after we started beaming massive amounts of radio and tv into space
What with dispersion, atmospheric absorption, and general background interference from the sun and other far more powerful sources of radio waves, I reckon aliens would have a hard time picking up TV stations from mars, never mind light years away. I mean in real terms, what are the odds that anything except a very, very powerful radio telescope pointed directly towards earth and listening on the correct wavelengths is going to pick up anything but background static? Fairly minimal I reckon.
Besides which given another 200 years or so we are probably going to invent or discover some entirely new and far more efficient means of communication than radio, and the first scientist to turn it on is going to be blasted out the window by the storm of alien TV and radio he just tuned in to.
You're the one that brought up Iran and Korea, not me. As for hate, you're entitled to read what you want into my comments. Doesn't neccessarily make it an accurate interpretation, however. I merely present the facts in response to your comments.
Name me another large agency in the US goverment that has fewer alterior (sic) motives.
Thats like saying tuberculosis is better than aids, so we should all speak out in favour of TB...
I'd rather have Lockeed Marting(sic) building moon landers than building bombs
Yes but they use the moon lander technology to build better bombs. Therein lies the problem.
I'd bet that Iran, N. Korea etc.. might like to know how to deliver a small payload on a rocket with a sub-orbital tragectory(sic).
Well maybe if you stop fucking with their governments and let them sort it out themselves they might not have an incentive to lob bombs at you. Ever thought of that? And before responding, do me a favour and google saddam citizen detroit and us interference in iran. You made your own bed, buddy.
When I asked a professor point blank why the need for art and culture would develop through the course of evolution, he responded that he doesn't believe those traits would stem from evolution.
Just means my ancestors were some pretty fucking cool monkeys, baby.
They pursue one of the noblest of human endeavors... and in my mind are pretty detached from political and corporate bullshit and burracracy (sic).
If they are so noble and high of mind, why haven't they opened up their data and research to SC and the rest of them, so they aren't "decades behind"? Vested interests you say? Military funding, I hear? Say it ain't so! And if you think that NASA is in any way detached from politics and beaurocracy, you have a whole other think coming to you...
Sorry but anyone that can take the wall street journal seriously is off their heads. Last time I browsed through it it read like a betting rag, with the unwelcome addition of numerous religious "Jesus is my CEO!" type stories in there. I kept checking the front page to make sure that this was, indeed, the infamous wall street journal.
And in 50 years, they'll be at the top of the world in research, industry, and science
Actually the way I read it, this guy faked his research, and couldn't in fact replicate a suitable chip. So the Chinese at this point literally cannot make the chip. See thats what stealing technology without having a solid scientific background gets you; its one thing to copy a car design, something else entirely to try to make cutting edge hardware do something outside the specs of the model you stole. So they first have to do all the legwork already done by western companies, just to draw parity, then they have to advance to the level we will be at in 50 years.
Given that their government and society aren't meritocracies, I ain't too concerned...
I mean practically the whole script is mad scientist-y, a few of the classics...
Winston Zeddemore: Hey, wait a minute. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hold it. Now, are we actually gonna go before a federal judge, and tell him that some moldy Babylonian God is going to drop in on Central Park West, and start tearing up the city?
Dr. Egon Spengler: Sumerian, not Babylonian.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Yeah. Big difference.
Winston Zeddemore: No offense, guys, but I've gotta get my own lawyer.
Dr Ray Stantz: You know, it just occurred to me that we really haven't had a successful test of this equipment.
Dr. Egon Spengler: I blame myself.
Dr. Peter Venkman: So do I.
Dr Ray Stantz: Well, no sense in worrying about it now.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Why worry? Each one of us is carrying an unlicensed nuclear accelerator on his back.
Dana Barrett: You know, you don't act like a scientist.
Dr. Peter Venkman: They're usually pretty stiff.
Dana Barrett: You're more like a game show host.
Dana Barrett: Are you the Keymaster?
Dr. Peter Venkman: Not that I know of.
[She slams the door in his face. Venkman knocks again]
Dana Barrett: Are you the Keymaster?
Dr. Peter Venkman: Yes. Actually I'm a friend of his, he asked me to meet him here.
Dr. Peter Venkman: What do you think, Egon?
Dr. Egon Spengler: I think this building should be condemned. There's serious metal fatigue in all the load-bearing members, the wiring is substandard, it's completely inadequate for our power needs, and the neighborhood is like a demilitarized zone.
Dr Ray Stantz: Hey. Does this pole still work?
[slides down a fireman's pole]
Dr Ray Stantz: Wow. This place is great. When can we move in? You gotta try this pole. I'm gonna get my stuff. Hey. We should stay here. Tonight. Sleep here. You know, to try it out.
[Venkman looks at Spengler. Spengler slowly shakes his head. Venkman turns to the real estate agent]
Dr. Peter Venkman: I think we'll take it.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Ray has gone bye-bye, Egon... what've you got left?
Dr. Egon Spengler: Sorry, Venkman, I'm terrified beyond the capacity for rational thought.
Dr. Egon Spengler: There's something very important I forgot to tell you.
Dr. Peter Venkman: What?
Dr. Egon Spengler: Don't cross the streams.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Why?
Dr. Egon Spengler: It would be bad.
Dr. Peter Venkman: I'm fuzzy on the whole good/bad thing. What do you mean, "bad?"
Dr. Egon Spengler: Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.
Dr Ray Stantz: Total protonic reversal.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Right. That's bad. Okay. All right. Important safety tip. Thanks, Egon.
Dr. Egon Spengler: Oh good, you're here!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Yeah, what have you got?
Dr. Egon Spengler: This is big, Peter, this is very big. There is definitely something here.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Egon, this reminds me of the time you tried to drill a hole through your head. Remember that one?
Dr. Egon Spengler: That would have worked if you hadn't stopped me.
An unhappy nerd + pr0n = A happy nerd. Therefore Tentacle Robot + Tentacle Pr0n = A happy nerd.
Yup, thats slashdot, keeping kleenex in business since aught-three. Can we get a poll to decide if that should be the new motto under the header? Or at least some sort of sponsorship deal for a case mod or something...
How could your life be so empty that you'd waste time getting chuckles from a "stalker"?
As Deadlocke said when confronted with the fact that children were playing with dark and dangerous powers, "What else are they supposed to do with them?"
that's not my comment.
So GuloGulo2 says that the comment from GuloGulo isn't his. You should be on television, you really should. You must tell me how it feels when your balls drop, I was born with a beard so I wouldn't know.
And here you are assuming that I am attempting to speak out against the rumblings against Iran from some sort of a latte sipping, beret wearing, passive agressive liberal viewpoint. Not only do these terms mean so little to me as to be scarcely worth the bother of mentioning them, I have travelled very widely, and sat at the tables of people from South East Asia to Russia to Japan and Korea to The United States, before they started taking fingerprints, at all levels from the very poor (dwellers in huts with hardly a chicken to their name) to the extraordinarily wealthy (owners of vast factory complexes and warehouses holding thousands of SUVs).
What this means in real terms is that I have a geat deal of experience in places more real than most people ever experience, so please lay aside any preconceptions you may have about my liberal biases or lack thereof. What I said about the people of Iran was not some third hand recounting or a blithe attack on a military industrial complex, nor an attack on the American way of life, but the solid facts as I know them, first hand and without bias. If it sounds like I empathise with these people, its because I do, having lived among them.
What you choose to hear and its divergence from what I was trying to say are entirely your own business.
Aha, well I am an original Irishman, and more bellicose than most! I think you underestimate the efficacy of empathy; in order to defeat your enemy you must understand him, in effect become him. He who understands both his enemy and himself will lose no battles, to quote the venerable Sun Tzu, who in fairness could be said to know his stuff. As to why I think you are a psychopath, thats a term reserved for those who cannot tell friend from foe, nor know where friends are to be found in the most unlikely of places. I maintain that empathy enables victory, and those who have no empathy for their enemies are doomed to lose the battle, and indeed the war.
Wow. I fear theres not a great deal more I can say to you.
I still hope that his own people will hang "Dear Leader" on a meathook like Mussilini.
Quite frankly I think you are doing the Korean people a disservice there, they are far more imaginative than that, and I think a meathook is the highest form of charity one could give to Kim. That wretched son of a syphillitic gimp legged swine should have at least a couple of decades to contemplate his shortcomings, preferably in the company of some particularly nasty parasitic burrowing creatures and a rusty scalpel. Oh and needles. There should be needles.
There is no such thing as friends, only aligned interests.
This here is one of my favourites. Honestly I sometimes just browse through your posting history for chuckles, its better than watching a monkey hurling faeces for entertainment value. Not by any great amount, but sufficient to make it temporarily diverting.
How that helps to predict the future however is another story. The question is, has the developed nation of Iran learned from the past, or is it doomed to repeat it?
Well let me put it to you like this, then. Whatever media predictions or rumblings there were at the time of the Afghan and Iraqi conflicts, I was fairly sure they would be swift and one sided conflicts long before they got started. When it comes to Iran, I have no such certainty.
Sigh. There are many more and better equipped Iranians than Serbs. They even have their own sizeable airforce.
I prefer Runsfeld's strategy of shot & scoot.
Yes, that will never breed any terrorists...
I don't know why you think Kim and the Chinese would do any better than last time when they collectively lost 1/2 million men for no gain.
Except kicking McArthur into retirement and the US out of the north.
Indeed they have nothing or worth at all.
What makes Iraq a nation worth "building" and Korea not? Wouldn't have anything to do with oil, would it? See now, this is why the US has no friends any more.
Targeted strikes are all that are needed. We have plenty of forces available for that.
And if you had read the original comment fully, you would realise that US forces would be burned out of Iraq by the now heavily armed insurgents if that strategy were pursued.
Iran couldn't conquer the-much-stronger Iraq (before the Gulf War whittled it down to a nub) in a decade's worth of fighting.
Ah yes but the Iranian forces back then were terrible, really some of the worst going. They have spent the intervening time in a process of modernisation and adaptation, which by all accounts has been successful.
In Afghanistan, prior to the invasion there, I heard the same-type-stuff.
The Taleban were farmers with second hand thirty year old Russian rifles, scarcely qualifying as an armed rabble.
I read the same sort of fearsome predictions back then about Iraq
Actually the way I read it at the time, the Iraqis were badly outgunned from the outset, and the war there was always a foregone conclusion, first and second time.
took some time to convert into working, free governments
The Iranians are working towards that just fine by themselves. Whatever the fearsome predictions of earlier wars were, any conflict with modern Iran would not be nearly so clear cut. Iraq and Afghanistan were a joke; if the US invades Iran, it will most likely lose both it and Iraq in the mid to long term.
Wow, you really are a psycho, in a garden gnome sort of way. Just on a point of interest, a logged in user can see all of your comments, including the troll modded ones. If I could be bothered I'd just google for them, but really, nah. I hope you enjoyed those downmods on your last account, I must confess to being responsible for a couple of them myself. Well its not like they weren't deserved, as metamoderation has supported them. Seeya soon!:D
Parent is noted troll Gulo Gulo, well known for his abusive approach to anything. I'm not trying to suggest anything here, but I feel it would be best if he was run out of his current account in the same manner as he was run out of his last account. This would have the ancillary benefit of temporarily stopping him stalking me as well. Much appreciated.
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Yeah, it will probably be called something like 802.11n or something,
802.11n, bluetooth, etc., are all radio...
after we started beaming massive amounts of radio and tv into space
What with dispersion, atmospheric absorption, and general background interference from the sun and other far more powerful sources of radio waves, I reckon aliens would have a hard time picking up TV stations from mars, never mind light years away. I mean in real terms, what are the odds that anything except a very, very powerful radio telescope pointed directly towards earth and listening on the correct wavelengths is going to pick up anything but background static? Fairly minimal I reckon.
Besides which given another 200 years or so we are probably going to invent or discover some entirely new and far more efficient means of communication than radio, and the first scientist to turn it on is going to be blasted out the window by the storm of alien TV and radio he just tuned in to.
You're the one that brought up Iran and Korea, not me. As for hate, you're entitled to read what you want into my comments. Doesn't neccessarily make it an accurate interpretation, however. I merely present the facts in response to your comments.
How did I not see that one lumbering slowly over the horizon.
Name me another large agency in the US goverment that has fewer alterior (sic) motives.
Thats like saying tuberculosis is better than aids, so we should all speak out in favour of TB...
I'd rather have Lockeed Marting(sic) building moon landers than building bombs
Yes but they use the moon lander technology to build better bombs. Therein lies the problem.
I'd bet that Iran, N. Korea etc.. might like to know how to deliver a small payload on a rocket with a sub-orbital tragectory(sic).
Well maybe if you stop fucking with their governments and let them sort it out themselves they might not have an incentive to lob bombs at you. Ever thought of that? And before responding, do me a favour and google saddam citizen detroit and us interference in iran. You made your own bed, buddy.
When I asked a professor point blank why the need for art and culture would develop through the course of evolution, he responded that he doesn't believe those traits would stem from evolution.
Just means my ancestors were some pretty fucking cool monkeys, baby.
They pursue one of the noblest of human endeavors ... and in my mind are pretty detached from political and corporate bullshit and burracracy (sic).
If they are so noble and high of mind, why haven't they opened up their data and research to SC and the rest of them, so they aren't "decades behind"? Vested interests you say? Military funding, I hear? Say it ain't so! And if you think that NASA is in any way detached from politics and beaurocracy, you have a whole other think coming to you...
Sorry but anyone that can take the wall street journal seriously is off their heads. Last time I browsed through it it read like a betting rag, with the unwelcome addition of numerous religious "Jesus is my CEO!" type stories in there. I kept checking the front page to make sure that this was, indeed, the infamous wall street journal.
And in 50 years, they'll be at the top of the world in research, industry, and science
Actually the way I read it, this guy faked his research, and couldn't in fact replicate a suitable chip. So the Chinese at this point literally cannot make the chip. See thats what stealing technology without having a solid scientific background gets you; its one thing to copy a car design, something else entirely to try to make cutting edge hardware do something outside the specs of the model you stole. So they first have to do all the legwork already done by western companies, just to draw parity, then they have to advance to the level we will be at in 50 years.
Given that their government and society aren't meritocracies, I ain't too concerned...
LONG LIVE FREEDOM!
I mean practically the whole script is mad scientist-y, a few of the classics...
Winston Zeddemore: Hey, wait a minute. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hold it. Now, are we actually gonna go before a federal judge, and tell him that some moldy Babylonian God is going to drop in on Central Park West, and start tearing up the city?
Dr. Egon Spengler: Sumerian, not Babylonian.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Yeah. Big difference.
Winston Zeddemore: No offense, guys, but I've gotta get my own lawyer.
Dr Ray Stantz: You know, it just occurred to me that we really haven't had a successful test of this equipment.
Dr. Egon Spengler: I blame myself.
Dr. Peter Venkman: So do I.
Dr Ray Stantz: Well, no sense in worrying about it now.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Why worry? Each one of us is carrying an unlicensed nuclear accelerator on his back.
Dana Barrett: You know, you don't act like a scientist.
Dr. Peter Venkman: They're usually pretty stiff.
Dana Barrett: You're more like a game show host.
Dana Barrett: Are you the Keymaster?
Dr. Peter Venkman: Not that I know of.
[She slams the door in his face. Venkman knocks again]
Dana Barrett: Are you the Keymaster?
Dr. Peter Venkman: Yes. Actually I'm a friend of his, he asked me to meet him here.
Dr. Peter Venkman: What do you think, Egon?
Dr. Egon Spengler: I think this building should be condemned. There's serious metal fatigue in all the load-bearing members, the wiring is substandard, it's completely inadequate for our power needs, and the neighborhood is like a demilitarized zone.
Dr Ray Stantz: Hey. Does this pole still work?
[slides down a fireman's pole]
Dr Ray Stantz: Wow. This place is great. When can we move in? You gotta try this pole. I'm gonna get my stuff. Hey. We should stay here. Tonight. Sleep here. You know, to try it out.
[Venkman looks at Spengler. Spengler slowly shakes his head. Venkman turns to the real estate agent]
Dr. Peter Venkman: I think we'll take it.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Ray has gone bye-bye, Egon... what've you got left?
Dr. Egon Spengler: Sorry, Venkman, I'm terrified beyond the capacity for rational thought.
Dr. Egon Spengler: There's something very important I forgot to tell you.
Dr. Peter Venkman: What?
Dr. Egon Spengler: Don't cross the streams.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Why?
Dr. Egon Spengler: It would be bad.
Dr. Peter Venkman: I'm fuzzy on the whole good/bad thing. What do you mean, "bad?"
Dr. Egon Spengler: Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.
Dr Ray Stantz: Total protonic reversal.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Right. That's bad. Okay. All right. Important safety tip. Thanks, Egon.
Dr. Egon Spengler: Oh good, you're here!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Yeah, what have you got?
Dr. Egon Spengler: This is big, Peter, this is very big. There is definitely something here.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Egon, this reminds me of the time you tried to drill a hole through your head. Remember that one?
Dr. Egon Spengler: That would have worked if you hadn't stopped me.
Given the US support for Irish Republican Army terrorists, I find the US "War on Terror" very hypocritical.
That would be "freedom fighters". Ah the joys of perspective.
An unhappy nerd + pr0n = A happy nerd. Therefore Tentacle Robot + Tentacle Pr0n = A happy nerd.
Yup, thats slashdot, keeping kleenex in business since aught-three. Can we get a poll to decide if that should be the new motto under the header? Or at least some sort of sponsorship deal for a case mod or something...
How could your life be so empty that you'd waste time getting chuckles from a "stalker"?
As Deadlocke said when confronted with the fact that children were playing with dark and dangerous powers, "What else are they supposed to do with them?"
that's not my comment.
So GuloGulo2 says that the comment from GuloGulo isn't his. You should be on television, you really should. You must tell me how it feels when your balls drop, I was born with a beard so I wouldn't know.
And here you are assuming that I am attempting to speak out against the rumblings against Iran from some sort of a latte sipping, beret wearing, passive agressive liberal viewpoint. Not only do these terms mean so little to me as to be scarcely worth the bother of mentioning them, I have travelled very widely, and sat at the tables of people from South East Asia to Russia to Japan and Korea to The United States, before they started taking fingerprints, at all levels from the very poor (dwellers in huts with hardly a chicken to their name) to the extraordinarily wealthy (owners of vast factory complexes and warehouses holding thousands of SUVs).
What this means in real terms is that I have a geat deal of experience in places more real than most people ever experience, so please lay aside any preconceptions you may have about my liberal biases or lack thereof. What I said about the people of Iran was not some third hand recounting or a blithe attack on a military industrial complex, nor an attack on the American way of life, but the solid facts as I know them, first hand and without bias. If it sounds like I empathise with these people, its because I do, having lived among them.
What you choose to hear and its divergence from what I was trying to say are entirely your own business.
Aha, well I am an original Irishman, and more bellicose than most! I think you underestimate the efficacy of empathy; in order to defeat your enemy you must understand him, in effect become him. He who understands both his enemy and himself will lose no battles, to quote the venerable Sun Tzu, who in fairness could be said to know his stuff. As to why I think you are a psychopath, thats a term reserved for those who cannot tell friend from foe, nor know where friends are to be found in the most unlikely of places. I maintain that empathy enables victory, and those who have no empathy for their enemies are doomed to lose the battle, and indeed the war.
All the rats in one trap!
Wow. I fear theres not a great deal more I can say to you.
I still hope that his own people will hang "Dear Leader" on a meathook like Mussilini.
Quite frankly I think you are doing the Korean people a disservice there, they are far more imaginative than that, and I think a meathook is the highest form of charity one could give to Kim. That wretched son of a syphillitic gimp legged swine should have at least a couple of decades to contemplate his shortcomings, preferably in the company of some particularly nasty parasitic burrowing creatures and a rusty scalpel. Oh and needles. There should be needles.
There is no such thing as friends, only aligned interests.
You do realise you're a psychopath?
This here is one of my favourites. Honestly I sometimes just browse through your posting history for chuckles, its better than watching a monkey hurling faeces for entertainment value. Not by any great amount, but sufficient to make it temporarily diverting.
How that helps to predict the future however is another story. The question is, has the developed nation of Iran learned from the past, or is it doomed to repeat it?
I thought the war was to remove a tyrant from leadership.
You mean that honorary citizen of Detroit?
Well let me put it to you like this, then. Whatever media predictions or rumblings there were at the time of the Afghan and Iraqi conflicts, I was fairly sure they would be swift and one sided conflicts long before they got started. When it comes to Iran, I have no such certainty.
The Serbs downed one F-117 with a lucky shot.
Sigh. There are many more and better equipped Iranians than Serbs. They even have their own sizeable airforce.
I prefer Runsfeld's strategy of shot & scoot.
Yes, that will never breed any terrorists...
I don't know why you think Kim and the Chinese would do any better than last time when they collectively lost 1/2 million men for no gain.
Except kicking McArthur into retirement and the US out of the north.
Indeed they have nothing or worth at all.
What makes Iraq a nation worth "building" and Korea not? Wouldn't have anything to do with oil, would it? See now, this is why the US has no friends any more.
Targeted strikes are all that are needed. We have plenty of forces available for that.
And if you had read the original comment fully, you would realise that US forces would be burned out of Iraq by the now heavily armed insurgents if that strategy were pursued.
Iran couldn't conquer the-much-stronger Iraq (before the Gulf War whittled it down to a nub) in a decade's worth of fighting.
Ah yes but the Iranian forces back then were terrible, really some of the worst going. They have spent the intervening time in a process of modernisation and adaptation, which by all accounts has been successful.
In Afghanistan, prior to the invasion there, I heard the same-type-stuff.
The Taleban were farmers with second hand thirty year old Russian rifles, scarcely qualifying as an armed rabble.
I read the same sort of fearsome predictions back then about Iraq
Actually the way I read it at the time, the Iraqis were badly outgunned from the outset, and the war there was always a foregone conclusion, first and second time.
took some time to convert into working, free governments
The Iranians are working towards that just fine by themselves. Whatever the fearsome predictions of earlier wars were, any conflict with modern Iran would not be nearly so clear cut. Iraq and Afghanistan were a joke; if the US invades Iran, it will most likely lose both it and Iraq in the mid to long term.
Wow, you really are a psycho, in a garden gnome sort of way. Just on a point of interest, a logged in user can see all of your comments, including the troll modded ones. If I could be bothered I'd just google for them, but really, nah. I hope you enjoyed those downmods on your last account, I must confess to being responsible for a couple of them myself. Well its not like they weren't deserved, as metamoderation has supported them. Seeya soon! :D
Parent is noted troll Gulo Gulo, well known for his abusive approach to anything. I'm not trying to suggest anything here, but I feel it would be best if he was run out of his current account in the same manner as he was run out of his last account. This would have the ancillary benefit of temporarily stopping him stalking me as well. Much appreciated.