You're off base, give it up. I'm done anyways, waste of time.
Your apparent frustration is another good reason you should probably stay off the road. You seem quite suseptable to road rage. Your whole attitude toward the event is not healthy. An acquaintance of mine rear-ended a car that almost came to a stop on the freeway because, quite simply, he was following too closely. He learned nothing from the event, and constantly moans, "Why did she slow down so much?". While going with trafic flow is generally the best idea, the "everybody else is doing it" defense never fooled my parents, and it doesn't fool me. What I'm trying to say here is that if you're going to drive a car, drive the car.
Even in the states the money usually goes to city hall or the town's treasury department. Of course the other problem is the famous "quota system" the cops are under. Show good performance by writing lots of tickets.
Really? If these rights are so pwerful, how come it's so easy to violate them and take them away with nothing more than a punch to the face. Rights only come from the strength to enforce them. You have rights because you pay strong people or groups to protect them.
...and would encourage further attempts despite the death toll of hundreds of millions if it's own when it was tried (Mao, Stalin, etc.)
Oh, please! You don't actually believe that these people tried communism, do you? They were just as authoritarian as anybody else. More so.
You own your property...
Nonsense. The gov't owns all property in every country. Let me know what happens if you miss a couple of tax payments. Or if you're even accused of commiting a crime(see RICO. You won't find any due process there). Besides, many of our freedoms have been taken away in the name of property rights.
Meanehile, I'm a little unsure about that damage you think I'm causing outside my borders, and how you have a clue about my voting habits, since I've not discussed them.
Well, your* tax dollars are supporting two vicious, despicable "overt" wars right now. I don't know how many "covert" wars that prop up your average tin pot dictator are going on at the present, but chances are it's more than one. You're* supporting THE world's largest arms dealer network that serves a very tiny percentage of the population. All this so you* can believe that you* are free. The fact is that you're doing just like everybody else on the planet. You* support horrible people because they provide you comfort and (the illusion of) security. This is what I'm trying to point out. You're* doing just like the Russians, Chinese, etc. Only in the case of Americans, you're* commiting all this out side your borders, so you don't see the consequences. You have yorself on the "right" end of the rifle. Where many governments rob their own people, the Americans/Europeans rob the people outside their countries. *(the proverbial editorial you)
...we've got a ways to go before we're "as bad as" the Soviets.
So, that menas we should wait until things get that bad before any action is taken? This how people like Hitler and his types acquire their power and menace. I'm more of a believer in nipping it in the bud while we can still do it peacefully. As far as your voting habits are concerned, unless you're one of the 1% that voted for the opposition, you are indeed part of the problem...proving how local politics really is. Showing no concern how the people you vote for affect people outside your locale. If you vote for the dangerous types we have in office now, then you are causing great harm.
Funny how people like you like to twist things around. Do a 180 on that thought of yours. I'm telling you that they ALL sucked! Hitler, Stalin, Churchill, Saddam, Bush...They are all assholes. I'm not talking up any of them. And everyone of them can thank their countrymen for their support. Some of that "revisionist" history you like to bring up is probably closer to the truth than the fairy tales they tought you in school.
(Although I was perplexed and dismayed because so many people in both of those countries told me that they owed their leaders loyalty, even though they knew they were corrupt and incompetent..
It's happening right there in the states also, or haven't you noticed? Too much blind loyalty, and you're going to end up every bit as bad as Russia ever was. You need to stop these things early on before it requires a real fighting war to fix it. I'm preplexed and dismayed that most people are too comfortable to see what their gov't is doing to maintain the illusion. If you would see the real harm you're causing outside your borders(maybe you do and don't care) you might re-evalute your voting habits.
You said nothing about wanting to know all of the terms of any software you have before you purchase it.
Because that's an automatic. All terms should be visible before any transaction takes place, like with your gas purchase example. In that regard, a better anology than my previous one would be if the attendant told me after I bought the gas that I can't put in an octane booster because they sell a "premium" gas with "all the octane I need". That's a perfect example of an unsigned contract I would not honor, even if it was spelled out. I would just do it out of sight. Plus I said I will not be bound by an un-signed contract. I didn't say I wouldn't honor one. In this case, it's a matter of convenience. If I want to do business with that gas station tomorrow, I'll honor the "contract" today. For software I click "Agree" so it will run, but I will not under any circumstances accept any conditions for its use that weren't spelled out behore the purchase. I made my contract with the cashier at the store, not with the manufacturer.
Hmmm...that's a tough one. Lemme see. I believe we're(US/UK/Europe/Russia) still meddling in Africa for bauxite, gold, diamonds, maybve some titanium(most of that comes from Russia, I believe...can't remember). We need to provoke wars in order to keep the arms trade growing. In Asia, we're manipulating the human resources, and there's some petroleum there, which of course leads us to the granddaddy(mother of) all our present colonial needs, the good ol' middle east. An even worse quagmire than Vietnam. Exactly why were those people uprooted from all that prime Mediterranian coastline again? And why doesn't the North American Indian getting their land back in the same manner? In all reality, we're just maintaining Europe's colonies of old. We're their muscle now. You're right. There is nobody to stop us, and nobody is. And we are effectively "taxing" the GDP of the rest of the world to feed our gluttony, and yes, despite what they tell you on FOX, we are agressive for profit...and power. Nothing unnatural about that. That's how the big kids on the block act. Your life may be pretty good, but you should know how many people outside your border are suffering to make your life that good. You aren't going to get that info from the TV. In fact they seem to be doing a good job of hiding it from you since you seem to believe that you're doing no harm.
You, too are missing the point. All that info is there for me to see before I make any transaction. I make an agreement with the person selling the gas before I buy. He's not going to come back afterword to tell me I can't siphon off the gas in my car to put into another car. And he sure can't tell I'm not allowed to put additives to give me better milage(if that were possible). If he did, I would indeed tell him to fuck off. The EULA is hidden away until after the purchase. That's like a taxi driver not telling me the rate until I arrive at the destination(in which case, I would pay what I think is fair). That's why I ask "how much?" before I get in the cab(they don't use meters here). But that was a nice attempt at misinterpretation on your part. Either way, once I'm in possession of something I bought, it's mine to do with as I please.
I fail to see why our behavior today should be constrained because some people take exception to our behavior in the past.
Our behavior in the past is exactly the same as our behavior in the present. Nothing has changed. Except that more people are aware of it, despite our attempts to hide it.
Maybe you ought to take a gander at that book "Trading with the Enemy".
Well, if you can't see the difference between the Soviets and the U.S., then you're beyond hope.
The only difference is their method of controlling the population. The motivations were and are the same. As I travel, I see the similarities are more striking than our differences. You see the method. I see the reasons.
...it was clearly impossible for any Soviet to live "as well" as I do in the States...
I'm sure the the higher up party members would disagree. Like I said, Life inside the empire must be grand, indeed.
Sure, I don't care. We can always show mutual respect. I've said it before, They're welcome to it. They can't stop me from using it, so there's no loss. As far as I'm concerned, their "unauthorized" use of GPL would just invalidate any copyright privileges they might claim.
In an establishment, the rules are spelled out upfront. That's not the case here. I'm not being shown the rules before spending my money and getting thrown out for violating them. It's a tiny bit like those secret laws that are getting passed these days.
You are wrong, Martian rover breath! Inertia is the same no matter where you are. Even if there is no mass to attract you toward its center(gravity). The feather and the rock thing was proven on the moon.
I never said it wasn't a team effort. However, if we acted on what was known and if we weren't providing (albeit minor)economic support to the man, he never would have been a real problem. We(and others)let this happen. We knew what was going on. We knew what he was doing to the Jewish population. We did nothing because it was an "internal" matter. Same thing haapens today. Now because we wasted our credibility in places like Vietnam and Central and South America, and more importantly, the Middle East. we can't go anywhere to help the helpless(like in Cambodia or Rwanda), first because that's never our intention, and second now we look like the invaders that we have become. I really wish we could be the good guys here, but we're not. We just have the slickest propaganda machine in town. And the misery continues. There really are no heroes. Oh, how I miss Camelot. "It's been all downhill since Kennedy died.":-)
No I don't expect you to grieve the end of the Soviets at all. Their gov't was(and still is) full of nogoodniks. And I won't grieve the end of the US. That gov't is also full of jerks. But, like the saying goes, "Yeah, he's a jerk, but he's MY jerk." I don't agree or accept with what they(Russia) did anymore than I agree with what the US does. Never did. One thing is certain, if you were a Russian living as well as you do in the states, all the subjects and objects in your statements would be reversed. And you wouldn't be any more concerned about the gulags than the Americans are about Guantanamo. Because if you think(I'm not saying that you do) that holding people for years, no matter who they are, without filing at least some formal accusation is ok, then you're just as bad as the worse Russian ever was, and you are showing that the Americans are just as evil as everybody else.
The only thing that saved Europe from being fed into Nazi death camps was American blood.
Yeah, Russia had absolutely nothing to do with that. I believe the running thought is that Russia saved Europe from the Nazis and the US saved Europe(part of it anyway) from the Russians. Could be that the whole world would've been better off if we let Patton and Macarthur go for it. We'll never know. Will we? And of course, the truth we shall never see. All we have is each other's propaganda...sound bites taken out of context. Our attempts at world domination were every bit as intense as the Soviet's. From the looks of things, we were a bit more successful...for now. The attitude we carry now could bring an end to that. We could be seen as a common threat to everybody else. We are doing everything possible to make sure most don't realize that. We need to provoke wars and such to keep everybody from focusing on what we are doing. Distraction is the name of the game. I know nobody here will admit it, but we are the same. We just speak in different tongues. Meanwhile, life inside the empire shall remain good while those outside the walls suffer the consequences.
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You're off base, give it up. I'm done anyways, waste of time.
Your apparent frustration is another good reason you should probably stay off the road. You seem quite suseptable to road rage. Your whole attitude toward the event is not healthy. An acquaintance of mine rear-ended a car that almost came to a stop on the freeway because, quite simply, he was following too closely. He learned nothing from the event, and constantly moans, "Why did she slow down so much?". While going with trafic flow is generally the best idea, the "everybody else is doing it" defense never fooled my parents, and it doesn't fool me. What I'm trying to say here is that if you're going to drive a car, drive the car.
Even in the states the money usually goes to city hall or the town's treasury department. Of course the other problem is the famous "quota system" the cops are under. Show good performance by writing lots of tickets.
Really? If these rights are so pwerful, how come it's so easy to violate them and take them away with nothing more than a punch to the face. Rights only come from the strength to enforce them. You have rights because you pay strong people or groups to protect them.
We dont allow any secret laws on the books.
So I guess John Gilmore is just farting into the wind. Oh, and what country are you in?
if this is the reason the earth(or "similar" bodies) still has an atmosphere? Beacuse all that gas is still coming up from the ground?
...and thus serves no purpose other than reducing public access to information and art.
And thus you have discovered the REAL reason for IP law.
Sounds like an average day with cable.
Which is worse? a Dictatorship of the Proletariat? Or a Dictatorship of the majority?
...and would encourage further attempts despite the death toll of hundreds of millions if it's own when it was tried (Mao, Stalin, etc.)
Oh, please! You don't actually believe that these people tried communism, do you? They were just as authoritarian as anybody else. More so.
You own your property...
Nonsense. The gov't owns all property in every country. Let me know what happens if you miss a couple of tax payments. Or if you're even accused of commiting a crime(see RICO. You won't find any due process there). Besides, many of our freedoms have been taken away in the name of property rights.
Meanehile, I'm a little unsure about that damage you think I'm causing outside my borders, and how you have a clue about my voting habits, since I've not discussed them.
...we've got a ways to go before we're "as bad as" the Soviets.
Well, your* tax dollars are supporting two vicious, despicable "overt" wars right now. I don't know how many "covert" wars that prop up your average tin pot dictator are going on at the present, but chances are it's more than one. You're* supporting THE world's largest arms dealer network that serves a very tiny percentage of the population. All this so you* can believe that you* are free. The fact is that you're doing just like everybody else on the planet. You* support horrible people because they provide you comfort and (the illusion of) security. This is what I'm trying to point out. You're* doing just like the Russians, Chinese, etc. Only in the case of Americans, you're* commiting all this out side your borders, so you don't see the consequences. You have yorself on the "right" end of the rifle. Where many governments rob their own people, the Americans/Europeans rob the people outside their countries.
*(the proverbial editorial you)
So, that menas we should wait until things get that bad before any action is taken? This how people like Hitler and his types acquire their power and menace. I'm more of a believer in nipping it in the bud while we can still do it peacefully. As far as your voting habits are concerned, unless you're one of the 1% that voted for the opposition, you are indeed part of the problem...proving how local politics really is. Showing no concern how the people you vote for affect people outside your locale. If you vote for the dangerous types we have in office now, then you are causing great harm.
Funny how people like you like to twist things around. Do a 180 on that thought of yours. I'm telling you that they ALL sucked! Hitler, Stalin, Churchill, Saddam, Bush...They are all assholes. I'm not talking up any of them. And everyone of them can thank their countrymen for their support. Some of that "revisionist" history you like to bring up is probably closer to the truth than the fairy tales they tought you in school.
(Although I was perplexed and dismayed because so many people in both of those countries told me that they owed their leaders loyalty, even though they knew they were corrupt and incompetent..
It's happening right there in the states also, or haven't you noticed? Too much blind loyalty, and you're going to end up every bit as bad as Russia ever was. You need to stop these things early on before it requires a real fighting war to fix it. I'm preplexed and dismayed that most people are too comfortable to see what their gov't is doing to maintain the illusion. If you would see the real harm you're causing outside your borders(maybe you do and don't care) you might re-evalute your voting habits.
You said nothing about wanting to know all of the terms of any software you have before you purchase it.
Because that's an automatic. All terms should be visible before any transaction takes place, like with your gas purchase example. In that regard, a better anology than my previous one would be if the attendant told me after I bought the gas that I can't put in an octane booster because they sell a "premium" gas with "all the octane I need". That's a perfect example of an unsigned contract I would not honor, even if it was spelled out. I would just do it out of sight. Plus I said I will not be bound by an un-signed contract. I didn't say I wouldn't honor one. In this case, it's a matter of convenience. If I want to do business with that gas station tomorrow, I'll honor the "contract" today. For software I click "Agree" so it will run, but I will not under any circumstances accept any conditions for its use that weren't spelled out behore the purchase. I made my contract with the cashier at the store, not with the manufacturer.
We're taking what who has again, exactly?
Hmmm...that's a tough one. Lemme see. I believe we're(US/UK/Europe/Russia) still meddling in Africa for bauxite, gold, diamonds, maybve some titanium(most of that comes from Russia, I believe...can't remember). We need to provoke wars in order to keep the arms trade growing. In Asia, we're manipulating the human resources, and there's some petroleum there, which of course leads us to the granddaddy(mother of) all our present colonial needs, the good ol' middle east. An even worse quagmire than Vietnam. Exactly why were those people uprooted from all that prime Mediterranian coastline again? And why doesn't the North American Indian getting their land back in the same manner? In all reality, we're just maintaining Europe's colonies of old. We're their muscle now. You're right. There is nobody to stop us, and nobody is. And we are effectively "taxing" the GDP of the rest of the world to feed our gluttony, and yes, despite what they tell you on FOX, we are agressive for profit...and power. Nothing unnatural about that. That's how the big kids on the block act. Your life may be pretty good, but you should know how many people outside your border are suffering to make your life that good. You aren't going to get that info from the TV. In fact they seem to be doing a good job of hiding it from you since you seem to believe that you're doing no harm.
So what you're saying is...
You, too are missing the point. All that info is there for me to see before I make any transaction. I make an agreement with the person selling the gas before I buy. He's not going to come back afterword to tell me I can't siphon off the gas in my car to put into another car. And he sure can't tell I'm not allowed to put additives to give me better milage(if that were possible). If he did, I would indeed tell him to fuck off. The EULA is hidden away until after the purchase. That's like a taxi driver not telling me the rate until I arrive at the destination(in which case, I would pay what I think is fair). That's why I ask "how much?" before I get in the cab(they don't use meters here). But that was a nice attempt at misinterpretation on your part. Either way, once I'm in possession of something I bought, it's mine to do with as I please.
This is not an effort to make people like us.
But it is an effort to take what they have.
I fail to see why our behavior today should be constrained because some people take exception to our behavior in the past.
Our behavior in the past is exactly the same as our behavior in the present. Nothing has changed. Except that more people are aware of it, despite our attempts to hide it.
Maybe you ought to take a gander at that book "Trading with the Enemy".
Well, if you can't see the difference between the Soviets and the U.S., then you're beyond hope.
...it was clearly impossible for any Soviet to live "as well" as I do in the States...
The only difference is their method of controlling the population. The motivations were and are the same. As I travel, I see the similarities are more striking than our differences. You see the method. I see the reasons.
I'm sure the the higher up party members would disagree. Like I said, Life inside the empire must be grand, indeed.
Sure we do. We're travelling through time(AND space) right now.
Sure, I don't care. We can always show mutual respect. I've said it before, They're welcome to it. They can't stop me from using it, so there's no loss. As far as I'm concerned, their "unauthorized" use of GPL would just invalidate any copyright privileges they might claim.
In an establishment, the rules are spelled out upfront. That's not the case here. I'm not being shown the rules before spending my money and getting thrown out for violating them. It's a tiny bit like those secret laws that are getting passed these days.
Yep, you're right. I misinterpreted what was said...Nevermind...
That would reduce intertia too...
You are wrong, Martian rover breath! Inertia is the same no matter where you are. Even if there is no mass to attract you toward its center(gravity). The feather and the rock thing was proven on the moon.
I never said it wasn't a team effort. However, if we acted on what was known and if we weren't providing (albeit minor)economic support to the man, he never would have been a real problem. We(and others)let this happen. We knew what was going on. We knew what he was doing to the Jewish population. We did nothing because it was an "internal" matter. Same thing haapens today. Now because we wasted our credibility in places like Vietnam and Central and South America, and more importantly, the Middle East. we can't go anywhere to help the helpless(like in Cambodia or Rwanda), first because that's never our intention, and second now we look like the invaders that we have become. I really wish we could be the good guys here, but we're not. We just have the slickest propaganda machine in town. And the misery continues. There really are no heroes. Oh, how I miss Camelot. "It's been all downhill since Kennedy died." :-)
No I don't expect you to grieve the end of the Soviets at all. Their gov't was(and still is) full of nogoodniks. And I won't grieve the end of the US. That gov't is also full of jerks. But, like the saying goes, "Yeah, he's a jerk, but he's MY jerk." I don't agree or accept with what they(Russia) did anymore than I agree with what the US does. Never did. One thing is certain, if you were a Russian living as well as you do in the states, all the subjects and objects in your statements would be reversed. And you wouldn't be any more concerned about the gulags than the Americans are about Guantanamo. Because if you think(I'm not saying that you do) that holding people for years, no matter who they are, without filing at least some formal accusation is ok, then you're just as bad as the worse Russian ever was, and you are showing that the Americans are just as evil as everybody else.
The only thing that saved Europe from being fed into Nazi death camps was American blood.
Yeah, Russia had absolutely nothing to do with that. I believe the running thought is that Russia saved Europe from the Nazis and the US saved Europe(part of it anyway) from the Russians. Could be that the whole world would've been better off if we let Patton and Macarthur go for it. We'll never know. Will we? And of course, the truth we shall never see. All we have is each other's propaganda...sound bites taken out of context. Our attempts at world domination were every bit as intense as the Soviet's. From the looks of things, we were a bit more successful...for now. The attitude we carry now could bring an end to that. We could be seen as a common threat to everybody else. We are doing everything possible to make sure most don't realize that. We need to provoke wars and such to keep everybody from focusing on what we are doing. Distraction is the name of the game. I know nobody here will admit it, but we are the same. We just speak in different tongues. Meanwhile, life inside the empire shall remain good while those outside the walls suffer the consequences.