I have to disagree. I have done quite a bit of web work for my company. We are a software and engineering company, and these pages are used only by in-house staff. I have spent months writing backend applications, and minutes on the front end. Maybe they don't have any animations or massive visuals, but they are very functional and fast. If I was doing this for outside users, I would probably spend some time "prettying" (is that even a word??) it up, but nowhere near the amount of time I spent on the backend. I really don't think you 've worked on any large-scale web sites, or done web work that was for something besides just displaying stuff. We have 4 people here that do all of our backend web coding, and one who works the front end stuff, he spends a fair amount of time waiting for us to be done before he can finish up, not the other way around. I'm not familiar with the apps you mentioned, WebGUI or Zope, but I really don't believe they can do very complex custom tasks out of the box. Perhaps your point is true for certain types of web sites, but it certainly is NOT a factual blanket statement for all.
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You beat me to it.:) You are most definately correct here. They should/could say they can see images from 13.3 billion years ago, or that they can see objects 13.3 billion light years away. Other than this goof up, everything else seems fairly intelligent.
I would think that they might have consulted some materials engineers and structural engineers before they undertook this. They may have even tested it a bit, say ten years or so. I mean, I could be wrong, maybe they just decided one day "hey let's build a carbon-fiber ship" and they scrambled around for some spare carbon-fiber and built one. I'm sure there was one guy saying, "Wait, before we start, shouldn't we post on/. and see if this will work first?!?!?"
While I'm not a materials engineer, I did take several courses in that discipline in college. There are MANY things one can do to mitigate the issues you've mentioned, I would wager they brought the experts in on this.
True, except the American fundamentalist camp really isn't into all that "uppity scientific mumbo-jumbo" They probably don't spend much time cruising the "innernet".:)
You hit the nail on the head. This is all part of my point. It's NOT the government that does ANYTHING. They don't create, the government can only provide an environment that is more or less conducive to business. Capitalism tends to be more "business friendly", communism is proven to be bad for business. It may no be in this thread, but I posted elsewhere in this topic, that in the beginning of the country, there were no Mega-Corps, most shops were run by their owners, and farming was done by owners or slaves. There was no all-encompassing central government, and NO ENTITLEMENTS, the country grew and flourished at that time.
I respectfully disagree. Back when this country formed, in the late 1700's early 1800's, there was no huge central gov't. More rights were in the states hands or in local gov't or simply not regulated. Farms were run by their owners or by slaves, and in the industrial Northeast, shops and businesses were run by owners. Factories were just starting out, and they did in many cases exploit the workers. Also, to nullify your examples, let's assume for the moment that you are correct in your statements. Where did the government get the money? Through taxes. Where did they get the taxes? From the people. The government does not now, nor has it ever produced anything, especially wealth. You mention exploiting resources as if it were a bad thing, but only in extreme cases is this so. The government can't "hand-out" unless we the taxpayer give them the money to do so. The only way the government creates jobs, is by increasing the size of government.
I agree 100%. My company will contibute, or subsidize time for approved activities. These activities can be submitted by regular Joe Employee and can be approved by a relatively low level of management, so your time/effort can go towards something of your choice.
Great example, and what an excellent attitude!! Kudos to you. Capitalism is NOT evil. This country was built on capitalism. People often confuse capitalism with greed, they are NOT synonymous. I live a very nice lifestyle, due to the fact that the wife and I work VERY hard, and make very good money. We do it to make life better for our kids, but an added fringe benfit is that we are able to help charities. We donate a fairly large amount of money every year to various charites we support (won't name them for fear of being flamed) as well as our weekly church donations. We also donate time to various organizations. I have been an assistant scoutmaster with an underpriveleged troop in the area for 9 years, even though I have no child in scouts. I was a scout as a kid, and got a lot out of it, and this is a chance to give back a bit. Many people would consider me wealthy or rich, but that doesn't make me greedy. As I earn more, I donate more.
Without capitalist companies and businesses, hiring and paying employees, and vendors, and taxes there would be no money. The government does NOT create wealth, private industry does.
Ummm, actually capitalists are what made this country what it is. Everyone running around with their hand out to the government, or via lawsuits will be the downfall of this country. Just where do you think money comes from??
You're still allowed to do more than that, it's just that the company pays you for some of it. I think this is a great thing to do. My company does something similiar. They pay you for certain charitable and civic activities, and pay your time if you donate blood during the blood drives they have 4 or so times a year. I think it's great when companies try and give back to the communities. Is 1% enough, well people will all say different things, but I say it's a nice start, remember, these companies are in business to produce something, and make a profit, NOT to provide charity for the community, the fact that they do ANYTHING for the community is a big plus, and should be encouraged, not denigrated. Just my $0.02
That wasn't the point of this. The abuse and humiliation of the prisoners was wrong. The abuse and desecration of our civilians over there was even MORE wrong. We apologized, we took the high ground. Most of the people over there are NOT out killing our soldiers, just a few leftovers of Saddam's regime and some radical Islamists, but the happy population, glad we're there helping, doesn't make for sensational news. Also, killing in defense, or in the course of war is regrettable, but happens, torture, mutilation, and desecration of bodies, is NEVER acceptable, PERIOD!! Saddam tortured and humilated more prisoners than we ever did, and no one was crying for apologies then. Doesn't excuse what our people did, but puts it in perspective a bit. The fact is, people who don't like President Bush, never will, it doesn't matter what he does, or doesn't do, he is always wrong and evil in their eyes, you cannot argue with people like that. The same people that complain we didn't do enough to prevent 9/11 are complaining now that we are preventing a future one. Sounds hypocritical to me...
Sorry if this rambles a bit, I'm in the middle of a lot of work right now. Thanks for the comment, take care.
There's no argument here. Nothing I say, and no proof I present will ever change your mind. We have opposing points of view, and you were the one that initiated the hateful speech and name calling. I would relish an intelligent argument/discussion, exchanging intelligent facts and opinions, respectful of each others views, but yours is nothing but mindless rants, contradicting yourself in your very post. You hate America, freedom, justice, and morality, and I don't. That is not an argument, simply a statement of fact. I also don't have the time or energy to argue with someone so insecure in his statements and posts, that he does so as AC. You go wallow in whichever god-forsaken cesspool of a country you have slithered to, and allow the rest of us to continue on. I have work to do, and will no longer respond to your mindless ranting. Be gone Anonymous Coward!!! You have wasted enough of our time.
I think his actions have been fine. I have many friends over there, and they all tell me that *overwhelmingly* the Iraqi people are happy to be free of Saddam, and are fine with our troops being there provided it is temporary. The news media does not show the positives that are being done, by our troops and yours. They don't show the schools, hospitals, and businesses being built and used by the Iraqi people.
I saw the broadcast, and I didn't see him smirking. He was ouside in the Rose Garden, so maybe you interpreted him squinting at the sun as smirking.
Thanks for your comments, take care and good luck to you.
First of all Ass-Bitch, *I* did nothing. There were a few Soldiers/Guards who acted horribly and will be punished. I saw those photos too, and I was just as disgusted, maybe more so, because, I am also an American, and these soldiers represent me. Everyone I know is just as disgusted and angry by it.
You are obviously an angry America Hater, and nothing I say will change your mind. You *obviously* are not happier where you are, and I'm pretty sure you regret your decision. Keep your spirits up buckaroo.:) You and those like you completely sicken me. Suck My ass you liberal bastard!!
You back nothing with facts. You are an Anonymous Coward, so I feel no need to justify myself to you. If They are so wonderful, go to Iraq, as I said, I'll even buy your ticket.
You are truly out of your mind. Open your eyes, and read what you wrote. This should be modded as funny, because you can't possibly be serious. You are blaming US for 9/11. Last I heard it wasn't Christian/Western Black and White people who flew airplanes into buildings killing over 3000 innocent people, it was those wonderfully open minded, tolerant, and loving Islamists. You speak of the torture of the Iraqi prisoners, well, you are right there at least, it was horrible and un-called for, where were you speaking out when the American civilian contractors, guarding a food caravan into Fallujah, were captured, killed, torn apart, burned, dragged through the streets, and hung from a bridge. Oh, sorry, that was done by those happy, wonderful peace loving Islamists again, so that's OK. At least when we screw up, we admit it. We, unlike almost every other country in the world, air our dirty laundry for everyone to see. We apologized for the torture, because apologizing was the right thing to do, and because what happened was abhorrent. No one apologized for the desecration of the Americans in Fallujah, or the mistreatment or OUR prisoners, but you know what, we hold ourselves to a higher standard. Don't you dare judge all of America by the actions of a few twisted soldiers, isn't that exactly what you are whining about in your post? Our soldiers will be brought to justice. If we are so damn bad here, then get the hell out and go somewhere better, in fact you can email me and I'll pay for the ticket.
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In the 80's if you got caught hacking, you might get some jail time, and get your gear confiscated, but often you were also offered a job.
Many times this requires a catalyst, commonly referred to as a "wedding ring". This may also be necessary for long-term sex-mentioning induced sleep.
I have to disagree. I have done quite a bit of web work for my company. We are a software and engineering company, and these pages are used only by in-house staff. I have spent months writing backend applications, and minutes on the front end. Maybe they don't have any animations or massive visuals, but they are very functional and fast. If I was doing this for outside users, I would probably spend some time "prettying" (is that even a word??) it up, but nowhere near the amount of time I spent on the backend. I really don't think you 've worked on any large-scale web sites, or done web work that was for something besides just displaying stuff. We have 4 people here that do all of our backend web coding, and one who works the front end stuff, he spends a fair amount of time waiting for us to be done before he can finish up, not the other way around. I'm not familiar with the apps you mentioned, WebGUI or Zope, but I really don't believe they can do very complex custom tasks out of the box. Perhaps your point is true for certain types of web sites, but it certainly is NOT a factual blanket statement for all.
Take Care
I'd post pictures of it online with a caption..."all your bandwidth are belong to us".
You beat me to it. :) You are most definately correct here. They should/could say they can see images from 13.3 billion years ago, or that they can see objects 13.3 billion light years away. Other than this goof up, everything else seems fairly intelligent.
How many of you REALLY REALLY want to upload a picture of the goatse guy and see who he most resembles? Any guesses?
I would think that they might have consulted some materials engineers and structural engineers before they undertook this. They may have even tested it a bit, say ten years or so. I mean, I could be wrong, maybe they just decided one day "hey let's build a carbon-fiber ship" and they scrambled around for some spare carbon-fiber and built one. I'm sure there was one guy saying, "Wait, before we start, shouldn't we post on /. and see if this will work first?!?!?"
While I'm not a materials engineer, I did take several courses in that discipline in college. There are MANY things one can do to mitigate the issues you've mentioned, I would wager they brought the experts in on this.
True, except the American fundamentalist camp really isn't into all that "uppity scientific mumbo-jumbo" They probably don't spend much time cruising the "innernet". :)
You hit the nail on the head. This is all part of my point. It's NOT the government that does ANYTHING. They don't create, the government can only provide an environment that is more or less conducive to business. Capitalism tends to be more "business friendly", communism is proven to be bad for business. It may no be in this thread, but I posted elsewhere in this topic, that in the beginning of the country, there were no Mega-Corps, most shops were run by their owners, and farming was done by owners or slaves. There was no all-encompassing central government, and NO ENTITLEMENTS, the country grew and flourished at that time.
I respectfully disagree. Back when this country formed, in the late 1700's early 1800's, there was no huge central gov't. More rights were in the states hands or in local gov't or simply not regulated. Farms were run by their owners or by slaves, and in the industrial Northeast, shops and businesses were run by owners. Factories were just starting out, and they did in many cases exploit the workers. Also, to nullify your examples, let's assume for the moment that you are correct in your statements. Where did the government get the money? Through taxes. Where did they get the taxes? From the people. The government does not now, nor has it ever produced anything, especially wealth. You mention exploiting resources as if it were a bad thing, but only in extreme cases is this so. The government can't "hand-out" unless we the taxpayer give them the money to do so. The only way the government creates jobs, is by increasing the size of government.
I agree 100%. My company will contibute, or subsidize time for approved activities. These activities can be submitted by regular Joe Employee and can be approved by a relatively low level of management, so your time/effort can go towards something of your choice.
Great example, and what an excellent attitude!! Kudos to you. Capitalism is NOT evil. This country was built on capitalism. People often confuse capitalism with greed, they are NOT synonymous. I live a very nice lifestyle, due to the fact that the wife and I work VERY hard, and make very good money. We do it to make life better for our kids, but an added fringe benfit is that we are able to help charities. We donate a fairly large amount of money every year to various charites we support (won't name them for fear of being flamed) as well as our weekly church donations. We also donate time to various organizations. I have been an assistant scoutmaster with an underpriveleged troop in the area for 9 years, even though I have no child in scouts. I was a scout as a kid, and got a lot out of it, and this is a chance to give back a bit. Many people would consider me wealthy or rich, but that doesn't make me greedy. As I earn more, I donate more.
Without capitalist companies and businesses, hiring and paying employees, and vendors, and taxes there would be no money. The government does NOT create wealth, private industry does.
Ummm, actually capitalists are what made this country what it is. Everyone running around with their hand out to the government, or via lawsuits will be the downfall of this country. Just where do you think money comes from??
You're still allowed to do more than that, it's just that the company pays you for some of it. I think this is a great thing to do. My company does something similiar. They pay you for certain charitable and civic activities, and pay your time if you donate blood during the blood drives they have 4 or so times a year. I think it's great when companies try and give back to the communities. Is 1% enough, well people will all say different things, but I say it's a nice start, remember, these companies are in business to produce something, and make a profit, NOT to provide charity for the community, the fact that they do ANYTHING for the community is a big plus, and should be encouraged, not denigrated. Just my $0.02
Wonderful argument. Read your last response to me, aren't you doing the same thing?
That wasn't the point of this. The abuse and humiliation of the prisoners was wrong. The abuse and desecration of our civilians over there was even MORE wrong. We apologized, we took the high ground. Most of the people over there are NOT out killing our soldiers, just a few leftovers of Saddam's regime and some radical Islamists, but the happy population, glad we're there helping, doesn't make for sensational news. Also, killing in defense, or in the course of war is regrettable, but happens, torture, mutilation, and desecration of bodies, is NEVER acceptable, PERIOD!! Saddam tortured and humilated more prisoners than we ever did, and no one was crying for apologies then. Doesn't excuse what our people did, but puts it in perspective a bit. The fact is, people who don't like President Bush, never will, it doesn't matter what he does, or doesn't do, he is always wrong and evil in their eyes, you cannot argue with people like that. The same people that complain we didn't do enough to prevent 9/11 are complaining now that we are preventing a future one. Sounds hypocritical to me...
Sorry if this rambles a bit, I'm in the middle of a lot of work right now. Thanks for the comment, take care.
There's no argument here. Nothing I say, and no proof I present will ever change your mind. We have opposing points of view, and you were the one that initiated the hateful speech and name calling. I would relish an intelligent argument/discussion, exchanging intelligent facts and opinions, respectful of each others views, but yours is nothing but mindless rants, contradicting yourself in your very post. You hate America, freedom, justice, and morality, and I don't. That is not an argument, simply a statement of fact. I also don't have the time or energy to argue with someone so insecure in his statements and posts, that he does so as AC. You go wallow in whichever god-forsaken cesspool of a country you have slithered to, and allow the rest of us to continue on. I have work to do, and will no longer respond to your mindless ranting. Be gone Anonymous Coward!!! You have wasted enough of our time.
I think his actions have been fine. I have many friends over there, and they all tell me that *overwhelmingly* the Iraqi people are happy to be free of Saddam, and are fine with our troops being there provided it is temporary. The news media does not show the positives that are being done, by our troops and yours. They don't show the schools, hospitals, and businesses being built and used by the Iraqi people.
I saw the broadcast, and I didn't see him smirking. He was ouside in the Rose Garden, so maybe you interpreted him squinting at the sun as smirking.
Thanks for your comments, take care and good luck to you.
First of all Ass-Bitch, *I* did nothing. There were a few Soldiers/Guards who acted horribly and will be punished. I saw those photos too, and I was just as disgusted, maybe more so, because, I am also an American, and these soldiers represent me. Everyone I know is just as disgusted and angry by it. :) You and those like you completely sicken me. Suck My ass you liberal bastard!!
You are obviously an angry America Hater, and nothing I say will change your mind. You *obviously* are not happier where you are, and I'm pretty sure you regret your decision. Keep your spirits up buckaroo.
You must have missed it. Here's a link to one copy of it.:
Bush Apologizes for Prisoner Abuse.
Hope this helps.
You back nothing with facts. You are an Anonymous Coward, so I feel no need to justify myself to you. If They are so wonderful, go to Iraq, as I said, I'll even buy your ticket.
You are truly out of your mind. Open your eyes, and read what you wrote. This should be modded as funny, because you can't possibly be serious.
You are blaming US for 9/11. Last I heard it wasn't Christian/Western Black and White people who flew airplanes into buildings killing over 3000 innocent people, it was those wonderfully open minded, tolerant, and loving Islamists.
You speak of the torture of the Iraqi prisoners, well, you are right there at least, it was horrible and un-called for, where were you speaking out when the American civilian contractors, guarding a food caravan into Fallujah, were captured, killed, torn apart, burned, dragged through the streets, and hung from a bridge. Oh, sorry, that was done by those happy, wonderful peace loving Islamists again, so that's OK.
At least when we screw up, we admit it. We, unlike almost every other country in the world, air our dirty laundry for everyone to see. We apologized for the torture, because apologizing was the right thing to do, and because what happened was abhorrent. No one apologized for the desecration of the Americans in Fallujah, or the mistreatment or OUR prisoners, but you know what, we hold ourselves to a higher standard. Don't you dare judge all of America by the actions of a few twisted soldiers, isn't that exactly what you are whining about in your post? Our soldiers will be brought to justice.
If we are so damn bad here, then get the hell out and go somewhere better, in fact you can email me and I'll pay for the ticket.
I'm sure with an attitude like this, you'll go far in business.
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