well i have comcast, get 5.0 mbps, have my own LAN and i use to it for people coming over to share files with them, music or otherwise, also a 3D website that i build filled with forums etc etc,..and to play games online and just to goof off..do you think comcast would sign on and say, "now you cant have a server, cos we signed on with the RIAA"? but i have to agree with some of you -- who in their right mind would sign? you couldnt possibly judge someones high usage on illegal activity. that falls short cos there are many other things that can do this beside illegal music or movie downloading. one of the first posts re-iterates this fact..
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Until Linux is a simple grandmother-friendly install, desktop Linux is going to stay in the ghetto, restricted to people who don't panic at the words "patch and recompile the kernel."
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ok i can somewhat agree with this but what about the users like myself that know myself around windows? yeah you have to worry about grandma but if you are really going to tap into the windows market you need to have a VALID reason for us to switch. i am a gamer, i work with video production stuff at home too so i use most of the adobe products and make custom DVD's. you might tell me i can switch because of security issues. well i have XP Pro at home, never have had 1 virus since i got the system 1 year ago, not one "blue screen" or system crash. Even when i push the system with Maya and Photoshop running and doom 3 minimized and 3 or4 IE windows open it runs smoothly. furthermore i leave the machine on 24/7 unless there is a reason to reboot to update video card drivers or some new installtion or an update for my firewall. i think i can speak for a lot of my friends that use windows as well.. also in the business world people that use microsoft that keep there systems stable and safe.
so how would you sell me to use Linux?
notice i said i use windows at home but i work we use windows but also linux and mac so its not that i have a fear of linux.
Comcast here:
$52.95:
Basic Digital Cable, that is all your regular channels, all the music channels and Encore/Starz package or whatever that is.
$42.95 5 mbps Down & 300k+ Up..
with taxes it comes to like $104/month and change..
so whats going to happen to ALL those lines in the ground sometime in the future when everyone has a cell in one hand, a wireless PDA in their other hand and no one has home phone service? by then Cable will be like Dial-up. cant you see where we are going? picture this.."dude you only have cable?? that is sooo 2004-2005.. come check out my OC128 connection at the house".
you may laugh but we will get there..and it wont be as far off as most people would think. ok so where does regulation come in then?
wouldnt their be a way for the other telephone companies to run their own wiring and therefore they wouldnt need to share another ISP's networking infrastructure? hasnt this come into play already? i thought that companies such as BellSouth were already doing this.. i dont get it really..
if the language has been capable for years then how come no one i know doing serious 3D development is still using C++? and why arent most (if not all) gaming shops writing all their apps in C++?
one of my points i was trying to convey was saying any serious game/3D/openGL programmer isnt going to use Java just for the simple reasons as no pointers and nothing above 1D arrays...how inconvenient that is... also allows no freedom for the programmer in general..kinda reminds me of Ada in a sorta weird way....maybe we are spoiled by C++ but then again if you are good at C++ then you dont have memory problems associated with pointers for example and you can take advantage of C++'s power.
does it support the opengl shading language like vertex and pixel shaders? i see it supports extensions for opengl 1.5 but to what extent? what about CG for Nvidia or Render Monkey code for ATI? what about pointers that you need for A* pathfinding and artificial intelligence? you cant be serious in considering that Java is a reputable alternative to writing robust recent good quality 3D openGL apps can you?
the benchmarks on this site were for all 800x600? huh? that is so dated. no one writes 3D apps/games using 800x600..and Quake 2?? come on now isnt that a bit outdated?
yeah Java IS that bad for 3D. i know some will say they have stuff written for Java in 3D but you have to go way out of your way for it to work, it doesn't encapsulate the new 3D graphics implementations out there, i.e. openGL shading language, CG etc etc. yeah you can draw a 3D cube but even that is cumbersome, too much work and not really feasible. that being said to Java's defense Java was written for web based applications not 3D -- 3D != 3Dcube or spinning sphere...3D as in intensive real world 3D graphics solutions and games -- which is what i initially wrote about -- C++ is the choice, so i say dont do away with C++. leave java for web apps, C++ for high intensive applications, not even 3D apps, just big complex programs&software that require encapsulation, memory management, inheritance etc etc. VB?? well.. i dunno its good for short applications like i mentioned but not many of those really needed these days.
one thing is for sure.. Java is SLOW when working with writing games using openGL, the very fact that it doesnt do multi-dimensional arrays, pointers etc etc and has only minimal support for 3D graphics and buggy at best. C++(C if you are afraid of OOP) is powerful if used correctly and usable across a whole spectrum of software. Visual Basic also is not a game writing/3D graphics platform and not really a good choice overall, good for short applications but once you get into large applications, specifically OPengl/DirectX software/games etc etc it becomes even more tedious than the parent posts relays about C.
for me with Comcast -- i dont have all the movie channels, i have the basic digital cable and mine in the past 6 years has gone up from $45 to about $52, a $7 a month difference with HD technology and DVR and extra channels...so i'd say that is good. the internet service has gone up from 39.99 to 42.99, that is 6 years later and my connection is up from 2.0 mbps to 5.0 mbps(it was raised from 4.0 this past month). i would say thats a fair shake. i cannot relate to anyone who has had the platium ultra etc etc packages b/c i have always just carried the digital basic, which includes the music channels, Encore/Starz, etc etc. ive never had a problem with them for customer service, obviously all customers with every company is not going to be satisfied all the time.
i have comcast btw -- i didnt mention that in my first post.
yeah the firewire switch for the DVR gets to be a pain but you can live with it -- really how can TiVo stay afloat?
isnt one of the main themes and arguments here on Slashdot about coming up with something unique? sorry folks TiVo is really not that unique as this whole story shows.
and about the decent videocard -- try out a GeForce 6800 Ultra SLI -- heh..
wow and that was in 1997, comcast is now #1, 8 years later as compard to #4. 8 years is like a millenium in technology time. wonder how much that stock is worth now?
As per one of the comments at home -- you already have all you need with cable(digital cable, 5.0 mbps connections(they just increased it from 4.0)), why not just fork up 4.99 for the DVR and be done with it. seems to be the easiest and overall the best deal atleast for those that already have cable set up.
what could pizza hut or taco bell offer for the people working for EA or M$? maybe a free fast food line to feed their bodies after they have worked 15 hour days??
maybe then Walmart can buy out pizza hut and taco bell as part of the merger -- then walmart can have a pizza hut, taco bell and Mickey D's all in one.
In the Making/Happening:
Sprint buying out Nextel
SBC buying out AT&T
Verizon to aquire MCI
Cingular buys our At&t Wireless
in other news:
Comcast buys out Cox Cable, Cable One and RoadRunner, while AOL files bankruptcy.
DirectTV and Dish Network Merge while ESPN seeks to buy out the merge.
BellSouth closes shop and Verizon and Nextel Merge.
EA sweeps the floor with Ubisoft and buys out Sony and Nintendo.
EA & Microsoft go head to head in court over rights and patents.
Lawyers get rich.
Customers get screwed.
this isnt just about usenet -- this is about AOL slowly dying out and slowly shriveling away. they lost on average last year 600,000 dial up subscribers per quarter.. about 2.4 million subscribers in 2004. all indications are that they will at lose at LEAST twice that many in 2005. more people are now willing to shell out $15 more for DSL or maybe $20 for cable internet(its STILL 23.99 for AOL dial-up) as people want faster and better times on loading sites, emailing and chatting. of course you cant forget the 9.99 services but IMO those are just temporary gigs that wont last forever. with the advent of cell phones, everything wireless and faster speeds, AOL is doomed and i will be the first to look forward to this moment..
that right..adult stem cell research is being and has been used to treat cancers of all kinds and has had some very good results. as the OP pointed out, its embryonic that has been banned from being used by federal funds.
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hey i didnt mean to fight/argue with you as i said i have a dual boot and use linux for some things. to say that all noobies can do something b/c you have a certain amount of noobies as friends/family shouldnt be assumed. when you go to a friends house and tell them to go to their My Computer Icon and they say, "huh?" or when you say go to the control panel(for setting up printers) and they say, "wheres that?" this is a good one -- a friend to set her up on the internet, didnt know the difference in the left, middle and right mouse button. these are the people that we are really talking about. this is the dilemna. if i was the power to be i would make it mandatory that people go to an intro computers course and part of that course would focus on security. fortunately this doesnt happen and probably never will. forget about asking the friend to set up even a software firewall much less the hardware firewall that comes with the router.
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#1. i see you forgot to mention games
#2. not all routers work the same with windows vs linux. believe me i have a dual boot and tried it on a friends computer and its a hassle. yes it does work but its a HASSLE, its not convenient or easy for someone who you are trying to convert to linux. same with USB. maybe since you are a linux guru you can get your digital cameras to work on linux. how about the newb to a computer or a seasoned windows user who is used to plugging it in(any digital camera) and it works right then.
#3 same with printers..
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#1. Games Games Games.. i am not talking about latecoming ports of Doom 3 and UT 2004 either. im talking about going to wally world, EB, or GameStop, picking up a game, sliding in the CD and playing RIGHT then. someone was right in a below post --- Nvidia & Ati has the ball in their court and they arent going to hit it back anytime soon. they are running things these days.
#2. i am talking about going to get a router, a digital camera, USB sticks, printers, plugging in the item or putting in the CD and it works RIGHT then.
#3. Security for linux is ok as of now..but i think some hackers might be getting bored with hacking into MS or finding vulnerabilities. The result?? here at work we use ReD Hat Enterprise. we have had 7.. thats right SEVEN kernel updates in the past 2 weeks b/c of vulnerabilities reported not in time or found ahead of time and was fixed.
#4. Useability...well i guess for the most part enough said. remember you arent trying to sell Linux to new computer users really.. you are going to be trying to convince hard core windows users that know their way around windows and no how to keep their personal machine, server etc secure and free from hackers.
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well i have comcast, get 5.0 mbps, have my own LAN and i use to it for people coming over to share files with them, music or otherwise, also a 3D website that i build filled with forums etc etc,..and to play games online and just to goof off..do you think comcast would sign on and say, "now you cant have a server, cos we signed on with the RIAA"? but i have to agree with some of you -- who in their right mind would sign? you couldnt possibly judge someones high usage on illegal activity. that falls short cos there are many other things that can do this beside illegal music or movie downloading. one of the first posts re-iterates this fact..
but overall that really isnt going to turn me from windows to linux..
quote from article: ------- Until Linux is a simple grandmother-friendly install, desktop Linux is going to stay in the ghetto, restricted to people who don't panic at the words "patch and recompile the kernel." ------- ok i can somewhat agree with this but what about the users like myself that know myself around windows? yeah you have to worry about grandma but if you are really going to tap into the windows market you need to have a VALID reason for us to switch. i am a gamer, i work with video production stuff at home too so i use most of the adobe products and make custom DVD's. you might tell me i can switch because of security issues. well i have XP Pro at home, never have had 1 virus since i got the system 1 year ago, not one "blue screen" or system crash. Even when i push the system with Maya and Photoshop running and doom 3 minimized and 3 or4 IE windows open it runs smoothly. furthermore i leave the machine on 24/7 unless there is a reason to reboot to update video card drivers or some new installtion or an update for my firewall. i think i can speak for a lot of my friends that use windows as well.. also in the business world people that use microsoft that keep there systems stable and safe. so how would you sell me to use Linux? notice i said i use windows at home but i work we use windows but also linux and mac so its not that i have a fear of linux.
Comcast here: $52.95: Basic Digital Cable, that is all your regular channels, all the music channels and Encore/Starz package or whatever that is. $42.95 5 mbps Down & 300k+ Up.. with taxes it comes to like $104/month and change..
so whats going to happen to ALL those lines in the ground sometime in the future when everyone has a cell in one hand, a wireless PDA in their other hand and no one has home phone service? by then Cable will be like Dial-up. cant you see where we are going? picture this.."dude you only have cable?? that is sooo 2004-2005.. come check out my OC128 connection at the house". you may laugh but we will get there..and it wont be as far off as most people would think. ok so where does regulation come in then?
wouldnt their be a way for the other telephone companies to run their own wiring and therefore they wouldnt need to share another ISP's networking infrastructure? hasnt this come into play already? i thought that companies such as BellSouth were already doing this.. i dont get it really..
where do you live?? i have comcast and get almost 5 mpbs and 300k+ upload(not that i worry about that too much).
if the language has been capable for years then how come no one i know doing serious 3D development is still using C++? and why arent most (if not all) gaming shops writing all their apps in C++?
one of my points i was trying to convey was saying any serious game/3D/openGL programmer isnt going to use Java just for the simple reasons as no pointers and nothing above 1D arrays...how inconvenient that is... also allows no freedom for the programmer in general..kinda reminds me of Ada in a sorta weird way....maybe we are spoiled by C++ but then again if you are good at C++ then you dont have memory problems associated with pointers for example and you can take advantage of C++'s power.
does it support the opengl shading language like vertex and pixel shaders? i see it supports extensions for opengl 1.5 but to what extent? what about CG for Nvidia or Render Monkey code for ATI? what about pointers that you need for A* pathfinding and artificial intelligence? you cant be serious in considering that Java is a reputable alternative to writing robust recent good quality 3D openGL apps can you? the benchmarks on this site were for all 800x600? huh? that is so dated. no one writes 3D apps/games using 800x600..and Quake 2?? come on now isnt that a bit outdated?
yeah Java IS that bad for 3D. i know some will say they have stuff written for Java in 3D but you have to go way out of your way for it to work, it doesn't encapsulate the new 3D graphics implementations out there, i.e. openGL shading language, CG etc etc. yeah you can draw a 3D cube but even that is cumbersome, too much work and not really feasible. that being said to Java's defense Java was written for web based applications not 3D -- 3D != 3Dcube or spinning sphere...3D as in intensive real world 3D graphics solutions and games -- which is what i initially wrote about -- C++ is the choice, so i say dont do away with C++. leave java for web apps, C++ for high intensive applications, not even 3D apps, just big complex programs&software that require encapsulation, memory management, inheritance etc etc. VB?? well.. i dunno its good for short applications like i mentioned but not many of those really needed these days.
one thing is for sure.. Java is SLOW when working with writing games using openGL, the very fact that it doesnt do multi-dimensional arrays, pointers etc etc and has only minimal support for 3D graphics and buggy at best. C++(C if you are afraid of OOP) is powerful if used correctly and usable across a whole spectrum of software. Visual Basic also is not a game writing/3D graphics platform and not really a good choice overall, good for short applications but once you get into large applications, specifically OPengl/DirectX software/games etc etc it becomes even more tedious than the parent posts relays about C.
"It was all downhill from there. In the next day of trading, the Nasdaq lost 2.8% of its value." ok but why did this happen just the next day?
for me with Comcast -- i dont have all the movie channels, i have the basic digital cable and mine in the past 6 years has gone up from $45 to about $52, a $7 a month difference with HD technology and DVR and extra channels...so i'd say that is good. the internet service has gone up from 39.99 to 42.99, that is 6 years later and my connection is up from 2.0 mbps to 5.0 mbps(it was raised from 4.0 this past month). i would say thats a fair shake. i cannot relate to anyone who has had the platium ultra etc etc packages b/c i have always just carried the digital basic, which includes the music channels, Encore/Starz, etc etc. ive never had a problem with them for customer service, obviously all customers with every company is not going to be satisfied all the time.
i have comcast btw -- i didnt mention that in my first post. yeah the firewire switch for the DVR gets to be a pain but you can live with it -- really how can TiVo stay afloat? isnt one of the main themes and arguments here on Slashdot about coming up with something unique? sorry folks TiVo is really not that unique as this whole story shows. and about the decent videocard -- try out a GeForce 6800 Ultra SLI -- heh..
wow and that was in 1997, comcast is now #1, 8 years later as compard to #4. 8 years is like a millenium in technology time. wonder how much that stock is worth now?
how about an enlarged Teddy Ruxpin..?
As per one of the comments at home -- you already have all you need with cable(digital cable, 5.0 mbps connections(they just increased it from 4.0)), why not just fork up 4.99 for the DVR and be done with it. seems to be the easiest and overall the best deal atleast for those that already have cable set up.
what could pizza hut or taco bell offer for the people working for EA or M$? maybe a free fast food line to feed their bodies after they have worked 15 hour days?? maybe then Walmart can buy out pizza hut and taco bell as part of the merger -- then walmart can have a pizza hut, taco bell and Mickey D's all in one.
In the Making/Happening: Sprint buying out Nextel SBC buying out AT&T Verizon to aquire MCI Cingular buys our At&t Wireless in other news: Comcast buys out Cox Cable, Cable One and RoadRunner, while AOL files bankruptcy. DirectTV and Dish Network Merge while ESPN seeks to buy out the merge. BellSouth closes shop and Verizon and Nextel Merge. EA sweeps the floor with Ubisoft and buys out Sony and Nintendo. EA & Microsoft go head to head in court over rights and patents. Lawyers get rich. Customers get screwed.
this isnt just about usenet -- this is about AOL slowly dying out and slowly shriveling away. they lost on average last year 600,000 dial up subscribers per quarter.. about 2.4 million subscribers in 2004. all indications are that they will at lose at LEAST twice that many in 2005. more people are now willing to shell out $15 more for DSL or maybe $20 for cable internet(its STILL 23.99 for AOL dial-up) as people want faster and better times on loading sites, emailing and chatting. of course you cant forget the 9.99 services but IMO those are just temporary gigs that wont last forever. with the advent of cell phones, everything wireless and faster speeds, AOL is doomed and i will be the first to look forward to this moment..
that right..adult stem cell research is being and has been used to treat cancers of all kinds and has had some very good results. as the OP pointed out, its embryonic that has been banned from being used by federal funds.
hey i didnt mean to fight/argue with you as i said i have a dual boot and use linux for some things. to say that all noobies can do something b/c you have a certain amount of noobies as friends/family shouldnt be assumed. when you go to a friends house and tell them to go to their My Computer Icon and they say, "huh?" or when you say go to the control panel(for setting up printers) and they say, "wheres that?" this is a good one -- a friend to set her up on the internet, didnt know the difference in the left, middle and right mouse button. these are the people that we are really talking about. this is the dilemna. if i was the power to be i would make it mandatory that people go to an intro computers course and part of that course would focus on security. fortunately this doesnt happen and probably never will. forget about asking the friend to set up even a software firewall much less the hardware firewall that comes with the router.
#1. i see you forgot to mention games #2. not all routers work the same with windows vs linux. believe me i have a dual boot and tried it on a friends computer and its a hassle. yes it does work but its a HASSLE, its not convenient or easy for someone who you are trying to convert to linux. same with USB. maybe since you are a linux guru you can get your digital cameras to work on linux. how about the newb to a computer or a seasoned windows user who is used to plugging it in(any digital camera) and it works right then. #3 same with printers..
#1. Games Games Games.. i am not talking about latecoming ports of Doom 3 and UT 2004 either. im talking about going to wally world, EB, or GameStop, picking up a game, sliding in the CD and playing RIGHT then. someone was right in a below post --- Nvidia & Ati has the ball in their court and they arent going to hit it back anytime soon. they are running things these days. #2. i am talking about going to get a router, a digital camera, USB sticks, printers, plugging in the item or putting in the CD and it works RIGHT then. #3. Security for linux is ok as of now..but i think some hackers might be getting bored with hacking into MS or finding vulnerabilities. The result?? here at work we use ReD Hat Enterprise. we have had 7.. thats right SEVEN kernel updates in the past 2 weeks b/c of vulnerabilities reported not in time or found ahead of time and was fixed. #4. Useability ...well i guess for the most part enough said. remember you arent trying to sell Linux to new computer users really.. you are going to be trying to convince hard core windows users that know their way around windows and no how to keep their personal machine, server etc secure and free from hackers.