If the challenge is so much coping with sensory deprivation, why don't they simulate delayed communication with an "earth", give them a laptop with things to be occupied with simulated maintenance tasks, do some onboard training, sample analysis,..?
And why not research cultures who have to deal with sensory deprivation, as in Canada, Alaska, researches on the North Pole?
But you are right, the disadvantage is the time spent to pick up something new. Time is money, you could pay someone who already has invested that time in electronics and use his expertize with your vision; you cannot master everything, or not fast enough to get that idea out. (it's something which frustrates me as well as I like to understand and be able to do anything from the ground up. It's just not economical and isn't efficient.)
It's fairly easy to use something as PICAXE to quickly prototype something, get an existing design, study some specs and perform your modifications on existing components.
It's all so relative and how you define intelligence. I agree that "fucking around without seeing potential danger" isn't really an intelligent trait, it sounds like you have been exposed to a bundle of poeople who are or a bit detached with reality and it's consequences or are oblivious for danger and to project a probable negative outcome. (that might an advantage in a crisis-situation where their focus isn't as much selfpreservation as they cannot project personal demise until comfronted with it by their team or themselves).
My grandfather used to tell me about his drinking buddies, sergeants, officers, adjudants and such in the army. His carreer in the army was a very face paced growing one as he's very intelligent, logical and get things done. People recognized that and he climbed up fast and soon had his own bataljons but amongst the sergeant and officers there was an immigrant, who couldn't read or write compared to the traject of proving oneself consequentially to get up there.
In the war, he used to be a soldier, and his bataljon was safe, but an officer was sobbing, crying and freaking out while his troops were being under fire, shot down as sitting ducks. That "stupid" footsoldier took his bataljon, went in, and guided the stranded soldiers out safe and alive. While the highly educated and trained officer broke down and could not come up with strategy to get them to safety resulting in instant promotion as he could do what the other was educated and trained to do.
It is what you define as "intelligent", and the characterstics that are relevant in what situation.
The thing with such things is, that it is adjusted and you cannot "avoid" situations; it requires to create new associations by overriding them by entering those situations and acting differently in them, otherwise you're just avoiding and running from it.
I've quit smoking too, after 8 years of smoking, and realized how the associations trigger the way you explained and made sure once I got comfortable with my new "identity" to face these situations and create new associations until I could transpose myself into that situation without imagening a cigarette with it. Never had the urge to smoke again.. It did some recallibration of my life, but by making some acts contious and realizing I could "override" certain less desired quirks or habits, I felt liberated to be freed from routine in that way and maximize my personal experiencing (you are missing out alot of detail when you're doing something routinely, if you change your routine, do things which are extraordinary to you, or by breaking what you are used to, more sticks and there is a much broader spectrum to hook associative information to instead of overloading and saturating a limited amount of recurrent happenings/items/impressions/... making them harder to access in your mine, plus you're contiously aware of much more in the same way you rely on routine and discard alot of information as "recurrent", when it's not outside of your limited perception.).
Concerning my "new identity": my uncontious still struggled to adjust: I would smoke in my dreams because it was the way I had perceived myself like that for years. But the changed reality would collide and would wake me up in my dream, resulting in a lucid dream because my contious mind started wondering why there was a sigarette, trying to figure out wherever I did smoke or not).
Inuitive maybe, as a thumb, a foot, they're not SI measurements though, I might have larger feet as you so it's variable and unreliable. It's the challenge the metric system tried to solve, how else are you going to agree on a common scale or measurement? Base-10 is also much easier to convert and calculate with.:)
From wiki:
According to Fahrenheit himself in a journal article he wrote in 1724, his scale is based on three reference points of temperature. The zero point is determined by placing the thermometer in a mixture of ice, water, and ammonium chloride, a salt. This is a type of frigorific mixture. The mixture automatically stabilizes its temperature at 0 F. He then put a thermometer into the mixture and let the liquid in the thermometer descend to its lowest point. The second point is the 32 degree found by putting the thermometer in still water as ice is just forming on the surface.[3] The third point, the 96 degree, was the level of the liquid in the thermometer when held in the mouth or under the armpit
I can make a thermometer in degrees celcius with decent approximidity by having thawing water, marking my container with heatsensitive substance after submerging as 0C, and marking 100C on the point of boiling. All in between is just a matter of division in equal parts. (1/2nd = 50C, 1/4th = 25C,...)
I can't say I have ammonium chloride laying around though... I do have an armpit but a possible variable temperature.
More likely a statement "yes, it is supported and built in, but your carrier does not support it yet. Your phone, yes, but we sold it bundled, so our hands are tied. Talk to the provider.
Maybe not "get smarter", but as our society has evolved more to a knowledge based one, where you need to keep adapting to keep up and be successful, and we are trained to constantly welcome the "new best thing", I also believe the generations growing up now will be more trained to adjust and learn.
My parents grew up in a world where you would study, get a job and stick with that job. "pick the job with the most jobsecurity", these days you study your entire carreer to keep up with the latest technologies and current methodologies, and you pick the job where you can have the "most experience" to ensure future adaptability and maximize your future jobsecurity.
I see that my generation (born in 1982) slowly adapted to this new "information based society", but not all have. The generations after me will be all more accustomed to learning and rapid information processing. In 10 years, those numbers and results will give an entire different image.
This is all from my own perspective though, it might be that things work differently in other industries.
but to me it just looks like someone barfed up a bunch of vanity plates.
It might look to you as anything you (want to) interprete what you see:) The communication isn't an "attempt at the techniques..." but it is a copy/paste from what I've been using in my emails to a friend to evade internal vodacom spamfilters and for personal fun, which was received well in the creative evading...
In communication it doesn't matter how communication looks like, but wherever it's received. (both in virtually/physically "arriving" and the recipient understanding what's communicated across). Vanity plates do the same, and the fun or humor in it is that it's not as obvious, it's some innocent fun trying to hide a message in sight for giggles or to communicate a certain mindset or image. So to me there is no difference at all, wherever it's Chinese, English or my native language;)
I ended up doing this to phonetically construct sentences to pass a filter at someone's job, as you cannot write about less by Anns without it triggering it. And if you have friends who are less by ann, that might be a problem if you decide to write about it.
I hope this doesn't inspire spammers though; Just imagine an inbox with Jew cheese hot who men taking a hot low duh! Now with 5 extra inches of pie Nile mask joule in men lay Ness. With slew tea nurses.
You'd still need to get the data back to the site.
That should be no problem, there are alot of options.
What if at the datacenter, nodoby is reachable
Pay nodoby a bit more to be present or pick a good datacenter, there should be at least one person physically at the datacenter and a few on call to make sure they can meet their SLA's.
or what if all faxes and phones of the school (needed to receive the list back from the datacenter) are submerged in water too?
When I drive to work I browse the web on my cellphone and check my email, even email. (texting and phoning is bad and dangerous!) In this day and age, nearly everybody has a cellphone. Why not setup a PBX too on the datacenter with a female voice so you can run down the list? Or a SMS portal: "text class2bstudents to 555-555 for a list of present students. It's easy to hook up. You could also train a pigeon, put it in a glass windowed box with a hammer and the text "break glass in case of *icon of a burning computer* *icon of a floating computer* *icon of someone throwing around computer* *icon of someone shooting a computer* *icon of teens screaming and running around in panic* *black icon indicating power outage* So in the case of such an emergency, you will have the pigeon fly to the datacenter, performing a pre-trained task to have another pigeon print out a list by the push of a button, and then subsequently presses a button preparing another pigeon (with a little conveyor belt) with the printout and releasing it (catapult launching mechanism) to fly back...
The possibilities are endless, to each problem there is a solution... I'm a consultant btw, you could hire me for all your technical problemsolving and projectmanagement. Currently we are training dolphins (after a proof of concept, we went away of the idea to use sharks after overseeing some variables), in case of a ship sinking, unable to send an emergency signal, the challenge here is still to have the dolphins walk to the datacenter once they reach a shore.
what happens if THE SYSTEM is the cause of the fire? Hence, you have no records and can't gather any?
You're thinking too localized. For missioncritical systems, you'd use an offsite datacenter with a decent SLA-contact. It's up to the datacenter to take the precautions to not have their servers go up in flames (that's why some of these datacenters are bunkered and have high security) and preferably have a redundant setup, spread over more then 1 location which is easy these days with virtualization.
So, you robbed the leprechaun and then asked him for investment advice?
Sounds alot like the reverse process of taking someone's money and then giving them investment advice...
"20% investment return? Yes, sure, you want 22%? No problem... sign here please..."... That was the sad day that I realized money doesn't grow on trees and you shouldn't trust a farmer with a truck full of fertile manure.
Classical economics cannot explain what is happening right now.
It's because movements in the market were slower in the classical model, and the stockmarket was less accessible.
I'm working on wealthmanagemnt software, one-click buy and sell transactions wired straight to the stockmarket floor (even automated models which auto sell and buy stocks). The ease of buying/selling allows more violent fluxuations after media-panic where alot of people take the same, immediate, action on the market bringing it out of balance. New technology, new stockmarketinteraction requires new models or a delay buffer to spread and smooth the interaction. The last one is very unlikely to be desired by clients:)
To me it's frustrating to see these missions come into being, with a decade in between, and have a slow evolution in spaceexploration.
Why don't they start multiple missions, in short continious bursts, running through eachother, so we have in a decade a faster pace in exploration, and have data pooring in faster, shorten the development cycles, and gain greater experience in the process? More modular crafts, maybe a higher failure rate, but greater experience and a list of issues to take it account. It would limit cost in the long run, missions wouldn't have such a binary outcome persé ("if failure, we'll have to redesign and wait another 10 years again").
I'm not an US-citizen, but I wouldn't mind to have my taxmoney carry the financial weight in an international effort to do something like that.
Maybe the Star Trek mythos is more correct than Roddenberry realized: it seems that we will in fact need a serious kick in the pants, as a species, from Vulcans or something else just as epiphanal.
It's human nature and it roughly translates to "if it works, don't fix it". I believe the gross of humans would NOT undertake anything without the perception the action would result in "more pleasure" or "less discomfort". Mostly discomfort is a basic motivator in doing anything, it's nearly instinctual that we experience "discomfort" in order to stay alive and drive evolution. (hunger, pain, dissatisfaction,...)
Unless people have a drastic reason to change, like your "Vulcan kick in the pants", they will take action in that regard.
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We've already seen bent lasers since 2000 ;)
If the challenge is so much coping with sensory deprivation, why don't they simulate delayed communication with an "earth", give them a laptop with things to be occupied with simulated maintenance tasks, do some onboard training, sample analysis, ..?
And why not research cultures who have to deal with sensory deprivation, as in Canada, Alaska, researches on the North Pole?
But you are right, the disadvantage is the time spent to pick up something new. Time is money, you could pay someone who already has invested that time in electronics and use his expertize with your vision; you cannot master everything, or not fast enough to get that idea out. (it's something which frustrates me as well as I like to understand and be able to do anything from the ground up. It's just not economical and isn't efficient.)
It's fairly easy to use something as PICAXE to quickly prototype something, get an existing design, study some specs and perform your modifications on existing components.
You textualize exactly the point I wanted to make...
It's all so relative and how you define intelligence. I agree that "fucking around without seeing potential danger" isn't really an intelligent trait, it sounds like you have been exposed to a bundle of poeople who are or a bit detached with reality and it's consequences or are oblivious for danger and to project a probable negative outcome. (that might an advantage in a crisis-situation where their focus isn't as much selfpreservation as they cannot project personal demise until comfronted with it by their team or themselves).
My grandfather used to tell me about his drinking buddies, sergeants, officers, adjudants and such in the army. His carreer in the army was a very face paced growing one as he's very intelligent, logical and get things done. People recognized that and he climbed up fast and soon had his own bataljons but amongst the sergeant and officers there was an immigrant, who couldn't read or write compared to the traject of proving oneself consequentially to get up there.
In the war, he used to be a soldier, and his bataljon was safe, but an officer was sobbing, crying and freaking out while his troops were being under fire, shot down as sitting ducks. That "stupid" footsoldier took his bataljon, went in, and guided the stranded soldiers out safe and alive. While the highly educated and trained officer broke down and could not come up with strategy to get them to safety resulting in instant promotion as he could do what the other was educated and trained to do.
It is what you define as "intelligent", and the characterstics that are relevant in what situation.
Thanks for pointing that out and giving constructive feedback! ;)
The thing with such things is, that it is adjusted and you cannot "avoid" situations; it requires to create new associations by overriding them by entering those situations and acting differently in them, otherwise you're just avoiding and running from it.
I've quit smoking too, after 8 years of smoking, and realized how the associations trigger the way you explained and made sure once I got comfortable with my new "identity" to face these situations and create new associations until I could transpose myself into that situation without imagening a cigarette with it. Never had the urge to smoke again.. It did some recallibration of my life, but by making some acts contious and realizing I could "override" certain less desired quirks or habits, I felt liberated to be freed from routine in that way and maximize my personal experiencing (you are missing out alot of detail when you're doing something routinely, if you change your routine, do things which are extraordinary to you, or by breaking what you are used to, more sticks and there is a much broader spectrum to hook associative information to instead of overloading and saturating a limited amount of recurrent happenings/items/impressions/... making them harder to access in your mine, plus you're contiously aware of much more in the same way you rely on routine and discard alot of information as "recurrent", when it's not outside of your limited perception.).
Concerning my "new identity": my uncontious still struggled to adjust: I would smoke in my dreams because it was the way I had perceived myself like that for years. But the changed reality would collide and would wake me up in my dream, resulting in a lucid dream because my contious mind started wondering why there was a sigarette, trying to figure out wherever I did smoke or not).
Inuitive maybe, as a thumb, a foot, they're not SI measurements though, I might have larger feet as you so it's variable and unreliable. It's the challenge the metric system tried to solve, how else are you going to agree on a common scale or measurement? Base-10 is also much easier to convert and calculate with. :)
From wiki:
I can make a thermometer in degrees celcius with decent approximidity by having thawing water, marking my container with heatsensitive substance after submerging as 0C, and marking 100C on the point of boiling. All in between is just a matter of division in equal parts. (1/2nd = 50C, 1/4th = 25C,...)
I can't say I have ammonium chloride laying around though... I do have an armpit but a possible variable temperature.
Maybe not "get smarter", but as our society has evolved more to a knowledge based one, where you need to keep adapting to keep up and be successful, and we are trained to constantly welcome the "new best thing", I also believe the generations growing up now will be more trained to adjust and learn.
My parents grew up in a world where you would study, get a job and stick with that job. "pick the job with the most jobsecurity", these days you study your entire carreer to keep up with the latest technologies and current methodologies, and you pick the job where you can have the "most experience" to ensure future adaptability and maximize your future jobsecurity.
I see that my generation (born in 1982) slowly adapted to this new "information based society", but not all have. The generations after me will be all more accustomed to learning and rapid information processing. In 10 years, those numbers and results will give an entire different image.
This is all from my own perspective though, it might be that things work differently in other industries.
That's no atmosphere! That's a swarm of radiationresistent-bacteria reflecting radiation!
It might look to you as anything you (want to) interprete what you see :)
The communication isn't an "attempt at the techniques..." but it is a copy/paste from what I've been using in my emails to a friend to evade internal vodacom spamfilters and for personal fun, which was received well in the creative evading...
In communication it doesn't matter how communication looks like, but wherever it's received. (both in virtually/physically "arriving" and the recipient understanding what's communicated across). Vanity plates do the same, and the fun or humor in it is that it's not as obvious, it's some innocent fun trying to hide a message in sight for giggles or to communicate a certain mindset or image. So to me there is no difference at all, wherever it's Chinese, English or my native language ;)
I ended up doing this to phonetically construct sentences to pass a filter at someone's job, as you cannot write about less by Anns without it triggering it. And if you have friends who are less by ann, that might be a problem if you decide to write about it.
I hope this doesn't inspire spammers though; Just imagine an inbox with Jew cheese hot who men taking a hot low duh! Now with 5 extra inches of pie Nile mask joule in men lay Ness. With slew tea nurses.
I for one do not know which overlord to welcome anymore, who is keeping track of the über-overlords? I for one, welcome them.
product incomptability, also, we found sharks get easily distracted. Research on the internet showed dolphins would be more compatible with landspecies.
a gigabtye might be, I don't know what that is.
That should be no problem, there are alot of options.
Pay nodoby a bit more to be present or pick a good datacenter, there should be at least one person physically at the datacenter and a few on call to make sure they can meet their SLA's.
When I drive to work I browse the web on my cellphone and check my email, even email. (texting and phoning is bad and dangerous!)
In this day and age, nearly everybody has a cellphone. Why not setup a PBX too on the datacenter with a female voice so you can run down the list? Or a SMS portal: "text class2bstudents to 555-555 for a list of present students. It's easy to hook up. You could also train a pigeon, put it in a glass windowed box with a hammer and the text "break glass in case of *icon of a burning computer* *icon of a floating computer* *icon of someone throwing around computer* *icon of someone shooting a computer* *icon of teens screaming and running around in panic* *black icon indicating power outage* So in the case of such an emergency, you will have the pigeon fly to the datacenter, performing a pre-trained task to have another pigeon print out a list by the push of a button, and then subsequently presses a button preparing another pigeon (with a little conveyor belt) with the printout and releasing it (catapult launching mechanism) to fly back...
The possibilities are endless, to each problem there is a solution... I'm a consultant btw, you could hire me for all your technical problemsolving and projectmanagement. Currently we are training dolphins (after a proof of concept, we went away of the idea to use sharks after overseeing some variables), in case of a ship sinking, unable to send an emergency signal, the challenge here is still to have the dolphins walk to the datacenter once they reach a shore.
You're thinking too localized. For missioncritical systems, you'd use an offsite datacenter with a decent SLA-contact. It's up to the datacenter to take the precautions to not have their servers go up in flames (that's why some of these datacenters are bunkered and have high security) and preferably have a redundant setup, spread over more then 1 location which is easy these days with virtualization.
Do you mean I should mod him down?
He's already modded to +5 insightful... Maybe he's being overmodded to your suggestion...
Sounds alot like the reverse process of taking someone's money and then giving them investment advice...
"20% investment return? Yes, sure, you want 22%? No problem... sign here please..." ... That was the sad day that I realized money doesn't grow on trees and you shouldn't trust a farmer with a truck full of fertile manure.
It's because movements in the market were slower in the classical model, and the stockmarket was less accessible.
I'm working on wealthmanagemnt software, one-click buy and sell transactions wired straight to the stockmarket floor (even automated models which auto sell and buy stocks). :)
The ease of buying/selling allows more violent fluxuations after media-panic where alot of people take the same, immediate, action on the market bringing it out of balance. New technology, new stockmarketinteraction requires new models or a delay buffer to spread and smooth the interaction. The last one is very unlikely to be desired by clients
Good salespeople.
To me it's frustrating to see these missions come into being, with a decade in between, and have a slow evolution in spaceexploration.
Why don't they start multiple missions, in short continious bursts, running through eachother, so we have in a decade a faster pace in exploration, and have data pooring in faster, shorten the development cycles, and gain greater experience in the process?
More modular crafts, maybe a higher failure rate, but greater experience and a list of issues to take it account. It would limit cost in the long run, missions wouldn't have such a binary outcome persé ("if failure, we'll have to redesign and wait another 10 years again").
I'm not an US-citizen, but I wouldn't mind to have my taxmoney carry the financial weight in an international effort to do something like that.
It's human nature and it roughly translates to "if it works, don't fix it". I believe the gross of humans would NOT undertake anything without the perception the action would result in "more pleasure" or "less discomfort". Mostly discomfort is a basic motivator in doing anything, it's nearly instinctual that we experience "discomfort" in order to stay alive and drive evolution. (hunger, pain, dissatisfaction, ...)
Unless people have a drastic reason to change, like your "Vulcan kick in the pants", they will take action in that regard.
Exactly. BT filled in the void left after suprnova.org shut down.