I'd like to see the 12 year old that can destroy a 20 foot tree with there bare hands in an afternoon. Who said bare hands? Both parties agree the purpose was to remove significant quantities of wood from the tree.
The may have broken a branch, but big deal. They broke many branches, the exact quantity isn't disclosed. What is an acceptable level of vandalism to permit?
The police should never have been involved. How else could this have been handled? The kids weren't behaving. Their parents weren't supervising. An adult confronting them directly could get into a LOT of trouble. There are more then a few cases of parents overreacting when someone fairly corrects the improper behaviour of their kids. Contacting the police is often the preferred solution as they should be a relatively impartial party. Maybe you don't understand how protective parents are of their children.
Yes when the owner of a property gives permission to harvest wood from that property it is acceptable to do so. I don't see how this applies to vandalism.
Chainsaws should generally not be sold to minors. I would assume anyone doing so would be liable for any subsequent damage or injury. What does this have to do with the origional post?
They were warned, vandalism is a serious crime, and arguably considered a gateway crime in this area. They got a serious warning. I remember hearing about special programs where they took young offenders and showed them real prisons and had them meet inmates as a warning of what would happen. I believe such a strong and honest warning might very well be in the best interests of the children.
Vandalism and destruction of public property should not be allowed. Who's arguing against adventurous activity? Remember in this particular case both the police and the children claim they were damaging the tree, not simply climbing it as the slashdot article states.
It's just a public discussion. The think with functioning democracies (or democratic republics or whatever) is that they seem to be at odds with themselves and in a perpetual state of chaos and confusing.
To people from more authoritarian systems it seems crazy that anything works at all.
I would argue free discussion, debate and the apparent chaos is what gives real strength, instead of the mere appearance of strength.
Read the article, they weren't climbing a tree, they were ripping it apart.
To the 12-year-old friends planning to build themselves a den, the cherry tree seemed an inviting source of material. Climbing doesn't get you wood.
Officers considered charging the children with criminal damage but eventually decided a reprimand - the equivalent of a caution for juveniles - was sufficient. They got off with a warning.
must be impervious to influences from outside the device, including, but not limited to, electro-magnetic interference, electro-static interference, and radio frequency interference.
I have a lot of trouble believing that a slot machine is fully resiliant against high power radio or magnetic interference.
They use unmarked cars in many jurisdictions, so it would clearly depend on the law.
Realistically I'd think if you have a reason to believe there might be risk to you should be able to call 911. Like if you have masked people sneaking around your house.
I'd be careful if you call 911 while driving and they have a law against driving and talking on a cell phone.
I've driven across the Ontario/Michigan border many times, I've never filled out a form to do so. They do ask about 20% of the time if I've ever been arrested. I'm not saying that this would disqualify me, or that they should be asking a different question. I'm only saying this is the question that I am actually asked.
They ask 2-4 questions Citizenship, I always travel with my passport now so they don't ask anymore, unless they don't take it.
What are you going to do in the US/How long? Where do you live? If it's work related who I work for and what do they/I do?
Actually I did know and hang out with a lot of cops.
They did tend to be a bit more senior and attached to the more advanced jobs, instructors, and ETF.
I'd expect that if they're hiring cops who couldn't get into the military you've got a HR problem. In most areas I'm aware of it is much easier to get into the military than to be a cop.
If you prevent them or resist them performing the illegal search, yes you are obstructing.
If you simply do not consent this isn't obstruction. If they acted improperly the evidence should be disallowed if it is actually found to be an illegal search. And they may be reprimanded for their behaviour.
Armed people claiming to be FBI, you haven't confirmed and verified that they actually are.
Heck if the police came to your door you could do the same thing. With the way some security guards dress they might not actually be police, even though they in many cases try to create that impression.
Sheesh, it's just the "watch out for big brother" conspiracy groups.
Slashdot is just as susceptible to the same fearmongering that other media outlets are accused (and guilty) of.
This is a somewhat left wing, technology astute, but politically naive group. So a lot of the articles are about the bad political machine that they don't understand and how technology is the solution.
Similarly the politicians are scared of this bad technology machine they don't understand and they think politics/legislation is the solution.
Keep this in mind you'll keep your audience happy (they like to hear things they agree with) scare them a bit (to keep them interested).
So tell the NRA you want to take their guns, tell womens rights groups you want to ban abortions, tell gays they shouldn't have any rights, tell ethinic/religious group X they can't pray or be identified and obviously you'll get that group going.
Tell slashdotters the gov is listening and they're gonna take away your computer for reason X until it's obsolete and they'll get just as upset.
I honestly think some cops are bad, but most (like most people) just want to do a good job, make the world better or at least not any worse and go home to their happy and safe little home. If you really were a sadistic bastard who just wanted to mess with the world, there are easier and more lucrative ways to do it than going into law enforcement.
Protestors can protest, I encourage it, people should protest. I even actually disagree with most protestors because they often don't understand the issue they're protesting.
Now as far as annoying me I think that's wrong. Those farmers should have been arrested and had their handouts cut. I work hard, I pay taxes which we give to them, they respond by spending that money to block MY highway? No thanks.
There are other protests people ripping up, blocking or burning tires on public roads. This crap has to stop, go protest make your point, even if it is a stupid point that is fundamentally wrong, but don't harrass the rest of us. Or be prepared for the consequences when we want to lock you up.
Protest all you want, over whatever you want but don't you date destroy my property, or interfere with my safe and proper use of my own property. (personal property and our collective public property)
Fantasy is personal, generally hand to hand, missle weapons tend to be weak.
Sci fi is impersonal, big boms and guns from a long range, unless they switch to fantasy weapons, light sabers, vibroswords.
I prefer Sci fi books that focus on psychology and characters. Fantasy tends to focus on larger scale things, or skills and adventures, not psychological character development.
LOTR was about an adventure and the reluctant hero, Enders game was all about Enders mind.
The only difference is perspective. Companies have always been concerned with ROI. Some companies are just a bit more risk tolerance with the R.
Companies like IBM, 3M and Google continue to have good success with significant research.
I think it will remain a balance, right now we're heading into a very cost focused business environment as people talk about moving to low cost countries. The companies that manage to focus on their real strengths will be the ones that prosper.
IMO some companies don't need huge research investments, but I think this is becoming an increasingly small piece of industry.
They just weren't competitive then and aren't competative today.
Hydrogen is being pushed because it is a zero emissions solution, and that makes people happy. Problem is that NIMBY becomes less relevant when you're talking global issues (warming and oil shortages)
At an average wage of $73k/yr, or about $36/hr you might have some added responsibility. When you're making over $0.50/minute isn't it reasonable to expect some larger responsibility and decision making ability?
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I'd like to see the 12 year old that can destroy a 20 foot tree with there bare hands in an afternoon.
Who said bare hands?
Both parties agree the purpose was to remove significant quantities of wood from the tree.
The may have broken a branch, but big deal.
They broke many branches, the exact quantity isn't disclosed.
What is an acceptable level of vandalism to permit?
The police should never have been involved.
How else could this have been handled?
The kids weren't behaving.
Their parents weren't supervising.
An adult confronting them directly could get into a LOT of trouble.
There are more then a few cases of parents overreacting when someone fairly corrects the improper behaviour of their kids. Contacting the police is often the preferred solution as they should be a relatively impartial party. Maybe you don't understand how protective parents are of their children.
Bit of a troll, but I'll bite.
Yes when the owner of a property gives permission to harvest wood from that property it is acceptable to do so. I don't see how this applies to vandalism.
Chainsaws should generally not be sold to minors. I would assume anyone doing so would be liable for any subsequent damage or injury.
What does this have to do with the origional post?
They were warned, vandalism is a serious crime, and arguably considered a gateway crime in this area. They got a serious warning.
I remember hearing about special programs where they took young offenders and showed them real prisons and had them meet inmates as a warning of what would happen. I believe such a strong and honest warning might very well be in the best interests of the children.
Vandalism and destruction of public property should not be allowed.
Who's arguing against adventurous activity? Remember in this particular case both the police and the children claim they were damaging the tree, not simply climbing it as the slashdot article states.
It's just a public discussion.
The think with functioning democracies (or democratic republics or whatever) is that they seem to be at odds with themselves and in a perpetual state of chaos and confusing.
To people from more authoritarian systems it seems crazy that anything works at all.
I would argue free discussion, debate and the apparent chaos is what gives real strength, instead of the mere appearance of strength.
Actually saying "the constitution says X and it means X, Y, and Z" really is an argument.
In this case it just happens to be a pretty weak one.
The press is free, nobody is arguing that.
What we are arguing is that simply being a reporter doesn't someone remove your responsibility for your own actions.
The press have the freedom to write whatever they want.
However being held responsible for your actions and what you write isn't an infringement on their ability to act.
Read the article, they weren't climbing a tree, they were ripping it apart.
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To the 12-year-old friends planning to build themselves a den, the cherry tree seemed an inviting source of material.
Climbing doesn't get you wood.
Officers considered charging the children with criminal damage but eventually decided a reprimand - the equivalent of a caution for juveniles - was sufficient.
They got off with a warning.
As far as DNA samples, well maybe if the UK wasn't so focused on getting everyons DNA they wouldn't have done so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_National_DNA_Data
must be impervious to influences from outside the device, including, but not limited to, electro-magnetic interference, electro-static interference, and radio frequency interference.
I have a lot of trouble believing that a slot machine is fully resiliant against high power radio or magnetic interference.
I'm waiting for the Open Source software.
I think there will be quite a few interesting applications for it, particularly when it's integrated.
They use unmarked cars in many jurisdictions, so it would clearly depend on the law.
Realistically I'd think if you have a reason to believe there might be risk to you should be able to call 911. Like if you have masked people sneaking around your house.
I'd be careful if you call 911 while driving and they have a law against driving and talking on a cell phone.
I've driven across the Ontario/Michigan border many times, I've never filled out a form to do so.
They do ask about 20% of the time if I've ever been arrested. I'm not saying that this would disqualify me, or that they should be asking a different question. I'm only saying this is the question that I am actually asked.
They ask 2-4 questions
Citizenship, I always travel with my passport now so they don't ask anymore, unless they don't take it.
What are you going to do in the US/How long?
Where do you live?
If it's work related who I work for and what do they/I do?
Actually I did know and hang out with a lot of cops.
They did tend to be a bit more senior and attached to the more advanced jobs, instructors, and ETF.
I'd expect that if they're hiring cops who couldn't get into the military you've got a HR problem. In most areas I'm aware of it is much easier to get into the military than to be a cop.
If you prevent them or resist them performing the illegal search, yes you are obstructing.
If you simply do not consent this isn't obstruction. If they acted improperly the evidence should be disallowed if it is actually found to be an illegal search. And they may be reprimanded for their behaviour.
Armed people claiming to be FBI, you haven't confirmed and verified that they actually are.
Heck if the police came to your door you could do the same thing. With the way some security guards dress they might not actually be police, even though they in many cases try to create that impression.
Being arrested IS a penalty in itself.
When a foreigner enters the US they don't ask if you've been convicted of a crime, they ask if you've "ever been arrested".
Also an arrest in many areas means you get fingerprinted and put in the databases. Plus in more and more places you have to give a DNA sample.
Sheesh, it's just the "watch out for big brother" conspiracy groups.
Slashdot is just as susceptible to the same fearmongering that other media outlets are accused (and guilty) of.
This is a somewhat left wing, technology astute, but politically naive group. So a lot of the articles are about the bad political machine that they don't understand and how technology is the solution.
Similarly the politicians are scared of this bad technology machine they don't understand and they think politics/legislation is the solution.
Keep this in mind you'll keep your audience happy (they like to hear things they agree with) scare them a bit (to keep them interested).
So tell the NRA you want to take their guns, tell womens rights groups you want to ban abortions, tell gays they shouldn't have any rights, tell ethinic/religious group X they can't pray or be identified and obviously you'll get that group going.
Tell slashdotters the gov is listening and they're gonna take away your computer for reason X until it's obsolete and they'll get just as upset.
I honestly think some cops are bad, but most (like most people) just want to do a good job, make the world better or at least not any worse and go home to their happy and safe little home.
If you really were a sadistic bastard who just wanted to mess with the world, there are easier and more lucrative ways to do it than going into law enforcement.
Protestors can protest, I encourage it, people should protest.
I even actually disagree with most protestors because they often don't understand the issue they're protesting.
Now as far as annoying me I think that's wrong.
Those farmers should have been arrested and had their handouts cut.
I work hard, I pay taxes which we give to them, they respond by spending that money to block MY highway? No thanks.
There are other protests people ripping up, blocking or burning tires on public roads. This crap has to stop, go protest make your point, even if it is a stupid point that is fundamentally wrong, but don't harrass the rest of us. Or be prepared for the consequences when we want to lock you up.
Protest all you want, over whatever you want but don't you date destroy my property, or interfere with my safe and proper use of my own property. (personal property and our collective public property)
Fantasy is personal, generally hand to hand, missle weapons tend to be weak.
Sci fi is impersonal, big boms and guns from a long range, unless they switch to fantasy weapons, light sabers, vibroswords.
I prefer Sci fi books that focus on psychology and characters. Fantasy tends to focus on larger scale things, or skills and adventures, not psychological character development.
LOTR was about an adventure and the reluctant hero, Enders game was all about Enders mind.
It's too expensive.
Cheaper to just build cheap rockets and expect a certain number to fail.
Failure rate will never be zero, it will only get smaller.
At some point it isn't worth it to pay for the next level in reliability.
The only difference is perspective.
Companies have always been concerned with ROI.
Some companies are just a bit more risk tolerance with the R.
Companies like IBM, 3M and Google continue to have good success with significant research.
I think it will remain a balance, right now we're heading into a very cost focused business environment as people talk about moving to low cost countries. The companies that manage to focus on their real strengths will be the ones that prosper.
IMO some companies don't need huge research investments, but I think this is becoming an increasingly small piece of industry.
Why be so recent, google electric cars.
One link points out they existed back in the 1800's
http://www.didik.com/ev_hist.htm
They just weren't competitive then and aren't competative today.
Hydrogen is being pushed because it is a zero emissions solution, and that makes people happy. Problem is that NIMBY becomes less relevant when you're talking global issues (warming and oil shortages)
You don't have to switch to Mastercard, just switch to a different issuers Visa.
There are few remaining sites for hydroelectric.
Plus they have a HUGE environmental footprint.
One of the big negatives with the wind turbines is the amount of birds they kill.
There is no perfect power source, either we have to conserve or pay more.
Eye of the Beholder wasn't that violent was it?
At an average wage of $73k/yr, or about $36/hr you might have some added responsibility.
When you're making over $0.50/minute isn't it reasonable to expect some larger responsibility and decision making ability?