.I said nothing about any mention of the phrase "separation of church and state" and nothing about any founding fathers being taken out of context. Try placing a cotton ball in your ear and reread the post so that it doesn't go in one side and out the other without soaking in. If you don't like the first amendment then try doing something to change it instead of wasting your time here trying to convince people that this is not a first amendment issue.
IMO the 9th circuit was correct that the
Pledge is unconstitutional. My reasoning is simply this:
The first amendment states: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;..., yet Congress themselves added the phrase "under God" in 1954 and made it law. USC Title 4 Chapter 1 Section 4 states:
Pledge of allegiance to the flag; manner of delivery
The
Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag, ''I pledge allegiance to the Flag of
the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands,
one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.'',
should be rendered by standing at attention facing the flag with the
right hand over the heart. When not in uniform men should remove their
headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the
hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent,
face the flag, and render the military salute.
Congress
did exactly what it is prohibited from doing, it made a law respecting
an establishment of religion. As much as some may disagree with this it
is IMO a true examination of the facts...
your software if it's not enforcable? Who cares about Forbes negative light? BTW, I can see from the list of features in SCO's OpenServer that it includes Samba but I couldn't find the source code to download. Does anyone know where the source code is for Openserver?
This guy's really a goofball trying to make the argument against diversity as a tool to gain fault tolerance. NASA makes the argument for diversity in life-critical software systems and NIST studies show it's value in High Assurance Systems. KLabs has found the use of diverse and redundant systems on spacecraft offers high protection against failures due to
design deficiencies and that it can offer lower cost where the backup system is used as a lifeboat for the primary system.
I currently have now plans on switching providers but I've had this number now for 2 years and regardless of hardware issues it would be very impractical to try to get a new number to all of the clients that have my current number. I may not even know who some of them are since they could be potential clients that got my number from someone else without my knowledge.
Chris Sontag, SCO: I'm not sure that it can't be. The question becomes, will it? Beyond the 80 or so lines of code that we show under nondisclosure to interested parties, we have identified some examples of more than a million lines of code that have gone into Linux in the form of programs and files such as NUMA (non-uniform memory access), RCU (read, copy, update), and the JFS (the Journal File System from AIX). I haven't seen anyone in the Linux community racing to remove these million lines of code from Linux yet. And even if this code were to be removed, should not SCO receive some kind of compensation from those commercial users whose businesses benefited from using it? It's much more than an issue of cleaning.
I sure wish we could get a lead on what they're smokin'. I still say it surpasses anything that's ever been discovered anywhere else on the planet.
You could start with Mr. Fanger, the owner of ataconnect.org, the site pointed out in Dave's article. To save you some time I've run the whois for you in advance...
ataconnect.org
Registrant:
Fanger, Robert (ATACONNECT-DOM)
Fanger Communications
238 S. Meridian St.
Ste. 210
Indianapolis, IN 46225
US
Domain Name: ATACONNECT.ORG
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Fanger, Robert (DUMHRQNOBI) rfanger@fangercom.com
Fanger Communications
238 S. Meridian St.
Ste. 210
Indianapolis, IN 46225
US
317-636-7635
Record expires on 12-Oct-2004.
Record created on 08-Sep-2002.
Database last updated on 5-Oct-2003 11:36:03 EDT.
These are the same guys that were ordered by the FTC to stop falsely advertising renewal services, isn't it?
Yes, I'm one of the ones that complained to the Postal Service when I received my fraudulent renewal service from them via the U.S. Mail. I surely hope they lose their registrar service as well. They're almost as low as spammers Then again, I'm waiting for Darl McBride to announce that SCO owns BIND and that they intend to sue internet for using it.
We like having bowling ball contests at rocket meets. Check out the 2003 results at http://www.ahpra.org/BBL03results.htm The best shot this year was 6416 feet with a 16 pound ball:-)
Ahhh, but section 14 of their "Terms of Use" says,
"AGREEMENT TO BE BOUND.
By using the service(s) provided by VeriSign under these Terms of Use, you acknowledge that you have read and agree to be bound by all terms and conditions here in and documents incorporated by reference. "
so there would be no point in a "Disagree" button. By using their DNS service to get to their page in the first place you have been bound by their "Terms of Use" under the conditions of section 14.
You might pay special attention to section 12 too, it's really a hoot. It states,
"INDEMNITY.
You agree to release, indemnify, defend and hold harmless VeriSign, and any of our contractors, subcontractors, members, agents, employees, officers, directors, shareholders, affiliates and assigns from all liabilities, claims, damages, costs and expenses, including reasonable attorneys' fees and expenses, relating to or arising out of (a) these Terms of Use, (b) the VeriSign Services or your use of such services, including without limitation infringement or dilution by you, or someone else using our service(s) from your computer, (c) any intellectual property or other proprietary right of any person or entity, or (d) a violation of any of our operating rules or policies relating to the service(s) provided. When we are threatened with suit or sued by a third party, we may seek written assurances from you concerning your promise to indemnify us; your failure to provide those assurances may be considered by us to be a material breach of these Terms of Use. We shall have the right to participate in any defense by you of a third-party claim related to your use of any of the VeriSign services, with counsel of our choice at our own expense. We shall reasonably cooperate in the defense at your request and expense. You shall have sole responsibility to defend us against any claim, but you must receive our prior written consent regarding any related settlement. "
Basically it says if they get sued by a third party they expect you to indemnify them in writing. If you fail to do so they can consider you in breach of their terms and they get to pick the lawyer you use to defend yourself at your expense.
Of course if you don't like their terms they say you can just not use their services. This basically means you can't surf any.net or.com addresses by name since they provide the DNS services for those TLDs. I don't know what they've been smoking but it's obviously much better than anything else that's ever been discovered on the planet. You probably don't even have to inhale it. I'd be careful, it might be strong enough to get you high just by reading their terms over the web. Just look what it did to Darl McBride
Warning!!! Your system has been infected. Windows Media Player 9.0 is known to work only when the Microsoft Windows virus is present. As to your question, you might wish to use mplayer when you get linux reinstalled.
arseholes that sent me an expiry notice on a domain that I had just renewed for 2 years with my original registrar and had never had it listed with them in the first place. Fortunately my false and misleading notice came in the US Mail so the postmaster was quite happy to take up their fraudulent use of the mail.
are properly configured and how many are simply running the default installation settings? There are a lot of Windoze people setting up Linux boxes that don't even know how to secure it. Me thinks this analysis may not be comparing apples with apples...
I wouldn't be. Apple likely planned this from the onset. If they made it easy for people to simply buy another cheap copy for 99 and technically difficult to resale that copy they guarantee themselves additional sales.
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.I said nothing about any mention of the phrase "separation of church and state" and nothing about any founding fathers being taken out of context. Try placing a cotton ball in your ear and reread the post so that it doesn't go in one side and out the other without soaking in. If you don't like the first amendment then try doing something to change it instead of wasting your time here trying to convince people that this is not a first amendment issue.
The first amendment states: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;..., yet Congress themselves added the phrase "under God" in 1954 and made it law. USC Title 4 Chapter 1 Section 4 states:
Pledge of allegiance to the flag; manner of delivery
The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag, ''I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.'', should be rendered by standing at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. When not in uniform men should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the flag, and render the military salute.
Congress did exactly what it is prohibited from doing, it made a law respecting an establishment of religion. As much as some may disagree with this it is IMO a true examination of the facts...
your software if it's not enforcable? Who cares about Forbes negative light? BTW, I can see from the list of features in SCO's OpenServer that it includes Samba but I couldn't find the source code to download. Does anyone know where the source code is for Openserver?
and the dual 5.25 floppy drives to go with it...
This guy's really a goofball trying to make the argument against diversity as a tool to gain fault tolerance. NASA makes the argument for diversity in life-critical software systems and NIST studies show it's value in High Assurance Systems. KLabs has found the use of diverse and redundant systems on spacecraft offers high protection against failures due to design deficiencies and that it can offer lower cost where the backup system is used as a lifeboat for the primary system.
I currently have now plans on switching providers but I've had this number now for 2 years and regardless of hardware issues it would be very impractical to try to get a new number to all of the clients that have my current number. I may not even know who some of them are since they could be potential clients that got my number from someone else without my knowledge.
You've said that the offending code cannot be 'cleaned' from Linux. Why not?
Chris Sontag, SCO:
I'm not sure that it can't be. The question becomes, will it? Beyond the 80 or so lines of code that we show under nondisclosure to interested parties, we have identified some examples of more than a million lines of code that have gone into Linux in the form of programs and files such as NUMA (non-uniform memory access), RCU (read, copy, update), and the JFS (the Journal File System from AIX). I haven't seen anyone in the Linux community racing to remove these million lines of code from Linux yet. And even if this code were to be removed, should not SCO receive some kind of compensation from those commercial users whose businesses benefited from using it? It's much more than an issue of cleaning.
I sure wish we could get a lead on what they're smokin'. I still say it surpasses anything that's ever been discovered anywhere else on the planet.
This list is the top 50, not the bottom 50...
I figured I'd help you find some candle girls but that didn't work either :-(
I'm the only one to actually post Mr. Fanger's phone number and it is my post that is redundant...Hmm...
Registrant:
Fanger, Robert (ATACONNECT-DOM)
Fanger Communications
238 S. Meridian St.
Ste. 210
Indianapolis, IN 46225
US
Domain Name: ATACONNECT.ORG
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Fanger, Robert (DUMHRQNOBI) rfanger@fangercom.com
Fanger Communications
238 S. Meridian St.
Ste. 210
Indianapolis, IN 46225
US
317-636-7635
Record expires on 12-Oct-2004.
Record created on 08-Sep-2002.
Database last updated on 5-Oct-2003 11:36:03 EDT.
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.WEST-DATACENTER.NET 69.36.161.11
NS2.WEST-DATACENTER.NET 69.36.161.12
It shouldn't be to difficult from here to try http://www.switchboard.com/ to locate his home number.
HTH
Yes, I'm one of the ones that complained to the Postal Service when I received my fraudulent renewal service from them via the U.S. Mail. I surely hope they lose their registrar service as well. They're almost as low as spammers Then again, I'm waiting for Darl McBride to announce that SCO owns BIND and that they intend to sue internet for using it.
We like having bowling ball contests at rocket meets. Check out the 2003 results at http://www.ahpra.org/BBL03results.htm The best shot this year was 6416 feet with a 16 pound ball :-)
" AGREEMENT TO BE BOUND.
By using the service(s) provided by VeriSign under these Terms of Use, you acknowledge that you have read and agree to be bound by all terms and conditions here in and documents incorporated by reference. "
so there would be no point in a "Disagree" button. By using their DNS service to get to their page in the first place you have been bound by their "Terms of Use" under the conditions of section 14.
You might pay special attention to section 12 too, it's really a hoot. It states,
"INDEMNITY.
You agree to release, indemnify, defend and hold harmless VeriSign, and any of our contractors, subcontractors, members, agents, employees, officers, directors, shareholders, affiliates and assigns from all liabilities, claims, damages, costs and expenses, including reasonable attorneys' fees and expenses, relating to or arising out of (a) these Terms of Use, (b) the VeriSign Services or your use of such services, including without limitation infringement or dilution by you, or someone else using our service(s) from your computer, (c) any intellectual property or other proprietary right of any person or entity, or (d) a violation of any of our operating rules or policies relating to the service(s) provided. When we are threatened with suit or sued by a third party, we may seek written assurances from you concerning your promise to indemnify us; your failure to provide those assurances may be considered by us to be a material breach of these Terms of Use. We shall have the right to participate in any defense by you of a third-party claim related to your use of any of the VeriSign services, with counsel of our choice at our own expense. We shall reasonably cooperate in the defense at your request and expense. You shall have sole responsibility to defend us against any claim, but you must receive our prior written consent regarding any related settlement. "
Basically it says if they get sued by a third party they expect you to indemnify them in writing. If you fail to do so they can consider you in breach of their terms and they get to pick the lawyer you use to defend yourself at your expense.
Of course if you don't like their terms they say you can just not use their services. This basically means you can't surf any .net or .com addresses by name since they provide the DNS services for those TLDs. I don't know what they've been smoking but it's obviously much better than anything else that's ever been discovered on the planet. You probably don't even have to inhale it. I'd be careful, it might be strong enough to get you high just by reading their terms over the web. Just look what it did to Darl McBride
Warning!!! Your system has been infected. Windows Media Player 9.0 is known to work only when the Microsoft Windows virus is present. As to your question, you might wish to use mplayer when you get linux reinstalled.
This looks like a great opportunity to hand out Linux Live CDs like Knoppix.
Just because the 5% decided to jump off a cliff doesn't mean we need to follow them. You related to the Pied Piper?
a glimpse at Hyperphase's patent looks like it was to narrowly defined to begin with. Me thinks their lawyer's should have known better.
Problem is that they show Linux as a fork off of Minix when in fact Linus declared that his new kernal was free of any minix code when he introduced it to the world in comp.os.minix on 25 Aug '91... http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1991Aug25.205 708.9541%40klaava.Helsinki.FI&output=gplain
If someone asked ole Darl the SCOInformationMinister this question he might just try to sue all the spammers for us...
If so, I call dibs on Darl McBride...
I treid to tset it wtih all cpas but the laemenss flietr wno't aollw it...
arseholes that sent me an expiry notice on a domain that I had just renewed for 2 years with my original registrar and had never had it listed with them in the first place. Fortunately my false and misleading notice came in the US Mail so the postmaster was quite happy to take up their fraudulent use of the mail.
are properly configured and how many are simply running the default installation settings? There are a lot of Windoze people setting up Linux boxes that don't even know how to secure it. Me thinks this analysis may not be comparing apples with apples...
I wouldn't be. Apple likely planned this from the onset. If they made it easy for people to simply buy another cheap copy for 99 and technically difficult to resale that copy they guarantee themselves additional sales.