Actually, no. Ex post facto doesn't apply to authors who have already written the software. An author would not be held liable unless they are the ones offering it for download. You see, in order to get the spyware in the first place, someone has to offer it up for download. If nobody was offering it up for download, nobody would get the spyware installed. The distributers are still liable and can be jailed under the bill.
surely there are workarounds.
install a web server on soon to be victim's computer. This does not infringe on the spyware law (or does it? webserver isn't doing the gathering, after all). may infringe on other laws, but so does installing a spam relay on a zombied computer.
have that webserver serve the downloads. instead of having zombie winXP spamboxes, we'll have zombie winXP web servers serving the real spyware that they want to install on our machines.
now the users who have had their boxes zombified are responsible.
details... details... i don't care about details. *someone* will do it i bet.
yeah yeah, but mostly in the infancy of flight, the people who died were the ones who were experimenting and testing their own experiments. Thats fine and all. That should be allowed to happen with space flight, and so far it seems it has. But how long after commercialized space flight will it take before we see the first lawsuit. Before bogging down the courts with another thing, lets say what people are or are not reponsible for when they buy a ticket into space, what standards the ships have to be maintained to, or what happens when a ship crashes on a neighborhood.
it's a fine line between covering your ass and over-regulation. i hope that the lawmakers respect this new industry (ha! doubtful)
but think ahead 200 years or so, when New Mexico has one of the planets leading space ports. It will have to have some regulations like current airports have.
slightly off your topic, but i was curious. Has any one done any economical and social research in to what would happen if water were the primary component of energy production? Water it pretty abundant on this planet, but not all places have it. If massive quantities of water are used for generating hydrogen, the places that don't have water will need to import water. Is water too inexpensive to be worthwhile to ship?
Sort of like cement... i remember hearing that parts of Russia (i think) didn't have any cement production plants. Cement being too costly to ship since it was heavy stuff and being so cheap relative to the cost of shipping, wasn't worth shipping. so most of the buildings that normally would use cement were dilapidating quite quickly.
But back on to water. lets say people start shipping water as they do gasoline. Will that cause water prices to rise to an unreasonable point? You don't really want to be tapping into a drinking reservoir for fuel, in my opinion. You would want to use that salty stuff that's not directly drinkable.
Anyway, i'm rambling now... So how much water (salt water included) is there on earth? Enough that problems with supply and demand is a very minor concern if water becomes key in fuel generation?
Yep. This is exactly what is happening here where i work right now. Luckily, i'm not assigned to that project, just a casual observer who will most likely get sucked in later today as resources get thrown at it in a last ditch effort to deploy buy thursday. Oh wait... that's not lucky. That's entirely unfortunate.
In any event, don't take unnecesary blame, and don't try to pass blame off and you'll have a much better relationship with your co-workers (if they are at all reasonable, smart, and capable. otherwise, all bets are off)
I would think that most of the porters that have a slight coffee taste, and have coffee in their ingredients, would have some caffeine. So in theory, I agree that this is nothing new.
Marketroids just got ahold of it though. Wait until they here about this Internet thingie...
For me, and probably hundres of thousands of others, cost is the initial factor, "I can't afford application X, and I don't really like to download warez anymore. Maybe I'll dig up that Linux CD that Robert gave to me in highschool. It's got free apps on it." Then you start using the programs and think, "This is kind of cool." Then you start understanding the reasons why it's free of cost and again you think, "Wow, cool!"
Ok, so that's sort of a mix of cost and morals. Just my two cents.
compare ie to firefox (tho ff is much better), outlook to evolution, ms office to openoffice, the open source ones all take quite a bit longer to start
let FF sit as close to the OS as IE and then compare. But wait, we don't want our apps that close to the OS because it's a bad idea.
I'll trade good ideas for a 2 second startup cost.
I run KDE on a laptop with a 800mhz duron, 128MB ram and a crappy 8MB "shared memory" vid card. It works fine. Never slow, sluggish or frustrating. Slackware, btw...
Even when going from my P4 WinXP work machine back to the said laptop, it's ok.
But you're thinking of apples, while he's thinking of apples. Better get on the same page. I could go for a macintosh right about now, no worms please!
i've used linux for exclusively for over 7 years at home and I've never recompiled my kernel. properly packaged distros usually do not require a kernel compile.
parent neglects to mention he's still using the 2.0.32 kernel.
Didn't MS do the same thing when they bought NCSA Mosaic? They offered profit sharing to the original developers then gave away the MS product (IE) for free.
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why photos? next is will have a phone... then a camera..
why not just let it be for music and leave it be? clearly, i'm no Apple R&D specialist.
Actually, no. Ex post facto doesn't apply to authors who have already written the software. An author would not be held liable unless they are the ones offering it for download. You see, in order to get the spyware in the first place, someone has to offer it up for download. If nobody was offering it up for download, nobody would get the spyware installed. The distributers are still liable and can be jailed under the bill.
surely there are workarounds.
install a web server on soon to be victim's computer. This does not infringe on the spyware law (or does it? webserver isn't doing the gathering, after all). may infringe on other laws, but so does installing a spam relay on a zombied computer.
have that webserver serve the downloads. instead of having zombie winXP spamboxes, we'll have zombie winXP web servers serving the real spyware that they want to install on our machines.
now the users who have had their boxes zombified are responsible.
details... details... i don't care about details. *someone* will do it i bet.
yeah yeah, but mostly in the infancy of flight, the people who died were the ones who were experimenting and testing their own experiments. Thats fine and all. That should be allowed to happen with space flight, and so far it seems it has. But how long after commercialized space flight will it take before we see the first lawsuit. Before bogging down the courts with another thing, lets say what people are or are not reponsible for when they buy a ticket into space, what standards the ships have to be maintained to, or what happens when a ship crashes on a neighborhood.
it's a fine line between covering your ass and over-regulation. i hope that the lawmakers respect this new industry (ha! doubtful)
but think ahead 200 years or so, when New Mexico has one of the planets leading space ports. It will have to have some regulations like current airports have.
get in contact with the guy in the article... he's obviously done a little work in this area :)
slightly off your topic, but i was curious. Has any one done any economical and social research in to what would happen if water were the primary component of energy production? Water it pretty abundant on this planet, but not all places have it. If massive quantities of water are used for generating hydrogen, the places that don't have water will need to import water. Is water too inexpensive to be worthwhile to ship?
Sort of like cement... i remember hearing that parts of Russia (i think) didn't have any cement production plants. Cement being too costly to ship since it was heavy stuff and being so cheap relative to the cost of shipping, wasn't worth shipping. so most of the buildings that normally would use cement were dilapidating quite quickly.
But back on to water. lets say people start shipping water as they do gasoline. Will that cause water prices to rise to an unreasonable point? You don't really want to be tapping into a drinking reservoir for fuel, in my opinion. You would want to use that salty stuff that's not directly drinkable.
Anyway, i'm rambling now... So how much water (salt water included) is there on earth? Enough that problems with supply and demand is a very minor concern if water becomes key in fuel generation?
...at the MS campus near you! I wonder what MS folks will think of the *SPLOIT* sound of all those eggs hitting their Windows.
Dupid editors.
Suddenly, sensors would look like pixels and we would start to browse reality as easily as we browse web pages today.
Aacccch! Nooo more advertising! Aaaaarg! Tin foil or no tin foil... don't say i didn't warn you!
jeebus. do we really need a link to the "Revenge of the Nerds" movie?
freaking hypertext junkies... go play on a wiki.
I'll second the Bells statement. I lived in OH for a time and they had Bells regularly. NYC... not so much.
Oberon? Mmmmm.....
Yep. This is exactly what is happening here where i work right now. Luckily, i'm not assigned to that project, just a casual observer who will most likely get sucked in later today as resources get thrown at it in a last ditch effort to deploy buy thursday. Oh wait... that's not lucky. That's entirely unfortunate.
In any event, don't take unnecesary blame, and don't try to pass blame off and you'll have a much better relationship with your co-workers (if they are at all reasonable, smart, and capable. otherwise, all bets are off)
I would think that most of the porters that have a slight coffee taste, and have coffee in their ingredients, would have some caffeine. So in theory, I agree that this is nothing new.
Marketroids just got ahold of it though. Wait until they here about this Internet thingie...
But you always hear quotes similar to, "NASA went to the moon on the computing power comparable to a modern calculator" or something like that.
I'd like to see a modern ship guided by a TI-86. We'll call it the Retro-X Prize.
For me, and probably hundres of thousands of others, cost is the initial factor, "I can't afford application X, and I don't really like to download warez anymore. Maybe I'll dig up that Linux CD that Robert gave to me in highschool. It's got free apps on it." Then you start using the programs and think, "This is kind of cool." Then you start understanding the reasons why it's free of cost and again you think, "Wow, cool!"
Ok, so that's sort of a mix of cost and morals. Just my two cents.
compare ie to firefox (tho ff is much better), outlook to evolution, ms office to openoffice, the open source ones all take quite a bit longer to start
let FF sit as close to the OS as IE and then compare. But wait, we don't want our apps that close to the OS because it's a bad idea.
I'll trade good ideas for a 2 second startup cost.
neh.
I run KDE on a laptop with a 800mhz duron, 128MB ram and a crappy 8MB "shared memory" vid card. It works fine. Never slow, sluggish or frustrating. Slackware, btw...
Even when going from my P4 WinXP work machine back to the said laptop, it's ok.
all part of our plan to invade canada when it's nice and warm up there again...
But you're thinking of apples, while he's thinking of apples. Better get on the same page. I could go for a macintosh right about now, no worms please!
what's wrong with looking a gift horse in the mouth? If the horse is going to be more trouble than it's worth, then I don't want your damn horse...
besides, over here we're already working on a horse that doesn't have the possibility to have mouth problems. We'll keep working on that.
terrorist behind every bush
Nice pun!
how hard is it to move the launch site into alaska or somewhere suitably close to russia? Or even just move it to russia.
I have. I'd show it to you and the rest of the world, but then I'd be forced to kill you. It details the linux kernel code that SCO has stolen.
Oops, there I go.
Prepare to die.
i've used linux for exclusively for over 7 years at home and I've never recompiled my kernel.
properly packaged distros usually do not require a kernel compile.
parent neglects to mention he's still using the 2.0.32 kernel.
yeah, but as time goes on all our computers will approach a level 0.
Didn't MS do the same thing when they bought NCSA Mosaic? They offered profit sharing to the original developers then gave away the MS product (IE) for free.