Ok. Let's have a friggin moratorium on statements like this will probably be modded [insert negative mod].
It doesn't make you sound intelligent, or meaningful, or open-minded, or really passionate. It makes you sound desperate to get modded up (read peer-approval). Why don't you just say what you want to say and get it the *&#$ over? If you @@#$ing meant it, you'd say it whether you'd get modded or not.
Oh, and just FYI: It costs HALF as much to live in St. Petersburg (or Mumbai) as it does in Dallas, NY, LA, SF, et al. You know, those towns where people used to innovate? That's why they can get paid half.
If capitalism is the green-eyed monster in this equation, how is it that St. Petersburg even has this opportunity? Oh yeah, capitalism is what's creating these Russian jobs!! Wow.
I concur. Let's get Linux, BSD, heavens... just get *nix to be the standard for everyday work. That's where the real fun and profit are. Once *nix is a standard, then games will come to it.
Linux et al. is founded on the desire to get the job done, and get it done efficiently. In the field of high-performance computing and server solutions, Linux (and *nix in general) has been and continues to be the tao. It's becoming so elsewhere, even in small office computing environments.
Patience, grasshopper. If you build the field, then the games will come.
Bush is a weenie totalitarian incompetent scumbag dictator fascist mastermind of terror around the world. I would like nothing better than to see the United State of America get its ass kicked by Osama bin Laden, Al Quaeda and the palistenians.
Furthermore, Republicans are fascists, Margaret Thatcher is a dirty whore, Reagan is animatronic ductwork, and Noam Chomsky is God incarnate (or a reasonable facsimile thereof). Right-wing fundies are bigots and homophobes and smell like onions. Conservatives strangle children in their spare time and just aren't, under any circumstance whatsoever, cool.
I think it's time to send all non-centrist, closed-minded people to a hell of their choosing. Too many people think it's "ok" to not be tolerant and open-minded. That's just not acceptable. We need to silence those people, with tanks if possible.
Just my $0.02.
IMHO.
You'll probably think I'm a Troll...
I'm just not sure...
LOL WTF!!!111one
Did I mention my opinion was humble? Cuz it is. That's why I'm broadcasting it to everyone on Slashdot. Cuz it's humble and stuff. Really, I'm open-minded. Please?
Good grief, people. How is this a troll? It's a friggin joke.
You people need to get the corn-cob out of your sphincters.
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You're putting too much thought into it.
My point is that the actual quality of the product is irrelevant. Its value, for most folks, is determined not by quality but by perceived value. What does everyone else think about this product? To wit, a Gucci/Versace/Prada bag is not valuable because of how long it lasts/how well it performs but because it will get you [insert laudatory expression] from your [insert peer-group expression]. Or, it will get you [insert copulatory expression].
Perhaps it would have been better to use a non-geek example. Geeks tend to go to the other extreme. They have a habit of wearing fringe products like medals, if there is any real quality to the product. I.e. quality (to the exclusion of perceived value) is king.
So, in geek circles, the nGage sucks because, well, it just sucks as a product. The iPod is cool because, well, it does its job, and then some. Within Geekworld, these products' perceived values are (as they should be) based on their quality. Geeks are hardly mainstream, though. Outside Geekworld you'd be hard pressed to find someone who could give you a substantial reason for saying that the nGage sucks. Or that the iPod is cool. For most Americans, value is based on the tenuous (and highly manipulable) network of popular consensus. In essence, the marketing world is providing a kind of spritual leadership for the public consciousness.
Americans, by and large, have bought hook-line-and-sinker the idea of perceived value. With an entire nation of walking Gap ads, chatting up their "peeps" on a Nokia cell-shackle, how else can you arbitrate but with quality of marketing?
Perhaps that's the parent's main point. Who would want to strugle toward's making the game playable? I will work to make my commute from home to the office less taxing, but why would I want to do that in a game?
Ok, that's it. Either you provide proof (written statement from both development and publisher) that this was some kind of morality play meant to have the player feel guilt and remorse, or face the wrath of goodness. Meanwhile, let me know how goodness can forbid anything. Last time I checked, the expression was "God forbid". Try that.
Spare me. Rockstar Games is just another friggin "evil corporation" that's out to make a buck. Stop shoving your pucky around and trying to pass it off as art.
Why would I (or anyone else) buy a game to make me feel guilty?
Why would I continue to play the game (the purpose of buying the game) when I feel guilty for doing so?
Stop trying to rationalize depraved corporate behavior. The game sounds like it's sociopathic. Why not just create a game based on John Wayne Gacy's life? Call it Balloon Baby Blood Bobble. It'll be a hit. Make lots of money.
So what if it desensitizes us. Why should serial killers shock us? They're people, too, ya know. I personally know that Ted Bundy loved his cat. He was a good person under all that cold-blooded psychotic murderous zeal gruffness.
Thank you. You get the point. Heinlein was an inspiration and should be lauded to high heaven for it. He was conscientious, meticulous, and adventurous in his writing, just as a scientist should be. He also had a brazen disregard for what was improperly proper.
In short, you are quite correct. He should get some credit, just as J.F.K. should get some credit for Apollo 11. Heinlein is one of the reasons why we've come as far as we have in science and technology. He dared, with fists outstretched, his readers to dream the impossible and make it happen.
Because you are anoninimous and unconscionibly anal, I feel the necessisy to call you a moron. You such suck unimaginatatively large rocks that my speak has become unintellectable. You can fly off this flat earth with the force of a thousant donkey farts.
Oh, I'm sorry. Lost myself. Anyway, you missed the point entirely. Michener wrote Space after 1969. HG Wells (sic, it's H.G. by the way) didn't write about submarines. Writers don't do anything but write, unless they choose to do something else. NASA (and the American taxpayer) put Neil Armstrong et al. on the moon. The first submarines were put to use by the American, Japanese and Russian navies of the late 19th century. They were designed by John P. Holland and Simon Lake. By your argument, any drunken Elizabethan riding the Thames in a wine barrel could have been the inventor of the submarine.
As it applies to anything other than an ad hominem attack? No.
So what if I get a little hot under the collar about this? At issue here is people's willingness, heck, frothing desire to attribute [insert virtue of your choice] to their pet celebrity. It's gotten to the point that people place far more importance on fame than real accomplishment. People would much rather play a doctor on television than be a doctor helping real people with real problems.
Heinlein wrote some good, thoughtful fiction, and now he's a great inventor? What's next, knighthood? Oh, wait.
You just go ahead, take me wrong all you want. I've read Heinlein, I like Heinlein, and I respect Heinlein for what he's accomplished. He elevated science fiction to a new degree of moral, societal and scientific relevancy. The man was a damn good writer. An inspiration to millions.
They didn't build a damn thing. They sat around and wrote about it. They didn't work out the details, they didn't do any of the blood-sweat-and-tears work.
And #$$#$@#@, YES there is more work to it than just coming up with the damned sacrosanct idea. Have you not ever written code? The devil, the WORK, is in the details. Any writer will tell you this about his craft. I guaran-damn-tee you that writers spend far more time working out plot structures then working on the details of their "inventions." The inventions are plot tools. Devices for moving the friggin story along. If the writer really wanted the thing to materialize, he'd $#$(*&% BUILD it. See John Carmack.
In my NSFHO, I think that we should use the zero-point energy of the universe to create matter, hence making matter replication possible.
Now, if I can just write a good enough work of fiction that enough people read it, then I can claim credit for actually inventing it.
Hell, while I'm at it, let's just give Michener credit for landing the Eagle on the moon. Oh, and didn't H.G. Wells invent the submarine? Too bad we can't bring him back to life to award a patent and 1.21 gojillion dollars to him.
Wait! We can! I'll just write a novel about resurection technology! And it'll get invented; no, wait, I already invented it. This is all so confusing....
No, Heinlein did not invent these devices any more than Gibson invented the internet (or Stevenson did VR). Scientists and engineers read these books and say to themselves, "Neeto," and then set about to putting in the long hours and frustration to actually make these ideas happen.
Mucho deserved props to Heinlein et al., but it's the "nobodies" in academic institutions (PhD's and don't forget those indentured servants, aka grad students) and the tinkerers in garages that really make the world go round. Heinlein gets the fame, but sorry, he shouldn't get the credit.
d00d, that's Gravitron. Not Magnatron. Ours played Led Zeppelin, and you could climb the walls about like spiders climb water. The G's generally pinned you to the wall and sent your stomach into the rafters.
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If this is somehow a free-market economy, how is it that Senator John McCain has any business telling cable companies what products they should offer?
Ok. Let's have a friggin moratorium on statements like this will probably be modded [insert negative mod].
It doesn't make you sound intelligent, or meaningful, or open-minded, or really passionate. It makes you sound desperate to get modded up (read peer-approval). Why don't you just say what you want to say and get it the *&#$ over? If you @@#$ing meant it, you'd say it whether you'd get modded or not.
Oh, and just FYI: It costs HALF as much to live in St. Petersburg (or Mumbai) as it does in Dallas, NY, LA, SF, et al. You know, those towns where people used to innovate? That's why they can get paid half.
If capitalism is the green-eyed monster in this equation, how is it that St. Petersburg even has this opportunity? Oh yeah, capitalism is what's creating these Russian jobs!! Wow.
Now. STFU and go home troll.
I concur. Let's get Linux, BSD, heavens... just get *nix to be the standard for everyday work. That's where the real fun and profit are. Once *nix is a standard, then games will come to it.
Linux et al. is founded on the desire to get the job done, and get it done efficiently. In the field of high-performance computing and server solutions, Linux (and *nix in general) has been and continues to be the tao. It's becoming so elsewhere, even in small office computing environments.
Patience, grasshopper. If you build the field, then the games will come.
Bush is a weenie totalitarian incompetent scumbag dictator fascist mastermind of terror around the world. I would like nothing better than to see the United State of America get its ass kicked by Osama bin Laden, Al Quaeda and the palistenians.
Furthermore, Republicans are fascists, Margaret Thatcher is a dirty whore, Reagan is animatronic ductwork, and Noam Chomsky is God incarnate (or a reasonable facsimile thereof). Right-wing fundies are bigots and homophobes and smell like onions. Conservatives strangle children in their spare time and just aren't, under any circumstance whatsoever, cool.
I think it's time to send all non-centrist, closed-minded people to a hell of their choosing. Too many people think it's "ok" to not be tolerant and open-minded. That's just not acceptable. We need to silence those people, with tanks if possible.
Just my $0.02.
IMHO.
You'll probably think I'm a Troll...
I'm just not sure...
LOL WTF!!!111one
Did I mention my opinion was humble? Cuz it is. That's why I'm broadcasting it to everyone on Slashdot. Cuz it's humble and stuff. Really, I'm open-minded. Please?
Good grief, people. How is this a troll? It's a friggin joke.
You people need to get the corn-cob out of your sphincters.
You're putting too much thought into it.
My point is that the actual quality of the product is irrelevant. Its value, for most folks, is determined not by quality but by perceived value. What does everyone else think about this product? To wit, a Gucci/Versace/Prada bag is not valuable because of how long it lasts/how well it performs but because it will get you [insert laudatory expression] from your [insert peer-group expression]. Or, it will get you [insert copulatory expression].
Perhaps it would have been better to use a non-geek example. Geeks tend to go to the other extreme. They have a habit of wearing fringe products like medals, if there is any real quality to the product. I.e. quality (to the exclusion of perceived value) is king.
So, in geek circles, the nGage sucks because, well, it just sucks as a product. The iPod is cool because, well, it does its job, and then some. Within Geekworld, these products' perceived values are (as they should be) based on their quality. Geeks are hardly mainstream, though. Outside Geekworld you'd be hard pressed to find someone who could give you a substantial reason for saying that the nGage sucks. Or that the iPod is cool. For most Americans, value is based on the tenuous (and highly manipulable) network of popular consensus. In essence, the marketing world is providing a kind of spritual leadership for the public consciousness.
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To paraphrase J'onn J'onzz:
Americans, by and large, have bought hook-line-and-sinker the idea of perceived value. With an entire nation of walking Gap ads, chatting up their "peeps" on a Nokia cell-shackle, how else can you arbitrate but with quality of marketing?
Trendster: Check it, Kiki. I got me an nGage.
Kiki: Eeew.
Trendster: Whatever.
[two weeks later]Trendster: Yo, Kiki. I got me an iPod.
Kiki: Marry me.
Trendster: Solid.
What kind of an open-ended frag-fest are you trying to start here?
Here's a synopsis of the next 900 posts:
One: Windoze suX0r!
Two: Windows Rulez! Linux Sux!
Three: Uh, well no. It has its own....
One: Windoze Sux!!!
Three: Um, guys...
One and Two: SHUT UP!!
Perhaps that's the parent's main point. Who would want to strugle toward's making the game playable? I will work to make my commute from home to the office less taxing, but why would I want to do that in a game?
Cooking is now Biotechnology! Ee-gods, is that funny.
Gad, are you people anal.
Ok, that's it. Either you provide proof (written statement from both development and publisher) that this was some kind of morality play meant to have the player feel guilt and remorse, or face the wrath of goodness. Meanwhile, let me know how goodness can forbid anything. Last time I checked, the expression was "God forbid". Try that.
Spare me. Rockstar Games is just another friggin "evil corporation" that's out to make a buck. Stop shoving your pucky around and trying to pass it off as art.
Stop trying to rationalize depraved corporate behavior. The game sounds like it's sociopathic. Why not just create a game based on John Wayne Gacy's life? Call it Balloon Baby Blood Bobble. It'll be a hit. Make lots of money.
So what if it desensitizes us. Why should serial killers shock us? They're people, too, ya know. I personally know that Ted Bundy loved his cat. He was a good person under all that cold-blooded psychotic murderous zeal gruffness.
These guys don't need no stinking 32K. They work with only 4K.
Thank you. You get the point. Heinlein was an inspiration and should be lauded to high heaven for it. He was conscientious, meticulous, and adventurous in his writing, just as a scientist should be. He also had a brazen disregard for what was improperly proper.
In short, you are quite correct. He should get some credit, just as J.F.K. should get some credit for Apollo 11. Heinlein is one of the reasons why we've come as far as we have in science and technology. He dared, with fists outstretched, his readers to dream the impossible and make it happen.
Dear AC,
Because you are anoninimous and unconscionibly anal, I feel the necessisy to call you a moron. You such suck unimaginatatively large rocks that my speak has become unintellectable. You can fly off this flat earth with the force of a thousant donkey farts.
Oh, I'm sorry. Lost myself. Anyway, you missed the point entirely. Michener wrote Space after 1969. HG Wells (sic, it's H.G. by the way) didn't write about submarines. Writers don't do anything but write, unless they choose to do something else. NASA (and the American taxpayer) put Neil Armstrong et al. on the moon. The first submarines were put to use by the American, Japanese and Russian navies of the late 19th century. They were designed by John P. Holland and Simon Lake. By your argument, any drunken Elizabethan riding the Thames in a wine barrel could have been the inventor of the submarine.
As it applies to anything other than an ad hominem attack? No.
So what if I get a little hot under the collar about this? At issue here is people's willingness, heck, frothing desire to attribute [insert virtue of your choice] to their pet celebrity. It's gotten to the point that people place far more importance on fame than real accomplishment. People would much rather play a doctor on television than be a doctor helping real people with real problems.
Heinlein wrote some good, thoughtful fiction, and now he's a great inventor? What's next, knighthood? Oh, wait.
You just go ahead, take me wrong all you want. I've read Heinlein, I like Heinlein, and I respect Heinlein for what he's accomplished. He elevated science fiction to a new degree of moral, societal and scientific relevancy. The man was a damn good writer. An inspiration to millions.
But only that. An inspiration.
And #$$#$@#@, YES there is more work to it than just coming up with the damned sacrosanct idea. Have you not ever written code? The devil, the WORK, is in the details. Any writer will tell you this about his craft. I guaran-damn-tee you that writers spend far more time working out plot structures then working on the details of their "inventions." The inventions are plot tools. Devices for moving the friggin story along. If the writer really wanted the thing to materialize, he'd $#$(*&% BUILD it. See John Carmack.
Now, if I can just write a good enough work of fiction that enough people read it, then I can claim credit for actually inventing it.
Hell, while I'm at it, let's just give Michener credit for landing the Eagle on the moon. Oh, and didn't H.G. Wells invent the submarine? Too bad we can't bring him back to life to award a patent and 1.21 gojillion dollars to him.
Wait! We can! I'll just write a novel about resurection technology! And it'll get invented; no, wait, I already invented it. This is all so confusing....
Yep.
Here's the slashdot story, also.
Mucho deserved props to Heinlein et al., but it's the "nobodies" in academic institutions (PhD's and don't forget those indentured servants, aka grad students) and the tinkerers in garages that really make the world go round. Heinlein gets the fame, but sorry, he shouldn't get the credit.
d00d, that's Gravitron. Not Magnatron. Ours played Led Zeppelin, and you could climb the walls about like spiders climb water. The G's generally pinned you to the wall and sent your stomach into the rafters.
So once you get your degree from school, what's the plan?
To get outsourced.