to reverse engineer the machine.
Having someone else Agree to the EULA doesn't serve as a workaround. I believe their EULA says by using the software you agree to it, meaning the moment you begin using Mac OS X on PearPC you are technically violating that EULA. Plus having your wife or kids click on it is getting them to break the EULA, is it better that your wife or kids get in trouble for it?
Since we agree that Apple is a hardware company, there's no reason to continue arguing. I posted only to say that Apple is not primarily an OS company and therefore does not have the same incentive as say Microsoft should to support their OSes. However they have a mail form made just for suggestions about OS X, if customers bother them enough they'll fix broken things in the current OS version and maybe even add requested features in an update.
Yeah sure, in the ideal world you bought the hardware and don't need permission, however seeing how Apple has enough control over their hardware to block any other operating system (in fact the switch to Open Firmware has made this easier) yet does not shows that they care less about what software you run and more that you buy their hardware.
Apple won't preinstall linux for you but they certainly don't have a license agreement that says, "You may only run Mac OS on this hardware". You can't say the same about their software which by using you agree to the terms to only use it on Apple hardware.
Stop being hardasses and realize that you are wrong and I am right, Apple's primary business is hardware and their software exists to sell their hardware. If they were an operating system company they'd have OS X for the shitty i386 architecture, iTunes exists for Windows only to sell iPods. No matter what you say my point still stands, Apple has been and is currently a hardware oriented company, refusing to acknowledge that or attempting to poke holes in my argument is futile.
Except that they are still primarily a hardware company using their OS to get people to buy their hardware. Why do you think they'll allow other OSes to run on mac hardware but have always been against mac clones. I'm not excusing Apple from their support, I think they should have security updates for all OS X versions.
I'd say you're pretty foolish for being unable to understand that my response was directed at the parent's, "Like a real OS company." Apple is not an OS company, they create an entire 'all in one' package but have a tendency towards hardware.
Stop trying to pointlessly counter other people's posts, I told the parent to send in a bug report while you accomplished nothing, end of thread tangent.
Prisoners supposed to be repaying a debt to society not to be inhumanely tortured. No human interaction? Come on, you and a lot of other people are bordering or crossing the line of human dignity. If you want them to be 'paying the price' why not suggest something more productive than telling them to rot away in a cell, community service is much better. Hell giving them the resources to be productive on their own is probably more useful. Would you still be making that post if a prisoner came up with something that led to better treatment or a cure for cancer and other currently unstoppable ailments?
It's this same stupid attitude that crime should be responded with by more crime that keeps humans at war with each other.
Oh right and the $500 PCs out there have such superior hardware. Dude, even when you build a PC of OEM parts yourself, you hit or pass the $500 mark when building a PC comparable to the Mac Mini, stop living in your anti-mac zealotry and start realizing that choosing a low end to mid range platform is now just a matter of preference. How many low end prebuilt machines come with an ATI Radeon 9200 by default? I can't believe you the out-of-ass post you just made. What extras do you need for the Mac Mini to bring it up to the same level as a low end PC? A floppy drive?
You may not be able to upgrade your CPU or motherboard without buying a new machine, but most other components are upgradable in the G5. Usually by the time you want to change those components you're better off just buying a new machine anyway. If you're using the system for pure calculations than there's no reason not to go with XServe and whatever machine you want to use to connect to it, the person obviously likes Mac OS so I'd assume they'd use their Powerbook. If you go with XServes than your upgrade money goes more into the components you need (for example, every time you buy a new Dual G5 tower, you're paying for a new optical disc drive, high end video card, keyboard, mouse, etc). The Power architecture is better anyway (you can accuse me of IBM zealotry if you like).
I see no reason for him to switch to 'proper computers'. I believe most people say that Apple hardware gives you more 'bang for your buck', since he's using the hardware for scientific calculation I'd assume that Apple hardware would actually be cheeper for him.
And you need to listen to Bush himself, seriously he may as well give us a list of possible things terrorists can do in his speeches, something like: "These terrorists could blow you up in your car, your home, an airplane, they might strap a bomb onto their back and run into a bus to blow you all up, you should be on the look out for suspicous men who will probably hijack your skateboard as you skate peacefully down the street. We know they have weapons of mass destruction...Terrorists are bad, terrorists are bad and America are good, their baddness will be the end of them and our goodness will be our triumph, bad is bad, good is good, good good bad good bad good good..."
Maybe you like being 'informed' but the media combined with Bush's obsession with the 'war' is only good at loading up the US public with fear, there's very little useful information we need to know as long as our government is doing their job to protect us to the best of their ability. People might better off knowing only when there's an actual, SIGNIFICANT risk, not, there's no need to constantly remind people that they might get blown up or shot in a terrorist killing spree.
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I know how you can use a nail clip to cut someone. You probably couldn't kill anyone with a nail clipper easily but you can certainly put them in pain, which is all a terrorist needs.
Though, I don't support the banning of everything on airplanes, everything can be used as a weapon including your bare fist. What next? Ban people from the airplane? A group of martial artists could probably take over a plane.
Apple is primarily a hardware company that writes software to push their productsl
You fucking rock for that joke.
I'm betting the Xbox 360 will again cause Microsoft to lose money. Apple cannot make the money back through game purchases the way console makers can, this is why they can't cram three 3+GHz CPUs into a $500 personal computer along with a 40+Gig 7200 RPM hard drive. The Xbox 360 will not even have a hard drive this time. Also remember the Xbox 360 is much larger than the Mac mini, Apple has a limit to what they can do when they want to put out a quiet, small, and simple personal computer.
Apple ranters like you can bitch and moan all day long while looking over the details.
Perhaps Apple did slack on the 64 bit OS but it probably has to do with the fact that they see no real rush to make Mac OS X fully 64 bit. It's not the OS that really needs the features of a 64 bit CPU, it's certain applications such as Photoshop that benefit from them.
Maybe I just have different priorities; a lot of the slashdot crowd is greatly obsessed with raw SUV-like power in their computers. I like power too but if it's a machine that's going to be sitting in a living area (bedroom, living room, etc) I don't want the sound of a wind tunnel coming from my fan (no matter how quiet the fan motor is you can't stop air from making noise as it's being forced against a heat sink).
I think Apple is still a technology leader because they try to push the limits of keeping both power and user friendliness in a single package. Your other options usually tend to either be really powerful but somewhat hostile or very friendly but underpowered or inefficient.
No it couldn't play back DVDs if the spiral was inverted. Unless you're suggesting they make an 'intelligent' drive that determines which way to spin the disc, but then that leaves a possible piracy security hole to use regular DVDs but play games from them. At least at the moment you'd be forced to rewire the motor on your Gamecube or your PCs drive to try something like that.
I'd say that's more a problem with how we raise kids. Come on, do you really think kids should have the mentality that:
1) They need to grow up as fast as possible and
2) That being mature means you get to kill shit with blood and gore?
Between me and my roommate we have all three major consoles and the system we use the least is the xbox. In fact he's not even planning on bringing that thing back next year, he's spent more time playing my gamecube than his own xbox and we are in the age group that kids are seemingly obsessed with becoming.
I knew the moment the xbox came out with it's potato-feeling controller, central unit that couldn't sit flat in some store's display cases, and collection of like two interesting platform specific games (neither of which interest me in particular) that I would never buy one.
iMove on a mac.
Windows Movie Maker on windows.
Some open source project for linux.
When you port anything the first thing you focus on is getting the core program to run. That means sound is usually unimplimented or disabled because it would drive you nuts with noise and video might not be rendered properly, but only enough to test if things are working.
So no it's not Linux.
Like this company?
My point is, Apple isn't forcing you to use their machines if you want PowerPC. If you want PowerPC with more hardware flexibility then go bitch to IBM and stop whining about how Apple won't let you.
You can go fuck yourself.
Remember the PowerPC is not made by Apple, it's made by IBM.
My link was for Xservs but I know and have seen other pages on Apple's site talking about linux on their hardware. They obviously don't provide nearly the same support for obvious reasons (they can't control linux) but they do talk about it and haven't cared about what OS you ran since the days when you had to fool their roms into thinking Linux was Mac OS.
I never said Apple could block OSes with open firmware, I meant that by switching to open firmware they released control over what OS ran on their hardware even more. Apple could still attempt to block other operating systems (at least make installing them a pain) if they wanted to by switching back to roms or doing some other weird hardware hacks to force linux developers to reverse engineer the machine.
Having someone else Agree to the EULA doesn't serve as a workaround. I believe their EULA says by using the software you agree to it, meaning the moment you begin using Mac OS X on PearPC you are technically violating that EULA. Plus having your wife or kids click on it is getting them to break the EULA, is it better that your wife or kids get in trouble for it?
Since we agree that Apple is a hardware company, there's no reason to continue arguing. I posted only to say that Apple is not primarily an OS company and therefore does not have the same incentive as say Microsoft should to support their OSes. However they have a mail form made just for suggestions about OS X, if customers bother them enough they'll fix broken things in the current OS version and maybe even add requested features in an update.
Well if you took the time to search you'd see that Apple acknowledges Linux as an option on their hardware.
Yeah sure, in the ideal world you bought the hardware and don't need permission, however seeing how Apple has enough control over their hardware to block any other operating system (in fact the switch to Open Firmware has made this easier) yet does not shows that they care less about what software you run and more that you buy their hardware.
Apple won't preinstall linux for you but they certainly don't have a license agreement that says, "You may only run Mac OS on this hardware". You can't say the same about their software which by using you agree to the terms to only use it on Apple hardware.
Stop being hardasses and realize that you are wrong and I am right, Apple's primary business is hardware and their software exists to sell their hardware. If they were an operating system company they'd have OS X for the shitty i386 architecture, iTunes exists for Windows only to sell iPods. No matter what you say my point still stands, Apple has been and is currently a hardware oriented company, refusing to acknowledge that or attempting to poke holes in my argument is futile.
Except that they are still primarily a hardware company using their OS to get people to buy their hardware. Why do you think they'll allow other OSes to run on mac hardware but have always been against mac clones. I'm not excusing Apple from their support, I think they should have security updates for all OS X versions.
I'd say you're pretty foolish for being unable to understand that my response was directed at the parent's, "Like a real OS company." Apple is not an OS company, they create an entire 'all in one' package but have a tendency towards hardware.
Stop trying to pointlessly counter other people's posts, I told the parent to send in a bug report while you accomplished nothing, end of thread tangent.
Except that they're a hardware company and perhaps you should send in a bug report for SSL in Mail.app.
My Samsung camera phone can easily be configured to not make a shutter sound through the settings menu.
Well the government has recently been being more supporting of corperations than it has been of people. Is this surprising?
Prisoners supposed to be repaying a debt to society not to be inhumanely tortured. No human interaction? Come on, you and a lot of other people are bordering or crossing the line of human dignity. If you want them to be 'paying the price' why not suggest something more productive than telling them to rot away in a cell, community service is much better. Hell giving them the resources to be productive on their own is probably more useful. Would you still be making that post if a prisoner came up with something that led to better treatment or a cure for cancer and other currently unstoppable ailments?
It's this same stupid attitude that crime should be responded with by more crime that keeps humans at war with each other.
Oh right and the $500 PCs out there have such superior hardware. Dude, even when you build a PC of OEM parts yourself, you hit or pass the $500 mark when building a PC comparable to the Mac Mini, stop living in your anti-mac zealotry and start realizing that choosing a low end to mid range platform is now just a matter of preference. How many low end prebuilt machines come with an ATI Radeon 9200 by default? I can't believe you the out-of-ass post you just made. What extras do you need for the Mac Mini to bring it up to the same level as a low end PC? A floppy drive?
You may not be able to upgrade your CPU or motherboard without buying a new machine, but most other components are upgradable in the G5. Usually by the time you want to change those components you're better off just buying a new machine anyway. If you're using the system for pure calculations than there's no reason not to go with XServe and whatever machine you want to use to connect to it, the person obviously likes Mac OS so I'd assume they'd use their Powerbook. If you go with XServes than your upgrade money goes more into the components you need (for example, every time you buy a new Dual G5 tower, you're paying for a new optical disc drive, high end video card, keyboard, mouse, etc). The Power architecture is better anyway (you can accuse me of IBM zealotry if you like).
I see no reason for him to switch to 'proper computers'. I believe most people say that Apple hardware gives you more 'bang for your buck', since he's using the hardware for scientific calculation I'd assume that Apple hardware would actually be cheeper for him.
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Reason: Phrase "proper computer"
Except google would reject the submission.
GAH! Why did you say that, now the Recording Industry Assholes of America are going to start snooping around.
And you need to listen to Bush himself, seriously he may as well give us a list of possible things terrorists can do in his speeches, something like: "These terrorists could blow you up in your car, your home, an airplane, they might strap a bomb onto their back and run into a bus to blow you all up, you should be on the look out for suspicous men who will probably hijack your skateboard as you skate peacefully down the street. We know they have weapons of mass destruction...Terrorists are bad, terrorists are bad and America are good, their baddness will be the end of them and our goodness will be our triumph, bad is bad, good is good, good good bad good bad good good..."
Maybe you like being 'informed' but the media combined with Bush's obsession with the 'war' is only good at loading up the US public with fear, there's very little useful information we need to know as long as our government is doing their job to protect us to the best of their ability. People might better off knowing only when there's an actual, SIGNIFICANT risk, not, there's no need to constantly remind people that they might get blown up or shot in a terrorist killing spree.
Bush is particularly war hungry compared to past presidents. The 'war on terrorism' is a pathetic excuse to get oil.