great, thanks for posting homophobic, hate crap that passes for "music" nowadays. nevermind Moby hasn't made a techno CD in 7 years or so.
How acceptable would this be if Moby were black and Enimem had called him a "nigger" ? Oh yeah, that's right, they'd label it as it should be called - racist hate enducing crap that shouldn't be sold in stores.
i did an even simpler test. I searched for "monkeys" - google returned interesting results all from different websites in the first 10 results. AllTheWeb returned 10 pages, SIX of which were all on the same domain, shacknews.com, and all of them had NOTHING to do with monkeys!
This search engine can't even find monkeys, then forget about it.
i currently have an ATI Radeon VE card. Shortly after it came out, it was discontinued. It took them very long to fix some of the major problems that I've had with their drivers (mainly the dual monitor support), and to this day I continue to experience bugs taht I know they'll never fix.
I'd never go ATI again, nor would I ever touch Matrox again either. It's the same story for Matrox, btw.
and how sir are you going to DISTRIBUTE the one time pads? Encrypt them with something else and then send them? Lemme guess, you'd encrypt them with ROT12 instead of ROT13. and how would you tell the person that you've encrypted them with that? You'd probably say "I've encrypted with this ROT13............. (-1 !! - please don't look at this bad guys!) "
you have no idea what a one time pad is, how it works, and the major problems associated with it. it's no wonder it's not in PGP because implementing it securily and efficiently would be next to impossible.
For instance, I'm not sure I could bake bread very well, do I lash out at bakers?
I don't know, do you?
It's a normal survival instinct to fear/hate/fight what is alien.
a survival instinct? I could see how it might be normal to fear spiders or tigers or bears, but your average homosexual is not exactly life threatening. Humans are sentient animals and must use not just their emotions, but their thoughts, to see realize whether their fears are grounded in survival instincts, or for other reasons. People of different races/skin color might seem alien, is it normal to feat/hate/fight them? No, it's racist.
I feel absolutely no sexual attraction to any man.
It's interesting how often this pops up when conversing with someone about this, specifically with someone who is homophobic. They make it a point to point out that they are not attracted to men. Who are you trying to prove this to? Me? Or yourself? Did I ask?
I thought the theory was bullshit myself. Turns out my own life is a perfect example of the theory, though. In fact ask a bunch of gay men, and you'll see a lot of them initially "coped" with being gay by forcefully denying it, and by acting out against others. "The best defence is a good offence" does apply, I'm living proof.
I do wonder where you get your "average heterosexual man is sure of his own heterosexuality." Ever hear of Kinsley? His studies indicate that this ISN'T the case, that most people could be categorizied as bisexual, but with a heavier tendency towards one particular sex.
Your last paragraph is interesting and shows that you aren't the typical gay-basher. But I want you to realize one thing - my orientation isn't a "sexual habit". It's not something I saw in a magazine and thought I would do for fun in my spare time. It is something I fought with for many years. It is something I hid from myself, and from others. It is something that led me to contemplate suicide (although obviously I chose to not take that path, thankfully). It is something that made me very unhappy for the most part of my life, until I chose to accept who I am, and that I couldn't change that for the rest of the world. It is part of me, and one others go out of their way to bash homosexuality, they are bashing me.
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okay, first off i think a lot of people mis-read my post.. this is evidenced by your post and the others. And I agree with you guys, but only if you didn't read the post that I was actually responding to, which was about HAVING SEX WITH CHILDREN. Not exposing children to sex, but actually doing it WITH them. That is what I have an objection to.
People, please read all the posts not just the ones that are modded up.
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mod that guy up..
i hope you realize though i was talking about something else (see the parent post to which i was actually responding) and not about exposing children to homosexuality (any more so than they are overexposed to heterosexuality right now).
hell, if i had known about gays like Turing, life would probably have been much simpler for me. If I had known that
Turing Nash (although he denies it, he's obviously at least bi ) Newton Tchaikovsky good grief, if anyone can think of anymore, please follow-up to this?
were all gay, I probably would not have had such a major problem accepting my sexuality for such a long time. Gay teens have it incredibly tough (their suicide rate is 4 times higher than straight teens) and having gay role models like those above is definately necessary. So when Hollywood goes out of its way to take away those roll models, they are doing everyone a disservice.
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But that's not to say that a 14 year old can't be that responsible or carry adult status, while a 22 year old might still be immature and irresponsible
while that may be true, i think it's safe to say the vast majority of children have not yet developed both mentally and physically enought to be ready for sexual encounters. And by sexual encounters I don't mean being taught about sexuality in school, I mean actual physical encounters. "majority rules" is appropriate in this case - the simple fact is that most children are not ready for sex, they can't make the decision for themselves, so it should not be permitted.
Society is protecting the children in this case, and although in some cases the children don't need protecting, in most cases they do.
p.s. all this is coming from a queer. (that oughta keep the moderators at bay.:P )
I stand corrected:) See, it's important to know your history, and when a film comes out and takes giant leeway with the actual truth, then history becomes distorted.
Thanks again:)
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kids shouldn't be exposed to that. sex is a highly involved activity, both mentally and physically, which children are not ready for. just like doing drugs, driving a car, fighting wars, etc etc. children should live in a world of bliss where they can be shielded from all that grown up stuff, where they can enjoy life without all the pains and turmoil that adults have to endure.
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The fact is that maybe if people knew that gays contribute to society like everyone else, then people hopefully wouldn't be so uptight about them. I'd love it if everyone was treated the same way, but take a look at the posts and you'll see a lot of hatred towards gays, and that's why we make a big stink when one of our own is dismissed simply because of his sexual orientation.
well, maybe if you knew a little about the man, you'd see that without him the story would have been pretty different - eg, the war would probably have gone on a lot longer, and who knows if we would have won?
it's like looking at the million man marche, sheesh why do they always have to bring up that martin luther king guy? Weren't tehre like a million other people? MAybe, but he played a key role, dontcha think?
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um, maybe you should do some research before you say stuff. the majority of pedos are STRAIGHT men. I for one find "kid rape" highly disgusting, and support severe laws to ensure that anyone who abuses a child sexually gets the maximum jail time.
for the record: "You can't let gays near children; since they can't reproduce, they recruit. And they are all pedophiles.
Statistics show that the vast majority of sexual abuse is committed by men against women, usually within the heterosexual family structure. Pedophiles are criminals who derive illicit pleasure from sexual abuse of children, and whose adult sexual attractions are almost always to members of the opposite sex. Most sexual abuse of children occurs at the hands of parents or relatives. Lies perpetuate stereotypes that are then used to deny gay people our rights. It is wrong to deny rights based on these myths. " From http://www.ifas.org/fw/9408/rhetoric.html (emphas is mine)
and another thing: gays do not recruit. The only people who forced me to go against my sexual orientation were straight people, who actively bash gays.
There will always be offensive people, but it remains *your* choice whether to take offense, or to simply ignore the comment. That choice is the difference between lot of unecessary distress, and a bit of serenity.
Ignoring the fact that someone is hurting you is just as bad as ignoring the fact that you're hurting someone else. Fine, don't love gays. Not all gays love heteros. But why needlessly hurt someone when you can avoid it simply by using more appropriate words? Why?
This guy sounds just like me a few years ago. It's obvious he's rejecting his own emotions, cuz he hates/fears gays. I know where he's coming from. I was brought up by my 2 hetero parents taught that gays were bad. That I shouldn't use public bathrooms, because a gay guy might molest me. In elementary school, my friends hated gays with a passion. One was a jehovah's witness, and we all know how much they hate gays. More and more, I was taught that fags choose to be fags, and they are horrible for it. I didn't know how such a basic biological function as sexuality could be a choice anymore than your natural hair color, but I believed them. I wanted to believe them, and perhaps my feelings would go away, replaced by the normal, heterosexual ones everyone else seemed to have chosen.
I can remember my first crush on another boy, back in grade school. This was when I was what, less than 8 years old. When did I make the choice that I found guys attractive, and women not? Perhaps while we were playing bingo in class? *sarcasm off*.
It took me a long time to realize that there's no point in making myself unhappy by denying who and what I am. We live one life, and be it God or nature or whatever that made us, we are who we are and as long as we aren't hurting others, we should be happy with that. Sure, you can dye your hair and pretend your a blond when you're really a brunette. But your true hair color will come out, just as with your true sexuality. For some, this is too much and they kill themselves, not being able to cope with their true emotions. Others pretend they can ignore their base sexual instincts, and make up excuses to dissuade them from getting in touch with their inner selves.
Yes, some gays like to eat poo. But so do some heteros, and since heteros outnumber gays by a factor of 10, more heteros eat poo than gays do. (I for one don't know any gay guys who are in the least interested in poo eating, nor do I know any heteros who are into that, either). Another fact to counter some myths - most pedoephiles are heterosexual men. If you've ever read Dan Savage's column, you'll see quite a few heteros have some pretty disgusting fetishes, but you know what? I don't care. It's none of my business what other people like or do in the privacy of their own bedrooms, as long as no one is getting hurt. What business is it of yours what others do in their own bedrooms?
You don't like it because it's something you want to do, you're jealous that these people are letting themselves live their lives as nature intended, they've accepted their sexual orientation and they realize even though they'll never breed and have a baby, they can still have loving, lasting relationships.
This could go on for ages, I could talk about hetero couples who are infertile for whatever reason (should they be treated with the same disdane as gays?) but I don't have the time nor the inclination.
The only thing I suggest is that you sit down, and think to yourself. "Do I want to be happy? Does this mean getting over my fear and hatred, and realizing that if I am gay, I am not going to turn into some poo eating slut, the stereotypes are just that and there are many happy, healthy homosexuals out there. Denying my true self will only lead to a self-destructive path where I pretend to be someone else, and ignore the way nature made me. Because I never chose to have these feelings towards (the same sex). But I have them, and is it really worth living my life in denial?"
It is not easy, and I know what you're going through. Your best bet is to find someone who you can talk with, who can guide you out of the shadows and show you that not all gays are shit eating perverts that everyone has made gays out to be.
unnatural, huh? so you suppose gay people CHOOSE to be gay? Why the hell would anyone choose to be gay? when did you CHOOSE to be straight? Sexuality isn't something you choose. Homosexuality happens in other animals as well, from aligators to penguins. Perhaps they chose to be gay as well, cuz it's the "in" thing to do??
lemme ask you this. if one of your kids turned out to be gay, what would you do? If you think you can control their sexuality, or "protect" them, you're wrong. Are you going to be disgusted at your own child?
As for your eating shit comment, I have no idea where you get this idea that gays eat shit, any more so than heteros do.
it's only associated like that because people are bigots and view homosexuals as lame and or stupid. as a friend of mine pointed out the other day, saying something is gay is the same as taking any other minority and applying it to some crap.. "man those cars are built by (n-word), they suck", or "microsoft is a bunch jews". calling microsoft gay demeans the gay community, irregardless of "gay" having different meanings in the past. The fact is, no one says that they're "gay" anymore when they mean "happy", gay means homosexual and every other meaning has faded away.
BTW for all of you reading this thinking just how much you hate gays, "the best defence is a good offence" applies. You don't like others because you don't like yourself. Deal with your sexuality first before hassling others about theirs.
hear hear. Just like Matrox, I thought they had some inovative technology that other companies weren't really interested in (the Rainbow Runner G, Dualhead, etc. for example). But the simple fact remains that just like Matrox, ATI has awful customer support, and terrible drivers. Then, once you figure "okay, this technology has had time to mature, i can expect some solid drivers", tada, they discontinue the product.
So what do you do? Get a video card that has all these snazzy new features, but you bring it home and the drivers don't even suppor it yet? (my Ati Radeon VE refused to do both monitors at acceptable resolutions, and it took them a long time to even acknowledge the issue). I've figured I'll go with a company that at least appears to support their cards properly, Nvidia. I'm looking forward to my next upgrade.
this is ofcourse because the CCPE (Canadian Council of Professional Engineers) hold a trademark on the word Engineer.
It's incredibly sad how few people respect an Engineer, especially in the computer systems field. As an Engineering student whose sat through the professional practice courses, I always point out the misuse of the word Engineer, particularly in the case of so called "Software Engineers" who graduated from community college with a diploma in Visual Basic programming.
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great, thanks for posting homophobic, hate crap that passes for "music" nowadays. nevermind Moby hasn't made a techno CD in 7 years or so.
How acceptable would this be if Moby were black and Enimem had called him a "nigger" ? Oh yeah, that's right, they'd label it as it should be called - racist hate enducing crap that shouldn't be sold in stores.
sigh.
how did this get modded to interesting..
engineers new artists on teh block? what? that doesn't make any sense. moderators, think before you push. you are more than a trained monkey, yes?
now here's your kibble.
it's != its
so, thank you for contributing to stupidity at its finest.
hum, seing how the nazis killed about 12,500 homosexuals i think their relationship was quite clear.
(this isn't a troll, just putting out a fact there that some people might not have known.)
i did an even simpler test. I searched for "monkeys" - google returned interesting results all from different websites in the first 10 results. AllTheWeb returned 10 pages, SIX of which were all on the same domain, shacknews.com, and all of them had NOTHING to do with monkeys!
This search engine can't even find monkeys, then forget about it.
that's not ironic, it's coincidental.
irony is like when it rains on your wedding day.
no wait, that's just a sign that you're going to be a terrible singer with a horrible voice.
i currently have an ATI Radeon VE card. Shortly after it came out, it was discontinued. It took them very long to fix some of the major problems that I've had with their drivers (mainly the dual monitor support), and to this day I continue to experience bugs taht I know they'll never fix.
I'd never go ATI again, nor would I ever touch Matrox again either. It's the same story for Matrox, btw.
and how sir are you going to DISTRIBUTE the one time pads? Encrypt them with something else and then send them? Lemme guess, you'd encrypt them with ROT12 instead of ROT13. and how would you tell the person that you've encrypted them with that? You'd probably say "I've encrypted with this ROT13............. (-1 !! - please don't look at this bad guys!) "
you have no idea what a one time pad is, how it works, and the major problems associated with it. it's no wonder it's not in PGP because implementing it securily and efficiently would be next to impossible.
you're complaining that PGP doesn't implement one time pads. This is all one needs to see that you're completely full of crap.
For instance, I'm not sure I could bake bread very well, do I lash out at bakers?
I don't know, do you?
It's a normal survival instinct to fear/hate/fight what is alien.
a survival instinct? I could see how it might be normal to fear spiders or tigers or bears, but your average homosexual is not exactly life threatening. Humans are sentient animals and must use not just their emotions, but their thoughts, to see realize whether their fears are grounded in survival instincts, or for other reasons. People of different races/skin color might seem alien, is it normal to feat/hate/fight them? No, it's racist.
I feel absolutely no sexual attraction to any man.
It's interesting how often this pops up when conversing with someone about this, specifically with someone who is homophobic. They make it a point to point out that they are not attracted to men. Who are you trying to prove this to? Me? Or yourself? Did I ask?
I thought the theory was bullshit myself. Turns out my own life is a perfect example of the theory, though. In fact ask a bunch of gay men, and you'll see a lot of them initially "coped" with being gay by forcefully denying it, and by acting out against others. "The best defence is a good offence" does apply, I'm living proof.
I do wonder where you get your "average heterosexual man is sure of his own heterosexuality." Ever hear of Kinsley? His studies indicate that this ISN'T the case, that most people could be categorizied as bisexual, but with a heavier tendency towards one particular sex.
Your last paragraph is interesting and shows that you aren't the typical gay-basher. But I want you to realize one thing - my orientation isn't a "sexual habit". It's not something I saw in a magazine and thought I would do for fun in my spare time. It is something I fought with for many years. It is something I hid from myself, and from others. It is something that led me to contemplate suicide (although obviously I chose to not take that path, thankfully). It is something that made me very unhappy for the most part of my life, until I chose to accept who I am, and that I couldn't change that for the rest of the world. It is part of me, and one others go out of their way to bash homosexuality, they are bashing me.
okay, first off i think a lot of people mis-read my post.. this is evidenced by your post and the others. And I agree with you guys, but only if you didn't read the post that I was actually responding to, which was about HAVING SEX WITH CHILDREN. Not exposing children to sex, but actually doing it WITH them. That is what I have an objection to.
People, please read all the posts not just the ones that are modded up.
mod that guy up..
i hope you realize though i was talking about something else (see the parent post to which i was actually responding) and not about exposing children to homosexuality (any more so than they are overexposed to heterosexuality right now).
hell, if i had known about gays like Turing, life would probably have been much simpler for me. If I had known that
Turing
Nash (although he denies it, he's obviously at least bi )
Newton
Tchaikovsky
good grief, if anyone can think of anymore, please follow-up to this?
were all gay, I probably would not have had such a major problem accepting my sexuality for such a long time. Gay teens have it incredibly tough (their suicide rate is 4 times higher than straight teens) and having gay role models like those above is definately necessary. So when Hollywood goes out of its way to take away those roll models, they are doing everyone a disservice.
But that's not to say that a 14 year old can't be that responsible or carry adult status, while a 22 year old might still be immature and irresponsible
:P )
while that may be true, i think it's safe to say the vast majority of children have not yet developed both mentally and physically enought to be ready for sexual encounters. And by sexual encounters I don't mean being taught about sexuality in school, I mean actual physical encounters. "majority rules" is appropriate in this case - the simple fact is that most children are not ready for sex, they can't make the decision for themselves, so it should not be permitted.
Society is protecting the children in this case, and although in some cases the children don't need protecting, in most cases they do.
p.s. all this is coming from a queer. (that oughta keep the moderators at bay.
I stand corrected :) See, it's important to know your history, and when a film comes out and takes giant leeway with the actual truth, then history becomes distorted.
:)
Thanks again
kids shouldn't be exposed to that. sex is a highly involved activity, both mentally and physically, which children are not ready for. just like doing drugs, driving a car, fighting wars, etc etc. children should live in a world of bliss where they can be shielded from all that grown up stuff, where they can enjoy life without all the pains and turmoil that adults have to endure.
The fact is that maybe if people knew that gays contribute to society like everyone else, then people hopefully wouldn't be so uptight about them. I'd love it if everyone was treated the same way, but take a look at the posts and you'll see a lot of hatred towards gays, and that's why we make a big stink when one of our own is dismissed simply because of his sexual orientation.
well, maybe if you knew a little about the man, you'd see that without him the story would have been pretty different - eg, the war would probably have gone on a lot longer, and who knows if we would have won?
it's like looking at the million man marche, sheesh why do they always have to bring up that martin luther king guy? Weren't tehre like a million other people? MAybe, but he played a key role, dontcha think?
um, maybe you should do some research before you say stuff. the majority of pedos are STRAIGHT men. I for one find "kid rape" highly disgusting, and support severe laws to ensure that anyone who abuses a child sexually gets the maximum jail time.
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for the record:
"You can't let gays near children; since they can't reproduce, they recruit. And they are all pedophiles.
Statistics show that the vast majority of sexual abuse is committed by men against women, usually within the heterosexual family structure. Pedophiles are criminals who derive illicit pleasure from sexual abuse of children, and whose adult sexual attractions are almost always to members of the opposite sex. Most sexual abuse of children occurs at the hands of parents or relatives. Lies perpetuate stereotypes that are then used to deny gay people our rights. It is wrong to deny rights based on these myths. "
From http://www.ifas.org/fw/9408/rhetoric.html
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and another thing: gays do not recruit. The only people who forced me to go against my sexual orientation were straight people, who actively bash gays.
There will always be offensive people, but it remains *your* choice whether to take offense, or to simply ignore the comment. That choice is the difference between lot of unecessary distress, and a bit of serenity.
Ignoring the fact that someone is hurting you is just as bad as ignoring the fact that you're hurting someone else. Fine, don't love gays. Not all gays love heteros. But why needlessly hurt someone when you can avoid it simply by using more appropriate words? Why?
This guy sounds just like me a few years ago. It's obvious he's rejecting his own emotions, cuz he hates/fears gays. I know where he's coming from. I was brought up by my 2 hetero parents taught that gays were bad. That I shouldn't use public bathrooms, because a gay guy might molest me. In elementary school, my friends hated gays with a passion. One was a jehovah's witness, and we all know how much they hate gays. More and more, I was taught that fags choose to be fags, and they are horrible for it. I didn't know how such a basic biological function as sexuality could be a choice anymore than your natural hair color, but I believed them. I wanted to believe them, and perhaps my feelings would go away, replaced by the normal, heterosexual ones everyone else seemed to have chosen.
I can remember my first crush on another boy, back in grade school. This was when I was what, less than 8 years old. When did I make the choice that I found guys attractive, and women not? Perhaps while we were playing bingo in class? *sarcasm off*.
It took me a long time to realize that there's no point in making myself unhappy by denying who and what I am. We live one life, and be it God or nature or whatever that made us, we are who we are and as long as we aren't hurting others, we should be happy with that. Sure, you can dye your hair and pretend your a blond when you're really a brunette. But your true hair color will come out, just as with your true sexuality. For some, this is too much and they kill themselves, not being able to cope with their true emotions. Others pretend they can ignore their base sexual instincts, and make up excuses to dissuade them from getting in touch with their inner selves.
Yes, some gays like to eat poo. But so do some heteros, and since heteros outnumber gays by a factor of 10, more heteros eat poo than gays do. (I for one don't know any gay guys who are in the least interested in poo eating, nor do I know any heteros who are into that, either). Another fact to counter some myths - most pedoephiles are heterosexual men. If you've ever read Dan Savage's column, you'll see quite a few heteros have some pretty disgusting fetishes, but you know what? I don't care. It's none of my business what other people like or do in the privacy of their own bedrooms, as long as no one is getting hurt. What business is it of yours what others do in their own bedrooms?
You don't like it because it's something you want to do, you're jealous that these people are letting themselves live their lives as nature intended, they've accepted their sexual orientation and they realize even though they'll never breed and have a baby, they can still have loving, lasting relationships.
This could go on for ages, I could talk about hetero couples who are infertile for whatever reason (should they be treated with the same disdane as gays?) but I don't have the time nor the inclination.
The only thing I suggest is that you sit down, and think to yourself. "Do I want to be happy? Does this mean getting over my fear and hatred, and realizing that if I am gay, I am not going to turn into some poo eating slut, the stereotypes are just that and there are many happy, healthy homosexuals out there. Denying my true self will only lead to a self-destructive path where I pretend to be someone else, and ignore the way nature made me. Because I never chose to have these feelings towards (the same sex). But I have them, and is it really worth living my life in denial?"
It is not easy, and I know what you're going through. Your best bet is to find someone who you can talk with, who can guide you out of the shadows and show you that not all gays are shit eating perverts that everyone has made gays out to be.
Good luck.
how bout -5, homophobic and ignorant.
nice how you guys are posting as AC's, whats the matter, don't want everyone to know yer full of hate and fear?
unnatural, huh? so you suppose gay people CHOOSE to be gay? Why the hell would anyone choose to be gay? when did you CHOOSE to be straight? Sexuality isn't something you choose. Homosexuality happens in other animals as well, from aligators to penguins. Perhaps they chose to be gay as well, cuz it's the "in" thing to do??
lemme ask you this. if one of your kids turned out to be gay, what would you do? If you think you can control their sexuality, or "protect" them, you're wrong. Are you going to be disgusted at your own child?
As for your eating shit comment, I have no idea where you get this idea that gays eat shit, any more so than heteros do.
it's only associated like that because people are bigots and view homosexuals as lame and or stupid. as a friend of mine pointed out the other day, saying something is gay is the same as taking any other minority and applying it to some crap.. "man those cars are built by (n-word), they suck", or "microsoft is a bunch jews". calling microsoft gay demeans the gay community, irregardless of "gay" having different meanings in the past. The fact is, no one says that they're "gay" anymore when they mean "happy", gay means homosexual and every other meaning has faded away.
BTW for all of you reading this thinking just how much you hate gays, "the best defence is a good offence" applies. You don't like others because you don't like yourself. Deal with your sexuality first before hassling others about theirs.
hear hear. Just like Matrox, I thought they had some inovative technology that other companies weren't really interested in (the Rainbow Runner G, Dualhead, etc. for example). But the simple fact remains that just like Matrox, ATI has awful customer support, and terrible drivers. Then, once you figure "okay, this technology has had time to mature, i can expect some solid drivers", tada, they discontinue the product.
So what do you do? Get a video card that has all these snazzy new features, but you bring it home and the drivers don't even suppor it yet? (my Ati Radeon VE refused to do both monitors at acceptable resolutions, and it took them a long time to even acknowledge the issue). I've figured I'll go with a company that at least appears to support their cards properly, Nvidia. I'm looking forward to my next upgrade.
this is ofcourse because the CCPE (Canadian Council of Professional Engineers) hold a trademark on the word Engineer.
It's incredibly sad how few people respect an Engineer, especially in the computer systems field. As an Engineering student whose sat through the professional practice courses, I always point out the misuse of the word Engineer, particularly in the case of so called "Software Engineers" who graduated from community college with a diploma in Visual Basic programming.
*sigh*