Then Tiger Woods can countersue everybody, and the Cincinatti Bengals can sue because Tigers have stripes and that infringes on their uniform patent.
Get over it!!!!
I understand you have to target the business desktop world, but I am not really interested in all of this business of having a unified desktop and now a unified package management system.
I, and many others, have CHOSEN Linux because we wanted the power to choose. One man's apt is another man's yum, is another man's yast and so on.
The more I realize that all you need to get your article posted on the Internet anymore is to have the patience to actually type up the crap you want to spew.
Between Solaris killing Linux, Bill Gates telling me that my passwords are obsolete, and Steve Ballmer telling me that my free Linux OS somehow costs more than Windows, I now have this mechanical brick on the floor and I don't know what to do with it.
You have all these people that don't really have to to be accountable for what they say and need to fill space and can just saturate the medium with information about anything.
So some guy just decides he is going to throw it out there that MP3 is dying.
It is always some off the cuff remark that they use to stir it up. Broadband is dying. The desktop PC is dying. So on and so forth.
It sounds like they think MP3 is dying because people just are not comfortable without as much DRM in their lives as they can get.
None of these people have much credibility with me.
Be on the lookout for Google 2005. Codename Googlehorn. It will be running Gbrower, GFs, Gmail, Goffice, Gplayer, Google-IM for instant messaging, and Google-er for "image" viewing.
Day after day, one guy has a problem with something and then the old blanket statement that it is no good comes out.
I know people running HD on all kind of equipment and providers and they don't have the problems that this guy has.
I run HD at home on a cable company provided box with cable company provided cables on a 42" Mitsubishi projection TV and it looks freaking awesome. Now if someone wants to say there are not enough channels yet, I will listen to that. But if somebody can't figure out how to get their hardware to work right, take it to the other sites where people still can't change the time on their VCR.
This is probably the same guy who's Windows XP crashes all the time, or the same guy who says KDE and Gnome are slow on his P4 3.6 Gig processor and his 2 gigs of RAM.
2. However, this is the NY Times, which is biased towards Bush, so I am not taking this report as gospel.
3. This article is pushing 2500 posts/replies. I have never seen an article with this much activity. Does anyone else remember one with this much activity and what the subject matter was.
The bandwidth question is the same one I would be worried about. That is a lot of freaking data.
I have Tivo and a 1Mbps cable connection so it sounds cool. But if we are talking multi GB downloads, even overnight might not be enough to get a movie downloaded. Probably has to run while you are at work.
Without even knowing how their network is setup, I think they should upgrade it.
It really does. It seems logical that since most people just assume Google is the only search engine anyway, that a Google Browser would seem to be a logical step in the company's progression.
HOWEVER, I am a little worried that at some point, people want so much to fight one monster that they create another to combat it.
Google search, GMAIL, the big IPO, GBrowser........GOffice for your web based DOC sharing, etc, etc, etc.
I like Google Search and I like GMAIL, but at the same time, whenever I see a company heading down the road to tell me that I should use them for my "complete online computing experience", I do feel a little uncomfortable.
I am not saying that is the case, and I am not saying any of this is bad. I like what Google is doing right now because new innovation is a good thing. But at the same time, I am aware of another company that wants everything I use to have their name attached to it and I am always keeping both eyes open.
I mean in all seriousness that this is great. Say what you want about Bill and M$'s business, practices, but when it comes to charity, Bill puts his money where his mouth is.
My question is this? With the raging debate that goes on about Linux on the desktop, do you think the PC's in this building will be running Gnome or KDE as the default.
I am assuming they will be running Fedora, but I guess Suse is a possibility. But then maybe Bill won't allow them to run Suse since they are run by Novell, who is trying to rip off.net with Mono. They may try Debian, but they might be waiting on Sarge to be released before making a commitment.
I personally switched because I found that most of the apps I liked were GTK based apps. But I had always gone against GNOME because I liked KDE better just because it is more configurable.
But I always thought that all of those GTK apps looked like crap and did not integrate as well as I wanted them too.
So I switched to GNOME and really like it now. Everything is more easily integrated and looks better for things like PAN, GAIM, Evolution, the new RealPlayer, etc.
If it were just the desktop, I like KDE better. But I prefer the Gnome apps.
That is my take.
The Infamous "Lightweight" argument
on
GNOME 2.8 Released
·
· Score: 4, Insightful
Let me begin by saying that I switch back and forth between Enlightenment and Gnome/KDE, so I am familiar with both sides of the argument. For the record, this takes place on a PIII 800 laptop with 256MB of RAM so I am in the middle of the curve. But I never have performance complaints with any of these. They all run better than Windows.
That being said.......
I see the point of wanting something lightweight on underpowered hardware. That is where the the Openbox's and XFCE's of the world come in. But what about those who have a big machine. If it can handle it, why not have something that can take advantage of it. It would seem to me that there should be a niche for that. Hardware specs will keeping increasing, not decreasing. So therefore, why wouldn't a GNOME or KDE take advantage of that.
I see more variance from distro to distro than I do from window manager to window manager. For instance, Gnome on Fedora to me is much slower than Gnome on Gentoo or Debian. But that is just me.
You can drive a Hyundai because it gets you where you want to go and gets great gas mileage, but that Corvette sure is good looking and fun to drive. And quite fast I might add.
Absolutely freaking right. I don't really put a lot of stock in what he says. When he comes out with his own original idea, then I might give him some credibility.
I wholeheartedly agree, and I would take it one step futher. Applications should be added by the user.
For example, I use Firefox. So let's say I want to use Gnome. In both Gentoo and Debian, you have to download Mozilla (including Mozilla Mail and News)if you want to use Gnome. I don't want Mozilla, I want Firefox. Let's say I don't want Evolution, and I want MUTT, or in my case, I just skip email clients altogether and go web based.
Well it will pull Evolution anyway.
I just wish you could get GNOME, and then add on what you want afterwards. KDE is a little different because it is Keverything, but still I wish the same there.
Let me decide what email client I want, what medial player I want, what IM client I want, etc.
I know I can go the way of Enlightenment, Openbox, etc and on occasion I do. But it sure it nice to not have to edit config files to change my wallpaper or menus. I prefer configuring a GUI through the GUI. Seems to make more sense
I have not read all the posts yet, but since this is a GNOME article go ahead and queue up the people who say KDE is better.
And queue up the minimalistic zealots who wonder why everyone runs KDE and GNOME when they run FVWM/Openbox/WindowMaker, etc because it just does what they want it to and nothing more. And my favorite, "it is so lightweight" "It puts no strain on my Dual Athlon, 1GB RAM system."
And queue me up as saying why the hell do those people feel they need to post in a GNOME forum if they don't like it.
Slashdot Mirror
Then Tiger Woods can countersue everybody, and the Cincinatti Bengals can sue because Tigers have stripes and that infringes on their uniform patent. Get over it!!!!
Enron. Thank you and goodnight.
Please stop innovating new software products. Don't you know they can be exploited.
Always keep in mind that for everything you think it good, it is always twice as bad.
If you don't believe me, just ask Internet tech writers and bloggers.
I understand you have to target the business desktop world, but I am not really interested in all of this business of having a unified desktop and now a unified package management system.
I, and many others, have CHOSEN Linux because we wanted the power to choose. One man's apt is another man's yum, is another man's yast and so on.
The more I realize that all you need to get your article posted on the Internet anymore is to have the patience to actually type up the crap you want to spew.
Between Solaris killing Linux, Bill Gates telling me that my passwords are obsolete, and Steve Ballmer telling me that my free Linux OS somehow costs more than Windows, I now have this mechanical brick on the floor and I don't know what to do with it.
How many of those messages come from either @msn.com or @hotmail.com.
That would be poetic justice.
I guess Billy and Suzy won't be able to sneak off behind the equipment room on the other side of the football field anymore.
He will probably never have to deal with the RIAA ever.
You can't even sell NBA Live 2004 in 2004. You have to sell NBA Live 2005.
You have all these people that don't really have to to be accountable for what they say and need to fill space and can just saturate the medium with information about anything.
So some guy just decides he is going to throw it out there that MP3 is dying.
It is always some off the cuff remark that they use to stir it up. Broadband is dying. The desktop PC is dying. So on and so forth.
It sounds like they think MP3 is dying because people just are not comfortable without as much DRM in their lives as they can get.
None of these people have much credibility with me.
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=125644&thre shold=1&commentsort=0&tid=217&mode=thread&cid=1052 4952
Be on the lookout for Google 2005. Codename Googlehorn. It will be running Gbrower, GFs, Gmail, Goffice, Gplayer, Google-IM for instant messaging, and Google-er for "image" viewing.
Day after day, one guy has a problem with something and then the old blanket statement that it is no good comes out.
I know people running HD on all kind of equipment and providers and they don't have the problems that this guy has.
I run HD at home on a cable company provided box with cable company provided cables on a 42" Mitsubishi projection TV and it looks freaking awesome. Now if someone wants to say there are not enough channels yet, I will listen to that. But if somebody can't figure out how to get their hardware to work right, take it to the other sites where people still can't change the time on their VCR.
This is probably the same guy who's Windows XP crashes all the time, or the same guy who says KDE and Gnome are slow on his P4 3.6 Gig processor and his 2 gigs of RAM.
Thanks for the information. It is interesting that 8 out of 10 are political articles in some way shape or form. I would have never thought that.
Interesting.
A few points.
1. I support Kerry over Bush.
2. However, this is the NY Times, which is biased towards Bush, so I am not taking this report as gospel.
3. This article is pushing 2500 posts/replies. I have never seen an article with this much activity. Does anyone else remember one with this much activity and what the subject matter was.
Don't forget my least favorite word in the corporate tech dictionary..."legacy"
I prefer "old"
We'd be nuts to outsource,' a top IT executive at Wal-Mart replies."
No shit, if you pay them like you pay everybody else I am sure you are saving money instead of paying those high $$$ Indian salaries.
The bandwidth question is the same one I would be worried about. That is a lot of freaking data.
I have Tivo and a 1Mbps cable connection so it sounds cool. But if we are talking multi GB downloads, even overnight might not be enough to get a movie downloaded. Probably has to run while you are at work.
Without even knowing how their network is setup, I think they should upgrade it.
This is a very ambitious undertaking.
It really does. It seems logical that since most people just assume Google is the only search engine anyway, that a Google Browser would seem to be a logical step in the company's progression.
HOWEVER, I am a little worried that at some point, people want so much to fight one monster that they create another to combat it.
Google search, GMAIL, the big IPO, GBrowser........GOffice for your web based DOC sharing, etc, etc, etc.
I like Google Search and I like GMAIL, but at the same time, whenever I see a company heading down the road to tell me that I should use them for my "complete online computing experience", I do feel a little uncomfortable.
I am not saying that is the case, and I am not saying any of this is bad. I like what Google is doing right now because new innovation is a good thing. But at the same time, I am aware of another company that wants everything I use to have their name attached to it and I am always keeping both eyes open.
I mean in all seriousness that this is great. Say what you want about Bill and M$'s business, practices, but when it comes to charity, Bill puts his money where his mouth is.
.net with Mono. They may try Debian, but they might be waiting on Sarge to be released before making a commitment.
My question is this? With the raging debate that goes on about Linux on the desktop, do you think the PC's in this building will be running Gnome or KDE as the default.
I am assuming they will be running Fedora, but I guess Suse is a possibility. But then maybe Bill won't allow them to run Suse since they are run by Novell, who is trying to rip off
I personally switched because I found that most of the apps I liked were GTK based apps. But I had always gone against GNOME because I liked KDE better just because it is more configurable.
But I always thought that all of those GTK apps looked like crap and did not integrate as well as I wanted them too.
So I switched to GNOME and really like it now. Everything is more easily integrated and looks better for things like PAN, GAIM, Evolution, the new RealPlayer, etc.
If it were just the desktop, I like KDE better. But I prefer the Gnome apps.
That is my take.
Let me begin by saying that I switch back and forth between Enlightenment and Gnome/KDE, so I am familiar with both sides of the argument. For the record, this takes place on a PIII 800 laptop with 256MB of RAM so I am in the middle of the curve. But I never have performance complaints with any of these. They all run better than Windows.
That being said.......
I see the point of wanting something lightweight on underpowered hardware. That is where the the Openbox's and XFCE's of the world come in. But what about those who have a big machine. If it can handle it, why not have something that can take advantage of it. It would seem to me that there should be a niche for that. Hardware specs will keeping increasing, not decreasing. So therefore, why wouldn't a GNOME or KDE take advantage of that.
I see more variance from distro to distro than I do from window manager to window manager. For instance, Gnome on Fedora to me is much slower than Gnome on Gentoo or Debian. But that is just me.
You can drive a Hyundai because it gets you where you want to go and gets great gas mileage, but that Corvette sure is good looking and fun to drive. And quite fast I might add.
Absolutely freaking right. I don't really put a lot of stock in what he says. When he comes out with his own original idea, then I might give him some credibility.
I wholeheartedly agree, and I would take it one step futher. Applications should be added by the user.
For example, I use Firefox. So let's say I want to use Gnome. In both Gentoo and Debian, you have to download Mozilla (including Mozilla Mail and News)if you want to use Gnome. I don't want Mozilla, I want Firefox. Let's say I don't want Evolution, and I want MUTT, or in my case, I just skip email clients altogether and go web based.
Well it will pull Evolution anyway.
I just wish you could get GNOME, and then add on what you want afterwards. KDE is a little different because it is Keverything, but still I wish the same there.
Let me decide what email client I want, what medial player I want, what IM client I want, etc.
I know I can go the way of Enlightenment, Openbox, etc and on occasion I do. But it sure it nice to not have to edit config files to change my wallpaper or menus. I prefer configuring a GUI through the GUI. Seems to make more sense
I have not read all the posts yet, but since this is a GNOME article go ahead and queue up the people who say KDE is better.
And queue up the minimalistic zealots who wonder why everyone runs KDE and GNOME when they run FVWM/Openbox/WindowMaker, etc because it just does what they want it to and nothing more. And my favorite, "it is so lightweight" "It puts no strain on my Dual Athlon, 1GB RAM system."
And queue me up as saying why the hell do those people feel they need to post in a GNOME forum if they don't like it.
It's called choice people, as in "freedom of".