OMFG Client Server Apps
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Ajax in Action
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AJAX... Woo!! After 20 years of toil and effort we have managed to recreate the Client Server application model that held us strong all through the days before the PC. Cool. I love the hype around the reinvention of 30 year old tech, on a new platform
So is it just me, or is it a tad hypocritical to yell at them about "stealing" your work, when, from the perspective of the original Burgertime Creators, he "stole" from them?
I say , why not just give up and start somewhere thats not below sea level in a urricane zone. But I guess that would make too much sense. Besides, Old New Orleans would be a great dive site and could draw even more tourists to New New Orleans
I'ld like to agree, but I think its more about not really giving a fuck than being juvenile or "non conformist". I personally tend to wear my hair in fairly unconventional ways. ITs not even a fashion statement on my part, I just really dont care if I fit someone elses expectations. I tend to do what is easiest, works best at the time, or I like. If you laugh at me then all the better because I brought some humor into your life. On the otherhand Im also sequestered in a dark office where customers rarly tread so MMV I suppose.
Yeah...thats how things change... Now its IE that runs like a dog when you throw alot of DOM manipulation at it. (Read building tables and binding them to datasources on the client. It works but its just a lot harder to implement because it doesnt react correctly. The best example of this I can find is that setting certain attributes doesnt work (even if the element hasnt been rendered yet). This seems to be mostly related to styles (aka class and style are the ones that frustrate me the most). Overall Im just happy that there is an almost internally consisitent implementation. The next time an even better engine comes out we will all probably flock to that and decry how horrible SpiderMonkey/Rhino are.
I would say that the popularity of Firefox and the fact that there is a good implementation of a javascript runtime which can serve as a reference from which to attack the shitty implementations(cough cough... IE), that really made the difference. But hey we can blame it on a shitty acronym if you'ld prefer.
Um I wouldnt call it Christian propaganda so much as allegory. Im pretty sure that allegory to Christain religion is exactly what the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe IS. Maybe its just cause I was raised in a very conservative house, but I thought that the allegory was fairly obvious.
a single box housing both UMD and DVD, for slightly more than the price of buying both separately.
Cool I can get both for only a little more than it would cost to buy them both separatly!
And this is a good deal why?
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Effective XML
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Thats all well and good until you realise that your 40 lines of xml could have been sent as a three variable form post to the exact same webservice and everything would have been easier. On everyone. Its way easier to send an HTTP Post than it is to create a bunch of crap that wraps my three variables and explains that these three variables have some type (which is laughable since its coming in as a string).
XML is really cool until you realise that it is almost entirely pointless. You can release any specification for communication and have everyone implement it. Personally though HTTP Post is the way to go on web service.
We were curoius how broken it would be in IE 5. In IE5.5 everything was mostly ok. In IE 5 it hard crashes IE. I dont know if I've ever seen anything quite so beautiful as that browser going down in flames on its own homepage.
I think a more interesting prospect is that in the next 20 years, programmers by in large will become extinct due to the fact that computers will be able to writer their own, better programs. I mean all the programmers I've ever met (me included) are lazy sods. Once we figure out how to get the machine to reliably program itself, well then our whole field (species) is probably mostly useless. Does this mean we will disapear ala the dinosaurs. I think not. As long as humans exist they will need other humans to communicate for them. The humans best suited to talking to computers will probably be those who have been doing it the longest, programmers.
Just remember... as far as number 7 (mp3/warez) go, your school probably has a news server that probably has the binaries groups (if not Easynews is your buddy). Stay away from P2P (youll get the HIV if your not carefull). News Groups are your best friends. All the music / pr0n / warez you can ever want and there is nobody thats going to fuck with you about it.
Ive often wondered why nobody goes after the news groups. I mean its a bullitn board that has anything you would ever want on it. I guess most of the **AA folks are too stupid to figure it out. Whatever, at least I get my stuff.
Also, laptops are the best idea ever in class. I'm gonna assume your school is all wireless. This means you can cross reference what the professor is talking about with info on the interenet (no... not javascript tetris). Wikipedia can be invaluable in class. Well thats all the sagly advise I can muster at this early hour. Hope school goes better for you than it did for me:P
Its quite simple actually. You just apply inward pressure with your hands(palms) and manipulate its buttons with your fingers.
I really need 5000 people to buy them so I can get mine and be horribly disappointed in it. I know, I know, your thinking, "I did that already with the power glove in like 1989." That however, is old and busted... This is new hotness. Obviously you must bow before my compelling logic. Please impulse buy this product like I did so that all of us who impulse buy it can actully get one. Besides it cant be that bad. Go watch the video. it plausibly looks like it would work nicely.
So they pattented building tasklists from the word TODO scattered throughout the source code. Of all of the stupid things that they have patented, this is probably one of the more (read still not) legitimate ones. I mean Ok... from now on all my "Stuff to Accomplish" list items start by a STA: comment in code. This wouldnt be their to do list and would function the same.
Your pissed because the internet contains useless information? HOLY SHIT! You mean you didnt know, that is what 99.99% the internet is?!? Also, who gets to decide what information on the web is useless. If my family wants to find a specific post on my blog (ok so I dont have a narcissitic ranting/raving place, but if I did), google does a pretty good job of finding that. Um so I think we can file that into the +5 dumb category rather than Informative. I think this is exactly the point of the web. To store all that shit. Cuz while you may not want it there's approx 6 billion other people on the planet, some of which might find it useful.
As one of the two programmers at a small firm in a small college town, we recently had to go through the same questions in our most recent hiring process (for two more programnmers). Our concerns when hiring someone fresh out of college, is that everytime we have done that (4 total programmers) not a single one was actually prepared for programming in a business environment. They just had no grasp on anything but the theoretical. The biggest problem with a shcool education for programming is that in school, your code almost never has to be maintianed, especially for a years. This is a reality that really effects how good the produced code is. We live in a fairly small city (Gaineville, FL) and pay starting programmers 9-12$ an hr depending on how quickly we can think they can make a difference in the work flow. I also know that we give raises as soon as we feel you deserve it. I know this is less than most people waiting tables make in gainesville. However, I hated wating tables and I love programming so it was well worth the trade for me. Also I work a relatively stable schedule and they work when they are told. If your in a small town dont expect too much. Remeber cost of living is low for a reason. Also I wouldnt expect your education to make very much of a difference in starting salery. I know that I dont trust a starting guy to work on anything worth while for at least 2 months. I might get surprised one day, but mostly your college is nice background that means nothing to me. If it ends up your better than I thought you will get what you deserve, but dont think because you have an education you paid alot for that you are a good programmer and therefore deserve as lots of money. At least in our environment you need to show us what you got before you get good money.
Fair enough. Point taken. My only argument there was that including the word Jesus shouldnt automatically disqualify something as being a valid argument. I definately agree that leaving it out gives the statement much more broad applicability.
ALSO All hail Cthulu -- Eater of worlds. Now thats the sort of diety I can get into. I mean judging the universe is cool and all but devouring worlds is so much better
Teminology aside I dont think that adhering to the teachings of a man who was known to say such things as "Love thy neighbor as thy self" is all that bad of an idea. From my understanding, Jesus' teachings consist by and large of a philosophy of love and respect which i think are fairly honorable goals. All im saying is you end up looking like just as much an idiot as the christians rying to cram stuff down your throat when you try to cram the exact opposite down theirs. Do I think Christianity is for everyone. NO. But I think that it is probably not a bad thing for alot of people.
Everyone always bitches about visual designers. Is this just an elitist thing? I mean I know that if I could rely on a visual designer to do things correctly I would love that. The problem is the lack of Good visual designers. I mean I dont want them to take away the ability to write code, but I could really give two shits if I ever write another "make the database table display on the form" type of app. I mean seriously why would anyone have a problem with dragging the table you just designed on to a form an having it do everything about that translation for you. The only real problem is that everything that trys to do that right now sucks. Will this completely replace writing code. Not at all, It simply reduces how often you have to write the same thing. Its like me not using the code generator Ive written to save me that time simply because I didnt hand write all those classes. My only comment to that is I also didnt hand write all those classes. Thats 10000 lines of code that I would have had to type. No thought, just typing the variable name over and over and over.
Here's the deal with outlook as far as just selecting the email and it running arbitrary code. Outlook and Outlook Express both use IE to display HTML. If you have IE set to promt or disable all Active X scripts and controls, you are pretty much safe from these threats. The only way it will run arbitrary code is through an active x control/script in the HTML. This also cures most of IE's security flaws. If you have to use IE (work / webdev) It is almost a must that you disable / promt before running active X. The downside to this is that you have to click yes 47 times per page because damn near everything prompts. I noticed this when my outlook started prompting me to run active x. (of cource I said hell yeah bring on the pr0n and Virii.... mmmmm Yeah)
I think lack of innovation is a broad overstatemen
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I mean yes, for the stuff the end user use most there isn't much innovation. However from a developer standpoint they are all about innovation. Did everyone just forget.Net. I mean thats a pretty big deal for developers. Also.Net 2.0 is supposed to have drag and drop web interfaces. There is definately innovation, just maybe not in the area end users would see very often.
I hate reading everyday how students are stifled by the public education system. If a student is stifled it is their fault. Any and all well motivated student can go about as far as they want in public education. Also, they are students, who by default have a lot of free time on their hands. Meaning lots of time for hobbies and such (even work in the right job). If these people are truly geniuses, they will bend their environment to their will and get everything they want out of their education. To claim that genius is stifled is almost absurd being that genius by itself should be something that raises you above your environment and allows you to use what you have for extraordinary goals. Let me say that I went to school in Florida (49th in public education) and I never felt like I was out of room to grow. There was always a teacher willing to help a student actually interested in learning.
It is such a cop-out to say things like "I would have been better if not for the poor schools here." Life is what you make out of the opportunities you have, not what you could have made out of the possibilities you didn't get. Isaac Newton did not have a great public education and he invented new sciences that far excelled most people on the planet at that time. Genius is the ability to excel beyond what you are given. Its only normal to go as far as you're allowed.
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AJAX... Woo!! After 20 years of toil and effort we have managed to recreate the Client Server application model that held us strong all through the days before the PC. Cool. I love the hype around the reinvention of 30 year old tech, on a new platform
So is it just me, or is it a tad hypocritical to yell at them about "stealing" your work, when, from the perspective of the original Burgertime Creators, he "stole" from them?
I say , why not just give up and start somewhere thats not below sea level in a urricane zone. But I guess that would make too much sense. Besides, Old New Orleans would be a great dive site and could draw even more tourists to New New Orleans
Im pretty sure they consider H a subcategory of I
Why not both?
I'ld like to agree, but I think its more about not really giving a fuck than being juvenile or "non conformist". I personally tend to wear my hair in fairly unconventional ways. ITs not even a fashion statement on my part, I just really dont care if I fit someone elses expectations. I tend to do what is easiest, works best at the time, or I like. If you laugh at me then all the better because I brought some humor into your life. On the otherhand Im also sequestered in a dark office where customers rarly tread so MMV I suppose.
Yeah...thats how things change... Now its IE that runs like a dog when you throw alot of DOM manipulation at it. (Read building tables and binding them to datasources on the client. It works but its just a lot harder to implement because it doesnt react correctly. The best example of this I can find is that setting certain attributes doesnt work (even if the element hasnt been rendered yet). This seems to be mostly related to styles (aka class and style are the ones that frustrate me the most). Overall Im just happy that there is an almost internally consisitent implementation. The next time an even better engine comes out we will all probably flock to that and decry how horrible SpiderMonkey /Rhino are.
I would say that the popularity of Firefox and the fact that there is a good implementation of a javascript runtime which can serve as a reference from which to attack the shitty implementations(cough cough ... IE), that really made the difference. But hey we can blame it on a shitty acronym if you'ld prefer.
Um I wouldnt call it Christian propaganda so much as allegory. Im pretty sure that allegory to Christain religion is exactly what the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe IS. Maybe its just cause I was raised in a very conservative house, but I thought that the allegory was fairly obvious.
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Here is an entire article from wikipedia about this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronicles_of_Narnia
a single box housing both UMD and DVD, for slightly more than the price of buying both separately.
Cool I can get both for only a little more than it would cost to buy them both separatly!
And this is a good deal why?
Thats all well and good until you realise that your 40 lines of xml could have been sent as a three variable form post to the exact same webservice and everything would have been easier. On everyone. Its way easier to send an HTTP Post than it is to create a bunch of crap that wraps my three variables and explains that these three variables have some type (which is laughable since its coming in as a string).
XML is really cool until you realise that it is almost entirely pointless. You can release any specification for communication and have everyone implement it. Personally though HTTP Post is the way to go on web service.
Oh yeah, nice troll, you reeled me in.
We were curoius how broken it would be in IE 5. In IE5.5 everything was mostly ok. In IE 5 it hard crashes IE. I dont know if I've ever seen anything quite so beautiful as that browser going down in flames on its own homepage.
I think a more interesting prospect is that in the next 20 years, programmers by in large will become extinct due to the fact that computers will be able to writer their own, better programs. I mean all the programmers I've ever met (me included) are lazy sods. Once we figure out how to get the machine to reliably program itself, well then our whole field (species) is probably mostly useless. Does this mean we will disapear ala the dinosaurs. I think not. As long as humans exist they will need other humans to communicate for them. The humans best suited to talking to computers will probably be those who have been doing it the longest, programmers.
Yeah... I think all the ones in Texas
Just remember... as far as number 7 (mp3/warez) go, your school probably has a news server that probably has the binaries groups (if not Easynews is your buddy). Stay away from P2P (youll get the HIV if your not carefull). News Groups are your best friends. All the music / pr0n / warez you can ever want and there is nobody thats going to fuck with you about it.
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Ive often wondered why nobody goes after the news groups. I mean its a bullitn board that has anything you would ever want on it. I guess most of the **AA folks are too stupid to figure it out. Whatever, at least I get my stuff.
Also, laptops are the best idea ever in class. I'm gonna assume your school is all wireless. This means you can cross reference what the professor is talking about with info on the interenet (no... not javascript tetris). Wikipedia can be invaluable in class. Well thats all the sagly advise I can muster at this early hour. Hope school goes better for you than it did for me
Its quite simple actually. You just apply inward pressure with your hands(palms) and manipulate its buttons with your fingers.
I really need 5000 people to buy them so I can get mine and be horribly disappointed in it. I know, I know, your thinking, "I did that already with the power glove in like 1989." That however, is old and busted... This is new hotness. Obviously you must bow before my compelling logic. Please impulse buy this product like I did so that all of us who impulse buy it can actully get one. Besides it cant be that bad. Go watch the video. it plausibly looks like it would work nicely.
So they pattented building tasklists from the word TODO scattered throughout the source code. Of all of the stupid things that they have patented, this is probably one of the more (read still not) legitimate ones. I mean Ok... from now on all my "Stuff to Accomplish" list items start by a STA: comment in code. This wouldnt be their to do list and would function the same.
Your pissed because the internet contains useless information? HOLY SHIT! You mean you didnt know, that is what 99.99% the internet is?!? Also, who gets to decide what information on the web is useless. If my family wants to find a specific post on my blog (ok so I dont have a narcissitic ranting/raving place, but if I did), google does a pretty good job of finding that. Um so I think we can file that into the +5 dumb category rather than Informative. I think this is exactly the point of the web. To store all that shit. Cuz while you may not want it there's approx 6 billion other people on the planet, some of which might find it useful.
As one of the two programmers at a small firm in a small college town, we recently had to go through the same questions in our most recent hiring process (for two more programnmers). Our concerns when hiring someone fresh out of college, is that everytime we have done that (4 total programmers) not a single one was actually prepared for programming in a business environment. They just had no grasp on anything but the theoretical. The biggest problem with a shcool education for programming is that in school, your code almost never has to be maintianed, especially for a years. This is a reality that really effects how good the produced code is. We live in a fairly small city (Gaineville, FL) and pay starting programmers 9-12$ an hr depending on how quickly we can think they can make a difference in the work flow. I also know that we give raises as soon as we feel you deserve it. I know this is less than most people waiting tables make in gainesville. However, I hated wating tables and I love programming so it was well worth the trade for me. Also I work a relatively stable schedule and they work when they are told. If your in a small town dont expect too much. Remeber cost of living is low for a reason. Also I wouldnt expect your education to make very much of a difference in starting salery. I know that I dont trust a starting guy to work on anything worth while for at least 2 months. I might get surprised one day, but mostly your college is nice background that means nothing to me. If it ends up your better than I thought you will get what you deserve, but dont think because you have an education you paid alot for that you are a good programmer and therefore deserve as lots of money. At least in our environment you need to show us what you got before you get good money.
Fair enough. Point taken. My only argument there was that including the word Jesus shouldnt automatically disqualify something as being a valid argument. I definately agree that leaving it out gives the statement much more broad applicability.
ALSO All hail Cthulu -- Eater of worlds. Now thats the sort of diety I can get into. I mean judging the universe is cool and all but devouring worlds is so much better
Teminology aside I dont think that adhering to the teachings of a man who was known to say such things as "Love thy neighbor as thy self" is all that bad of an idea. From my understanding, Jesus' teachings consist by and large of a philosophy of love and respect which i think are fairly honorable goals. All im saying is you end up looking like just as much an idiot as the christians rying to cram stuff down your throat when you try to cram the exact opposite down theirs. Do I think Christianity is for everyone. NO. But I think that it is probably not a bad thing for alot of people.
Everyone always bitches about visual designers. Is this just an elitist thing? I mean I know that if I could rely on a visual designer to do things correctly I would love that. The problem is the lack of Good visual designers. I mean I dont want them to take away the ability to write code, but I could really give two shits if I ever write another "make the database table display on the form" type of app. I mean seriously why would anyone have a problem with dragging the table you just designed on to a form an having it do everything about that translation for you. The only real problem is that everything that trys to do that right now sucks. Will this completely replace writing code. Not at all, It simply reduces how often you have to write the same thing. Its like me not using the code generator Ive written to save me that time simply because I didnt hand write all those classes. My only comment to that is I also didnt hand write all those classes. Thats 10000 lines of code that I would have had to type. No thought, just typing the variable name over and over and over.
Here's the deal with outlook as far as just selecting the email and it running arbitrary code. Outlook and Outlook Express both use IE to display HTML. If you have IE set to promt or disable all Active X scripts and controls, you are pretty much safe from these threats. The only way it will run arbitrary code is through an active x control/script in the HTML. This also cures most of IE's security flaws. If you have to use IE (work / webdev) It is almost a must that you disable / promt before running active X. The downside to this is that you have to click yes 47 times per page because damn near everything prompts. I noticed this when my outlook started prompting me to run active x. (of cource I said hell yeah bring on the pr0n and Virii.... mmmmm Yeah)
I mean yes, for the stuff the end user use most there isn't much innovation. However from a developer standpoint they are all about innovation. Did everyone just forget .Net. I mean thats a pretty big deal for developers. Also .Net 2.0 is supposed to have drag and drop web interfaces. There is definately innovation, just maybe not in the area end users would see very often.
Just my opinion though.
Bullshit!
I hate reading everyday how students are stifled by the public education system. If a student is stifled it is their fault. Any and all well motivated student can go about as far as they want in public education. Also, they are students, who by default have a lot of free time on their hands. Meaning lots of time for hobbies and such (even work in the right job). If these people are truly geniuses, they will bend their environment to their will and get everything they want out of their education. To claim that genius is stifled is almost absurd being that genius by itself should be something that raises you above your environment and allows you to use what you have for extraordinary goals. Let me say that I went to school in Florida (49th in public education) and I never felt like I was out of room to grow. There was always a teacher willing to help a student actually interested in learning.
It is such a cop-out to say things like "I would have been better if not for the poor schools here." Life is what you make out of the opportunities you have, not what you could have made out of the possibilities you didn't get. Isaac Newton did not have a great public education and he invented new sciences that far excelled most people on the planet at that time. Genius is the ability to excel beyond what you are given. Its only normal to go as far as you're allowed.