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Enigma
Ooops. Wrong generation and wrong spin. "Enigma" is about good codebreakers -- the mathematicians and clerks of Great Britain's Bletchley Park who helped the Allied cause during World War II by breaking the German coding machine known as "Enigma." It's a wonderful story that's been told as non-fiction several times before by serious historians. This time around, the former newspaper columnist Robert Harris created a thinly fictionalized novel filled with composite characters based on reality. While the result is not factually perfect, it is close enough to capture the dangerous era. Abandoning the literal truth also allowed him to build a richly plotted yarn that evolves cleanly and smoothly.
The film closely follows the novel, although it does eliminate a few of the more subtle complexities. It was wildly popular in Britain when it was released there last year, probably because the story is told with gorgeously detailed sets dressed with nostalgia for a time of British patriotism and success. The film's costumes are lavish, the extras are everywhere, and the look is close enough to reality that the best complaint one ex-translator stationed at Bletchley Park could offer was that the canteen in the film was much nicer. Even Mick Jagger, one of the film's producer, couldn't resist the spirit and gave himself a cameo appearance as an officer relaxing in a club.
This film could represent the cultural high point for codeslinging nerds and other Slashdot types. Jagger produced this film with another cultural icon, Saturday Night Live's Lorne Michaels. If you secretly spend your days dreaming of strutting around the stage like Mick Jagger, you can now take some pride in the fact that Mick Jagger spent at least a few days dreaming of playing a code geek. And why not? According to one of the characters, the women go weak in the knees when they get to talk to codebreakers like the protagonist, Tom Jericho (Dougray Scott).
This movie is about sex and mathematics and the crucial satisfaction that comes from understanding the depth of their power. The two main threads of the film track Tom Jericho's search for 1) a missing lover (Saffron Burroughs) and 2) a new way to break the Germans' four rotor, Naval Enigma system known as Shark. His lover may have been mixed up in Germany's sudden decision to abandon the old codes and all of this must be untangled or else the war could be lost. Tom Stoppard, the screenwriter also responsible for Shakespeare In Love, weaves these two threads together with car chases, kissing, train whistles, moonlit nights, illicit file swapping and a few other romantic chords.
It seems like a lot of things happen in four days, but we must remember that this plays out in an era when people weren't couch potatoes taught that ignoring advertising is forbidden. The pacing is the biggest problem with the film because there's too much action packed into 117 minutes, leaving some transitions a bit confusing. The jumps are often too quick and in some places it's hard to know when the flashbacks begin and end.
Despite that, there's much for a geek to love in this movie. Both the Enigma machine and the cryptanalytic attack developed by the British are described in fairly good detail. We learn, perhaps too quickly, that much of the game is finding a crib, a term the codebreakers used to refer to a word or phrase that must be somewhere in the scrambled message. A weather broadcast, for instance, would include the word "rainy" on a wet day and the codebreakers would examine the possible combinations that might produce that word. That was one weakness the folks at Bletchley Park were able to exploit before Jericho's girlfriend disappeared.
Some of the other mathematical details are accurate but not explained in enough detail to be easily understood. Once the crib was identified, the codebreakers relied heavily on the fact that the Enigma machine could not encode one letter into itself. This weakness allowed them to eliminate many of the potential cribs quickly. Then they spent their time looking for potential "loops" in the coding. In a simple case, a loop is formed when the letter A is encoded as an R and a few letters later, an R is encoded as an A. Most of the loops are a chain of several letters strung out in an odd combination. This pencil-and-paper work by the codebreaker is turned over to a big machine that uses the loops to eliminate many of the potential positions of the rotors. The rest are tested quickly with plenty of whirring and clicking. On a good day, and there were many of them, the right settings for the rotors popped out and let the Allies read the encrypted traffic.
You get to see all of this in action, although the film does not describe much of it in the hopes of sparing those unanointed with the knee-weakening, code smashing gene. It's not really fair for me to concentrate on the machines and ignore the actors because most of the movie revolves around the emotional battles for the characters and their conflicting desires. These passions are well-constructed and intelligently arranged. Dougray Scott plays the mathematician with enough dash and sophistication while Kate Winslet fills out the role of the mousey clerk and co-conspirator. The real star is Jeremy Northam, who plays a sophisticated Foreign Office spy with the right amount of oily charm. He, like everyone else in this movie, is fighting a private little war which may or may not fit in with the larger battle between the Allied and Axis forces.
Some of these battles are so crucial to the plot that it's impossible to comment on them without spoiling the ending. For this reason, I'm including several links for you to click after seeing the movie ( first, second, and third.) as well as a sentence encrypted with an Enigma simulator:
FBZ DDE NZA DJN PNI POH YBF NJR QFP DDZ TVP IHN YSJ IXX UAH YXF BZT ZXW BXS GES GYD IFO VXQ KHU LMA SYX YEG MGK
Using Enigma as a digital rights management device is not new-- Harris includes an encrypted dedication in the novel-- but it raises an interesting question: Is the movie and its detailed description of breaking the Enigma in violation of the DMCA? Is the extra detail in the movie just a cookbook for those who want to pirate the sentence I encrypted above? If so, should I be able to shut it down? While some reviewers may dream of writing something so powerful that it closes a movie immediately, I would hate to do it to this one. It's a pretty, nostalgic thriller that makes a good date movie--especially if you happen to be a knee-weakening, codebreaking type.
Peter Wayner's latest books are Disappearing Cryptography, an exploration about how to disguise information and Translucent Databases, a practical description of how to use encryption algorithms to protect sensitive information like credit cards and medical records. If they ever get made into a movie, he wants to be played by Keanu Reeves -- the one who played Ted "Theodore" Logan, not the one who played Neo.
Just had to throw that in there.
Timothy, you had me there for a second, I was about ready to march down the the MPAA and kick there Arses for making such a wicked movie.
almost as bad as puting Linus's last name on a computer criminal in swordfish.
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
... is, of course, Stephenson's much-loved Cryptonomicon.
I can't help thinking, though, that as much as many of us love to make the comparison, no court in America would accept that cracking enemy cyphers falls under the DMCA.
Peace,
James Vogel.
"I have spread my dreams under your feet, Tread softly, because you tread on my dreams." - W. B. Yeats.
In this case it is an irrelevent rant that needlessly attacks Hollywood studios. I would argue that this editorial content almost certainly does not belong in a movie review (which should be studio-agnostic, IMO), and without doubt should not be representing the review on the main page.
This doesn't even address the fact that comparing Gnutella users to the codebreakers in WW2 is a stretch, at best. Remember, those guys invented the computer in order to defeat Nazis. This is very different from sharing one's collection of Beck songs and downloading Simpsons episodes.
Karma: Good (despite my invention of the Karma: sig)
Someone's been watching the History Channel again...
So, what's the point of using a purposefully misleading intro paragraph? Slashdot is where I learned of the acronym "FUD" ("Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt," for those who do not know) but it seems like putting a misleading intro like this will help spread it, rather than help stop it.
How many people do you think will only read the main page, and go away thinking it's the truth? Yeah, it's their own fault for not reading the entire story, but everyone is guilty of this from time to time.
If all you have are silver bullets, everything looks like a werewolf.
I was hoping Neal (Stephenson) would have been able to get Crypto made into a movie...perhaps it would be redundant now.
I just wanted to see who they would cast as America Shaftoe! (and maybe Glory too, except for the leprosy...)
Athletic Scholarships to universities make as much sense as academic scholarships to sports teams.
You bet it is, I wouldn't be surprised if Hitler takes this to the courts!
JP
--- Worst tagline ever.
I can just imagine Hitler waving the DMCA at the British during WWII when they finally cracked the Enigma! Still interesting to think about how the NAZI's would of felt about the DMCA. Control of the flow of information and ownership of information (and everything else) is a basic principal of any fascist state. I don't think the NAZI's would look too lightly on any sort of circumvention devices.
I stole this Sig
This movie is about sex and mathematics..
I'm not even gonna say it ;)
"In all of the scary stories Hollywood circulates about copyright piracy, nothing could be scarier that the gang of file swapping, copyright circumventing hackers in the new movie 'Enigma'."
...in the new movie 'Emigma' WHAT? That they... WHAT!?
Complete your damn sentence!
When I read the beginning of the review on the main page, i thought it was some nightmarish procution dreamed up by the DMCA nazis in the music/viedo industry. Actually, I got pretty worked up about by the time i clecked "Read More..." I was all ready to post a giant rant about the MPAA, the RIAA, and how they suck ass.
;)
While I am sure that this serves as a terrific attention-getting device, in the future try not to have such blatantly BS and non-factual headlines. Its deception for the purpose of getting hits, something I didn't think slashdot would stoop to. And its "Bait and Switch," kinda, in that you come expecting something, see the add, then actually read something else.
That said, it looks like a great film. Maybe I'll go see it, though I am pretty well read on the enigma story as it is. Of course, I saw LoTR, so thats a cheesy argument
It's too bad it sounds like it left out the most important player in the whole operation - Alan Turing.
no, actually that place is funnier, if a bit sick.
I think the PBS documentary on Enigma was probably more on the money, but not as viable for Hollywood type profit motives.
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
The fictional encomium to hacking (the Cryptonomicon) tries to draw a parallel, but let's not forget that the codebreakers of WW2 were trying to save their country. They didn't think "information wants to be free"-as a matter of fact, the fact that Enigma was broken was one of the most jealously guarded secrets of the war.
Today's hackers (or "crackers" if you prefer) are mostly motivated by challenge and ego. Although there is a mythological character called "the good hacker," he coincides with reality about as much as the "honorable thief."
(-1, Raw and Uncut is the only way to read)
I had Willem Dafoe cast as Shaftoe in the mental casting of this book that I invariably perform on books that I read. This is way before Spiderman was even announced...I just pictured the character in my head as looking and acting like Dafoe's character in Platoon.
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That's the right link to the Enigma move site. Not http://www.enigmathemovie.com
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It is a historical account. How could it be out of date?
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This movie may dramatize the codebreakers as sex symbols and symbols of power but this was certainly not the case in real life. Consider the case of brilliant Alan Turing. He essentially led the effort to break the Engima code. How did society repay him? He was an outcast for being an "out" homosexual. He was harrassed throughout his life (read more). The British government let the professional and personal attacks on him continue because they didn't want to reveal his role in helping to crack the code, even years after the war was over. Unable to accept the fact that the same government he did an incredible service for now actively attacked him, he committed suicide. The "we need to keep his role secret" excuse is rediculous. No one raised a stink when Churchil published his memoroirs, which were filled with sensitive material.
I don't suppose the true story of Turing made it into this film at all.
GMD
watch this
No one of any value to society is going to act solely on a one-paragraph blurb on /., and everyone else who reads it will get curious and either read the rest of the review or get suspicious when the story isn't backed up by other news sources.
That is absolutely the worst introductory paragraph for a review that I have ever seen. I am not fond of the DMCA either, but don't you think that the opening paragraph describing the review should have at least some resemblance to what the movie is actually about?
I am very disappointed in Slashdot (timothy in particular) for using that first paragraph as the summary on the main page. If you're going to publish the review at all, for heaven's sake, take the time to write two sentences describing the review, or excerpt a useful section, instead of using the useless and misleading first paragraph! Here, I'll do it for you:
Peter Waner reviews Enigma, writing "Enigma" is about good codebreakers -- the mathematicians and clerks of Great Britain's Bletchley Park who helped the Allied cause during World War II by breaking the German coding machine known as "Enigma." (Read on for the rest of Peter's review.)
If you're interested in cryptography, and you can get to Maryland (USA), visit the National Cryptologic Museum. Among other things, they have an Enigma there. If you can't go and visit yourself, here's their picture and a short description of the Enigma. They have lots of other exhibits too, and there's no entrance fee. Last time I visited, they even let you play with an Enigma, so you could encrypt and decrypt messages with it.
- David A. Wheeler (see my Secure Programming HOWTO)
I really, really wish you could moderate stories as well as comments.
Sex and mathematics?
I've heard good things about the film, and hopefully it will get to a screen near me. I would also highly recommend, if your interested in documentaries about the real story, Nova's excellent "Breaking the Code."
;-)
Its really amazing some of the details that people never hear about breaking the Enigma code. One quick fact/story that I remember (obviously paraphrased and correct me if I make any errors, its been a bit since I last saw it): One of the first versions of the Enigma code that the British were able to crack, was the Luftwaffe code. How? To set up the machine to decode the enigma code, you needed to base the rotors off a three letter unencrypted sequence and another three letters that were encrypted. Unfortunately for the Germans, the operators got lazy all too often. If the first three letters were HIL, any guess what the next three encrypted were? Yup, TER, spelling out "Hitler." Other operators would use their names or their girlfriend's. It wasn't that the code was flawed, it took the German operators, inadvertently of course, to help the British break their own enigma.
Its in many ways analogous to the great majority of system problems now, open ports, unpatched software, etc. Any system can be nearly perfect, until you add a human to run it.
forma3
My biggest concern about the movie, which I haven't yet had the chance to see, is that it seems to miss out the role of Alan Turing. Turing, for those who don't know, was one of the founders of computing. He lead the team that built one of the first digital computers and developed the theoretical foundation for all of modern computing. He is an absolutely key figure in 20th. century science, perhaps as important as Einstein.
He was also a leading figure at Bletchely Park and it is highly doubtful that Enigma would have been broken without him. If you were to single out one figure as the key to breaking the code it has to be Turing.
So its worrying that a film of this critical moment in world history seems to muddy the role of Turing. Andrew Hodges who wrote the review I link to, wrote an excellent biography of Turing that should be required reading for anyone who considers themselves even remotely a geek. Turing achieved more in his sadly shortened life than most of us could dream of. The fact that the story of Bletchley Park has been turned into a film that excludes Turing is truly sad.
Sailing over the event horizon
It's almost the same, excepts "artists" isn't the real term - say "soldiers". Ultra is the war effort kiddies. You get the rest. Hence Paragraph 1 is relevant, but a bit of teaser.
The movie seems interesting. Is it me, or would a serious 2 hours spent on just the cracking of the code have been more entertaining? I understand the made-for-TV versions are there (probably better), but there's something important to give the public a sense of just how difficult, important and exciting hacking can be. And I'm not talking about having numbers and letters glow as in A Beautiful Mind - sheesh.
With that said, by the time these are well-documented, they are old. I don't expect a movie of The Cuckoo's Egg or the fun of the young Doug Hofstadler's (sp.) GEB.
If this movies gets some attention, maybe Wolfenstien v?.0 will have an Engima machine in there somewhere, althought I don't expect it to beyond a puzzle of Myst-level.
mug
Writer: I know! We'll fictionalize it, then we can have a nice straight protagonist, the audience will like it, and we'll still get to tell a cool story!
Someone way down on the totem pole: But isn't that kind of dishonoring the memory of the genius who actually did the work?
Producer: (Hands over ears) LA LA LA LA I can't hear you...
We Brits often complain about how war films are slanted to play up the American involvement because that's where the money for the films comes from (cf Memphis Belle). After the British release I heard an interesting radio interview where a Polish veteran was complaining about how the Poles don't get a proper share of the glory in this story.
[minor spoiler alert] The point he was making was that not only did the Poles find the machine in the first place, but if they hadn't kept quiet about it for the duration of the war then Hitler would have abandoned Enigma much sooner, or at least have had an inkling that his communications were being intercepted. But the secrecy surrounding the codebreaking operation was so good from *all* parties that Rommel went to his grave cursing the spy who was giving away information from his signals back to Germany.
There was an excellent series on Channel 4 about the operation about three years ago, and I would assume that it has been aired on PBS (though maybe not because it isn't exactly complimentery towards our American allies). Enigma makes the whole subject into a story, but the subject also bears telling in a documentary style.
Dunstan
The last scintilla of doubt just rode out of town
I think you've got the wrong shaftoe. The thought of Willem Dafoe in drag just scares me...
America, not Douglas MacArthur.
How does this guy pull off trying to make a link between the Enigma machine and Gnutella?
Sure, both are going against some sort of protection, but seriously, do you want to get your story posted that bad that you have to throw in something about Copywrite protection and the DMCA? This entire article was pointless....
Ultra was the general mechanism for distributing the intercepts. It was a complicated, very secret group that went out of its way to avoid letting the Nazis know that the codes were broken. They were sharing files.
Gnutella is one of the most decentralized file sharing systems. So it has the potential to be the most secret. I suppose a better comparison might be to the warez traders.
A bad movie trying to solely cash in and not honour the actual people it pretends to.
And to my knowledge it didnt do well here in the UK either.
Turing: gone.
The Poles: absent.
The vilian: A Pole working at Bletchley Park(beep! there were none in the Real Life!), sspying for the Nazis.
And you call it 'slightly fictionalized'? That's a fine spin, thank you very much!
-m-
I would like to die like my grandfather did - sleeping. And not screaming in terror, like his passengers.
Law can't stop crime. Law can only direct authority to apprehend and punish criminals.
Just thought I'd mention that.
--Blair
As established in court the computer was invented before WW II at Iowa State College of Agriculture and Mechanical Arts in Ames, Iowa
Seastead this.
Thanks, I didn't see the original comment, but I laughed out loud when I saw the response. Sadly, my guess is that too few will enjoy the irony in your posting.
Kudos.
Regards,
Anomaly
But Herr Heisenberg, how does the electron know when I'm looking?
....seeing as I haven't seen any comments or opinions about the movie....I loved it. Kate Winslet does a great job as the mousey/nerdy girl and I would kill my whole family to spend one night with Saffron Burrows! While the reviewer is correct that they do speak about how they broke the codes and the lingo is right on.....I still could have used a little more info on that half of the plot....it was more love story than code breaking 75/25 split. Go see it, it's worth your time. (my mom even loved it)
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Ignored Since 1973
Retard. Red Hat 7.2 codename "Enigma" and Red Hat 7.3 codename "Valhalla"
The true story of Alan Turing (see my post below) is a fascinating, albeit disturbing story. Y'know, it's too bad that Hollywood would never make a movie about him and the battles that he faced. I mean, Hollywood is notorious for copying successful movies. When Star Wars came out, everyone was making space films and TV shows. Now that Spider-man is a big hit, there's going to be a slew of comic book movies. I wish that the success of "A Beautiful Mind" would convince Hollywood that there are some fascinating stories about brilliant scientists and the incredible challenges they faced. There are a lot of fascinating stories out there.
GMD
watch this
Maybe we'll get to see Dr. Turing getting hot with 18 year old boys.
The movie makers might be sued by anyone using the Enigma as a copyright protection mechanism. The reviewer is one such person. Talk about a review that could shut down a movie!
Here's a story about William Tutte who also worked at Bletchley, but he worked on breaking FISH. I went to what was probably his last lecture, about three months ago.
XML causes global warming.
or elaborate vcr's? why is the enteratainment industry attacking the general purpose computer? i don't own a tv or a vcr, but i do watch movies on my laptop, and listen to music--all paid for, thank you. it is only relevant in that hollywood makes it relevant. they seem to have found that digital distribution allows for better quality, but it has those pesky qualities which they would like to get rid of. get out of my sandbox!
Damn you for getting my hopes up!
so what happens when i download a copy of this?
do the nazis sue Kazaa?
The Polish government in exile was based in Britain and their surviving pilots flew with the RAF and the Army Air Corps. Most of these guys were tall, blond-haired, blue-eyed, dashing and had "cute" accents. Needless to say, they got all of the girls when they happened to be around. The piqued American personnel started telling Polack Jokes........
I know that I keep bringing this up but perhaps the best history of military cryptoanalysis in print is The Codebreakers by David Kahn. It devotes about four novel length chapters to World War II cryptography alone and also describes the first cryptographic war for the airwaves during World War I.
it also points out that one of the big revolutions in military cryptography was the coordination of code making and code breaking. The only way to make a good code is to try to break it. Knowledge of practical code breaking was never intended to be distributed outside of military circles, even to the point where the National Security Agency attempted to block publication of The Codebreakers for even revealing obsolete historical details of World War II cryptoanalysis. As a result the comparison between military cryptoanalysts and copyright crackers is a bit overdrawn. Many of the codebreakers were also involved and creating and testing military codes to hide information from the public.
I thought it was pretty good, and I'm afraid to say that I was only mildly surprised to think that Hollywood might make a movie like that....
Anyway, it wasn't a purposefully misleading paragraph, it was making a very valid, and effective, point. Hats off to all involved.
I thought it was mush. Infeasible plot (actually, the plot jusified the name, since I didn't know what was going on most of the time. Not telling the viewer what's going on is a cheap way to keep them in suspense), wussy nerd as main male character, dumpy nerd as main female character. Not enough history (which led me to believe that they wre making loads of it up), not enough technology, embarrassing sex. A bad "whodunnit" costume drama pretending to be something else.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
The thought of Willem Dafoe in drag just scares me...
Then don't watch Boondock Saints.
If you can get over that brief part, it's an awesome movie though.
I remember seeing this at the cinema last year, and thinking: "It had better have a lot of either codebreaking or Kate Winslet Naked".
Unfortunately, while codebreaking and Miss Winslet are present, neither is revealed in enough depth to be interesting.
The only thing that saved the film for me was the period detail.
graspee
Never do this on slashdot Never Never
Yeah... real creepy idea...
Don't forget -- Doug and Amy Shaftoe are 1/2 and 1/4 Filipino, respectively. The actresses playing them would have to at least be able to look Eurasian.
Doug Shaftoe would be a difficult call -- Keanu Reeves (part Chinese), maybe, if he bulked up a lot and had some aging makeup. (Dean Cain comes to mind as well, but even though he's part Japanese he doesn't look it.) Amy Shaftoe... maybe Sandra Bullock, even though she's not Asian at all. She could definitely pull the part off, though; unlike a lot of other actresses that get the kinds of comedic roles she goes after (Cameron Diaz and the like) she can be gritty enough for the part.
Unfortunately I'd have to reread Cryptonomicon for other ideas; Randy in particular has never really been a character I could picture.
/Brian
Wrong generation and wrong spin. "Enigma" is about good codebreakers -- the mathematicians and clerks of Great Britain's Bletchley Park who helped the Allied cause during World War II by breaking...
I thought Dante and Randal were in New Jersey...
Maybe I'm wrong.
I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man,
I'm just a mortal with potential of a super man.
You're scared of Willem Dafoe in drag? Watch Boondock Saints, he plays a gay, eccentric FBI agent. I don't think it's out on DVD yet, or at least widely released in the states, so it may be ab it hard to acquire.
indeed. I thought the lead was hilarious.
sulli
RTFJ.
If you're interested in Enigma you'll probably find this interview with Jack Good very interesting.
Miko O'Sullivan
I hate to nitpick and complain (well, I guess I don't or I wouldn't be doing this) but I can assure you all that the film was not "wildly" popular here in Britain. While it may not have been a flop exactly, it was as close to "straight to video" as you can get...
--- There's no place like 127.0.0.1
..it sounded intresting until i clicked 'read more'.
The Truth: There is no string:)
Does anyone *care* what someone who accepts Hollywood-as-truthteller has to say? People that stupid seldom actually get off the couch long enough to act based on their bad information. To my foreign brethren I say this - Relax. Have a beverage. No one of significance in America believes the trash coming out of Hollywood any more than y'all do.
Flame on!
My new theory on underground music.
Stard sending small monetary donations to the artists you like, along with a letter explaining how you like digital music online, it's so convenient, etc.., but how you don't want to rip off the artists. Also explain that rather than buy the music in the store, where the record company keeps most of hte cash, you would rather just send them some directly. THey get more fromj you than they would through the record company, and you aren't participating in a business model you don't like.
At least they won't be able to say you are ripping off the artist. You are just ripping off the recording industry.
I found a decent page about his various works. A Tom Stoppard Bibliography
Huh? How can this movie be in violation of the DMCA? The account of Enigma and how Ultra and the Polish cracked it is old hat. It's been published many times, long before there ever was a DMCA. And Enigma technology is in the public domain - nobody "owns" it. And if someone was silly enough to actually use the Enigma algorithm in a commercial product these days, when there are numerous other better forms of encryption in the public domain to use, it still wouldn't matter. Publishing general information on a well-known algorithm is not the same as reverse-engineering someone's implementation of that algorithm and publishing that information.
I guess he just had to throw the obligatory YRO question in there.
Best thing we have going here besides PBS, BBC America.
But that's not to say that a 14 year old can't be that responsible or carry adult status, while a 22 year old might still be immature and irresponsible
:P )
while that may be true, i think it's safe to say the vast majority of children have not yet developed both mentally and physically enought to be ready for sexual encounters. And by sexual encounters I don't mean being taught about sexuality in school, I mean actual physical encounters. "majority rules" is appropriate in this case - the simple fact is that most children are not ready for sex, they can't make the decision for themselves, so it should not be permitted.
Society is protecting the children in this case, and although in some cases the children don't need protecting, in most cases they do.
p.s. all this is coming from a queer. (that oughta keep the moderators at bay.
I believe this german coders were the same ones that afterwards were send to the famous "LCWC ESFN" battalion in the Russian Front. The "Lazy Coders Who Can't Even Spell the Fuher's Name" battalion were famous for its bright collored uniforms and its high turnover.
> The film closely follows the novel, although
The link here incorrectly points to:
http://www.enigmathemovie.com/
The correct link is:
http://www.enigma-themovie.com/
Thanks Google!
You dummy, all the Polack jokes are created and disseminated by the telephone companies.
They're always driving Poles into the ground.
In his review, Roger Ebert mentions this also.
Your lame, forced comparison cheapens the achievement of the Bletchley Park codebreakers and the Allied troops who risked their lives to capture Enigma material.
It also makes you look like a whining tosser who thinks his right to download an MP3 is as important as the rights and freedoms won in WWII.
I think the DMCA is bad too, but for fuck's sake, don't do this kind of thing again.
2. Turing was a homosexual.
Illicit file swapping? Better not tell the MPAA about this.
Will the movie be a violation of the DMCA? Hmmm, maybe, maybe not. I wonder what would happen if you built your own Enigma Machine and wrote a book about the process? Like this : www.enigma-replica.com
That would not stop anybody on slashdot :)
I think he meant "God" as an interjection.
It isn't a factual account of Turing's experiences, nor of WW2 in general, but it's a well-written book set during WW2 (not entirely), with a heavy focus on cryptography. The reason I bring it up is tat it is so bent on cryptography (who'd have guessed?), and Enigma has a cameo.
Cryptonomicon is engaging, I had great difficulty putting it down, though the instructional detail used to describe various technical feats compelled me to set it aside for a minute to give them a go myself. Stephenson has a solid grasp on many technical concepts, even if he doesn't get all of them 100% correct (you'll get no spoilers from me!).
All of that, and he even observes Turing's professed sexual preference in a much more honest (read: less inverted) manner.
Is the movie and its detailed description of breaking the Enigma in violation of the DMCA?
I hope not, i plan to make a film about how russian programmers did their bit for the anti-capitalist/globalist/pigs war and hacked the SSSCA DRM system. Then they put the results on the internet so people could hunt down and kill the evil Friz Hollings and his army.
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I thought the older shaftoe was 100% american... for him i could see willem dafoe, though i mentally had someone who looks, now that i think of it, like the drug-dealing kid's neo-nazi dad from american beauty. amy i dunno. there aren't many amerasian actresses i can think of - i think the tilly girls would qualify except they're half *candadian* haha and jennifer's too nutty and meg is a little too old now - but amerasians can look all kinds of ways as adults, so there's *some* leeway. john cusak could get away with it, but sandra bullock is about as american looking as you can possibly get.
Expanding a vast wasteland since 1996.
Here are some links that tell the story of how the improved Enigma was broken by the efforts of the National Cash Register Co. (NCR).
Dayton's Code Breakers
the American Bombe Project
The British then set up the team to extend the work and deal with the increasing complexity of the Enigma machines. Yes, they made awesome breakthroughs, but the Polish did the basic work much earlier.
Stop the Slashdot Effect! Don't read the articles!
the main reason people lash out at gays is because they have issues with their own sexuality
One could make an infinite list of counter-examples, with analogies to other forms of behavior that are not approved by society as a whole. For instance, I'm not sure I could bake bread very well, do I lash out at bakers?
The true reason why people lash out at gays is because the behavior of homosexuals is so utterly alien to a normal, i.e. heterosexual, man that gay behavior is seen as menacing in a general way. It's a normal survival instinct to fear/hate/fight what is alien.
I do not agree with some people who appreciate certain forms of art, or music, or jobs, etc, but I can understand that there are different sorts of people, with different tastes. I may not feel much sexual attraction for some women, who may be attractive to other men, and vice-versa. Homosexuality, on the other hand, is absolutely different. There's a very well defined line between being a man and a woman. I feel absolutely no sexual attraction to any man.
Gays claiming that men who don't like gays are actually closet homosexuals themselves are just ridiculous. It may be a popular theory among gays, but, for society at large, it only contributes to alienating gays even more. There may be a small fringe of undecided men, but the average heterosexual man is sure of his own heterosexuality.
The best approach for you to be more accepted by society would be something like this: "yes, we know we are different, we don't know why this is so, but it just happens to be like that. Please, understand that, apart from our sexual habits, we are exactly like any other human beings".
Nothing against Sandra Bullock, but she hardly looks the part.
How about Lexa Doig?
Well, yeah, heavy makeup...
Bobby Shaftoe, yes. Doug Shaftoe is half-Filipino, though, so he would look quite Asian. Jennifer Tilly actually did come to mind, but she's so completely wrong for the part I didn't bother to bring her up myself; Amy comes off as being rather younger, to begin with, and probably a lot tougher-looking -- a few tats, IIRC, for one thing -- whereas Jennifer Tilly is a bit too curvy and bimboish.
/Brian
I thought he pointed out he wasn't INTERESTED in Keanu Reeves as Neo, dammit!
^_^
-Kasreyn
Kasreyn: Cheerfully playing the part of Devil's Advocate to hairtrigger
Ah, American soceity is protecting what it percieves as its children. There are some societies that understand sexuality and don't have such absolute laws. In Holland, for example, I heard anyone over the age of 13 is a consenting adult. Personally I feel it is the responsibility of the parent to protect their children. But American's tend to not agree.
That being said I understand where you are coming from. But I have an 18 year old sister. Just because its legal for her to have sex doesn't mean its ok. She's pregnant. How did this happen? Not enough sexual education? I know she has attended at least a couple classes in high school. This is the result of a lack of parental responsibility and the bombardment of lies about drugs and sex that our media sends to our kids with the government's support. Sometimes I think she'd be better off if she grew up in a different country with a different family that wasn't raised on American values.
The only problem with the intro is that instead of being funny, it was misleading. Why? Because something like that would not surprise many of us. Well, not much more than the disney channel airing cartoons aimed at kids to explain why trading music is illegal. In fact, I'm kind of curious why they haven't done it. It seems like the perfect ploy, using their influence on the movies to bend everyone to their will. Oh wait, they're allready doing that...
Seriously though, look for something like this in the makings. Except that the file swappers and reverse engineerers will, of course, be the 50 year old villains who much be stopped by a group of pre-teen children.
Ha ha! He said the word "clerks" which also was the name of a popular movie several years ago. Very witty!
I noticed you said the name "Dante". Hey, how could he be in New Jersey when he lived hundreds of years ago and wrote a book called _Inferno_?
Isn't this absolutely hilarious of me to say?
I better stop before I bust a gut.
I really hope you were just being an ASS and you didn't actually think that was a useful thing to say.
...or we'd have the story transposed to an US setting, never mind history.
Mechanic: "Somebody set up us the bombes".
My apologies for dredging this up!!
Burma?
Tom Stoppard, the screenwriter also responsible for Shakespeare In Love, weaves these two threads together with car chases, kissing, train whistles, moonlit nights, illicit file swapping and a few other romantic chords.
Another great flick by Tom is the fantastically funny, existentialist film Rosencrantz and Gildenstern are Dead. Based on his play of the same name. Definitly in my top five.
There is something wonderful in seeing a wrong-headed majority assailed by truth. ~John Kenneth Galbraith
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Contrary to popular belief, coding is not all free blow-jobs and beer. Those things cost MONEY!
I saw this several months ago now and loved it, I think it's available on DVD here now so I will have to go buy it.
I'm not sure if it was a straight to DVD release over there, but if memory serves Mr. Jagger and those responsible for distribution originally agreed not to release this film in the US because they deemed that it would go over the head of most Americans.
Personally I was horrified that such a decision was made, but after seeing the results on Slashdot a couple of weeks ago of the general knownledge of all things scientific over there, it seems to be that the Slashdot crowd is a very vocal minority. I guess it costs a lot to release, and difficult to re-coup with that kind of audience.
Regardless it is a very good film, and it's great you guys can finally see it. I suggest anyone with the slightest interest in cryptography, mathematics, or just wants to see where things have come from.... check this one out asap.
Glenn
The Smrt way to trade CFDs on the ASX
He died by eating an apple dipped in cyanide (so I was told in my intro CS class...)
Surely you've heard the story of Polly Nomial?
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Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
> one who played Ted "Theodore" Logan, not the
> one who played Neo.
Shut up, Ted.
Quid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
Anything said in Latin, sounds profound.
Anarchy is the absence of a State, therefore the notion of an Anarchistic State is a contradiction of terms.
Far from being a political philosophy as commonly understood, anarchism is principally a moral philosophy which disdains aggression. The common confusion among the general public between anarchism and nihilism leads writers like yourself to posit the idea of bomb throwing anarchists (or anarchist gunmen discharging their firearms randomly in shopping malls).
There is a spectrum of philosophy ranging from the extreme moral position of the pacifists (a species of anarchism which goes even further than rejecting aggression) to the fence-straddling libertarians (who countenance retaliatory force) to the political extremes of fascism which prevail in most states.
The official movie site link is here. The original left out the hyphen.
Reminds me of the two hour PBS/Nova documentary on the Enigma effort at Bletchley Park and something one of the still living (American) scientists said about Turing and his genius. He said that, upon learning of the invention or idea of a very intelligent mind, one could sense that given enough time and resources the same invention/idea might occur to one's self. However, upon learning of the invention/idea of a genius the likes of Turing's one sensed immediately that such an invention/idea was beyond reach, regardless of the time and resources available. I got the impression that the old scientist believed that ideas of Turing's sort sprung from an entirely different place than the ideas that most of us have. In that sense, the wellspring of mathematical/techinical genius resembles the wellspring of artistic genius: like Turing, Beethoven, Michelangelo, Shakespeare and others have all created works that are far beyond the achievements of less divinely gifted contemporaries.
I was touched by the old man's obvious awe of Turing: he chose not to play Salieri to Turing's Mozart.
It was very moving statement, in a 'geekish' way.
Reminds me of the old movie about the life of Alexander Graham Bell, where James Stewart played the title role, with no attempt at a Scots accent.
Quidquid Latine dictum sit, altum videtur (anything said in Latin sounds important)
...having taken poison in the backseat of a car after Hitler gave him the choice of dying as a hero, in which case Rommel's family would live, or else being executed as one of the conspirators who tried to off Hitler.
That's when Polish cryptographers working in Psary near Warsaw broke the Enigma code. They later delivered Enigma to the Brits, so they could then continue work and decipher Nazi transmisions and thus win the WWII. Without the work one by Poles, there would be many more casualties and the Royal Navy would have lots much more ships.
Read the letters of the Ambassador of the Republic of Poland here and here.
There are many other things that Brits like to keep secret, like the destruction of the Armia Krajowa (Polish Home Army, the largest organized undercover military structure that operated in Europe during the WWII) Archives of Espionage Reports sent to the Brits over the course of WWII.
This film is remotely close to the historic truth.
Is it my idea or was this movie shown almost 10 months ago in the UK?
He died, while dressed in womens clothing, attempting to asphyxiate himself with a noose, to "get off". Oh, wait a minute, that wasn't the noble Turing, that was an MP - a member of the British Parliament, in the late 80's. doh! Funny how the British Govt. changed it's "policy" when it was their own rectums involved ....