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Chronicles of Narnia Trailer
Ant writes "After United States' broadcast debut of the "Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe" trailer on Saturday, May 7th during ABC's network premiere of "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets", Ain't It Cool News posted AOL's link to the QuickTime movie (direct link to download the 56 MB high quality trailer file)." Fix yourself some turkish delight and enjoy.
I think the Chronicles of Narnia was the first book(s) that I ever read on my own. I don't think a movie could ever capture the spirit of the words I read years ago.
I guess I'll be firing up mplayer's "vf pp=lb" option.
although I havnt read any of the books, almost everyone I know has (and gives me hell for it) so maybe it is nerd related :P
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They probably have enough bandwidth to handle the /.-effect I'm afraid..s
Here's disney's formula
- annoying animal sidekick
- fast paced animation
- slapstick humor
- no matter how historical the theme, bring it up to date with some uncalled for topical humor
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How is this nerd related in the slightest?
It combines a Disney product with Lewis' Christian messages.
Flamewar = ad revenues = stuff that matters
It's a SFF book. Nerds like SFF, haven't you heard?
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Anybody else get a little creeped out by the possibility that alot of what CS Lewis was doing with his fantasy writings was really Christian propaganda? I know this sounds terribly like a troll, but it's honestly not meant that way.
I originally liked the stories as a kid, but then I read The Screwtape Letters, and while I thought it was a neat exercise in combining Christian morality with fiction (the story is about one devil advising another devil on how to corrupt a soul), I also got the vague feeling that CS Lewis was out to manipulate the readers. Then THAT got me thinking that maybe he might be trying to do that with a lot more than just TSL...
Anyways, just wondering.
I remembered being in grade school and watching the movie and craving to try Turkish Delight. Well we had a "party" one time in class and one of the teachers brought it in. It was disgusting! So much for childhood dreams... As you can see, it's mainly just water, sugar and corn starch (corn flour).
Anyways, here's a link to the recipe for those that are interested.
Ingredients:
1lt (1¾ Pints) Water
900g (2lb) Sugar
285g (10oz) Corn Flour
225g (8oz) Icing Sugar
1½ tbsp Rosewater
2 tsp Lemon Juice
Red Food Colouring (optional)
[some] Nerds like Tolkien. Tolkien and Lewis were part of the same gang of lit nerds in Oxford. Therefore Lewis is [somewhat] similar to Tolkien. Therefore Lewis has [some] nerd interest.
Anyway, it's a news item about a new fantasy flick. I think that's nerdular enough. I was glad to see the article.
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You'd think they could figure out it's a linux box not a mac. I guess they just assume since it's not windows it must be a mac.
I'm also sick and tired of browsing through javascript trying to figure out exactly what the link to the actual file is that doesn't plugin correctly. Mplayer deals with the file fine, but the page won't tell me what the URL of the stream is.
Anyone have a torrent up?
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CS Lewis was a science fiction writer as well. Among other things he foretold the geo-stationary satellite.
If you can't be bothered to read the books, at least google first.
As if you haven't read this book 6 times, nerd.
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Yeah and the battle scenes of the trailer remind me of LotR movies. It's really inspired...
;)], it's actually OK.
Hope they don't make it as bad an adaptation the LotR movies were. Even if I don't particulary enjoy Disney/kids movies, when there is really nothing to watch [and/or when I'm really stoned
Fans of Tolkien's Lord of the Rings and Lewis' Chronicles of Narnia should also look for the work of the other authors that were in the same writing group at Oxford with those two. My favorite is G.K. Chesterton, but there is also Charles Williams and Dorothy Sayers.
No, that was Arthur C. Clarke, you idiot.
C.S.Lewis did write some "science fiction", but it was horribly inaccurate in all sorts of details, and like most of his writings it was a religious tract dressed up as a story.
Now that worked brilliantly with the Narnia stories, but in his science fiction (That Hideous Strength) it did not.
Incidentally, while I'm not even remotely religious, I think that his best writing was The Screwtape Letters. They're entertaining and they show his deep understanding of human nature.
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I thought it was Arthur C. Clark who had the idea for geo-stationary satellites...hence the "Clark Belt."
It's "no one," not "noone." Who the hell is noone anyway?
Traditionally (AFAIK), Turkish Delight comes with both red and green shapes (frequently just squares). I kinda like it, but it's an older candy froma a time when not everything had corn syrup in it.
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I can't even describe how happy I am to see these books come to screen. I absolutly loved the cartoon movie version as a kid and loved the books. I had actually just recently given the books to my girlfriends nephew. I'm sure the fact that there is going to be a movie about what he is reading will encourage him to read the books even more. :) :)
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Yes, indeed, Turkish Delight is disgusting to most people.
I've wondered if Turkish Delight was used in the story in reference to the unChristian and amoral Ottoman Empire?
What's the difference between proper turkish delight, which is nice but not great, and the rather tasty fry's turkish delight (package)?
true, the trilogy of "science fiction" novel he wrote should really be referred to as fantasy - probably something like "theological fantasy" at that. Just because it involves other planets, does not mean it has to be called SciFi - but people do that anyways.
methinks. Not quite sure if he's aware what turkish delight really entails these days. Here's a hint: nothing is sugar coated.
Too bad your question can't be modded "funny" without losing its "informative" mod...
Traditional Turkish Delight isn't all that great, but there is a company that makes a modern/Americanized version that has actual fruit it in. Very good stuff, my favorite candy.
http://www.libertyorchards.com/newfd.asp
That's like complaining that the Fountainhead seems to promote individualism, or 1984 seems down on totalitarianism, or that Mein Kampf seems a touch racist. It's the goal of the author, and it's not hidden.
He's not out to "manipulate", he's out to convert, and then to improve the behavior of the converted. That might be the same thing as manipulation in the books of many folks, and I can definitely see how you wouldn't want that out of a fantasy series...
But honestly, CS Lewis pretty much wrote Christian propaganda, books on why he's not an atheist, etc...
It's just like complaining that when you went walking in the rain you got wet, is all.
You're right. My bad. Always got those two names mixed up for some reason.
I figured I should take my own advice and found my mistake almost as soon as you could point it out.
Thanks for pointing out my idiocy, but in my defense it is really closer to haste and hypocrisy.
You should eat it with very strong coffee. I love it.
"Physics is to math as sex is to masturbation." -R. Feynman
You'd be amazed at the amount of anti-science drivel and neo-pagan mystic drivel that sneaks in the back door of the 'science fiction bookstore' these days.
Or maybe you wouldn't.
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My favorite is G.K. Chesterton,
I agree. I may disagree with a lot of what he said (he was a staunch Catholic, I'm not even Christian), but he was one sharp writer. For people who don't want to spend money before having a chance to review his work, click here.
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could be very bad. I hope the trailer is not scenes from the actual movie, because quite honestly, the overly done wardrobe scene turned my stomach.
This already looks like another movie that is *somewhat related but not nearly a cinima incarnation*. Doesn't it start with the birth of Narnia? Why is the light coming out of the *doorway* looking cofin in there with a freaking narnian apple tree on it? Wasn't the key idea that they walked into that world by fault?
If Disney ends up filming each of the Chronicles, how do they manage to continuity? The characters are going to grow up and the boys' voices will predicibly change before they can film the prequels. Or are they going to hire different actors, breaking continuity.
I imagine it was a business decision. Everyone's heard of "The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe" but "The Magician's Nephew" might not be as well known.
Overall, I'd say the trailer shows promise, though.
There was a whole horde of xtian propagandists out there at the time... the most eloquent was Lewis's personal inspiration George Macdonald. Try his book Lilith... blows ANYTHING Lewis wrote clean outa the water... and Lewis would have agreed. But just as much a xtian morality play.
But hey, the Lewic christian propoganda clique wrote alot better crap than the Hubbard scientology clique. So... as much as I hate the ilk of Christianity and their creepy followers... they could write a good story.
the only real problem with that is simply that in writing stories of christian inspiration, the enemies become other religions, and that is a loss because you lose the more advanced morality that was contained in pre-christian religions.
So, in the end... while it isn't a bad thing.. as it offers a greater imaginal content then groups such as the scientology clique, it is a mediocre thing as it is based within the christian ethos which was a grand sophmorizing and reduction of the complex religious that has not existed since the time of the roman syncretiscism.
Now damn, I wish I had downloaded this before it was SLASHDOTTED!. Dammit.
Fry's Turkish Delight has a fairly thin layer of chocolate on it, which IMHO improves it quite a lot without being overpowering.
Fry's are owned by Cadbury's; they also do one under the Cadbury name, but that's more like Turkish Delight-filled chocolate, and not so good IMHO.
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Quicktime 6.5.1 for Windows says: couldn't open the file, because the filename was bad. Well... appearently Apple programmer's just can't handle files as: chroniclesofnarniathelionthewitchandthewardrobethe _trlr_01_high_dl.mov
Yikes... bad sense at humor at AOL ! Of course changing the file name to a.mov does not the trick.
...the trilogy of "science fiction" novel he wrote should really be referred to as fantasy...
Since one of the characters of the story was Merlin, I don't think I could plausibly deny you that point.
But still, it irritates me that as a man of letters at Oxford, Lewis had access to some of the most brilliant physicists of his day, yet clearly didn't bother to consult any of them about the basic science of the non-fantasy aspects of his trilogy.
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Dorothy L Sayers shouldn't be mentioned in the same paragraph. When she was advised that a character in one of her books could be taken as anti-Semitic, she promptly started to write in positive but not over-signalled Jewish characters.
I mention this because one thing that does stand out about the writings of CSL is that, like Sayers, he was a Christian but not a fundamentalist bigot - he was too well educated, well connected and well read for that. In his adult science fiction he started to play with the idea that Christianity was a partial revelation, and that the battle between good and evil was going on in other civilisations elsewhere in the universe. It's a pity he got over mystical and started to bring in the Arthurian legends, because there is stuff in That Hideous Strength which to my mind spoils the book. But I guess no-one will make a film of it anyway, because it is anti-corporatist, anti-Statist and proposes that a small group of activists can and should employ rather violent means to defeat a technocratic dictatorship. In fact, if the Department of Homeland Security is reading this, you might want to investigate who has been reading That Hideous Strength. They might be potential terrorists.
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Does my memory decieve me, or weren't there six children (three boys, three girls) in LW&W?
Any idea which two they cut? All six, I remember, had pretty important roles.
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Isn't turkish delight the same stuff that's on the inside of jelly beans?
By its very nature Sci-fi does not need to be accurate IMHO(and that is just my view) , Though i did dislike his sci-fi but that was more because of the inconsistency. .
I agree that C.S.Lewis based most of his books on reworkings of bible fabels , his best works were definantly those that worked in the situations to more plausable realitys or reversed the intent(such as the Screwtape Letters), Less moralising more retelling (I am also not a christian , but the screwtape letters was great).
His sci-fi just seemed detached to me . Whilst his descriptions of the worlds and cultures are grand , it all too often has a cold primal quality more akin to fantasy than sci-fi. Out of the Silent Planet for example (the first in his space trillogy) Perhaps i missunderstood it , but it seemed like a retelling of the fabel of jobe perhaps a little mixed with the Jesus fabel , it just didnt ever sit right. He could evoke such great atmosphere , but then ruined it by an all too familiar moral over-tone that brought it back down to earth with a clattering kaboom. Perlandera was just awfull imho , it simply apeard far far too moralising . The strugle against the Devil it was just all too blatent by that point
I did enjoy the narnia books (and the BBC version of which) but i much preferd the tales of the brothers grim for my fairly land readings
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would you prefer "internet explorer impaired" or maybe something to make you feel better like "while you cannot watch the movie you also are not open to 95% of the viruses, worms, spyware, malware, etc out there :)!"
I guess. And mostly I like hard science based science fiction.
On the other hand:
"Any sufficiently advanced form of technology is indistinguishable from magic" - Clarke.
Clarke's own work is fairly "hard" science fiction, but sometimes has fantasy elements to it. So I'd be hard put where to draw the line. In the end, the quality of the writing is more important than such niceties. It's all fiction.
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Better check with your doctor. It might be a tumourus nerdule that needs to be removed or treated.
Get the kind with pistachias in it. Yummy.
evil is as evil does
That's a valuable lesson, you have to use the British tastiness scale, which is a lot different than normal people's.
Mmmm, steak and kidney and liver and entrail pie....
Might be partly because the costumes and props were mostly done by WETA, the same company that did them for LOTR.
I haven't set up a torrent before, so this may not work, but you can try this.
Though last I checked the source site was actually holding up astoundingly well. It gave me download speeds exceeding 300Kb/s.
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I think I've seen those in the check out line at Fry's Electronics
"What does raise my hackles more than other is prozelysation, though. This of ocurse includes some Christian evangelcal sects and writers, but I am just as annoyed by prozelytising Hindu and Islamic sects as well. Hint: if I'm interested I promise to come over to your church/synagogue/temple/kiva/bloodstained sacrificial altar and discuss it, but knocking on my door, pushing leaflets in my hand or harassing me on the town is making me less - not more - likely to have a kind thought about what you believe in."
Guess that explains why that new fangled consumer religion is so unpopular.
While I agree with you on the "feel" of OotSP, I do feel you are missing the original context, and therefore the full power of the stories.
The most interesting thing I found in the novels is the idea that an orthodox writer was telling an (originally) orthodox audience stories of how the bible might not be a complete picture of God's creation.
Is Google still down?
As in the book by Judy Bloome? That'd be tons of fun :).
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I'm still waiting for "Bridge to Terabithia" meself, though
So what's wrong with critizing for criticism's sake? There's no need to have a plausable alternative. Criticism helps us decide is something is good or bad.
It certainly helps you save the 10 bucks to go see a sucky movie. And you can always ignore the critics anyway.
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Good News! There is a still lot of hate for lots of different religions! It may seem more politically correct to bash Christianity because its easier to dismiss Western, liberal anti-Christians as kooks or malcontents. But labelling harmless, if ignorant, criticism as "hate," doesn't help. If you want to defend your religious tradition, don't lash out at skeptics. (That's not the "Christian" thing to do, either, is it?)
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Bwahaha, excellent troll! I salute you sir. Getting modded "+1 Informative" is the icing on the cake.
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
They're actually starting with the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe like they're supposed to? Every set of the books I see nowadays starts with "The Magician's Nephew" for the stupid reason that it is the first chronologially.
http://blackbox02.cs.washington.edu:11223/cgi-bin/ narnia.mov.torrent
And the religious folks feel the same way about all this secularism being shoved down our throats.
What's interesting is my local library happens to have a set of PBS made movies for the entire series. I remember watching them as a kid, so my guess is that they were made in the late 80's, early 90's. They were pretty good adaptations from the books, so it doesn't appear that this is the first time they've been brought to film.
I bet you're American. Gotta love the nation that gave us the cheesburger complaining about British food.
Oh well. The Michelin guide would appear to disagree with you. So would Egon Ronay and Gourmet magazine.
I couldn't get it to download, so here's a mirror: http://mirrordot.org/stories/2b9b2fcad49f9541a8445 7c02038dde8/chroniclesofnarniathelionthewitchandth ewardrobethe_trlr_01_high_dl.mov
The "Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe" movie from the 70s was really awesome. As kids, I remember watching it and getting all emotional about Ashland, the lion. It was brilliant for me. I haven't watched it since so I don't know how my adult self would react to it now. But I do have fond memories.
I've read the books up to Prince of Narnia, but I haven't read past that. Most of his books have been brilliant.
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I wonder what the Childcare Action Project will make of such a Christian movie, which will feature no unnatural creatures or magic or mythology...
Executing believers is "hard line". Jokes implying that believers are deluded are not.
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They're actually starting with the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe like they're supposed to? Every book version I've seen nowadays starts with The Magician's Nephew for the silly reason that it is the first chronologically.
Lewis was not originally Christian. He was an atheist. But he soon became friends with Tolkien, a devout Catholic. It was Tolkien that converted Lewis to Christianity.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive." - C.S. Lewis
Lewis' Christianity was central to his life and career, as is well documented. Where are you getting this "atheist" line from?
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Lewis wrote space sci-fi as well, try reading Out of the Silent Planet and the rest of that trilogy.
Doesn't that make him a nerdy author ?
He didn't even know that Aslan was going to suffer and die until he reached that point in the story. Then, the whole thing became ``Christian'' and then the story became `what if a Christ came to redeem another world?'
Narnia was pitched towards children. If we were talking about the Great Divorce or one of Lewis' works intended for adults, I'd be inclined to entertain this notion.
Far more likely, Lewis chose the name because Turkey is exotic and far away sounding to kids. The ancestor post said it best -- his childhood imagination concocted something much tastier than the real thing.
Edmond could have just as easily have asked for Baclava.
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No trees were killed in the creation of this post. However, many electrons were inconvenienced.
Regardless, by the time the book was published it was clearly intended to be full of Christian metaphor.
It's chronologically the first in the set, but it details the Professor as a young boy going to Narnia when it was first formed, encountering the future White Witch, and other nifty things that make you want to go back and reread the first book after you're done. One of my favorites in the series along with The Silver Chair.
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The League of Concerned Satanists will no doubt lambast this movie as Christian propaganda, due to its thinly veiled allegory.
English is easier said than done.
The other day on the radio they were discussing Narnia, and how it appears as though it's Disney's big attempt to revitalize itself in the movie industry. They're putting more money into it than any movie they've ever done, and some of the higher-ups at Disney have said they're expecting it to work for the company similar to how The Little Mermaid did.
If you compare it to any other Disney live action movie, none of the others come even close in terms of scope, story, budget, costume design, sets, CGI, etc. They're putting a lot on this movie.
Since both my wife and I are big fans of Lewis (my wife even more so), I hope Disney's gamble pays off. There's word that they're hoping they can do additional stories from the book series, which makes sense if the movie is profitable.
As for the few people that complain about it being a movie about Christianity, who really cares? Even though I'm considered a "Christian conservative", I still enjoy movies about other religions and cultures. They're not trying to hide what the story is really about, and there's people out there that actually ENJOY movies about Christianity (see the success of Passion of the Christ for an example). Just get off your anti-religious podium for a second and try thinking about it as just a story, similar to how some colleges will read portions of The Bible or Paradise Lost.
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So would Egon Ronay and Gourmet magazine.
WTF do the Ghostbusters have to do with this?
I'm far less nervous about what choices will be made with the x-tian themes than I am about the straight-up colonialist assumptions in the books.
There is a constant repetition of the "Free White North - Narnia in the North" and endless representations of the "southerners" as evil and dark-skinned (and therefore evil). They are characterised as Muslims but presented as workshipers of a violent god who demands bloodshed (Tash). There's a whole whack of damaging orientalism(s) constructed around the non-whites in the books (vioent, uncaring of human life, savage, full of intrigue) - and no matter how carefully handled in these movies - its bound to raise some tensions.
I guess I wonder whether the director will pander to the x-tian right sense of superiority or make some effort to negativise the more rascist aspects of the series.
It's only natural to confuse them, since Lewis and Clarke did so much exploring together. :)
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Well that's pretty suspicious. Sounds like they stole code.
...on the chance that this is not a troll, but code analysis a la Laura DiDio (SCO shrill). MPC is a thin GUI layer calling system-wide codecs to decode video. One of the inputs is presumably the file name, which the .mov decoder doesn't handle correctly. So they fail because they call on the exact same code, code that it is fully legal for MPC to call on.
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The problem with them (and I say this as a baptised Catholic) is that Christians only tolerate them when they show positive aspects of Christianity. Any other interpretation (Last Temptation of Christ) or raking over past Church misdeeds (Magdalene Sisters) and the "Christian" "Right" goes nutty.
Something that annoys me as a Christian fiscal conservative to be lumped in with the Jerry Falwells, and that someone else's vision could be considered to interfere with mine.
It's a sign of lack of faith, not faith, when the self appointed censors get suited up on movie censor battles.
Ignoring the discussion on the themes of the book for the moment, does anyone else find the trailer's disneyfied colors somewhat glaring to the eye? Everything seems to be supersaturated primary colors. Take a look at the children's lips in the winter scene's for a good example.
He might not have admitted it, but go look at the history, theme and language.
In Chesterton's Lepanto with the Black Azrael and Ariel and Ammon on the wing to the black riders of the Nazgul.
You have Southrons and Black Orcs speaking a unfamilar and uncouth lingua franca who come out of an Asia Minor shaped Mordor to besiege Vienna...I mean Minas Tirith, the siege it and because of a treaty, between two nations that don't see eye to eye in all matters (Austria and Poland/Lithuana), Jan Sobieski's Poles/Rohan ride to the rescue, they break the siege and it's over.
Saruman/Suleiman, also known as Sharku/Sheik.
Tolkien was a devout Roman Catholic and he undoubtably would have been familiar with the events between Europe and the Ottoman Empire over the centuries.
Of course, now that my parent has been modded down to -1, Offtopic, my response should be dealt with similarly.
But, uhh, please don't.
I guess the system works - although the system may be insane.
garethw
meant "go smoke out and see the nice cartoon with the pretty colors".
I am a
American stereotype: Cheeseburger (essentially, just beef)
British stereotype: Kidney pie (what it sounds like)
American stereotype: Steak (essentially, just beef)
British stereotype: Black pudding (I'm not typing it, I just ate and want to keep my food down.)
Most of the time I've heard British cousine discussed by British folk, it's in negative terms, but I hear there are lots of great chefs who can cook foreign foods well. Thank God.
Remember, that this was a series (the Chronicles). Later characters were in fact introduced. Of the earth children there were in Lion Witch & The Wardrobe:
Four Children: Lucy, Edmund, Peter, Susan.
In the prequel "The Magician's Nephew" (most people I know have read LWW first, although this is labelled as book one), the two main characters were: Digory and Polly. This book dealt with the creation of Narnia and the origins of the White Witch, etc.
Later books introduced characters such as Eustace (the original childrens' cousin, a spoiled brat who later redeems himself), and in a subsequent book his friend Jill.
Of course there are many memorable Narnian characters as well, including marsh wiggles, a talking rat, a human (though Narnian) prince, a young arabic boy, and more...
You'd be amazed at the amount of anti-science drivel and neo-pagan mystic drivel that sneaks in the back door of the 'science fiction bookstore' these days.
Or maybe you wouldn't.
The back door is the most logical place for science fiction to come into bookstores when you consider that the sci-fi section is almost always stuck in a corner near the back of the store.
Where are the mod points when I need them? A most excellent response.
I had a mainly Christianity-Free upbringing, and I literally had no clue the CoN were Christian until sometime in high school.
"In a world of peace, four children are sent to a strange house, where they find a portal to another world of perpetual snow and talking animals."
*Cue gratuitous beaver shot*
"My word, Sons of Adam and Daughters of Eve! Come in and and have tea!"
Four children clash hands together and shout "Talking Beavers! Excellent!"
But then one encounters a mysterious woman:
"Yes, dear boy. I am an evil witch! You can tell by my impeccable manners and cut-glass English accent!"
"Uh oh!"
"Like some Turkish Delight?"
"Are they like Hershey Bars?"
"Yes, but not quite as evil and low carb as well"
To be continued...
*sigh*
Tubby or not tubby. Fat is the question
Mormons love C.S. Lewis, but he hated them back.
Trivia question: which character in the Chronicles of Narnia is explicitly a low-blow swipe at Mormons?
Mmmm, steak and kidney and liver and entrail
I have a handy compression algorithm to list those ingredients (and many more!) in just two words: Hot dog.
You can't take the sky from me...
British stereotype: Kidney pie (what it sounds like)
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British stereotype: Black pudding (I'm not typing it, I just ate and want to keep my food down.)
Have you eaten either of these things?
Kidneys are a prefectly eatable part of an animal, and a good Steak & Kidney pie is a great pleasure (although you should probably avoid cheap frozen/chilled supermarket pies on your first attempt).
A good black pudding is a joy. Try it.
I think British cooking went into decline after World War II, and people lost pride in the classics -- but there are classics, and if done well, they are delicious.
If you're actually interested in classic British cooking, look at the books of Gary Rhodes, a well respected chef who champions traditional English dishes.
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Of course, you think that about everything, Mary Jane.
"That dog looks just like a bong too!"
I'm American, but I love blood sausages like black pudding. The idea may sound gross to thosed unaccustomed, but it's really quite tasty. Besides, how is it any less gross than any other type of sausage which is ground up flesh in a wrapper, or even steak which when cooked right bleeds profusely when eaten.
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Wow! How did you do that? : )
You can't take the sky from me...
Tolkien and Lewis were good pals to my knowledge.
Wetta, the shop created by Peter Jackson for Lord Of The Rings, based in New Zealand, is the special effects and costume company Disney employed to do Narnia.
That's why is looks a lot like LOTR.
Well, I'm looking forward to seeing these just for the special effects and nostalgia factor.
I remember back in grade school, one of my teachers (really nice guy, Mr. Snow I think) would take time out in the afternoons and read to us from the Narnia books for like an hour. One of the best memories I had from school. I could just relax and live in the story.
I re-"read" them recently as an audiobook when I was doing a lot of driving. It's good audiobook fodder; something light that won't distract you enough to get you into a car wreck, but something other than mile after mile of concrete, asphalt, and bumpers.
What, no car chase? And I didn't see a single explosion in that trailer. What's up with THAT!
Holy hell, you broke AOL.
On another trailer-related note, the Quicktime trailer site has Serenity and Batman Begins trailers in 1920x1080. (AKA 1080 HDTV...they say 1080 PROGRESSIVE though, never heard of 1080p, only ever seen 1080i) unfortunately, even windows users can't play them for the time being because QT7 is only out for MacOS right now.
Luckily, I found a 720p copy in xvid on Usenet to keep me occupied until then. Go me! (If anyone's wondering, it's on alt.binaries.multimedia and was posted like half a day ago)
Friend: "The NIC is misconfigured..." Me: "No prob, I'll just telnet in and fix it." *Silence*
No. Remember that to a Christian, like Lewis, these are not metaphors. They are realities, like rocks or trees or time. He intended it to be full of things.
The asking of informed questions underlies science. A question presupposes the assumptions made in asking the question and, therefore, dictates the elements of the answer. A question is nothing if not informative.
"Academicians are more likely to share each other's toothbrush than each other's nomenclature."
Cohen
since they were my two favorite authors. One of Lewis' inspirations (he's said that he regarded him as his master) was George MacDonald. I agree. Now, not all of MacDonald's stuff is great, some of it is just hokey Victorian children's stories, but some has a spirit and spirituality that goes beyond Lewis in some direction. To anyone wanting to investigate I'd suggest collections of his short stories, 'The Golden Key' and 'The Wise Woman' being two of my favorites. My favorite passage of all though comes from one of his full books (which one I don't remember right now).
What Tolkien thought of MacDonald I don't recall, but his 'Smith of Wooten Major' is reminiscent to me, for its sense of something higher and unknown.
Someday we'll all be negroes
[Turkish Delight] was disgusting. ... Anyways, here's a link to THE recipe for those that are interested. (emphasis added)
I think that underscores a common falicy of our day. Saying that there is *one* recipe for a confection that dates back 2000+ years is preposterous, bordering on absurd. There are as many different recipies for Turkish delight as there are grandmas in the Middle East. (Actually, strike that - Mid East grandmas don't need a recipe.) Shucks, even the Joy of Cooking gives at least two.
Conceptually, T.D. is congealed fruit paste. (Think extra thick jelly.) The thickener can be corn starch, but traditionally it's pectin, and some recipes use gelitain. And while Rose and Lemon is one traditional flavor combination, there isn't any limit to it, you could do others.
You might have found one recipe disgusting, but that doesn't mean you wouldn't like others. Without more details, it's hard to say what you ate.
To each his own, but I actually love rose and lemon Turkish delight. Probably the best non-chocolate confection I've had. (The rose flavor is probably an aquired taste - there isn't much precident for it in western cuisine.)
...made a very good example, where the answer is really implicit in the question. A question may point out flaws and weaknesses for others to see, without directly giving the answer. Still informative. It's all about how you formulate it.
Your post could be reformulated as "Questions are not informative". This post could be reformulated as "Could it be informative by pointing out flaws and weaknesses?" The answer is implied because if it was the opposite, the post would make no sense.
Kjella
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regardless. After a lot of Narnia stories you've gotten familiar with it. It's wonderful to 'step out of' it at that point and start from scratch with new characters, and a world bigger than Narnia. And then that turns into Narnia's beginning. Just in time then, for the series to return to the familiar characters, and finally end. I think "Magician's Nephew"'s published position bookends the series with great effect.
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I've only read any of Charles Williams work (one book) but, it sucked (imo). I haven't read the others. But, Lewis wrote that he considered George MacDonald his master, and MacDonald wrote fantasy with Christian (more, moral) themes, which could be very beautiful and spiritual (not explicitly Christian). If you're interested in Lewis I'd investigate MacDonald before those others.
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one... some things should just be left alone. Is hollywood running out of ideas ? There hasn't been a good movie for quite some time now , except for those that were translated from books to film and weren't f'd up ( and those are few ). There's nothing worse (when movies are concerned) than seeing a good old childhood memory being raped by a hollywood director.
The Dutch will inherit the earth. If not, we'll settle for a bit of ocean. Beta delenda est!
Try a Big Turk bar.
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I guess it surprises me that a kid could know that the movies wouldn't be the same as the books. You're fortunate, I hope I'm able to get it to my future kids via book the first time, too.
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and just like magic, the link and the move disopate.
I think you're playing tricks with language - you made an argument regarding the word "informed", and then made the leap of applying it to the word "informative".
I agree, one can ask an informed question; I disagree that one can ask an informative question.
Hint to Mods: I think this one's +((-1)^0.5), Irrational.
;)
garethw
Cheeseburger (essentially, just beef)
The actual quality of the cuts depends on the burger, ground up, with a substance totally unlike cheese. England has dozens of types of cheese. We know what the stuff is supposed to taste like, and it sure as hell doesn't taste like that. Then sandwiched between 2 halves of a steam baked roll that tastes nothing like decent bread.
British stereotype: Kidney pie (what it sounds like)
That's "Steak and kidney pie". Quality of pastry is essential. So is decent gravy. Kidneys may not sound all that appetising, but it's no worse than liver. It's also a 1950's stereotype.
American stereotype: Steak (essentially, just beef)
Texan, perhaps. You can get steak in Britain as well.
British stereotype: Black pudding (I'm not typing it, I just ate and want to keep my food down.)
Well, apart from the fact that black pudding tastes quite nice, it's not that popular these days.
You seem to be convinced that because british food was of poor quality shortly after a crippling war with large scale rationing, and severse shortages, it is still poor quality.
Most of the time I've heard British cousine discussed by British folk, it's in negative terms, but I hear there are lots of great chefs who can cook foreign foods well. Thank God.
You don't know a lot of brits then. Otherwise you'd notice that most of the time the brits talk about vrits, it's in negative terms. We're a ntion of complainers. It's what we do.
in its general direction.
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I like how you denounce cheap, fast-food cheeseburgers (many of us like our hamburgers on good toasted bread with good cheese, maybe a blue) but go on to say that "quality of pastry is essential." Give me a fucking break; I'm sure there are plenty of cheap steak and kidney pies.
In any case, I would think that the cheeseburger of England is the fish and chips, but that might just be a stereotype.
I'm sorry but it seems as though Narnia doesn't believe in dust. Everything in the trailer appears squeeky clean. One thing I particularly enjoyed about the Lord of the Rings was that pieces were dated well and you could honestly believe that this is something that exists in reality.
Frankly there's no way an old British woman and four children could keep that house perfectly dusted.
Furthermore, what's with the horrible choice of colors? I've never seen so many primary and secondary colors used in costume and set design in my life. If Narnia is so primitive, technologically, wouldn't it make sense that they would have to use natural dyes--frankly you can't get colors that perfect from natural dye.
Disney just isn't selling it.
This is the same author that did for Cupid and Psyche in Till We Have Faces what he did for Christianity in The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe.
No shit. When I went on a tour of Europe a few years ago I remember enjoying the local food in every country except Britian. Its like every menu I saw was like an American Chili's or Bennigens with all of the good stuff taken out. After a week I was glad to eat McDonald's food for the first time in my life. Otherwise the island was great. (the only other problem was the price of things. Stuff like CDs and the like cost as many pounds as they cost in dollars here, despite the fact pounds are worth more. Never understood that....)
I was just sad that many of the poor Britons haven't tried some really good food like some Tex-Mex.
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I grew up in a South where the official logo of the Alabama Democratic Party was a rooster crowing "White Supremacy for the Right." Today's Democratic party, particularly in the 'blue' urbanized areas on the two coasts, has replaced its racial bigotry with religious bigotry. Where they once warned of the alleged horrors of black people voting or holding political office, they now try to scare us (the "creeped out" quoted above) with the alleged dangers of religious people voting or hold political office, particularly in our courts. And to "protect" the courts, they've turned to the same technique they used to block civil rights legislation, the filibuster. They've not changed one bit.
Note too how most Democrats behave when the topic really is a nasty sort of religion that represses freedom, kills the innocent, and plans world conquest. There many on the left are as AWOL from the struggle for human freedom against an "axis of evil" as they were during the Cold War when the "evil empire" was communism.
In the words of Lewis, contemporary secularism wants us to live in a grim and repressive world where it is "always winter but never Christmas"--as illustrated by politically correct public schools that have "winter holidays" rather than the delights of Christmas.
And yes I know it's rather stupid to drop the word Christmas but keep the word "holidays"--meaning "holy days." But then bigots are never very bright, whether they're Klansman, school bureaucrats, or Hollywood lefties.
So bravo to Disney for telling us the movie will come out "This Christmas."
--Mike Perry, Seattle, Editor: Dachau Liberated, Author Untangling Tolkien
The parent has a good explanation of CS Lewis's intentions.
... you mean prepare a suicide bomber to unleash the ultimate destruction upon the forces of evil, then, yeah, all they did was to wait for events to unfold.
If you're going to blame religion, be sure to blame the lack thereof.
Obviously, while they didn't use any religion for an excuse of their behavior, neither did they find any reason in it to prevent them from such things as the Stalinist purges, or all the crimes against humanity in China.
And both of those examples are under avowedly atheist governments (note that I say governments--I'm aware of superstition which persists among the Chinese populace, but it was the government behind the atrocities).
Now, you may say that you are not responsible because you believe different things. Believe it or not, many people do NOT condone the violence of the past--e.g. the late Pope John Paul II who went to great lengths to apollogize for history. But you cannot have it both ways. Either you are guilty with them for sharing the designation 'atheist' and therefore share the guilt of more deaths than any religion, or such comparisons are unfair and irrelevant.
I hate all religions
If you want to see the root of religious hatred, which is the core of this violence and these problems, I suggest you look in a mirror. Until people can deal with that hatred you know too well, we will continue to have needless death and violence.
It informs us that they have a question.
Or something.
I guess it could also inform us that they (either the mods or OP) were clueless, but that might well be redundant.
The term inform and, hence informed, suggest the imparting of information. The term information isn't necessary in terms of our exchange and it's tricky. The term informative suggests a definition closer to what you have used in your point that a question can be informed. Informative suggests instruction and I think a question, well formed, is instructive. Therefore I think a question is, in our context, better defined in terms of being informative than informed. A question could be said to have implicit within it's structure an informative nature.
"Academicians are more likely to share each other's toothbrush than each other's nomenclature."
Cohen
Why do they always start with the second book in the series???
I actually think the stuff is divine. Yumm. Not as sweet as chocolates etc, which I also like, but still nice. Depends on the person I guess.
Bitter and proud of it.
until today, I always assumed the kidney portion of that name referred to kidney beans..
'scuse me whilst I go outside to hurl at my newfound knowledge....
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Mods have a very dry sense of humor, don't they?
I actually don't know which post to reply to- alot of them seem to fear Disney is going to wreck it. Worry not, this is just as disney as any pixar film (I.E., none except for funding and distribution).
My sister has been following this for about two years now, and Disney wasn't involved at the begining. Walden Media is the player who actually picked up the rights and started making this film with Andrew Adamson. Adamson then hired none other then Douglas Gresham (step son of C.S. Lewis) to maintain literary integrity to the beloved works. As a disney spokesperson recently said at a confrence "We can't sneeze without Douglas Gresham knowing about it."
I think this is going to be an amazing movie and I think its high time for Clive's work to be done justice on the big screen. Personally, like alot of others I know, seeing it as a good movie will be a dream come true.
FYI, best resorce online for narnia stuff is Narniaweb.com. If you want more info, check it out.
In "The Silver Chair" was just an absolutely brilliant bit of casting. The perfect actor for that role.
http://disney.go.com/disneyvideos/animatedfilms/mi yazaki/index2.html
Aparently they didn't have any problem with "Spirited Away" either.
Kidneys may not sound all that appetising, but it's no worse than liver.
Er... yes it is! Kidneys are what filter all the gross stuff out of your bloodstream and turn it into urine. In all seriousness, I'd rather eat testicles.
Steak is a piece of flesh from a murdered animal.
Talk about double standards.
until today, I always assumed the kidney portion of that name referred to kidney beans..
'scuse me whilst I go outside to hurl at my newfound knowledge....
Are you a vegetarian or something?
Also, what parts of a cow go into those "100% beef patties" at your favourite fast food chain, do you reckon?
Mmmm, applets & cotlets. Basically, they are apple and apricot turkish delights from WA. Good stuff and they always seemed to show up at holidays when I was growing up.
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In this day and age, eating animal parts that are used to filter crap out of the animals system just doesn't seem like a very good idea.
Never mind the taste involved.
No Comment.
You may wish to inject your morals into that argument, but that does not make the parent's post a double standard.
The opinion that eating meat is murder has no bearing on whether kidney/liver etc is as healthy as flesh.
That's the biggest problem with most people that share your point of view on this topic. You tend to be elitist about it and end up alienating everyone that doesn't share your position, leaving you with pretty much absolutely NO recourse to actually share your point of view.
You do notice how extremely close you came to calling the parent a murderer directly? Not exactly the way to open doors.
No Comment.
Personally, I'm quite fond of a nice rump steak.
Saying that eating kidneys is disgusting is a matter of personal opinion. I merely point out that some people find eating meat disgusting. The other poster claimed that kidneys were disgusting because it sounded unpleasant. I merely point out that a steak can be made to sound unpleasant as well.
Whenever Brits get insulted by their food they tend to try and reverse the charge, and imply that every restaurant in the US is a greasy spoon diner in the middle of the desert. The simple fact is the average American restaurant, serving standard American food, is still far superior to the average British restaurant, serving average British food. And a lot of times it's the same food, only the American places know how to prepare it. Order a hamburger in a British pub, then come over here and order it in an American one. You'd be quite surprised.
I see you are still bitching about moderation. You post the most insipid comments.
Fascism trolls keeping me up every night. When I starts a preachin', he HITS ME WITH HIS REICH!
Crusades were a defense of territory historically owned by the Roman Empire peacefully for over a thousand years against its invasion and subjugation by Islamic hordes conquering and plundering their way out of Arabia.
Nonsense. By the time the Crusades started, Muslim powers had controlled the Holy Land for 4 centuries. If that is what you call a defense it got a pretty late start.
No the Crusades were fueled by bigotry, parochialism and (later) greed.
anyone else read lewis' sci-fi novels ('out of the silent planet',
perelandra, and 'that hideous strength'?) -- i'd think for a geek,
it'd be cooler to see those in film.
j.
btw - it is highly ironic that c.s. lewis highly disliked disney.
Ideally, religion exists to provide a framework for spirituality, to guide people along a path that will better them. Admittedly, this will always cause complaints when people decide that some part or another of the religion is inconvenient. *wry grin* And at that, due to the way human psychology works, we still have a lot of "tying up the cat" holdovers. People will pick up little superstious habits or will hold on to rituals for the sake of tradition.
On the off chance the phrase "tying up the cat" doesn't suggest anything to you, I use it relating to the old joke about the [generic religious leader] and his pet cat. Basically, the [generic religious leader] had a pet cat. The catch is that the cat would try to come up onto the [designated sacred ground] while he was in the middle of his [designated spiritual rituals], so he'd have the cat leashed in another room. Well, the [generic religious leader] died and his underlings continued to leash the cat. The cat died. They bought another cat. Eventually, a series of rules was codified on the proper way to tie up the cat and much was written on the spiritual and symbolic significance of tying up the cat. *shrug* It may seem farfetched, but how many people think that candles in Christian masses are purely a symbolic gesture of light and hope versus a holdover from when masses were held in catacombs? The candles have become a symbol for the people, but their origins were something more practical, relating to a relatively bygone age.
As to religion's effectiveness, I'm reminded of an old joke about democracy, "Democracy is the worst possible system of government, but it's the best one out there." Religion is a crutch, but look at who's not limping.
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