Yes, I read the long bloody faq, I just didn't agree with it.
Seriously.. Some people act as if it is such basic truth that you must not have read it if you don't agree!
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In response to the subject: "I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.":-)
RIGHT, you like can work with the commandline without a shell and ls/cp/rm/mv!
You like, oh my god!, could write different tools... swap them out... you're not using a new OS!
Duh. Unix is modular. You can even remove/sbin/init and replace it with your own app! Does that make init a utility too? Yes, but it's an important utility, just like the shell and basic commands like ls/mv/cp/rm.
The EXACT reason that you had to hunt for "init" to make a better point is the EXACT reason that I don't find ls/mv/cp/rm or any other simple utility part of the OS! Thank you for making my point for me.
Yeah and the Taliban is already defeated, stop sending troops to Afghanistan.
Windows has already won, stop using Linux.
IE has already won, stop using Netscape/Mozilla/Konqueror/Opera.
Ummm... I said "I am not modding anyone down...". WTF does this have to do with any of this? I posted something.. Had nothing to do with moderation. If you call disagreeing with someone "modding them down", you need to stop reading SlashDot so much.
Think bash, ls, cp, rm, mv, vi, etc. Those are essential system components!
vi is an editor... not an operating system component. ls, cp, rm, mv are all small command-line utilities that have very small functional uses. They are also not used by any graphical UIs that perform the same function. If you remove ls from the system, does the OS crash? vi? mv? They're utilities, not OS components.
" 1. These unexciting but essential components include the GNU assembler, GAS and the linker, GLD, both are now part of the GNU Binutils package, GNU tar, and more."
Where exactly did you get that quote? I did a search through the entire page but haven't found even one line that contains the word "unexciting".
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It's their "See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html for more explanation" link...
You don't get it. They are NOT forcing Linus to change the name "Linux"! They are expressing their opinion about it, yet people mod them down just because they disagree. You don't have to agree with the FSF but you don't have to mod them down either.
I'm not modding anyone down, I just think this horse is dead and its bones have been pulverized... stop beating it.
There's also a decent book out called Quality Web Systems (I know... amazon! here it is at bookpool) that might be useful to some. It talks about lots of aspects of securing (and testing that security) web sites.
I am questioning that the level of their contributions consists of the Operating System and not tools.
" 1. These unexciting but essential components include the GNU assembler, GAS and the linker, GLD, both are now part of the GNU Binutils package, GNU tar, and more."...
So, they consider an assembler part of the OS? A Linker? WTF? Some people write these as part of their Master's program... You know what? It's not part of the OS.
How often have we seen that argument against the GNU/Linux name?
How many times have the whiners at the FSF tried to take credit for half (and the first half) of OS distributions, when, in reality, they are part of a big mixing bowl of lots of different peoples' contributions??
If they stop implying that the FSF and Linus are the only two players in the game, I'll stop pointing out that they're wrong
A successful Open Source product is just like a Closed Source one. Businesses and people who run their sites aren't going to mess around with upgrading to new versions unless there is a driving reason for it.
If there were only 100 people using this product, they would be enthusiasts, and about 85 of them would probably be running the latest version (heck, probably betas), but there are other factors involved.
The more people who use the product, the less quickly that people will adopt the latest and "greatest" version. Heck... a lot of people are still using Office 97 (those that use M$ products...). If there is not a business need, then it is a _bad_ idea to change your platform. So, as far as I'm concerned, this is not news-worthy.
I want to patent ass slapping while having sex. I know people have been doing it for a long time, but I am the first to patent, so I am going to enforce my patent!
I'll make millions. At worst, if I can't get any royalties, I'll sell access to everyone's court-orderd bedroom webcam (for my patent enforcement)
Some people call wisened leaders Elders. As a title, the word is capitalized. So, "elder Tom" means the older of two Toms and "Elder Tom" means the Elder named Tom.
The church" on the corner is a building...
The Church is the organization/establishment (i.e. "The Catholic Church").
It can't be that hard to swap out the coolant with a keg strapped on its back and the temperature gauge with a gauge that determines the depth of beer in a glass...
Kick off a keg party and set the robot on AutoFill!!
Man... Now all we need is to give it a nice rack and a tight tank top:-)
With a normal signature experts are able to verify the signature by looking at the pressure used on the pen in different parts of the signature. A feature that is very much lost with this "digital signature"
I have worked in the field of Biometrics, and this statement is just not true. In many implementations of signature pads, the pressure is also measured (and even displays thicker lines because of it). Most signature recognition algorithms also use the varying pressure as a factor in the matching algorithm.
A traced signature will _not_ match on any matching software I used.
I certainly hope not... *I* want to make the decision of when I buy a new TV. I want to make sure I have the cash at the right time. I want to pick the features and not pay too much. If we are all required to buy them at a certain deadline, we will all be screwed by the TV manufacturers because they'll know we must buy one right now.
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Seriously.. Some people act as if it is such basic truth that you must not have read it if you don't agree!
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In response to the subject: "I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week." :-)
You like, oh my god!, could write different tools... swap them out... you're not using a new OS!
Duh. Unix is modular. You can even remove /sbin/init and replace it with your own app! Does that make init a utility too? Yes, but it's an important utility, just like the shell and basic commands like ls/mv/cp/rm.
The EXACT reason that you had to hunt for "init" to make a better point is the EXACT reason that I don't find ls/mv/cp/rm or any other simple utility part of the OS! Thank you for making my point for me.
Yeah and the Taliban is already defeated, stop sending troops to Afghanistan. Windows has already won, stop using Linux. IE has already won, stop using Netscape/Mozilla/Konqueror/Opera.
Ummm... I said "I am not modding anyone down...". WTF does this have to do with any of this? I posted something.. Had nothing to do with moderation. If you call disagreeing with someone "modding them down", you need to stop reading SlashDot so much.
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vi is an editor... not an operating system component. ls, cp, rm, mv are all small command-line utilities that have very small functional uses. They are also not used by any graphical UIs that perform the same function. If you remove ls from the system, does the OS crash? vi? mv? They're utilities, not OS components.
" 1. These unexciting but essential components include the GNU assembler, GAS and the linker, GLD, both are now part of the GNU Binutils package, GNU tar, and more."
Where exactly did you get that quote? I did a search through the entire page but haven't found even one line that contains the word "unexciting".
here
It's their "See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html for more explanation" link...
You don't get it. They are NOT forcing Linus to change the name "Linux"! They are expressing their opinion about it, yet people mod them down just because they disagree. You don't have to agree with the FSF but you don't have to mod them down either.
I'm not modding anyone down, I just think this horse is dead and its bones have been pulverized... stop beating it.
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" 1. These unexciting but essential components include the GNU assembler, GAS and the linker, GLD, both are now part of the GNU Binutils package, GNU tar, and more."...
So, they consider an assembler part of the OS? A Linker? WTF? Some people write these as part of their Master's program... You know what? It's not part of the OS.
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How many times have the whiners at the FSF tried to take credit for half (and the first half) of OS distributions, when, in reality, they are part of a big mixing bowl of lots of different peoples' contributions??
If they stop implying that the FSF and Linus are the only two players in the game, I'll stop pointing out that they're wrong
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Going to have to rewrite that Monty Python skit!
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GNU/XFree86/KDE/Gnome/GenuflectTowardsTheFSF/RMS/K itchenSink/Linux
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P.S. Can't wait to see all the moderation abuse in this discussion...
How many developers do you think there are in the world?
Businesses and people who run their sites aren't going to mess around with upgrading to new versions unless there is a driving reason for it.
If there were only 100 people using this product, they would be enthusiasts, and about 85 of them would probably be running the latest version (heck, probably betas), but there are other factors involved.
The more people who use the product, the less quickly that people will adopt the latest and "greatest" version. Heck... a lot of people are still using Office 97 (those that use M$ products...).
If there is not a business need, then it is a _bad_ idea to change your platform. So, as far as I'm concerned, this is not news-worthy.
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Hey...
I think I know that guy!
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Yeah man... I've seen your mom... I can see how she wouldn't have had sex for 6 years! Yikes!
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I'll make millions. At worst, if I can't get any royalties, I'll sell access to everyone's court-orderd bedroom webcam (for my patent enforcement)
I can smell the money now!
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It would be much more Darwinian if he had lost his nads though!
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Some people call wisened leaders Elders. As a title, the word is capitalized. So, "elder Tom" means the older of two Toms and "Elder Tom" means the Elder named Tom.
The church" on the corner is a building...
The Church is the organization/establishment (i.e. "The Catholic Church").
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I sense a new movie coming...
Girls Gone Wild 5!: Watch as Robbie The Robot hoses down all these hot coeds! :-)
I'd buy it :-)
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Kick off a keg party and set the robot on AutoFill!!
Man... Now all we need is to give it a nice rack and a tight tank top :-)
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I have worked in the field of Biometrics, and this statement is just not true. In many implementations of signature pads, the pressure is also measured (and even displays thicker lines because of it). Most signature recognition algorithms also use the varying pressure as a factor in the matching algorithm.
A traced signature will _not_ match on any matching software I used.
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That's not a word! You should have said "derstandable"! ;-)
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- X10 (I know... farging pop-unders!) addressable Thermostat thingies..
- The X10 Firecracker (wireless transmitter) on your PC..
- A web server running the Perl libraries for X10.
- A WAP-based web page for the cell phone...
So, fire up your cell phone... enter a temperature... and POOF! The A/C is on!Pretty cool.. My old boss has had that for about 3 years now.
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that's just not fair
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So nice to hear from you
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