No matter what Jon Katz and Michael Moore would like you to believe...
I can't say i've ever read or heard anything by Moore. Just a few interviews on T.V. of him. I can't tolerate him, so i'll leave it at that. Bowling for Columbine, havn't seen it. Dude Where's My Country, havn't read it.
... your chance of getting brutally killed in or around an American school is far lower today than any of those three periods you just mentioned.
I'll believe that when i see it, maybe i'll look for numbers later. if you have a reference, i'd like to see it. What about violence that doesn't result in death?
Good point. Those dime novels of the 1910s, B movies of the 1940s, and exploitation movies of the 1970s were... oh, you were talking about entertainment of today? Yes, shocking. Very shocking. Almost, but not quite, as violent and sexest as entertainment from previous generations.
What percentage of the population had access to that entertainment? The same as today? I doubt the distribution was nearly as widespread as today. Sure, wherever you were if you looked you could probably find it. Today, companies are looking for you and the images are pushed in front of your eyes on t.v. even if you aren't trying to consume it (by buying the game).
Most women I know today are very unhappy because they don't know where they fit in, having to juggle a family, career, and whatever else the feminist movement has told them they should do.
I feel that way as a man though. society tells men how to behave as well, but hardly anyone fits that mold. There might be less pressure on men though, having not been repressed in a way similar to women. I would be less happy though, if society explicitly told me I could only be a schoolteacher, house-husband or nurse. I doubt they are questioning their desire to have the freedom of choice, but rather questioning the choices they might have made.
You are right. But these are, as violence is, a social issue. The ones you mentioned have had things to counterbalance their effects on society. things such as laws and education, like don't eat raw eggs or laws like raw meet must be stored at a temperature below X for bacteria not to grow. Having "games" that kids play that marginalize violence sure isn't a solution to the social problem of violence. I just hope that the kids and adults who play excessively violent games have some healthy habits to balance out their thoughts, but i fear the worst.
but hasn't every generation said this about the newest generation?
Probably. Who is to say they weren't right? Is out society better/safer than it was 30 years ago? 60 years ago? 90 years ago? Were kids getting killed in schools, or on the way to and from school 90 years ago? There were big societal advancements, such as the legal desegregation of schools, and a higher availability of basic education. But the amount of violence is scarey, i'd hate to be in highschool these days. Teenagers can be dangerous, they're just old enough to be able to inflict serious harm to others, and young enough to possibly not understand the full consequences.
Seeing violence every day in the games they play can't possibly be good, can it? Seeing women objectified without realizing the consquences and effects it has on the women can't be good, can it?
highschool was a while ago, but... what was the title, "Rosencrantz & Gildenstern are Dead", is obscure? is that the reference there? Didn't the "Questions" game originate with them as well? where if you make a statement, rhetoric, or repetition (maybe other rules), you lose a point. Sort of like a tennis match? My memories are all foggy by now.
i think you're blowing it a bit out of proportion. the review clearly stated pros/cons/intended audience and more.
would you take a beta-testers review of an online game different? I bet you would be glad to have the behind the scenes insight as to whether or not the game sucks. If you were smart you would do just as was said and "take it with a grain of salt". continue to look for other reviews and file this one away in your head for later.
the article is about bringing fiber to individuals at their homes, not radar installations for millitary use. How much of that Tiger Song was usable by the common citizen of iraq in "the late 80's" as you say?
I agree, and nowhere in the article was a consumer asked their opinion about it. $28/month versus $50/month or more? sure why not?! Taxes you say? How much in taxes is a good question. But if they could take the smallest possible tax, and use part of that $28/month instead, it wouldn't be that bad. Like the guy said, it'd pay for itself in the next few years. At that point, give a low income tax break to people who probably can't afford the $28/month but have been taxed a little to build the infrastructure.
So if SCO's GPL liscense has been revoked (atleast for nmap or whatever software package it was last week), and they sell their liscense to someone else, is that third party's GPL liscense also revoked since they are trying to apply a different liscense to GPL code?
then after you've been "branded" Colgate starts putting small amounts of tobacco and sugar in your toothpaste to get you addicted and to decay your teeth. then you'll be on "the patch" to quit your bad teeth brushing habits! what a mess you'll be in then, i say!
thats the one award I would have said otherwise. it took some skill as a director to shoot 3 movies at once.
Peter Jackson had to conduct an army of actors, extras and stage hands
he didn't do that on the previous two?
i'm glad he won, especially over Lost in Translation. That was a good movie and i'm glad it won best original screenplay. but LoTR was much more of a directing struggle than LiT.
the consumer has always been a tester, maybe not the equivalent to a "beta tester" in computer terms, but a tester none the less. designs just don't improve by themselves, and designers aren't always the typical user of the end product (neither are "focus groups" nor hired testers even). customer feedback after release almost always contributes to the growth of a product. that being said, i still don't like the practice as it relates to most things (especially software, since that's my field) and I agree with you.
Everything I've ever read from Forbes linked here at Slashdot has only been a troll trying to bring in ad impressions. I refuse to go read this article as it will only help Forbes.
hope not to get caught... well if I accuse them of pairing data with people the burden of proof is on me. How would I get that proof without breaking the DMCA through reverse engineering their system or other benevolent hacks?
Having seperate events for the women gives them a huge advantage in terms of exposure and, well, being in news articles or potentially winning money.
But your making gender an issue when skill is the issue. An all girls server is wrong, in my opinion, just as an all boys server would be. A "newbie" sever would be better, or a beginners/amatuer tournament. I start out sucking at all online games I play and usually just end up playing the "local" version against the computer most the time. this is usually because I usually enter the scene later than others and am thrust into a server that has been in service for a year or so. If I could have fought it out with newbies for a while, then moved on to a "normal" server it would have been a better experience. Mind you, these shouldn't be enforced as policy, just viable options to people not as skilled.
Girls only / boys only servers... what is this, the 1800's?
There are even "Women Grand Masters" , why they just dont just use Grand-mistress is a mystery though.
Uh, what? If I am one of the best of anything in the world, why the f**k would i be called a "Mistress" instead of a "Master"? The real mystery is, why do they insist on calling them "Women Grand Masters" instead of just "Grand Masters", or is this your name for them?
Mistress has several sexually related and degrading conotations or apparently as my search just yeilded, denotations.
from google:
define mistress: mistress - an adulterous woman; a woman who has an ongoing extramarital sexual relationship with a man
define master: master - an artist of consummate skill; "a master of the violin"; "one of the old masters"
statistics can also confirm that you are a dumbass. But are you really? probably not.
What are you going to say when your daughter wants to join the air force? "No, sorry dear but you probably won't make it since men have a better chance at having the neccesary physical and psychological attributes. Your time would be better suited to tailoring my pants. Go help your mom now."
If men have historically been the only ones to be fighter pilots, of course there will be some time before you see the same amount of women as men. Does the U.S. armed forces even allow women as fighter piots yet? i know a girl from childhood in the army who is a helicopter pilot, but for transport. Are women allowed in "combat" position?
chrissake, the same with CS curriculums. Just because there might only be 1 girl to every 5 guys, does that mean statistics show girls don't have what it takes to understand a computer system? of course not.
when i read your subject, i imagined a round of SCO commercials attacking IBM's linux commercials. Same boy gets hired for the SCO commercials, but they depict him running around town stealing floppies or something, downloading with P2P programs, and screwing over the "legitimate" corporations. "The world has raised a boy, and that boy is a theif"
i could see SCO doing something like this. in fact they'd probably do it, then claim IBM's commercial is a derivitive work and sue them for the rights.
A friend of mine is leaving her job next week : A friend will be unemployed next week. We've already talked about her bringing me on board if things look good from the inside: I too will leave my job if she thinks being unemployed is fun.
what does this have to do with taking the spread of knowledge into your own hands? if corporations are only going to tell you what you cannot do with their product why expect them to tell you what you can do with it? they are under no obligation to tell every customer what they can do, they just cover their asses by saying what you can't do.
make a flyer, post it someplace. you have that right in this country. that was my point.
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Yes, yes, and yes.
... your chance of getting brutally killed in or around an American school is far lower today than any of those three periods you just mentioned.
No matter what Jon Katz and Michael Moore would like you to believe...
I can't say i've ever read or heard anything by Moore. Just a few interviews on T.V. of him. I can't tolerate him, so i'll leave it at that. Bowling for Columbine, havn't seen it. Dude Where's My Country, havn't read it.
I'll believe that when i see it, maybe i'll look for numbers later. if you have a reference, i'd like to see it. What about violence that doesn't result in death?
Good point. Those dime novels of the 1910s, B movies of the 1940s, and exploitation movies of the 1970s were... oh, you were talking about entertainment of today? Yes, shocking. Very shocking. Almost, but not quite, as violent and sexest as entertainment from previous generations.
What percentage of the population had access to that entertainment? The same as today? I doubt the distribution was nearly as widespread as today. Sure, wherever you were if you looked you could probably find it. Today, companies are looking for you and the images are pushed in front of your eyes on t.v. even if you aren't trying to consume it (by buying the game).
Most women I know today are very unhappy because they don't know where they fit in, having to juggle a family, career, and whatever else the feminist movement has told them they should do.
I feel that way as a man though. society tells men how to behave as well, but hardly anyone fits that mold. There might be less pressure on men though, having not been repressed in a way similar to women. I would be less happy though, if society explicitly told me I could only be a schoolteacher, house-husband or nurse. I doubt they are questioning their desire to have the freedom of choice, but rather questioning the choices they might have made.
You are right. But these are, as violence is, a social issue. The ones you mentioned have had things to counterbalance their effects on society. things such as laws and education, like don't eat raw eggs or laws like raw meet must be stored at a temperature below X for bacteria not to grow. Having "games" that kids play that marginalize violence sure isn't a solution to the social problem of violence. I just hope that the kids and adults who play excessively violent games have some healthy habits to balance out their thoughts, but i fear the worst.
but hasn't every generation said this about the newest generation?
Probably. Who is to say they weren't right? Is out society better/safer than it was 30 years ago? 60 years ago? 90 years ago? Were kids getting killed in schools, or on the way to and from school 90 years ago? There were big societal advancements, such as the legal desegregation of schools, and a higher availability of basic education. But the amount of violence is scarey, i'd hate to be in highschool these days. Teenagers can be dangerous, they're just old enough to be able to inflict serious harm to others, and young enough to possibly not understand the full consequences.
Seeing violence every day in the games they play can't possibly be good, can it? Seeing women objectified without realizing the consquences and effects it has on the women can't be good, can it?
highschool was a while ago, but... what was the title, "Rosencrantz & Gildenstern are Dead", is obscure? is that the reference there? Didn't the "Questions" game originate with them as well? where if you make a statement, rhetoric, or repetition (maybe other rules), you lose a point. Sort of like a tennis match? My memories are all foggy by now.
i think you're blowing it a bit out of proportion. the review clearly stated pros/cons/intended audience and more.
would you take a beta-testers review of an online game different? I bet you would be glad to have the behind the scenes insight as to whether or not the game sucks. If you were smart you would do just as was said and "take it with a grain of salt". continue to look for other reviews and file this one away in your head for later.
the article is about bringing fiber to individuals at their homes, not radar installations for millitary use. How much of that Tiger Song was usable by the common citizen of iraq in "the late 80's" as you say?
you are comparing apples and oranges.
I agree, and nowhere in the article was a consumer asked their opinion about it. $28/month versus $50/month or more? sure why not?! Taxes you say? How much in taxes is a good question. But if they could take the smallest possible tax, and use part of that $28/month instead, it wouldn't be that bad. Like the guy said, it'd pay for itself in the next few years. At that point, give a low income tax break to people who probably can't afford the $28/month but have been taxed a little to build the infrastructure.
So if SCO's GPL liscense has been revoked (atleast for nmap or whatever software package it was last week), and they sell their liscense to someone else, is that third party's GPL liscense also revoked since they are trying to apply a different liscense to GPL code?
IANA(i am not anything)
then after you've been "branded" Colgate starts putting small amounts of tobacco and sugar in your toothpaste to get you addicted and to decay your teeth. then you'll be on "the patch" to quit your bad teeth brushing habits! what a mess you'll be in then, i say!
thats the one award I would have said otherwise. it took some skill as a director to shoot 3 movies at once.
Peter Jackson had to conduct an army of actors, extras and stage hands
he didn't do that on the previous two?
i'm glad he won, especially over Lost in Translation. That was a good movie and i'm glad it won best original screenplay. but LoTR was much more of a directing struggle than LiT.
i guess you don't understand the reasoning behind boycotting. i can boycott my local paper if they start printing articles bordering on flaimbait.
1. Forbes releases flaimbait
2. someone at Forbes notifies Slashdot via "submit story"
3. ???
4. profit.
the consumer has always been a tester, maybe not the equivalent to a "beta tester" in computer terms, but a tester none the less. designs just don't improve by themselves, and designers aren't always the typical user of the end product (neither are "focus groups" nor hired testers even). customer feedback after release almost always contributes to the growth of a product. that being said, i still don't like the practice as it relates to most things (especially software, since that's my field) and I agree with you.
Everything I've ever read from Forbes linked here at Slashdot has only been a troll trying to bring in ad impressions. I refuse to go read this article as it will only help Forbes.
:)frogmoo
Thanks for your time.
hope not to get caught... well if I accuse them of pairing data with people the burden of proof is on me. How would I get that proof without breaking the DMCA through reverse engineering their system or other benevolent hacks?
CVS card... i have one. when i signed up, you can check a box saying "don't send me crap" and amazingly enough, they havn't sent me one bit of crap.
ah yes, think of all the porn regexps. a wonderful world indeed.
Hmm, i guess that could be done with simple booblean logic instead of complex regexps. did i say booblean? i mean boolean.
Having seperate events for the women gives them a huge advantage in terms of exposure and, well, being in news articles or potentially winning money.
But your making gender an issue when skill is the issue. An all girls server is wrong, in my opinion, just as an all boys server would be. A "newbie" sever would be better, or a beginners/amatuer tournament. I start out sucking at all online games I play and usually just end up playing the "local" version against the computer most the time. this is usually because I usually enter the scene later than others and am thrust into a server that has been in service for a year or so. If I could have fought it out with newbies for a while, then moved on to a "normal" server it would have been a better experience. Mind you, these shouldn't be enforced as policy, just viable options to people not as skilled.
Girls only / boys only servers... what is this, the 1800's?
There are even "Women Grand Masters" , why they just dont just use Grand-mistress is a mystery though.
Uh, what? If I am one of the best of anything in the world, why the f**k would i be called a "Mistress" instead of a "Master"? The real mystery is, why do they insist on calling them "Women Grand Masters" instead of just "Grand Masters", or is this your name for them?
Mistress has several sexually related and degrading conotations or apparently as my search just yeilded, denotations.
from google:
define mistress: mistress - an adulterous woman; a woman who has an ongoing extramarital sexual relationship with a man
define master: master - an artist of consummate skill; "a master of the violin"; "one of the old masters"
statistics can also confirm that you are a dumbass. But are you really? probably not.
What are you going to say when your daughter wants to join the air force? "No, sorry dear but you probably won't make it since men have a better chance at having the neccesary physical and psychological attributes. Your time would be better suited to tailoring my pants. Go help your mom now."
If men have historically been the only ones to be fighter pilots, of course there will be some time before you see the same amount of women as men. Does the U.S. armed forces even allow women as fighter piots yet? i know a girl from childhood in the army who is a helicopter pilot, but for transport. Are women allowed in "combat" position?
chrissake, the same with CS curriculums. Just because there might only be 1 girl to every 5 guys, does that mean statistics show girls don't have what it takes to understand a computer system? of course not.
modded funny? dumb mods. +1 Scarey because it's True, but not funny.
when i read your subject, i imagined a round of SCO commercials attacking IBM's linux commercials. Same boy gets hired for the SCO commercials, but they depict him running around town stealing floppies or something, downloading with P2P programs, and screwing over the "legitimate" corporations. "The world has raised a boy, and that boy is a theif"
i could see SCO doing something like this. in fact they'd probably do it, then claim IBM's commercial is a derivitive work and sue them for the rights.
um... eh?
A friend of mine is leaving her job next week : A friend will be unemployed next week.
We've already talked about her bringing me on board if things look good from the inside: I too will leave my job if she thinks being unemployed is fun.
yep. check out the site, I think they have about 20 "local" versions for different big cities.
what does this have to do with taking the spread of knowledge into your own hands? if corporations are only going to tell you what you cannot do with their product why expect them to tell you what you can do with it? they are under no obligation to tell every customer what they can do, they just cover their asses by saying what you can't do.
make a flyer, post it someplace. you have that right in this country. that was my point.