I also had your problem. I've decided to give up on moderation and read slashdot at -1 There are a lot of interesting things to be said at that level, too:)
I wasn't talking about a search engine such as Google, but of a "site search engine". The nice thing about zope is that is very easy to create new content types that are searchable and you can even index word and pdf documents.
About the standardness of Plone: if you're refering to the look, that is easy to modify, as the skin is very customizable from CSS. If you mean that you're building a different kind of CMS, I don't see why you can't benefit from the standard features and define your own custom workflows and content types with Plone.
From the article you quote (which is from 2002, btw):
"""Unlike mainstream languages like Java and Visual Basic, both Pearl and Python are only available for Unix operating systems. Although I am fully able to install and use Visual Basic on my Microsoft Intel Personal Computer, I was forced to draw my experience with Pearl and Python entirely from IRC and Usenet postings. Whilst it is possible to get a support contract for most languages, try it with Python and Pearl, and you will soon find yourself in "debate" with a 14-year old basement-dwelling hacker, who will first ridicule you, and then tell you to fix your problems yourself, since "you have access to the source code"."""
First, I'm sure there was a python version back then in 2002, and second, if python or perl aren't languages capable of being used in enterprise, why are they used by some of the biggest in internet business, aka google and amazon?
My guess would be that a good example of Python used in real life for a fibonaci number generator would use a generator and calculate the number "on demand", something like:
x = myFibonaciGen() for i in range(10): print x.next()
This is what a python version would be like in "real life" situations. Not generating the whole thing at once.
Do yourself a favor and sacrifice 3 months of your life learning Zope & Plone. If you're into web development, it will pay off big at the end.
It's like: why build your own search engine, security engine, your own membership system, html form engine, templating system, cache engine, skin system, content types & custom types, etc, when you can just use zope & plone and get a complete framework with open source products and addons on which thousands already develop at the highest profesional level?
I admit that Plone and zope suffer from some documentation problem, but it's possible to overcome that. There are free books, available online (Zope book and The Definitive Guide to Plone) that can get you through. The documentation on Plone.org is getting very good. There are several code repositories (collective is one of them and some on zope.org) that have example products. Also, read the sources, they're not that hard to understand.
And before any of you jump and shout Booo!! ZODB, let me remind you that you can use just as well a reqular sql server to store your content information.
Wouldn't it be cool if SCO buys (with MSFT money) Transmeta, and then they claim that Linus wrote, while at Transmeta, the linux kernel, so it's rightfully theirs?:-))
Apropos Peter Hamilton... I've read a few days ago Pandora's Star. After the first few chapter I was about to give up on reading it, but after I got used to his style of mixing story threads, the book really got me and I couldn't sleep or put it down until I've finished it. I don't remember since I've been so captivated by a story (Hyperion might be one of those).
Now I've started to read The Reality Dysfunction, first book from the Dawn series and after the first 4 chapters I can't see where the story is heading, but I'm faithfull that I'll like it, in the end.
You may be wrong about file:open and file:save being the worst candidates. I think it depends on the app. For example, for me in Corel Draw the save icon is an indicator for my save state (I tend to save every few moves, and the open icon is quite handy to avoid a few thumb-twisting moves). And anyway, my right hand sits on the mouse, so in this type of applications I think those icons cannot hurt. To tell the truth, in a new application I wouldn't be messing at first with the icons, and stick with the traditional, common ones.
To tell the truth, no, for two reasons: 1. I still trust Firefox's Javascript implementation 2. I visit some sites that need that (gmail is one of them)
I've had the same problem with Java. First, there's no exploit, as far as I know, to circumvent the "Click Yes to install" screen that would appear when trying to install software from java. Also, Firefox has the option to disable java, which I did.
I don't know about the perl version, but ActiveState's Python is not at all different from the main python. What they offer is optimized compiled binaries, with some extra libraries that would be harder to get and install (PythonWin, PIL libraries, etc). That's as much of a fork of python as slackware is a fork of linux. Is just a diferent bundling.
I presume you refer to web pages. I've never found this to be a problem. Usually the python editors replace the tabs with spaces (4 of them) and when you use this with a pre tag or whitespace preserving css, you'll have no problem.
I think python far surpases its whitespace problem through ease of use, clarity of language and cool software available.
It takes a lot of effort to write unreadable Python code... and if you follow the rule of naming your variables good names, it becomes close to impossible not to comprehend a python program.
funny... I'm using right now btlaunchmanycurses.py and I've got no problem... I'm just using this command in screen: btlaunchmanycurses.py./ --max_upload_rate 10 and it will watch the curent directory for any changes (moving the torrent will abort the download, adding a new torrent in the directory will automaticaly start it). Works perfect:)
Asa another true romanian dude I say: fuck you and fuck off. You 313373 haxors are the reason I can't use paypall or purchase anything on the internet right now. Another time: fuck you
(Imi cer scuze pentru cazul in care tu nu te ocupi cu chestii de astea. Insa e frustrant sa vezi cat suntem de desconsiderati pe internet din cauza unor pungasi)
I have tikal and "la citta". La Citta is even more interesting, it's a game of building and city "influence". Very nice and strategic, even if it involves a bit of change. What is really fun is the card game "Bang!" from davincigames.com . It can be played by 2 to 7 players. Basicly each player gets to play a role from a western (sherif, deputy, thief, renegate) and has a famous western "character" - like Lucky Duke, Suzy Lafayette, Willie the Kid, etc that provides some "traits" or advantages. Players take turns shooting each other (there are quite a few types of cards) until the sherif is dead. This are the really simplified rules.
Right now me and my girlfriend play, whenever possible, the 2 player version and have a lot of fun with it. So I highly recommend it to you. Plus, it's cheap, has expansions, it's "portable" and has simple rules and easy to understand. But the variety of cards and characters make it very interesting and hard to get bored.
There already is a free, open source PDF writer, that works just like Adobe's stuff. It's called PDFcreator and is available for download from sf.net My only problem with it is that it does not detect, when printing from MSWord, the page layout changing in the middle of the document (landscape / portrait) and it does not print well East-European fonts.
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I also had your problem. I've decided to give up on moderation and read slashdot at -1 :)
There are a lot of interesting things to be said at that level, too
That was funny! Thanks :-)
I didn't check the website, but if it would use a "clean" javascript generator, it wouldn't be possible to record your generated password.
You should really quit your GNAA club, maybe that would set you free from your goatse adiction :-)
I wasn't talking about a search engine such as Google, but of a "site search engine". The nice thing about zope is that is very easy to create new content types that are searchable and you can even index word and pdf documents.
About the standardness of Plone: if you're refering to the look, that is easy to modify, as the skin is very customizable from CSS. If you mean that you're building a different kind of CMS, I don't see why you can't benefit from the standard features and define your own custom workflows and content types with Plone.
Related to the syntax checker... I use boa as IDE and that has an integrated syntax checker, and it highlights your error in the status bar.
From the article you quote (which is from 2002, btw):
"""Unlike mainstream languages like Java and Visual Basic, both Pearl and Python are only available for Unix operating systems. Although I am fully able to install and use Visual Basic on my Microsoft Intel Personal Computer, I was forced to draw my experience with Pearl and Python entirely from IRC and Usenet postings. Whilst it is possible to get a support contract for most languages, try it with Python and Pearl, and you will soon find yourself in "debate" with a 14-year old basement-dwelling hacker, who will first ridicule you, and then tell you to fix your problems yourself, since "you have access to the source code"."""
First, I'm sure there was a python version back then in 2002, and second, if python or perl aren't languages capable of being used in enterprise, why are they used by some of the biggest in internet business, aka google and amazon?
My guess would be that a good example of Python used in real life for a fibonaci number generator would use a generator and calculate the number "on demand", something like:
x = myFibonaciGen()
for i in range(10):
print x.next()
This is what a python version would be like in "real life" situations. Not generating the whole thing at once.
Do yourself a favor and sacrifice 3 months of your life learning Zope & Plone. If you're into web development, it will pay off big at the end.
It's like: why build your own search engine, security engine, your own membership system, html form engine, templating system, cache engine, skin system, content types & custom types, etc, when you can just use zope & plone and get a complete framework with open source products and addons on which thousands already develop at the highest profesional level?
I admit that Plone and zope suffer from some documentation problem, but it's possible to overcome that. There are free books, available online (Zope book and The Definitive Guide to Plone) that can get you through. The documentation on Plone.org is getting very good. There are several code repositories (collective is one of them and some on zope.org) that have example products. Also, read the sources, they're not that hard to understand.
And before any of you jump and shout Booo!! ZODB, let me remind you that you can use just as well a reqular sql server to store your content information.
so what... nevermind ./ed. What was it before? :) Is there any connection to smalltalk?
more to the point: squeakland is
Wouldn't it be cool if SCO buys (with MSFT money) Transmeta, and then they claim that Linus wrote, while at Transmeta, the linux kernel, so it's rightfully theirs? :-))
If you're taking it that road, than any high level app is just a plugin for the OS. It sure uses the API provided by the kernel...
as a hippie you should know the value of sharing and not cutting the trees :)
get a palm man, read some books!
Apropos Peter Hamilton... I've read a few days ago Pandora's Star. After the first few chapter I was about to give up on reading it, but after I got used to his style of mixing story threads, the book really got me and I couldn't sleep or put it down until I've finished it. I don't remember since I've been so captivated by a story (Hyperion might be one of those).
Now I've started to read The Reality Dysfunction, first book from the Dawn series and after the first 4 chapters I can't see where the story is heading, but I'm faithfull that I'll like it, in the end.
You may be wrong about file:open and file:save being the worst candidates. I think it depends on the app. For example, for me in Corel Draw the save icon is an indicator for my save state (I tend to save every few moves, and the open icon is quite handy to avoid a few thumb-twisting moves). And anyway, my right hand sits on the mouse, so in this type of applications I think those icons cannot hurt. To tell the truth, in a new application I wouldn't be messing at first with the icons, and stick with the traditional, common ones.
To tell the truth, no, for two reasons:
1. I still trust Firefox's Javascript implementation
2. I visit some sites that need that (gmail is one of them)
I've had the same problem with Java. First, there's no exploit, as far as I know, to circumvent the "Click Yes to install" screen that would appear when trying to install software from java. Also, Firefox has the option to disable java, which I did.
I don't know about the perl version, but ActiveState's Python is not at all different from the main python. What they offer is optimized compiled binaries, with some extra libraries that would be harder to get and install (PythonWin, PIL libraries, etc). That's as much of a fork of python as slackware is a fork of linux. Is just a diferent bundling.
I presume you refer to web pages. I've never found this to be a problem. Usually the python editors replace the tabs with spaces (4 of them) and when you use this with a pre tag or whitespace preserving css, you'll have no problem.
I think python far surpases its whitespace problem through ease of use, clarity of language and cool software available.
It takes a lot of effort to write unreadable Python code... and if you follow the rule of naming your variables good names, it becomes close to impossible not to comprehend a python program.
funny... I'm using right now btlaunchmanycurses.py and I've got no problem... ./ --max_upload_rate 10 :)
I'm just using this command in screen:
btlaunchmanycurses.py
and it will watch the curent directory for any changes (moving the torrent will abort the download, adding a new torrent in the directory will automaticaly start it). Works perfect
Asa another true romanian dude I say: fuck you and fuck off. You 313373 haxors are the reason I can't use paypall or purchase anything on the internet right now. Another time: fuck you
(Imi cer scuze pentru cazul in care tu nu te ocupi cu chestii de astea. Insa e frustrant sa vezi cat suntem de desconsiderati pe internet din cauza unor pungasi)
I have tikal and "la citta". La Citta is even more interesting, it's a game of building and city "influence". Very nice and strategic, even if it involves a bit of change.
What is really fun is the card game "Bang!" from davincigames.com . It can be played by 2 to 7 players. Basicly each player gets to play a role from a western (sherif, deputy, thief, renegate) and has a famous western "character" - like Lucky Duke, Suzy Lafayette, Willie the Kid, etc that provides some "traits" or advantages. Players take turns shooting each other (there are quite a few types of cards) until the sherif is dead. This are the really simplified rules.
Right now me and my girlfriend play, whenever possible, the 2 player version and have a lot of fun with it. So I highly recommend it to you. Plus, it's cheap, has expansions, it's "portable" and has simple rules and easy to understand. But the variety of cards and characters make it very interesting and hard to get bored.
There already is a free, open source PDF writer, that works just like Adobe's stuff. It's called PDFcreator and is available for download from sf.net My only problem with it is that it does not detect, when printing from MSWord, the page layout changing in the middle of the document (landscape / portrait) and it does not print well East-European fonts.