The people here bashing Stallman are not BSD-folks, they are LINUX folks that don't want to put GNU in the title, or don't like they way RMS tries to associate with Linux.
You say you don't mind the BSD license, yet you make a covert (and inaccurate) attack on those who use it by making out they are the bad guys here. License issues haven't even been mentioned, but congratulations on trying to bring back the BSD v. GPL argument with YOUR personal attacks on one 'set' of people.
And you get modded +5 - You can tell what OS'es the moderators run....
> Well, a lot of programmers just chose the BSD because "everyone" > says it is so much freer and simpler. These programmers are > contributing code OSS and expect others to be of similiar mind > and contribute back as well. Unfortunately some people will take > advantage of them and now the authors are agrieved.
All hearsay, and no substantiation.
Congratulations for getting so much FUD into such a small paragraph.
> Go a few miles slower and the traffic will be more "smooth" > and global highway capacity will increase: the net effect will > be that more cars wil go over a milestone on a time frame, and > contrary to common sense everybody will arrive faster to their > destinies.
The slower the cars are travelling, the less distance required between each car, therefore the higher number of cars that can be on the road at the same time, therefore the increased capacity of the road..
>> NO REGISTRY! I've seen many a 3.4 Ghz P4 system cripled to the >> equivalent of a 300 mhz Celeron because their registry (an >> unbelievably stupid concept) was fscked
> The point of the registry is to hide (through obscurity) portions > of the operations of the computer from the computer owner. > > An amazing concept, but most copy protection in Windows appears to > be done via obscure registry flags and codes hidden therein.
The problem with the registry is that they use a single file on a windows filesystem. If the registry keys were (say) files within a "registry folder" the common problem the GP mentions would be solved - my problem with the registry is not the idea of it, but its implementation.
I don't actually disagree with your general point, but I'm sure there are many out there who don't listen to BBC radio.. I have a TV, and pay the license fee, but rarely use it. I listen to bbc radio even more rarely
... and for those of us that don't watch tv, OR listen to bbc radio ?
There are many different solutions - some are fairer than others, but don't simply assume the fairest is the one that's fairer based on the way YOU use the BBC.
I just knew this topic would generate another GPL vs. BSD argument - I really don't know why people write such long replies to the topic - it's all been said before, and whichever side you're on, you won't change the mind of the other side.
There are those that don't want evil MS and others using their code.
And there are those that want their code used to make the computing world a better place.
With all the legalise, politics, and fanboyism of the GPL, I'm firmly on the BSD side, but nothing I say will change your mind, and nothing you say will change mine.
BT isn't designed for piracy - it's perfect for distribution of something from a 'parent' without using all of it's bandwidth, but isn't really ideal as a true "p2p" program.
The fact people use it for p2p should PLEASE the RIAA/MIAA etc. as it's so much easier to get the list of downloaders of a BT delivered file than it is with a true p2p program.
> If the spammer is living in China (i.e., mainland China, Taiwan, or Hong Kong > and if this spammer sends e-mail notes to the e-mail address of an American children, > how do the authorities plan to enforce this law. There is no extradition treaty > between China and the USA.
Not relevant.
Unless it was done *in* Utah or Michigan, the law hasn't been broken.. Just like you aren't breaking the law if you do certain things that in China would be unlawful.
> So, although the "answer" to the CAPTCHA is provided an > actual human, you can still pinpoint mass registrations > and the like to a single group of IP addresses in most > cases, because the users are not the ones interacting with your application. > This becomes a network problem rather than an application
Surely this issue had been cracked by the spammers (using zombies or whatever) otherwise there would never have been a big need for CAPTCHA in the first place...
> and I can't download it as I have a 56K modem and no burner anyway.
I downloaded 5.1 when I was on a 56K modem - hardly major, and then cvsupped to 5.2, 5.2.1, and 5.3 all via modem, keeping all 900odd ports uptodate too.
You should change banks if you have to use IE to access their site.. That's probably the most important-to-be-secure site you access, so making you use IE for it would be a bit daft.
There is no excuse - especially these days - for professional sites to not work with any browser.. Maybe a glitch here and there, but the "this site only works in IE" has surely at last been resigned to the history books for serious web sites, stuck only with the marginals, the lamer free sites, and obscure cowboy designed sites.
I know many sites were IE only a few years back, but things HAVE changed since then, and most serious commerce sites back then that were IE only now work with anything.. It would just be commercial suicide not to...
Campaining for a site to not be "IE specific" is now much more successful, as it's seen much less as some fringe-geeky-zealotry
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Wine doesn't just run on Linux....
Are we reading the same posts ?
The people here bashing Stallman are not BSD-folks, they are LINUX folks that don't want to put GNU in the title, or don't like they way RMS tries to associate with Linux.
You say you don't mind the BSD license, yet you make a covert (and inaccurate) attack on those who use it by making out they are the bad guys here. License issues haven't even been mentioned, but congratulations on trying to bring back the BSD v. GPL argument with YOUR personal attacks on one 'set' of people.
And you get modded +5 - You can tell what OS'es the moderators run....
Classic FUD, but kudos for the subtle troll.
If you think about it, this sounds quite similar to the way Freenet works.
Is there anything more reduntant and pointless than yet another BSD v. GPL discussion on Slashdot ?
It's all been said before guys.
> Well, a lot of programmers just chose the BSD because "everyone"
> says it is so much freer and simpler. These programmers are
> contributing code OSS and expect others to be of similiar mind
> and contribute back as well. Unfortunately some people will take
> advantage of them and now the authors are agrieved.
All hearsay, and no substantiation.
Congratulations for getting so much FUD into such a small paragraph.
Is that the one that would force them to distribute their binaries dynamically linking against the libaries, causing potential dependency issues...
Ever tried keeping a binary-only distribution that only uses dynamic libaries working on all the Linux/BSDs out there ?
> Go a few miles slower and the traffic will be more "smooth"
> and global highway capacity will increase: the net effect will
> be that more cars wil go over a milestone on a time frame, and
> contrary to common sense everybody will arrive faster to their
> destinies.
The slower the cars are travelling, the less distance required between each car, therefore the higher number of cars that can be on the road at the same time, therefore the increased capacity of the road..
THAT seems common sense to me!
>> NO REGISTRY! I've seen many a 3.4 Ghz P4 system cripled to the
>> equivalent of a 300 mhz Celeron because their registry (an
>> unbelievably stupid concept) was fscked
> The point of the registry is to hide (through obscurity) portions
> of the operations of the computer from the computer owner.
>
> An amazing concept, but most copy protection in Windows appears to
> be done via obscure registry flags and codes hidden therein.
The problem with the registry is that they use a single file on a windows filesystem. If the registry keys were (say) files within a "registry folder" the common problem the GP mentions would be solved - my problem with the registry is not the idea of it, but its implementation.
The geek WAS the girl, and the bloke was her b/f
It's the girls site!
Errrr, January 2003 ?
>> I just knew this topic would generate another GPL vs. BSD argument
:blush: I did, sorry. Right thread, wrong post. Sorry, my reply was not directed at you.
> I can't help but wonder if you replied to the wrong post?
Oops
I don't actually disagree with your general point, but I'm sure there are many out there who don't listen to BBC radio.. I have a TV, and pay the license fee, but rarely use it. I listen to bbc radio even more rarely
... and for those of us that don't watch tv, OR listen to bbc radio ?
There are many different solutions - some are fairer than others, but don't simply assume the fairest is the one that's fairer based on the way YOU use the BBC.
I just knew this topic would generate another GPL vs. BSD argument - I really don't know why people write such long replies to the topic - it's all been said before, and whichever side you're on, you won't change the mind of the other side.
There are those that don't want evil MS and others using their code.
And there are those that want their code used to make the computing world a better place.
With all the legalise, politics, and fanboyism of the GPL, I'm firmly on the BSD side, but nothing I say will change your mind, and nothing you say will change mine.
BT isn't designed for piracy - it's perfect for distribution of something from a 'parent' without using all of it's bandwidth, but isn't really ideal as a true "p2p" program.
The fact people use it for p2p should PLEASE the RIAA/MIAA etc. as it's so much easier to get the list of downloaders of a BT delivered file than it is with a true p2p program.
> If the spammer is living in China (i.e., mainland China, Taiwan, or Hong Kong
> and if this spammer sends e-mail notes to the e-mail address of an American children,
> how do the authorities plan to enforce this law. There is no extradition treaty
> between China and the USA.
Not relevant.
Unless it was done *in* Utah or Michigan, the law hasn't been broken.. Just like you aren't breaking the law if you do certain things that in China would be unlawful.
> Pedantics. I am not up for it.
That's PEDANTS
HTH
You've just described gnutella, with the PFS (partial file transfer) and TIGERTREE extensions, both of which are deployed already in most clients.
(http://gtk-gnutella.sourceforge.net/)
Netcraft confirms: Linux is dead
> That's because penguins aren't usually associated with evil ;)
Watch out for the Penguin of Death !
> You bastard, I was drinking coffee when I read that
:)
> and almost spat it all over my new monitor.
Sod's law how this always seems to happen to people with new monitors or keyboards
> So, although the "answer" to the CAPTCHA is provided an
> actual human, you can still pinpoint mass registrations
> and the like to a single group of IP addresses in most
> cases, because the users are not the ones interacting with your application.
> This becomes a network problem rather than an application
Surely this issue had been cracked by the spammers (using zombies or whatever) otherwise there would never have been a big need for CAPTCHA in the first place...
> and I can't download it as I have a 56K modem and no burner anyway.
I downloaded 5.1 when I was on a 56K modem - hardly major, and then cvsupped to 5.2, 5.2.1, and 5.3 all via modem, keeping all 900odd ports uptodate too.
I wish I had such a successful business I could blindly turn away 1 in 10 potential customers.
Remember, there is NO PENALTY in designing a page that works in everything...
There is no rule that says if you 'design' for the other 10% all your pages will be black and white and featureless!
You should change banks if you have to use IE to access their site.. That's probably the most important-to-be-secure site you access, so making you use IE for it would be a bit daft.
There is no excuse - especially these days - for professional sites to not work with any browser.. Maybe a glitch here and there, but the "this site only works in IE" has surely at last been resigned to the history books for serious web sites, stuck only with the marginals, the lamer free sites, and obscure cowboy designed sites.
I know many sites were IE only a few years back, but things HAVE changed since then, and most serious commerce sites back then that were IE only now work with anything.. It would just be commercial suicide not to...
Campaining for a site to not be "IE specific" is now much more successful, as it's seen much less as some fringe-geeky-zealotry