It looks like these people are signing agreements they didn't read or understand.
They have a few options that I can see.
Terminate the agreement. Bill for the bandwidth, or sue for damages. Various technical measures (which are prohibited by the agreement) Point out to your contacts at Amazon that this is pointless and dumb in such a manner they actually listen.
Make a mini site for the amazon site/bot, but the rest of your website in a second location (that they don't have access too)
Why deal with a company like this anyway, they're obviously inconsiderate pricks (at least) move on with your life.
The point is they want to demonstrate their complaint to this person. Reasonable explanations haven't worked. So they are giving a more practical demonstration.
Their snail mail spam of a few hundred pieces isn't that much different then his billions of pieces of email spam.
The only apparent difference is that he can't understand what he is doing is wrong when he does it. Although he realizes it is wrong when it happens to him.
This is different, this is being done for revenge. He spams because he has useful information to get out, plus it's so easy to just delete an email, it's a lot more work to sort through physical mail and throw it out.
That being said, I don't see how his lawsuit will go as far as the anti spam lawsuits.
Yes, he "purposefully" planted what he knew to be seeds accidentally bread with monsanto genes.
The arguement is that they weren't accidentally bred, and he used the particular characteristics of the genetic modification to his benefits (special pesticides).
I think his defense would have been much stronger if he grew the canola as normal canola, and didn't take advantage of the GM properties.
State is a legitimate english term for a sovereign nation. Although in North American it is generally a reference to a US state as opposed to its actual meaning.
Stupid people are funny, and funnier when they try to prove they aren't stupid.
Actually I was watching MIB 2, and they remarked how in MIB, Tommy Lee Jones didn't know he was funny throughout the taping of the movie. I for one found him to be the funnier half of the team.
This is the way the free market/software system works, there will always be dead/dying projects. The time to allocate to such projects is a valuable resource, obviously people have chosen to invest it in something else.
If someone found it important enough, they would find the time themselves, or come up with money to hire someone else to do it.
Your appliances might be on the Net, but they will only be accessible to you. Your refrigerator will notify you by email or equivalent when it needs service, not the manufacturer. People don't want their appliances talking to strangers. The owners will want to be in charge.
I don't think so, most people don't care, they just want stuff to work. I think most people would be glad to get a phone call asking to come repair stuff for me so I don't have to think about it.
Look at water treatment (softeners, deliverty), this is a product that is starting to have homeowners choose a maintenance contract. If you don't think that is trivial enough, many companies hire coffee services to make sure they have enough coffee cream and sugar around.
The average person doesn't care about the privacy implications of everyone knowing you have a dirty lint filter in your dryer.
As long as MS keeps insisting that these gaping security holes are a required feature, it is their fault.
They made a mechanism for running arbitrary code on my computer, and apparently didn't take any reasonable means to ensure the security of that mechanism, it is their fault, they should fix it.
But you didn't intend to violate their copyright. You didn't know you were violating their copyright.
I think this would be similar to purchasing stolen items. You don't get to keep them, but if you really didn't know it was stolen, you likely won't be punished, beyond losing the items that didn't belong to you, either.
If it turns out that they didn't have copyright to all the code that they promissed to GPL, that settlement is invalid. You have a great case for taking them back to court.
Good point. The person who gave that code to you, who said they owned it is in trouble, they gave you code they didn't own. But just because they screwed up, doesn't mean you're off the hook.
If you don't know for sure that you can distribute this code, don't. They notified you of the problem, you should not ignore it. Otherwise you lose the "I didn't know" defense.
Not true. They can pull the code instead of releasing it under the GPL. They own the copyright, and they decide which license it is distributed under. If this not a GPL compatible license then it will have to be removed.
I don't think so, they already distributed it, they either comply with the GPL, or they have violated the authors copyright.
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It looks like these people are signing agreements they didn't read or understand.
They have a few options that I can see.
Terminate the agreement.
Bill for the bandwidth, or sue for damages.
Various technical measures (which are prohibited by the agreement)
Point out to your contacts at Amazon that this is pointless and dumb in such a manner they actually listen.
Make a mini site for the amazon site/bot, but the rest of your website in a second location (that they don't have access too)
Why deal with a company like this anyway, they're obviously inconsiderate pricks (at least) move on with your life.
So you are perfectly willing to blindly give access to anyone wandering by.
Then when you get shut down for initiating a DOS attack, or spamming or whatever you'll probaly claim "but it wasn't me, I didn't know".
It is your connection, it is your responsiblity.
If people can't play nicely and take responsiblity themselves the government HAS to regulate it.
Some spammers actually believe that defense.
Others know they are assholes.
You're right though neither one really cares as long as they are making money.
Sorry, I should have identified that the middle section is a spammers "defense" of their actions.
I still don't see legal aciton going anywhere.
Taking out the trash has to be the single most troublesome bit of work in my house.
The point is they want to demonstrate their complaint to this person. Reasonable explanations haven't worked. So they are giving a more practical demonstration.
Their snail mail spam of a few hundred pieces isn't that much different then his billions of pieces of email spam.
The only apparent difference is that he can't understand what he is doing is wrong when he does it. Although he realizes it is wrong when it happens to him.
You see, he won't get the point.
This is different, this is being done for revenge. He spams because he has useful information to get out, plus it's so easy to just delete an email, it's a lot more work to sort through physical mail and throw it out.
That being said, I don't see how his lawsuit will go as far as the anti spam lawsuits.
But that didn't work out well did it.
The constant State/Federal fights. The fact Federal authorities can attack citizens who are doign things explicitly permitted by state laws.
Glad I'm not in the US.
Sorry Tommy is the funny one.
You watch something like Space Cowboys and you can see how your "straight man" can be funny, just by doing normal stuff.
The comedic lunatic is only somewhat funny, the laughtrack is there to tell you when it is.
This is when sitcoms died, when they though the comedian was the important part, rather then the proper delivery of a good joke.
Yes, he "purposefully" planted what he knew to be seeds accidentally bread with monsanto genes.
The arguement is that they weren't accidentally bred, and he used the particular characteristics of the genetic modification to his benefits (special pesticides).
I think his defense would have been much stronger if he grew the canola as normal canola, and didn't take advantage of the GM properties.
For fucks sake calm down.
State is a legitimate english term for a sovereign nation. Although in North American it is generally a reference to a US state as opposed to its actual meaning.
Stupid people.
Stupid people are funny, and funnier when they try to prove they aren't stupid.
Actually I was watching MIB 2, and they remarked how in MIB, Tommy Lee Jones didn't know he was funny throughout the taping of the movie. I for one found him to be the funnier half of the team.
This is the way the free market/software system works, there will always be dead/dying projects. The time to allocate to such projects is a valuable resource, obviously people have chosen to invest it in something else.
If someone found it important enough, they would find the time themselves, or come up with money to hire someone else to do it.
You can't simply add the MTBF together
depending on the system it would be similar to the form
(1/Msys)^exp = (1/Ma)^exp+(1/Mb)^exp
Msys being system MTBF
Ma being for element a
Mb for element b.
Failure mode and distribution affects the exponent.
And this is only approximate, and loaded with assumptions.
Make a FAQ, I'd like to see the answer you give them.
Your appliances might be on the Net, but they will only be accessible to you. Your refrigerator will notify you by email or equivalent when it needs service, not the manufacturer. People don't want their appliances talking to strangers. The owners will want to be in charge.
I don't think so, most people don't care, they just want stuff to work.
I think most people would be glad to get a phone call asking to come repair stuff for me so I don't have to think about it.
Look at water treatment (softeners, deliverty), this is a product that is starting to have homeowners choose a maintenance contract.
If you don't think that is trivial enough, many companies hire coffee services to make sure they have enough coffee cream and sugar around.
The average person doesn't care about the privacy implications of everyone knowing you have a dirty lint filter in your dryer.
I shopped around for a while and settled for one that would be free after rebate. I had it for a few days, and returned it for a more expensive one.
Why didn't you just shop around a bit longer and make sure it would suit your needs?
Is this security hole a feature or a bug.
As long as MS keeps insisting that these gaping security holes are a required feature, it is their fault.
They made a mechanism for running arbitrary code on my computer, and apparently didn't take any reasonable means to ensure the security of that mechanism, it is their fault, they should fix it.
Yes I'd be pissed off, and I would be mad that they posted an exploit.
However I'd also be quite upset at my vendor for letting this happen.
Wow, there is someone who really liked it.
I agree there were some funny scenes in it (like the one you mentioned.)
Whether you thought the movie was good or not, I still think it would be interested to know what he was thinking.
What made him want to play a character like that, particularly one that is so unlike his public image.
But you didn't intend to violate their copyright. You didn't know you were violating their copyright.
I think this would be similar to purchasing stolen items. You don't get to keep them, but if you really didn't know it was stolen, you likely won't be punished, beyond losing the items that didn't belong to you, either.
If it turns out that they didn't have copyright to all the code that they promissed to GPL, that settlement is invalid. You have a great case for taking them back to court.
Good point. The person who gave that code to you, who said they owned it is in trouble, they gave you code they didn't own. But just because they screwed up, doesn't mean you're off the hook.
If you don't know for sure that you can distribute this code, don't. They notified you of the problem, you should not ignore it. Otherwise you lose the "I didn't know" defense.
Not true. They can pull the code instead of releasing it under the GPL. They own the copyright, and they decide which license it is distributed under. If this not a GPL compatible license then it will have to be removed.
I don't think so, they already distributed it, they either comply with the GPL, or they have violated the authors copyright.
What were you thinking?
I don't really mind this, companies should be able to charge any fee they want, for any reason they want.
There is currently a controversy on "white label" bank machines that charge $1-4 to get your money out of your account.
I think this is fine, as long as it is clear what you will actually pay. If the company is misleading about the price that is wrong.
Anybody notice pricewatch has the cost AND the shipping cost? This way you compare the total actual cost.