"All Natural" can mean almost anything - just have a look at the ingredients on the back of anything bearing that label and decide for yourself how 'all natural' processed food is.
The labeling for all natural doesn't seem to be as stringent as the other labels, but that is changing.
Remember all that pet food that was tainted? Half of it was branded 'all natural' and all of it was billed as being full of 'wholesome goodness' and other such crap. Sure, if by 'all natural' 'wholesome goodness' you actually mean 'pool cleaner'.
Huh? You're talking about that pet food that was intentially posioned? Sorry, no amount of labels are going to help you there. And that can happen at any food company. So unless your plan is to grow ALL your own food, you're just gonna have to trust food companies.
How about milk? It does a body good, right? Ever been to a dairy farm or a pasteurizing plant? They tend not to show the pus-filled milking tubes in the magazine ads. Is that not slightly deceptive?
Ya, I have. I live in VT, we have our share of farms here. The nice thing about pasteurization is that it kills the bacteria that may be living in the "pus filled tubes." Of course there are smaller farms too that don't use that machinary, and you can buy your milk there if you like. But please tell me, have you tested milk and found consistently that there's something wrong with it?
Know what happens to expired milk - it goes right back to the plant for reprocessing. Mmmmm, yummy, spoiled milk recycled right bac in with the 'farm fresh' stuff!
No, it goes to make things like yogurt and cream. No need to reprocess it when people are willing to add some fruit and eat it, is there?
And don't even get me started on the claims made by peddlers of bottled water.
What claims? At worse, they say it's filtered.. and it is. Water that says it comes from springs or whatever needs to actually come from a spring.
Companies may adhere to the letter of the law, but certainly not to the spirit. Advertising is notoriously deceptive and misleading, in food and health and computers and virtually every other industry. Until you've worked in any of these industries, you need to be very cautious about taking their proclamations of sincerity and legal adherence on faith.
Wow, you think that's news? The fact is though you can see what's in your food by looking at the standardized labeling. So ya you can market something as a healthy snack for kids, and one serving may be. It's up to you though to look at the label and decide if 25g of sugar per bar is a good idea, and where the sugar comes from (HFCS or naturally occuring).
Huh? How are $2,000+ Apples a more user friendly alternative for a $500 PC? That's not even including the cost of buying new software, like Office. People are more likely to go to Linux, but I doubt even that is going to happen. It seems to be a small but vocal minority (which includes Apple) declaring Vista a flop.
To answer your question.. diet and health related products and services clearly have disclaimers that results are typical, or the item isn't used to cure any disease. In other words, read the box, and you have the truth (not to mention the bottom of the commercial).
Regarding food labeling: there are VERY strict guidelines concerning what is considered low fat, organic and natural. For example, low fat means 3g or less fat per serving.
At least MK made an attempt at it. I went back to normal controls though.. you know, the D-pad with all the buttons? It's not like the Wiimote is the only input the Wii supports..
What is with the Apple fanboys lately? Honestly, how is running their business on Apple? Linux has more market in the business sector than Apple. If it weren't for the Ipod Apple probably would have closed shop a long time ago. The iphone? What a scam. You can touch the screen to make a call, but it can't do a simple picture message?
[...] Really? Canada allows gays to marry? These two points speak for themselves. Allowing gays to marry is moot - what you should be asking is if Canada allows homosexual couples to divorce, an issue which did occur in the past. (Look it up.)
I don't believe they do. Without being more specific, I can't possiblly attempt to lookup your example.
Strawman, and also unrelated. The example I originally gave was not an arbitrary holding, it was an arrest involving a common criminal that developed a pattern of committing crimes.
Not unrelated, it's at the heart of the matter. Dentain != arrest. One implies being held without reason, the other implies that charges are forthcoming. Of course someone arrested for a crime should be held; that's not what you were implying, you were implying the police could continue to hold someone without cause. So please explain to me what specific law you are refering to, since kids ALREADY can be charged in Canada, I assume.
If you believe that clause allows said totalitarianism, it's a moot point since any political party that gains power can easily change the constitution with enough support.
I assume it's also more difficult to change Canada's constitution than to pass one of these "nonwithstanding" laws. Is that a fair assesment? Otherwise, what is the point of the law?
Unlike an actual slippery slope, the clause doesn't create a massive window for the government to randomly and permanently seize power. Even the temporary laws passed under the Emergency Act are just temporary, even when the scope of a reasonable limit is increased.
Yes it does. Did you read the clause? The legislature can choose to renew the law indefinitely. So long as every five years they choose to do so, they can keep a law in direct violating of your rights.
Unlike the US, Canada is not a one-party system. Parties have been destroyed in the past and were no longer recognized as an official party within parliament. Furthermore, parties have been divided as well because the opposition party felt it was more important to hardline party members into a specific position rather than trying to maintain clout. Those twelve members showed that they can easily create their own political party.
Yes, the same can be said of the US a few hundred years ago. What's your point?
It's the exact reason such laws expire after 5 years. If the previous party pushed something like that through, they'll have trouble getting it through again with only two seats in parliament.
Until a party decides that the right to vote needs to be suspended for some reason.
Where did you get the idea where trampling rights of Canadians don't get review? It's done by the backbenchers that are being told by the party leaders that it needs to be done, since usage of those clauses attracts a lot of attention. As you know, these backbenchers are also easily replaced.
Section 33, subpart 1.
Let's not forget the implied meaning of such a section; you're rights are only valid so long as they are convient for the government. A bit of a different philosophical basis than the US constitution. Unfortunately, most Americans don't understand that philosophy either.
Everytime you say that, Linux gets five years further behind. Oh, and a kitten is thrown off a cliff. Why do you hate kittens?
2001 was the year of Linux on my desktop... 2006 was the year Windows came back to my desktop, AND replaced my server, which had been Linux since 1997. Good luck.
I think there's more than "some" problems. Food and oil prices affect everyone, and both are rising rather quickly. People's salaries / wages don't increase as quickly.
Now, I agree some people are spoiled. I saw an article on CNN where a "middle class" family had to give up their gardener. The horror! OTOH, someone making $8 / hr IS being signficantly impacted by raising food / oil prices. I make more than that, and I still feel it. I've only had to cut back on some niceties so far though, but to say there aren't problems across the board is denial. My car used to cost $15 to fill up when I bought it; it now costs $55. That's quite an increase.
Sorry, you assume most people WANT to live in CA or FL. Most people don't. I'd never live in either of those states; everyone where I live WANTS to live here.
The other thing is that more rural areas HAVE been growing for years. Cheaper land means you can afford a bigger house and pay less property tax. Look at SC for example. If you think those don't influence people's decisions, you're more deluded than I originally thought.
Last I read the WinFS project is totally dead. Many pieces of the technology that would have made up WinFS though live on in other areas; parts went into Ado.Net for example.
Including or excluding laws that put violent criminals in jail?
Stop with red herrings, ok?
Seriously, if you believe that the example I gave shouldn't be allowed to stand, you might as well give children a carte blanche to commit murder. The law in question was designed to prevent young offenders known to have a pattern of criminal behaviour from committing additional crimes. Within 24 hours of it being struck down, the individual stole a car and caused a car accident.
You're trying to use the ends to justify the means. You're basically saying that things like Gitmo are just fine and dandy. Either charge someone or release them. But saying that they should be allowed to be arbitrarly "held" smacks of totalitarianism. Part of the price of freedom is that sometimes innocent people are harmed by others, and sometimes criminals go free.
There is no such thing. The closest match is Quebec's language laws, and those aren't popular.
Really? Canada allows gays to marry?
Section 33 provides an out to trample on any Candian citizens rights without ever needing review. If you think the "vote them out" argument works, well, may as well move to the US and see how that's working. The people in power set themselves up so they stay in power. The US has enough problems following the Constitution, and we don't have such a clause. I can't imagine what things would be like if the government could at any time say "eh, we don't need to worry about trying to stamp out this right."
So a critical law which violates rights should still be allowed to stand? Or a popular law which violates the rights of a minority should be allowed to stand? Either a law unjustly violates one's rights or it does not.
Your argument is flawed. Your time is only worth $50 / hr if someone is willing to pay for it and you're allowed to do so. Many places say you can't do outside work, and if you can, you may not be willing or able to do so anyway.
It's not interesting because he could have just blanked the admin password to gain system access. Linux is also supposedly secure, but you can do the same thing to a linux system as well (just copy your own root password into the appropriate files).
Woefully inadequet? When exactly was the last time a US plane was hijacked? When was the last one brought down? What is the signifigance of the impact of the dead from airplane crashes due to terrorist action in relation to say, traffic accidents?
Ya know, ever since I put this rock that repeled tigers in my yard, there have been no tiger attacks in all of VT! And my wife laughed at me when I bought it. Sure showed her..
Well if you could take a paid day off, it doesn't matter what they call it. Even in positions where I accured time, I was still paid for any unused leave.
I know it varies by state, but it seems most states do require it to be paid.. I doubt companies are being "nice" by paying for unused vacation time. That said, I think EVERY state requires companies to at least follow their own policies.
Well, unless I was able to browse for porn all day (which at work you can't), there's nothign interesting enough to do that for even a small number of hours, let alone 40 a week.
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How exactly is this being done? If it becomes a "legal" image, wouldn't it be of no use to those that would rather the illegal one?
Huh? My car has the code written in the owner's manual; it's not difficult to enter it. Or do you think pushing four buttons is difficult for people?
No one is stealing a car to resell it; they steal it to chop it and sell the parts. Your beater may be worth more in pieces than in whole.
"All Natural" can mean almost anything - just have a look at the ingredients on the back of anything bearing that label and decide for yourself how 'all natural' processed food is.
The labeling for all natural doesn't seem to be as stringent as the other labels, but that is changing.
Remember all that pet food that was tainted? Half of it was branded 'all natural' and all of it was billed as being full of 'wholesome goodness' and other such crap. Sure, if by 'all natural' 'wholesome goodness' you actually mean 'pool cleaner'.
Huh? You're talking about that pet food that was intentially posioned? Sorry, no amount of labels are going to help you there. And that can happen at any food company. So unless your plan is to grow ALL your own food, you're just gonna have to trust food companies.
How about milk? It does a body good, right? Ever been to a dairy farm or a pasteurizing plant? They tend not to show the pus-filled milking tubes in the magazine ads. Is that not slightly deceptive?
Ya, I have. I live in VT, we have our share of farms here. The nice thing about pasteurization is that it kills the bacteria that may be living in the "pus filled tubes." Of course there are smaller farms too that don't use that machinary, and you can buy your milk there if you like. But please tell me, have you tested milk and found consistently that there's something wrong with it?
Know what happens to expired milk - it goes right back to the plant for reprocessing. Mmmmm, yummy, spoiled milk recycled right bac in with the 'farm fresh' stuff!
No, it goes to make things like yogurt and cream. No need to reprocess it when people are willing to add some fruit and eat it, is there?
And don't even get me started on the claims made by peddlers of bottled water.
What claims? At worse, they say it's filtered.. and it is. Water that says it comes from springs or whatever needs to actually come from a spring.
Companies may adhere to the letter of the law, but certainly not to the spirit. Advertising is notoriously deceptive and misleading, in food and health and computers and virtually every other industry. Until you've worked in any of these industries, you need to be very cautious about taking their proclamations of sincerity and legal adherence on faith.
Wow, you think that's news? The fact is though you can see what's in your food by looking at the standardized labeling. So ya you can market something as a healthy snack for kids, and one serving may be. It's up to you though to look at the label and decide if 25g of sugar per bar is a good idea, and where the sugar comes from (HFCS or naturally occuring).
Huh? How are $2,000+ Apples a more user friendly alternative for a $500 PC? That's not even including the cost of buying new software, like Office. People are more likely to go to Linux, but I doubt even that is going to happen. It seems to be a small but vocal minority (which includes Apple) declaring Vista a flop.
To answer your question.. diet and health related products and services clearly have disclaimers that results are typical, or the item isn't used to cure any disease. In other words, read the box, and you have the truth (not to mention the bottom of the commercial).
Regarding food labeling: there are VERY strict guidelines concerning what is considered low fat, organic and natural. For example, low fat means 3g or less fat per serving.
http://lowfatcooking.about.com/od/lowfatbasics/a/fatlabels.htm
http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/ams.fetchTemplateData.do?template=TemplateA&navID=NationalOrganicProgram&leftNav=NationalOrganicProgram&page=NOPNationalOrganicProgramHome&acct=nop
Whereas Dell says "if you have a problem, we'll get it fixed" and then puts you on hold for HOURS.
You realize of course the complain is about CONSUMER products and services, right?
If you call as a consumer, you get "Joe" from India, and all the problems described.
At least MK made an attempt at it. I went back to normal controls though.. you know, the D-pad with all the buttons? It's not like the Wiimote is the only input the Wii supports..
What is with the Apple fanboys lately? Honestly, how is running their business on Apple? Linux has more market in the business sector than Apple. If it weren't for the Ipod Apple probably would have closed shop a long time ago. The iphone? What a scam. You can touch the screen to make a call, but it can't do a simple picture message?
[...] Really? Canada allows gays to marry? These two points speak for themselves. Allowing gays to marry is moot - what you should be asking is if Canada allows homosexual couples to divorce, an issue which did occur in the past. (Look it up.)
I don't believe they do. Without being more specific, I can't possiblly attempt to lookup your example.
Strawman, and also unrelated. The example I originally gave was not an arbitrary holding, it was an arrest involving a common criminal that developed a pattern of committing crimes.
Not unrelated, it's at the heart of the matter. Dentain != arrest. One implies being held without reason, the other implies that charges are forthcoming. Of course someone arrested for a crime should be held; that's not what you were implying, you were implying the police could continue to hold someone without cause. So please explain to me what specific law you are refering to, since kids ALREADY can be charged in Canada, I assume.
If you believe that clause allows said totalitarianism, it's a moot point since any political party that gains power can easily change the constitution with enough support.
I assume it's also more difficult to change Canada's constitution than to pass one of these "nonwithstanding" laws. Is that a fair assesment? Otherwise, what is the point of the law?
Unlike an actual slippery slope, the clause doesn't create a massive window for the government to randomly and permanently seize power. Even the temporary laws passed under the Emergency Act are just temporary, even when the scope of a reasonable limit is increased.
Yes it does. Did you read the clause? The legislature can choose to renew the law indefinitely. So long as every five years they choose to do so, they can keep a law in direct violating of your rights.
Unlike the US, Canada is not a one-party system. Parties have been destroyed in the past and were no longer recognized as an official party within parliament. Furthermore, parties have been divided as well because the opposition party felt it was more important to hardline party members into a specific position rather than trying to maintain clout. Those twelve members showed that they can easily create their own political party.
Yes, the same can be said of the US a few hundred years ago. What's your point?
It's the exact reason such laws expire after 5 years. If the previous party pushed something like that through, they'll have trouble getting it through again with only two seats in parliament.
Until a party decides that the right to vote needs to be suspended for some reason.
Where did you get the idea where trampling rights of Canadians don't get review? It's done by the backbenchers that are being told by the party leaders that it needs to be done, since usage of those clauses attracts a lot of attention. As you know, these backbenchers are also easily replaced.
Section 33, subpart 1.
Let's not forget the implied meaning of such a section; you're rights are only valid so long as they are convient for the government. A bit of a different philosophical basis than the US constitution. Unfortunately, most Americans don't understand that philosophy either.
Well, there's always plain old fraud.
Everytime you say that, Linux gets five years further behind. Oh, and a kitten is thrown off a cliff. Why do you hate kittens?
2001 was the year of Linux on my desktop... 2006 was the year Windows came back to my desktop, AND replaced my server, which had been Linux since 1997. Good luck.
I think there's more than "some" problems. Food and oil prices affect everyone, and both are rising rather quickly. People's salaries / wages don't increase as quickly.
Now, I agree some people are spoiled. I saw an article on CNN where a "middle class" family had to give up their gardener. The horror! OTOH, someone making $8 / hr IS being signficantly impacted by raising food / oil prices. I make more than that, and I still feel it. I've only had to cut back on some niceties so far though, but to say there aren't problems across the board is denial. My car used to cost $15 to fill up when I bought it; it now costs $55. That's quite an increase.
Sorry, you assume most people WANT to live in CA or FL. Most people don't. I'd never live in either of those states; everyone where I live WANTS to live here.
The other thing is that more rural areas HAVE been growing for years. Cheaper land means you can afford a bigger house and pay less property tax. Look at SC for example. If you think those don't influence people's decisions, you're more deluded than I originally thought.
I supposed duct taping the parts to the inside of the module is out of the question?
Last I read the WinFS project is totally dead. Many pieces of the technology that would have made up WinFS though live on in other areas; parts went into Ado.Net for example.
http://blogs.msdn.com/winfs/archive/2006/06/23/644706.aspx
Including or excluding laws that put violent criminals in jail?
Stop with red herrings, ok?
Seriously, if you believe that the example I gave shouldn't be allowed to stand, you might as well give children a carte blanche to commit murder. The law in question was designed to prevent young offenders known to have a pattern of criminal behaviour from committing additional crimes. Within 24 hours of it being struck down, the individual stole a car and caused a car accident.
You're trying to use the ends to justify the means. You're basically saying that things like Gitmo are just fine and dandy. Either charge someone or release them. But saying that they should be allowed to be arbitrarly "held" smacks of totalitarianism. Part of the price of freedom is that sometimes innocent people are harmed by others, and sometimes criminals go free.
There is no such thing. The closest match is Quebec's language laws, and those aren't popular.
Really? Canada allows gays to marry?
Section 33 provides an out to trample on any Candian citizens rights without ever needing review. If you think the "vote them out" argument works, well, may as well move to the US and see how that's working. The people in power set themselves up so they stay in power. The US has enough problems following the Constitution, and we don't have such a clause. I can't imagine what things would be like if the government could at any time say "eh, we don't need to worry about trying to stamp out this right."
So a critical law which violates rights should still be allowed to stand? Or a popular law which violates the rights of a minority should be allowed to stand? Either a law unjustly violates one's rights or it does not.
Hey twitter, just wanted to point out that obesity is the obese person's fault. Fat people need to put down the donut, and start moving around.
Your argument is flawed. Your time is only worth $50 / hr if someone is willing to pay for it and you're allowed to do so. Many places say you can't do outside work, and if you can, you may not be willing or able to do so anyway.
It's not interesting because he could have just blanked the admin password to gain system access. Linux is also supposedly secure, but you can do the same thing to a linux system as well (just copy your own root password into the appropriate files).
Woefully inadequet? When exactly was the last time a US plane was hijacked? When was the last one brought down? What is the signifigance of the impact of the dead from airplane crashes due to terrorist action in relation to say, traffic accidents?
Ya know, ever since I put this rock that repeled tigers in my yard, there have been no tiger attacks in all of VT! And my wife laughed at me when I bought it. Sure showed her..
Huh.. I remember R's always being tax hunger, unless you're talking about Big Business. R's were never the friends of ALL business, only big business.
Well if you could take a paid day off, it doesn't matter what they call it. Even in positions where I accured time, I was still paid for any unused leave.
I know it varies by state, but it seems most states do require it to be paid.. I doubt companies are being "nice" by paying for unused vacation time. That said, I think EVERY state requires companies to at least follow their own policies.
Well, unless I was able to browse for porn all day (which at work you can't), there's nothign interesting enough to do that for even a small number of hours, let alone 40 a week.