Is it just me, or was that first paragraph darn near incomprehensible? Oh well, what else would you expect from timothy (except maybe to see this ad again tomorrow)?
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I really hope there's more stuff like Stewart on Crossfire since that has a lot more power to change the world for the better
How did that "change the world" at all, let alone for the better? Crossfire may be gone, but Tucker Carlson has his own show now. That's better?
Can you imagine being quizzed by yourhusband about how many loads of laundry you did a certain day and then having him insist you come with him to see on the computers about how you were WRONG and you were OFF BY ONE?
I've been married for 28 years, largely by studiously avoiding that sort of behavior. I'm frankly surprised the guy is still alive, let alone still married.
The Berks County newspaper that writes about this comes out looking mighty fine, with a spelling mistake in the f'ing HEADLINE of the article, and at least three more in the article itself.
Maybe the damn editor should go back to high school.
Aside from your argument being weak, it is also misplaced. I clearly implied in my post that I do not consider copyright law ethical and that I wish it to be reformed. I choose to pass on options (1) and (2) you have given me and go for (3) non-violent resistance to the unjust law -- a resistance which gives me no profit and hurts only the richest and only very slightly; that coupled with raising awareness about the law's harmful effects and doing what I can to change it, or to get rid of it altogether.
This is the lamest justification I've heard on/. in a long time. "I can't afford to buy CD's because I'm a loser who can't stop smoking or playing on-line games even though I have no money, so I'll adopt a high-falutin' anti-copyright moral tone and just take whatever I feel like." Stop smoking cigarettes -- there's 5 bucks a day easy. Stop playin WoW. Maybe even -- GASP! -- get a fscking JOB!
It's bad enough that phones are vendor-locked so you can't use whatever provider you want
Gee, I've been with T-Mobile since Omnipoint days, had like 4-5 phones in that time -- some bought from them, some bought via eBay -- and every single time I've asked nicely to have them remove vendor-lock, I've had no problem whatsoever. Used the phones with all sorts of pre-pay SIMs all over Europe. I can honestly say "vendor lock? what's that?"
Many third world countries which never had land lines is skipping that step and going directly for wireless.
In many cases, this is because of regulatory reasons, and not technical/logistical ones. Cellular providers can move more quickly than a bureaucratically-entrenched state-monopoly PTT.
That's what you call an "incurable optimist". What about the last 10 years of US legislative or judicial history makes you think that the big media companies will ever let copyright expire? See, for instance, Capitol Records vs. Naxos
You are apparently not very conversant with email.
Uh, actually, I am.
I know I'm a moron for replying to an AC, but here goes. Picture this scenario: you get a subpoena or a discovery request for e-mail from the CFO from five years ago. You retrieve a tape from your archival storage company, and there's an audit trail showing it's been there for four years 11 months. Either the FBI agent or opposing counsel's expert looks over your shoulder while you restore from that tape onto a lab system, unconnected to anything else, running just your MTA of choice under your OS of choice. Let's say it's Notes. File date/time stamps are verified by you and the FBI guy. You then connect one other (verified and trusted) system to your message store, running the MUA of choice. You open the CFO's mailbox and retrieve the requested e-mails. At what point were you able to insert something into the message store?
Sure, I know how to telnet to port 25 and run the appropriate SMTP commands. So what? How do I modify that old message store? Say it's a Notes or GroupWise database?
Sounds to me like you are not very conversant with enterprise-scale e-mail systems, but just learned how to spoof SMTP.
Actually, I've come to the opposite conclusion. I don't know every e-mail system, and I don't know what Morgan Stanley was using, but I have administered serious e-mail systems for about 15 years, and I can tell you that in many, it is in fact very difficult to insert a fake message into the message store in the right place, with the right semantic context. Don't forget that in all these cases the recovery is from (presumably) dated and logged backup tapes, possibly under the observation of opposing counsel's expert, and under penalty of perjury. So go ahead, tell me how you insert (or even alter) a message into a multi-gigabyte message store coming off a tape that's been archived and logged at Iron Mountain for the last five years. Will it have the right SMTP transit headers? The correct "In-Reply-To:"? What about the context of the message? Are you replying to someone? Do they later reply to you? Does it all fit together? This is a distinctly non-trivial exercise. Possible, yes, but maybe only theoretically so. And the grunt doing the recovery is *very unlikely* to want to risk going to jail to cover up some fraud he was probably never associated with.
So it's friday night and i'm spending it reading the posts around the public discussion i had with Tom http://h20276.www2.hp.com/blogs/gee/2005/04/12/111 3321761000.html which started in earnest today.
He starts off by needlessly telling us he's working on a Friday night, as if this is some indicator that he's taking the issue seriously...
Maybe he's just trying to make the point that he's just some guy, like you or me, who reads Slashdot. It's called making a human connection.
to be honest, when tom posted yesterday, i was travelling back west from the east coast and didn't know his post was removed until i got into the office this morning PST and reversed the decision which is being so passionately debated here.
...then nicely avoids holding anyone responsible for removing the posting, yet claims responsibility for fixing the problem...
Maybe he doesn't want to/doesn't need to/can't expose internal issues. If he fired his administrative assistant over this, would you want him to tell you that? Could he?
We run a commercial enterprise which lives and dies by our ability to build and deliver value to our customers from the largest enterprises to the home user - whether they be printers, PCs, servers, storage, services and of course management software. There are tens thousands of hard working people at HP, just like me who show up every day driven by this passion to deliver customer value.
Maybe this is the corporate mission statement, and he actually believes in it. Is delivering value to customers a bad thing?
We may not be perfect
...tries to paint his critics as people demanding perfection...
Nowhere does he do that. Maybe it's just a guy eating crow.
, but we strive to do what's right.
...then asks us to judge him on his intentions, not his actions.
Neither his intentions nor his actions were reprehensible.
This is shameless responsibility avoidance. Take an ethics class, David Gee.
I'm wondering what more you want. Guy not only recognizes the wrong thing was done and reverses it, he goes over to the very public forum of his primary critics (looks like he created an account just for this event) and publicly apologizes. Would you be man enough to do that?
No, I don't know either party and have no connection of any sort with HP.
I find it astoundingly hypocritical how you could write two long paragraphs about how you, in essence, stole money from HP, then finish that off with a sig saying "Do the Right Thing". If you really did what you described in your story, that was -- at best -- dishonest. Doing "the Right Thing" would, of course, have been sending them the receipt for the modem you actually kept and used, in case you are too ethically challenged to be aware of that.
Read some history, dammit. This has been the case for ove 150 years. Have you ever heard of Jay Gould? Andrew Carnegie? John D. Rockefeller? Do you know who Warren G. Harding was? Standard Oil?
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Is it just me, or was that first paragraph darn near incomprehensible? Oh well, what else would you expect from timothy (except maybe to see this ad again tomorrow)?
How did that "change the world" at all, let alone for the better? Crossfire may be gone, but Tucker Carlson has his own show now. That's better?
People who don't know these things should not be running networks.
I've been married for 28 years, largely by studiously avoiding that sort of behavior. I'm frankly surprised the guy is still alive, let alone still married.
Maybe the damn editor should go back to high school.
This is the lamest justification I've heard on /. in a long time. "I can't afford to buy CD's because I'm a loser who can't stop smoking or playing on-line games even though I have no money, so I'll adopt a high-falutin' anti-copyright moral tone and just take whatever I feel like." Stop smoking cigarettes -- there's 5 bucks a day easy. Stop playin WoW. Maybe even -- GASP! -- get a fscking JOB!
I've never met anyone named "Prauge". How would you pronounce that? PROWJ?
Gee, I've been with T-Mobile since Omnipoint days, had like 4-5 phones in that time -- some bought from them, some bought via eBay -- and every single time I've asked nicely to have them remove vendor-lock, I've had no problem whatsoever. Used the phones with all sorts of pre-pay SIMs all over Europe. I can honestly say "vendor lock? what's that?"
Maybe you should just avoid VZW.
You do.
Where are you getting Dell 1905's for $250/ea? Al's Midnight Discount?
In many cases, this is because of regulatory reasons, and not technical/logistical ones. Cellular providers can move more quickly than a bureaucratically-entrenched state-monopoly PTT.
That's what you call an "incurable optimist". What about the last 10 years of US legislative or judicial history makes you think that the big media companies will ever let copyright expire? See, for instance, Capitol Records vs. Naxos
Here's somebody who hasn't been to a bookstore since 1973. Note from the time machine: hardcover academic books now typically cost north of US$100.
Sure, because we all know it's impossible to fake a Verisign cert.
Uh, actually, I am.
I know I'm a moron for replying to an AC, but here goes. Picture this scenario: you get a subpoena or a discovery request for e-mail from the CFO from five years ago. You retrieve a tape from your archival storage company, and there's an audit trail showing it's been there for four years 11 months. Either the FBI agent or opposing counsel's expert looks over your shoulder while you restore from that tape onto a lab system, unconnected to anything else, running just your MTA of choice under your OS of choice. Let's say it's Notes. File date/time stamps are verified by you and the FBI guy. You then connect one other (verified and trusted) system to your message store, running the MUA of choice. You open the CFO's mailbox and retrieve the requested e-mails. At what point were you able to insert something into the message store?
Sure, I know how to telnet to port 25 and run the appropriate SMTP commands. So what? How do I modify that old message store? Say it's a Notes or GroupWise database?
Sounds to me like you are not very conversant with enterprise-scale e-mail systems, but just learned how to spoof SMTP.
Actually, I've come to the opposite conclusion. I don't know every e-mail system, and I don't know what Morgan Stanley was using, but I have administered serious e-mail systems for about 15 years, and I can tell you that in many, it is in fact very difficult to insert a fake message into the message store in the right place, with the right semantic context. Don't forget that in all these cases the recovery is from (presumably) dated and logged backup tapes, possibly under the observation of opposing counsel's expert, and under penalty of perjury. So go ahead, tell me how you insert (or even alter) a message into a multi-gigabyte message store coming off a tape that's been archived and logged at Iron Mountain for the last five years. Will it have the right SMTP transit headers? The correct "In-Reply-To:"? What about the context of the message? Are you replying to someone? Do they later reply to you? Does it all fit together? This is a distinctly non-trivial exercise. Possible, yes, but maybe only theoretically so. And the grunt doing the recovery is *very unlikely* to want to risk going to jail to cover up some fraud he was probably never associated with.
Yes. It's called a "wallet".
What are you talking about? Extremities that cause deformities? Is this when your ass is so fat it deforms the credit card in your wallet?
Ever try washing your hands?
Uh, because most people would rather not look like a dork?
He starts off by needlessly telling us he's working on a Friday night, as if this is some indicator that he's taking the issue seriously...
Maybe he's just trying to make the point that he's just some guy, like you or me, who reads Slashdot. It's called making a human connection.
to be honest, when tom posted yesterday, i was travelling back west from the east coast and didn't know his post was removed until i got into the office this morning PST and reversed the decision which is being so passionately debated here.
Maybe he doesn't want to/doesn't need to/can't expose internal issues. If he fired his administrative assistant over this, would you want him to tell you that? Could he?
We run a commercial enterprise which lives and dies by our ability to build and deliver value to our customers from the largest enterprises to the home user - whether they be printers, PCs, servers, storage, services and of course management software. There are tens thousands of hard working people at HP, just like me who show up every day driven by this passion to deliver customer value.
Maybe this is the corporate mission statement, and he actually believes in it. Is delivering value to customers a bad thing?
We may not be perfect
Nowhere does he do that. Maybe it's just a guy eating crow.
, but we strive to do what's right.
Neither his intentions nor his actions were reprehensible.
This is shameless responsibility avoidance. Take an ethics class, David Gee.
I'm wondering what more you want. Guy not only recognizes the wrong thing was done and reverses it, he goes over to the very public forum of his primary critics (looks like he created an account just for this event) and publicly apologizes. Would you be man enough to do that?
No, I don't know either party and have no connection of any sort with HP.
I find it astoundingly hypocritical how you could write two long paragraphs about how you, in essence, stole money from HP, then finish that off with a sig saying "Do the Right Thing". If you really did what you described in your story, that was -- at best -- dishonest. Doing "the Right Thing" would, of course, have been sending them the receipt for the modem you actually kept and used, in case you are too ethically challenged to be aware of that.
I know I would vote for him.
So if you vote for Mark Spitzer, that will reduce Elliot Spitzer's chances of winning anything, won't it?
Maybe nobody has commented precisely because it is so obvious.
Read some history, dammit. This has been the case for ove 150 years. Have you ever heard of Jay Gould? Andrew Carnegie? John D. Rockefeller? Do you know who Warren G. Harding was? Standard Oil?