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Mars Rover Breaks Free

QuantumFTL writes "According to an MSNBC story Opportunity, the same rover that scored an interplanetary hole-in-one, has broken free of an interplanetary sand trap. The MER science operations mailing list was abuzz this morning with the news, as soon as the first rear hazcam image indicating success came down. Engineers were praised for working long nights and weekends to make this extrication possible. Good job, NASA!"

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  1. How they did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    To simulate martian gravity, which is a third of Earth's, experimenters stripped one of the test rovers of two-thirds of its weight

    Soon, the Opportunity team was ready for action. On May 11, Pasadena commanded the rover to straighten its wheels. Two days later, Pasadena ordered those wheels to rotate 2.5 times, or about 80 inches.

    Since then, Opportunity has moved forward an average of 0.5% of the total distance that its wheels have rotated. That comes to 1.1 feet ahead out of 213 feet spun.

    1. Re:How they did it by treff89 · · Score: 1

      The thing is, it's so difficult for them to try things with the rover as they come to mind - like a FPS game or the like. Considering the transmissions between rover and Earth combine to a few hours, one doesn't know if they are successful or not. It must be very frustrating!

    2. Re:How they did it by zepmaid · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually they played the Queen song "I want to break free" and the rover was like totally inspired to break free.

    3. Re:How they did it by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Considering the transmissions between rover and Earth combine to a few hours, one doesn't know if they are successful or not. It must be very frustrating!

      Being that the wheels had to spin so much to move even a centimeter, I hope the rover has a way to detect that it is moving. Otherwise, it might keep going and get stuck in the dune on the other side. (Although, the other one didn't seem to cause a problem on the way in, you still take a risk.)

      And if it does have a way to detect such movement, how come it got so stuck in the first place? Shouldn't it trip a "stop" if slippage grows to say 75%? It is obvious from the "according pattern" of the track images that it's slippage gradully increased just before it got stuck.

      The low-tech way to detect slippage is to have an idle wheel with a movement counter, such as a contact-based "click" signal every 1/4 turn or so. Think of cards in the spokes of a bicycle pushing a small switch. But then you "waste" one wheel.

      Some kind of laser or optical image recognition is the higher-tech way. I don't know if the rovers have such, and if so why it didn't work this time when it got stuck.

    4. Re:How they did it by Alien+Being · · Score: 5, Informative

      "To simulate martian gravity, which is a third of Earth's, experimenters stripped one of the test rovers of two-thirds of its weight"

      That would reduce intertia too, making the simulator easier to move than the one on Mars. I wonder if a better simulation would have been to attach a helium balloon to the CG of the vehicle.

    5. Re:How they did it by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      To simulate martian gravity, which is a third of Earth's, experimenters stripped one of the test rovers of two-thirds of its weight

      Why not put a bunch of lead blocks on the actual rovers to make them weigh..........never mind.

    6. Re:How they did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope the rover has a way to detect that it is moving.

      What? There's no GPS?

    7. Re:How they did it by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      That would reduce intertia too...

      You are wrong, Martian rover breath! Inertia is the same no matter where you are. Even if there is no mass to attract you toward its center(gravity). The feather and the rock thing was proven on the moon.

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    8. Re:How they did it by OblongPlatypus · · Score: 1

      That's exactly what he's saying though - that the inertia is the same on Mars as here, so removing part of the mass and thus reducing the inertia along with the gravity would make for a bad simulation.

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    9. Re:How they did it by RichardX · · Score: 1

      Actually they played the Queen song "I want to break free" and the rover was like totally inspired to break free.

      Actually, that one didn't work.
      But then they played the Crazy Frog song at it, and it ran like hell

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    10. Re:How they did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No, actually, you're wrong. Intertia is a function of ONLY mass. (gravity is not used in intertia calculation) A bowling ball hitting you going 20kph on the moon or the earth would do the same ammount damage. however a feather hitting you at 20kph vs a bowling ball at 20kph the Bowling ball would do a hell of a lot more damage. (Damage could be construde as applying an acceleration to you)

    11. Re:How they did it by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      Yep, you're right. I misinterpreted what was said...Nevermind...

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    12. Re:How they did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rock went farther into the ground. because it had more mass/more intertia.

    13. Re:How they did it by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      If they played Crazy Frog it'd probably explode in protest!

      (btw. do you get that in the US too? I thought it was a UK affliction).

    14. Re:How they did it by timmarhy · · Score: 1

      because leaving it in the sand might cause it to sink deeper and projects like this, it's so cool you'd spend your life on it

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    15. Re:How they did it by RichardX · · Score: 2, Funny

      (btw. do you get that in the US too? I thought it was a UK affliction).

      I'm British too, you insensitive clod! :P
      But yeah. Good question.. any Americans know what we're referring to with Crazy Frog? (if not, consider yourselves lucky)

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    16. Re:How they did it by Jeremi · · Score: 1
      (btw. do you get that in the US too? I thought it was a UK affliction)


      I heard it for the first time today, but it was as part of a news story about it being ubiquitous in the UK. I haven't heard it anywhere else...

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    17. Re:How they did it by ikkonoishi · · Score: 1

      Only thing that comes to mind is Jerimiah was a Bullfrog, but that song was cool.

    18. Re:How they did it by sherpajohn · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I am curious - did you do it so you could read it in the mirror, or so someone looking at your chest could read it? What tool do you use? A ballpoint (or fountain) pen, or perhaps a nice chisel from Lee Valley - http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=4603 5&cat=1,41504 or maybe even a tool designed for leather - http://www.loonfeatherleather.com/Product.taf?_fun ction=detail&_ID=402 ???

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    19. Re:How they did it by TedCheshireAcad · · Score: 2, Funny

      they called me as a consultant. i'm awesome at mario kart.

    20. Re:How they did it by spworley · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The intertia (momentum) of the rover is effectively 0. It's moving at a speed of centimeters per day. A triple-mass rover would indeed have triple inertia, but 0*3 still equals 0.

    21. Re:How they did it by balloonpup · · Score: 1

      Indeed I do. *shudder* Yes, I know what you're referring to. First the Teletubbies and now this. What the heck is going *on* over there?

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    22. Re:How they did it by John_Booty · · Score: 1

      I don't think the song has appeared here, other than a few news stories about how a ringtone is topping the charts in the UK.

      I take it this is not a musical masterpiece one should actively seek out? :)

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    23. Re:How they did it by trackguy · · Score: 1

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crazy_Frog ubiquitous? F*****g irritating!

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  2. Working Nights and Weekends by CrankyFool · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm really not trying to be a troll here, but I'm wondering: What was the rush? Sure, this needed to get done, but why the need to work extra-long hours to do it? What would have happened if it took an extra month or two? (I read the article linked to with the text 'engineers were praised' and was not enlightened)

    1. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

      The Martians who were watching it all unfold were running out of popcorn and getting antsy. It would have been just a matter of time before one of them gave up and just kicked the thing.

    2. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by Sprotch · · Score: 5, Informative

      The rover is now long past its theoretical life span, any other part my fail, and that would be the end of it. One failure is hard to fix or work around, two is nearly impossible.

    3. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by mcb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Since Mars has a different length day than Earth (40 minutes longer), the engineers are sometimes working very odd hours (since the rover is only active during daylight on Mars).

      Aside from that I imagine they wanted to get it out as soon as possible since they have no idea how long its batteries will last, and it can't do any work while it's stuck. Perhaps they spent the off hours doing simulations and tests to figure out how to get it out.

    4. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rover's solar panels gather dust as time goes by, thus shortening rover's lifetime.

    5. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by Garion+Maki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      well, considering they are already running the rovers in extra mission time, the sooner they got them free, the more time was left between getting free and the batery etc. giving their last bit of juice (and the rover dying).

      so if the batery would last another 6 months and they spend 3 months getting free, that's only 3 months left to explore.
      if they got free in 1 month however (by working overtime), then they would have 5 months to explore...
      if I had to choose, I would know what to pick :)

      btw, I think they've got a team manning the earth side of the rover mission 24/7 anyway, so beter let them work on getting the rover free than letting them just sit there spinning the camera around to take pictures.

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    6. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by HyperBlazer · · Score: 1
      What was the rush?

      IANA Interplanetary Scientist, but here's a thought:

      You know that you will eventually lose the rover, be it in a dust storm or due to equipment failure or who knows what. So every day that you're not doing science is a day you lose, not a day you postpone.

      Besides, like any good nerds, these guys came across a problem and weren't happy until they had a solution. Good for them!

    7. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by IxianMach · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Some of us can not stop trying to solve a problem once started. There are still those that live to work and find a 24hr day and long weeks to be a joy when it pays off. The guys and gals doing the rover work seem to be of this type. They are the real heroes of our time....they make the suits and pols look like the fakers they really are. 24hr days are good for the soul.

    8. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by v1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Every day the rovers are sitting on Mars their solar panels are degrading, getting covered with dust, parts are being caked with sand and grit, radioactive materials used to keep bearing grease soft are decaying, battery capacity is dropping. They have a very limited lifespan, but thanks to Nasa's over-engineering in the extreme, they are both still functional, long beyond their minimum expected lifespan.

      For how long is anyone's guess. The rovers may only have a month of time left to live. Who knows what's just over the next dune to check out. To waste the rover's last hours just because a few people will have to work a little O.T. is, well... wasting a valuable Opportunity.

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    9. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by AndroidCat · · Score: 5, Funny

      They should have just dropped another rover at the edge of the sandtrap and carried on. It would have cost them a stroke, but that's not so bad.

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    10. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by XipX · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As others have already noted, the rovers are operating well past their mission time and could fail at any minute. There is an unknown quantity of time left to have the rover do whatever science it can.

      Also, it costs a great deal of money to keep a mission like this going. The longer the rover is playing in the sand without doing anything of value, the more money is wasted. NASA's budget is thin enough as it is. I guess they could always abandon that particular rover, but I don't think anyone wants that.

    11. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Martian squeegee kids, the "Dust Devils". (However, the rover has a limited supply of spare change. After that, it gets ugly.)

    12. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can count 15 failing pixels in the "rear hazcam" image. Abort the mission!

    13. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they just want their names on the Planetary Mission High Score List?

    14. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by andreMA · · Score: 1

      Wow. I almost had a stroke there from laughing so hard!

    15. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by tundog · · Score: 2, Funny

      The Martians who were watching it all unfold were running out of popcorn and getting antsy

      They really started getting worried when the Rover reported back "The Alien is nibbling on your arm...". At that point it was either have the engineers put in some long hours to find a solution or hit the space bar to release the cyanide gas...

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    16. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      I'm really not trying to be a troll here, but I'm wondering: What was the rush? Sure, this needed to get done, but why the need to work extra-long hours to do it? What would have happened if it took an extra month or two? (I read the article linked to with the text 'engineers were praised' and was not enlightened)


      Mars has dust storms. Here's a dust storm report from 2001: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast16jul_1 .htm?aol4257, which says


      Scientists have since learned that huge dust storms, dwarfing desert dust clouds on Earth , are fairly common on Mars.


      If they had waited longer, and a dust storm erupted, the robot might have been buried, or at least accumulated enough dust on its solar panels that it would die.

      Also the clock is ticking, and bills need to get paid, and there is a finite amount of financing with a deadline (before renewal). Just sitting around without resolving the problem would have meant less data collection.
    17. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by darkonc · · Score: 1

      bu now they're all set for a line drive...
      *(just had to say that).

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    18. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats still not enough for some LCD manufactures tho!

    19. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just wonder who won the pool on Mars? There isn't much to do on Mars so betting on stuck rovers would be big business there.

    20. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by Handpaper · · Score: 1
      You owe me a keyboard, you bastard.
      Funniest thing I've read in weeks.

    21. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Funny

      I hope they took out the onsite replacement warranty.

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    22. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, this needed to get done, but why the need to work extra-long hours to do it?

      Who cares, it's only taxpayer money being wasted anyway.

    23. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. Shouldn't we spending that money on more bombs or something?

    24. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by bluGill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That depends on which part(s) fail. Loosing the radio(s) or solar panel(s) would be a disaster that cannot be worked around.

      Losing a drive motor might not be too big a deal - if there is one working on the other wheels. They just have to be more careful because less wheels would spin next time the terrain is touch. (I'm not sure how the rover is designed, but I would suspect that there is more than one motor, instead of a complex transmission, or 1 wheel drive)

      There are many lesser failures that can be lived with. There are a number of experiments that it can run, if something needed for one experiment fails, the rest can still work just fine.

    25. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The most important deadline possibly is the time that they have until they run out of money from paying the salaries of said engineers + the rest of the large scientific/engineering team required to support the mission. I would imagine that their burn rate is pretty large.

      After their allocated dollars are spent, they have to go back for another contract extension, which might be hard to get if the had just been screwing around trying unsuccessfully to get the rover out of a rut, long after its planned lifespan.

      Just a thought.

    26. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by pcmanjon · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Every day the rovers are sitting on Mars their solar panels are degrading"

      Didn't they find out that the solar windstorms blow the sand off of them and keep them clean?

      "radioactive materials used to keep bearing grease soft are decaying"
      iirc they're using radium 226 which has a half life of about 1590 years.

      I understand the point of your post, but these points for why it will fail are probably two unlikley points of failure.

    27. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 1
      Not just unlikely, but actually positive factors that could extend the life of the Rovers.

      Since they are already operating way past expected lifetime, they could actually make it for years.

      Even odds that a Rover is still functional when Longhorn comes out.

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    28. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by v1 · · Score: 1

      Cassini carried roughly 72 pounds of plutonium in generators needed to power the giant probe on its voyage to Saturn, where it will arrive July 2004. Each rover will carry an ounce of the radioactive element in eight penny-sized pellets to keep them warm during the Martian nights, which can reach minus 157 degrees Fahrenheit. They will also carry even smaller amounts of the radioactive elements, cobalt-57 and curium-244, to calibrate two science instruments.

      Source: www.nuclearpolicy.org/NewsArticle.cfm?NewsID=76

      No mentions of half-lifes for these elements. Maybe a physics expert can enlighten us. There was also no mention of how much over-engineering Nasa did in the quantities of radioactive material, so I can't say for sure if half-life is the critical point where the rovers will become incapacitated, or if this will occur at an earlier time in the decay cycle. (most likely earlier) Even if not incapacitating, time will definitely cool them down and thus slow them down, and could compound with other issues to put an end to their usefulness.

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    29. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by hey! · · Score: 1

      So the rover snapped the chains holding it and swifty decked the guards, snatching their death ray pistols in the process. With the pistols firmly gripped in one pair of hands, the voluptuous rebel Martian princess, who was about to be sacrificed in cruel and barbaric ritual, gently nestled in the other, it proceeded deal out firey death to the supercilious Martians overlords, solving the problem of their incipient ennui quickly, if not so neatly. It had hair, it would be blonde and a lock would be rakishly out of place, sweat plastered to its forehead above its blazing sappharine video lenses.

      That will teach those Martian Overlords to underestimate a robot named "Opportunity".

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    30. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by hey! · · Score: 1

      So, when your college roommates found a full keg of beer in the hall from last night's party, did you say, "Bah! This only means that sooner or later you'll be out of beer."

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    31. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by seven+of+five · · Score: 1

      on Mars, the parking fines on 'out of towners' are astronomical...

    32. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by pcmanjon · · Score: 1

      Here's the half lifes you wanted to know:
      CO57 (cobalt-57) is approximately nine months (272 days)

      CM244 (Curium-244) is about 18.11 years

      It doesn't take a physics expert, in fact I'm simply a high school graduate (as of June 1 to boot)

      I think they'll last even after the radioactive elements decay. But you might just be right!

    33. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by khrtt · · Score: 1

      The rover is now long past its theoretical life span

      Make that advertised life span. If it really was that much past it's theoretical life span, chances are it'd be long dead.

    34. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't get out much do you?

    35. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the rover snapped the chains holding it and swifty decked the guards, snatching their death ray pistols in the process. With the pistols firmly gripped in one pair of hands, the voluptuous rebel Martian princess, who was about to be sacrificed in cruel and barbaric ritual, gently nestled in the other, it proceeded deal out firey death to the supercilious Martians overlords, solving the problem of their incipient ennui quickly, if not so neatly. It had hair, it would be blonde and a lock would be rakishly out of place, sweat plastered to its forehead above its blazing sappharine video lenses.

      That will teach those Martian Overlords to underestimate a robot named "Opportunity".


      So to get the rover working again they gave it John Carter's personality. Interesting hack....

    36. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by bjohnson · · Score: 1

      Because they want to get as much science done as long as the rover is operational.

      As it is, they're operating on 'free' time; the rovers were only expected to be at full operational capacity for 90 days...

    37. Re:Working Nights and Weekends by Captain+Nitpick · · Score: 1
      (I'm not sure how the rover is designed, but I would suspect that there is more than one motor, instead of a complex transmission, or 1 wheel drive)

      Each wheel has an independent motor and the front and rear wheels each have their own steering motors. I don't know if the motors are powerful enough to drag a non-functional wheel.

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  3. Nice work guys. by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now I'll know who to call next time my car gets stuck in the snow this winter.

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    1. Re:Nice work guys. by Cutie+Pi · · Score: 1, Funny

      Why don't you RTFA first? Then you'd realize that the stuck rover is nothing like a car being stuck in the snow. They had to do things completely differently.

    2. Re:Nice work guys. by nick-less · · Score: 3, Funny

      Now I'll know who to call next time my car gets stuck in the snow this winter.

      Good luck, but keep the following in mind before calling this guys:
      4 hours after your call you'll be called back an instructed to turn 30
      4 hours later you'll be instructed to drive back slowy for 1.5 minutes
      [...]

      I'd rather wait for Mister Plow instead...

    3. Re:Nice work guys. by Seumas · · Score: 1

      They shouldn't have let a woman drive in the first place. /Covers nuts.

    4. Re:Nice work guys. by AndroidCat · · Score: 3, Funny

      No way. They'll just get started and then they'll get all excited because they've dicovered water on the surface. You'll never any work out of them after that.

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    5. Re:Nice work guys. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was a JOKE...

      geez, what a tightass.

    6. Re:Nice work guys. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was either a poor troll, not funny, or you're seriously a fucking idiot.

    7. Re:Nice work guys. by c · · Score: 1
      Now I'll know who to call next time my car gets stuck in the snow this winter.


      Uh, winter will be over by the time these guys get you out and you'll owe about $12,000,000.



      c.

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    8. Re:Nice work guys. by bluGill · · Score: 1

      True, but you could do the same with a car if you were stuck. (though if you were stuck worse it might not work) However most people are not willing to spend a couple months getting unstuck, so they use other methods. Then too, most people have abilities that the rovers don't have.

    9. Re:Nice work guys. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I had mod points I'd mod you "-1, Buttfuck".

  4. Cool! by csharp_wannabe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To think...being able to wiggle out a remote control vehicle with no one near it...all I can say is Wow!

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    1. Re:Cool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect 80% of this post's mod up are due to the entirely accurate sig.

    2. Re:Cool! by Shurhaian · · Score: 1

      Make that a remote control vehicle with substantial transmission delay, at that.

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  5. Mars Rover Breaks free by Timesprout · · Score: 1

    and was last seen heading for the border.

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  6. Frist psot! by mobby_6kl · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    This would have been a first post, but my packets got stuck in the router dunes and only now managed to free themselves!

  7. Will it be funny... by adagioforstrings · · Score: 0

    if it gets stuck back in the sand tomorrow? It sorta would, in that schadenfreude way.

    Anyway, I hope it doesn't, and props to the team for not giving up on it.

    1. Re:Will it be funny... by Linker3000 · · Score: 1

      I hope it goes back and smoothes over those goddam awful, unsightly ruts - someone could trip over them and do themselves an injury!

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    2. Re:Will it be funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sorta would, in that schadenfreude way.

      It always is surprising which German words make it into the english tongue.

      flow

    3. Re:Will it be funny... by adagioforstrings · · Score: 1

      Got that one from a musical.

  8. Reverse! by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I bet there's some scientists who'll be wanting the rover to reverse back a bit - it looks like they've dug the deepest trench yet on Mars, and I wouldn't be surprised if they've already done risk assesments regarding getting the rover to peer in with its instruments... ;-)

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    1. Re:Reverse! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, they certainly think about it:

      So what comes next? The first thing we're going to do is simply take a very hard look at the stuff we were stuck in. Much of the worst terrain was under the belly of the rover through all of this, down where we couldn't see it. From our new position, everything that was under us for all those weeks is now visible. So we're going to take a little while just to look at where we were. We may also turn to take a look at our tracks (or trenches, or whatever you want to call them) with some of the instruments on the arm. But we'll see about that one... we'll only do it if we're convinced it's safe.

      (from http://athena1.cornell.edu/news/mubss/)

    2. Re:Reverse! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Valles Marineris is 5 miles deep...

      http://www.skyimagelab.com/marvalmar.html

    3. Re:Reverse! by hey! · · Score: 1

      The Valles Marineris is 5 miles deep...

      Gee, sounds like a great opening line for The Ballad of Opportunity.

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    4. Re:Reverse! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "they've dug the deepest trench yet on Mars"

      I thought Beagle2 did that...

  9. What the article doesn't mention ... by PxM · · Score: 4, Funny

    is that they were so busy looking at the rear hazcam that they didn't see the giant water trap right in front of them.

  10. That Little Rover by chillmost · · Score: 2, Funny
    It's such a trooper!

    Rove little rover, rove like the wind!

    1. Re:That Little Rover by kfg · · Score: 1

      It's hangin' out with the brave little toaster.

      KFG

    2. Re:That Little Rover by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  11. Lifespan by PxM · · Score: 1, Redundant

    The rovers were supposed to run for 90 days, but they have been running for over almost 18 months. No one is sure when they're going to break down from dust and other long term problems, so it's a good idea to get as much info out of them as possible.

  12. For The Future by Paperweight · · Score: 0

    They could probably add or improvise something simple for later rover models to help get out of this situation? Sandbags...or maybe the wheels could lock and 'walk' out.

    1. Re:For The Future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pass a law making it manditory to have handicapped ramps on all planets?

  13. These rovers don't last forever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Rechargeable batteries cease to work. Solar panels get scratched and clogged by sand. Sand gets into the parts and joints. Did I mention this thing is basically sitting in a big pile of sand? Okay. Now did I mention that Mars, as a planet, is prone to really nasty windstorms?

    Every second that passes is one second closer to the point at which this rover simply ceases to function. Until that point comes, we want to get absolutely as much use out of it as possible.

    1. Re:These rovers don't last forever. by Reaperducer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Rechargeable batteries cease to work

      No, they're supposed to work forever. Or at least that's what my lawyer said when he filed a lawsuit over my nearly four-year-old iPod. It must be true.

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    2. Re:These rovers don't last forever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or at least that's what my lawyer said when he filed a lawsuit over my nearly four-year-old iPod.

      God bless America!

    3. Re:These rovers don't last forever. by zippthorne · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If he's your lawyer, how come he's getting millions of dollars and you're getting a coupon for more defective parts?

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  14. Not screwed up yet?! by scovetta · · Score: 3, Funny

    What I can't understand is, why didn't "management" come in and screw this all up? How could something that was supposed to last only for 90 days last for 18 months? Seems like with most things, if they are supposed to last for 90 days, they MIGHT make it to 93 or 94 days.

    My hats off to the engineers. I wish I worked at a place like that.

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    1. Re:Not screwed up yet?! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What I can't understand is, why didn't "management" come in and screw this all up?

      Considering that the last screw up of a Mars probe involves not converting measurements correctly, "management" had a lot of incentive not to screw up this time around.

    2. Re:Not screwed up yet?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would have been the case had the rovers been designed and built by Maxtor.

    3. Re:Not screwed up yet?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You work at Western Digital?

    4. Re:Not screwed up yet?! by grozzie2 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      You dont understand the concept. The original 90 day estimate of lifetime was solely to keep the total mission budget down to a point it would be 'acceptable'. If they had actually added another 18 months of operations to the original budget, the project never would have got off the ground. Enter some 'creative engineering'.

      Start by factoring a worst case scenario for all the components on the rover, and come up with an expected mission time of 180 days (assuming a successful landing). Sprinkle in a safety factor of 2, and you have a 'design mission' of 90 days. Plan all budgets going forward with a '90 days on planet' segment for the mission, keeping budget numbers as small as possible, ie easier to get approved, and the likelihood of a 'successful mission' as high as possible.

      After a successful landing, and the rovers run around for most of the 90 days, you come to the 'amazing' conclusion that they are still going strong, and could well do so for a long time yet. Re-do all mission life calculations, but, factor in some best case scenarios for component life, rather than worst case, and remove you fudge factor of 2, and voila, you come to the conclusion rovers can easily go another year, maybe longer. Now you go back to the budget folks, and present it as 'ok, we spent 150 million getting these things onto mars, we only need another 10 million to run them for another year after a hugely successful primary mission'.

      From a budget point of view, it becomes a no brainer, for a mere 10 million more, you can triple or quadruple the science value of the original 150 million investment, whereas the whole project could well have been scrapped if the 10 million more was factored in from the get go.

      Management played the game exceptionally well on this one, they back end loaded the budget with 'extras' that end up impossible to be declined after the rovers actually ended up on planet, and survived the first 90 days of 'primary mission'. They knew this was the plan already prior to launch, but, by back end loading the budget, they kept the initial approval numbers a lot smaller (easier), and left the long running mission plans to be bonus, ie only presented up the food chain after the rovers survived the first 90 days, and then validated the 'real scenarios' for actual expected mission life.

      The real problem they have now, rovers are going strong even after the real planned life, and now they are in an ongoing game of keeping budget topped up. From this point forward, it's still going to be a no brainer though, with all the space hype focussing on mars talk, topping the budget for the rovers is the cheapest publicity that can be bought today, and it'll continue to help deflect criticism away from _other programs_ that soak up billions, and possibly even help justify the sacrifice of those programs since mars is now the focus of all the forward looking hype.

      There are some politicians that are hoping and dreaming the 2 rovers can go for another year plus, because, it'll give them a wonderful chance to do some funds diversions. You can bet your last dollar that there are plans afoot in washington to divert more funds to the rover operations, and use that as the excuse to claim not enough funding left to service hubble. It'll be a political coup, but it'll only work if the rovers are still roaming mars when hubble service mission gets to a 'now or never' state.

    5. Re:Not screwed up yet?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From a budget point of view, it becomes a no brainer, for a mere 10 million more, you can triple or quadruple the science value of the original 150 million investment, whereas the whole project could well have been scrapped if the 10 million more was factored in from the get go.

      Man, you had me going for a minute there. But the project wouldn't have been scrapped for a mere 10 million extra.

    6. Re:Not screwed up yet?! by ScottMaxwell · · Score: 4, Informative
      What I can't understand is, why didn't "management" come in and screw this all up?

      :-) Well, as an engineer, I'm the natural enemy of management, so it pains me to admit this. But honestly, the management for this mission has been simply exceptional, and that's a largely uncredited reason for our success.

      Remember the Spirit Anomaly, where we lost contact for a while, a couple of weeks after landing? For all we knew at the time, we'd lost the rover. Pete Theisinger and Richard Cook, who were then the project manager and deputy project manager, went down to the press conference alone, so that (a) the engineering team could work on the damn problem without being distracted by the press, and (b) only their faces were associated with the problem. When things were going well, they brought engineers and scientists to the press conference (and let them do most of the talking). When things went wrong, they took the heat.

      The tradition continues with our current project manager, Jim Erickson. To take a recent example, Jim went down to the testbed to help shovel the dirt for the special "sandbox" we had to set up to figure out how to extract ourselves from this dune. (Jim's the guy squatting on the far left of this image. That wasn't one of the days he was digging.)

      They couldn't have done it without us. But I have to say, we couldn't have done it without them, either.

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  15. Interplanetary sandtrap? by halftrack · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why have we been wasting time with rockets when there's a (semi solid) interplanetary sandtrap we could travel on. Not to mention that it can not be that far when they managed to hit a golfball over it in one shot. Afterall the summary said that they scored an interplanetary hole-in-one.

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    1. Re:Interplanetary sandtrap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention that it can not be that far when they managed to hit a golfball over it in one shot. Afterall the summary said that they scored an interplanetary hole-in-one.

      I bet this guy could hit a golf ball that far. Sure it might mean him taking 17346324827263754684737 drops to do it, but hey...

  16. YEE HAH! by varebel · · Score: 4, Funny

    If there was any question about Earthlings being the rednecks of the universe, that image of us rootin' up the martian surface oughta clear it up.

    Lock the hubs and put 'er in low lock. YEE HAH!!

    1. Re:YEE HAH! by kahanamoku · · Score: 1

      Its a wonder the mars rover isn't doing earths version of crop circles in the sand! Mars Donuts!

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    2. Re:YEE HAH! by amliebsch · · Score: 2, Funny

      Now we just need some County Sheriff rovers to chase the good ol' boys around the martian byways.

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    3. Re:YEE HAH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "YEE HAH"???

      What?

      It's "YEE HAW", you poser.

      Now, "git r done!" and "put some gravy on that sombitch!"

  17. Ot: nice Google ad, heh. by Bender+Unit+22 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Me thinks it needs some fine tuning. Unless I have misunderstood the whole Red Hat thing.
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  18. What this proves out is.. by haX0rsaw · · Score: 0, Troll

    Good old American Ingenuity. I am as unhappy with Bush et al as the next libertarian, but I can not help feel a sense of pride when, from hundreds of thousands of miles away, our space agency is able to free this stuck vehicle. All of this is incredible, and I am looking forward to the day when, like on the moon, I see the Stars and Stripes planted in the Martian soil.

    1. Re:What this proves out is.. by typical · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Why would you credit Bush with this mission? What did he have to do with it?

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    2. Re:What this proves out is.. by Timesprout · · Score: 5, Funny

      Didn't you hear? They started broadcasting some of Bushes speeches to the Rover. The convulsions it suffered in response to George butchering the English language were enough to dislodge it.

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    3. Re:What this proves out is.. by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

      I am looking forward to the day when, like on the moon, I see the Stars and Stripes planted in the Martian soil.

      As am I, and I'm sure the Indians we hire to put it there will feel a sense of pride in their accomplishment.

      KFG

    4. Re:What this proves out is.. by haX0rsaw · · Score: 1

      I didn't credit Bush fool.. I said in spite of Bush..

    5. Re:What this proves out is.. by mbrewthx · · Score: 3, Funny

      And when they need to put in sleep mode they just bradcast an AL Gore speech..

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    6. Re:What this proves out is.. by Husgaard · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I am looking forward to the day when, like on the moon, I see the Stars and Stripes planted in the Martian soil.
      No, I want to see the danish flag planted in the Martian soil and all of Mars claimed as danish territory ;-)

      Seriously, no nation should be able to claim an entire planet as their territory just because they were the first to land a person on that planet.

    7. Re:What this proves out is.. by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      I'd have thought that if you wanted to get something running for the horizon you'd just trot out some Howard Dean recordings.

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    8. Re:What this proves out is.. by cryptoz · · Score: 1

      That's kinda how North America (and many, many other parts of the world) became what they are today. If people had that spirit a few hundred years ago, the United States of America would not exist (for better or for worse).

    9. Re:What this proves out is.. by OverlordQ · · Score: 1

      "And then we'll go to MARS! And TAKE BACK THE ROVERS! and ARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!"

      yea . . that'd get it going.

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    10. Re:What this proves out is.. by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

      The people who landed in America a few hundred years ago were not, in fact, the first people who land there. I think Americans have more claim to Mars than they have to America.

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    11. Re:What this proves out is.. by Alien+Being · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why would native Americans be proud about planting the Stars and Stripes? Ohhh, never mind.

    12. Re:What this proves out is.. by StonedRat · · Score: 1

      The group of people with the best weapons are the ones that claim ownership, so when china, korea or russia get close to mars expect a war for it's resources (if it has any).

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    13. Re:What this proves out is.. by Floody · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      The good ole' US of A will never be able to colonize mars. There's no native population to exploit!

      Or, maybe. If there are martians... Break out the blankets, boys!

    14. Re:What this proves out is.. by laejoh · · Score: 0
      Break out the
      blankets
      , boys!

      You misspelled
      body bags
      .
    15. Re:What this proves out is.. by hey! · · Score: 1

      Actually, GWB is doing a lot better with English lately. I mean he couldn't have gone to Phillips, Yale and Harvard and learned nothing after all.

      The curious thing is that his ability to move his political agenda seems to have run out of steam just as his syntax seems to have been fixed up.

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    16. Re:What this proves out is.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FYI it was the brittish people that invaded the indians in america - not USA.

    17. Re:What this proves out is.. by ildon · · Score: 1

      I don't see anywhere in his post where he says the USA claims mars or the moon as its territory upon planting a flag. Planting the flag there is like planting it on top of a mountain. It says "we accomplished this feat", not "this is our land now".

    18. Re:What this proves out is.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I really do think he meant blankets.

    19. Re:What this proves out is.. by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Actually, GWB is doing a lot better with English lately. I mean he couldn't have gone to Phillips, Yale and Harvard and learned nothing after all.

      It's interesting to see some of the footage of his early political debates. No Bushisms to speak of.

      The most likely scenario is it's calculated, or at least practiced, and meant to make him seem more endearing, or less like a stuffed shirt, a trait ascribed to some of his opponents.

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    20. Re:What this proves out is.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is modded troll? Please.

  19. Rover Lifespan by Alcimedes · · Score: 1

    It's only designed to work for X number of days. After that it might fall apart and they know it.

    Mars has huge dust storms, it's freezing cold, the solar panels are getting scoured by the elements etc. If they don't get it out now, they might not get a second chance.

    1. Re:Rover Lifespan by snake_dad · · Score: 1
      It's only designed to work for X number of days. After that it might fall apart and they know it.

      X = 90 sols (Mars days, which is a fraction longer than an Earth day). That was the intended lifetime of the rovers. The other rover, Spirit, just passed 500 sols.

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  20. W00t! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    W00t!W00t!

  21. In other news... by Saeger · · Score: 2, Funny
    ...the rover stopped to take a neat picture after it freed itself from the rut, only to get stuck once again in so doing!

    Everybody knows that in situations like that you're supposed to KEEP MOVING for a long ways after freeing yourself so that you don't sink back into similar muck nearby, but those nerds apparently missed that life lesson. :)

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    1. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those silly nerds.

    2. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of the picture, what's with the white patch on the right, around 4 o'clock? It looks like a bad edit, where something was hastily removed.

  22. The mars rover is free! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was it a bolt of mars lightning that did the trick?

  23. Golf by iamdrscience · · Score: 2, Funny
    the same rover that scored an interplanetary hole-in-one, has broken free of an interplanetary sand trap.
    Good thing all the water hazards are frozen then, isn't it.
  24. Rear what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " as soon as the first rear hazcam image indicating success "

    Am I the only one who read that as "rear asscam" ?

  25. wow by __aaqcxr690 · · Score: 1

    i must be the only person here who cannot believe we have a vehicle on another planet! Its ashame that we take space for granted now, it truly is amazing!
    What a gigantic universe we live in!

    1. Re:wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No way. Space is actually really really small. Man, you can pretty much fit it in a pocket.

  26. They just floored it... by HermanAB · · Score: 1

    Basically, they gave up trying to think their way out of the muck and just floored the accellerator and kept it down - 212 feet of wheel spin. So, are they are stuck in the next dune yet?

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    1. Re:They just floored it... by khrtt · · Score: 1

      ...just floored the accellerator and kept it down...

      What else they could do? There aren't too many options. They couldn't rock it back and forth like a car, so all they could do was floor it. I don't really understand why they had to think about it for so long - it's not like there were any other options.

    2. Re:They just floored it... by HermanAB · · Score: 1

      The problem of course is that it could dig in until it lay flat on its belly, after which it would not go anywhere again, so they had to confirm that the muck wasn't too deep, before they could put the pedal to the metal. I'm just wondering what will happen at the next little dirt heap, which is probably all of two feet further away.

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  27. Walking by lullabud · · Score: 2, Funny

    Good idea. I personally think they should've gone with a more Metroid Prime robot style, so that it could just roll like a ball, then when it got stuck it could unwind itself and start walking and hopping around. That'd be pretty entertaining as a battlebot too.

    1. Re:Walking by hey! · · Score: 1

      Well, where you have wheels, you soon want roads.

      Someday we'll have rovers that scurry along on insect legs, or better yet slither like snakes.

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  28. Imposter! by lullabud · · Score: 1

    You're not a real redneck! A real redneck would've said "YEE HAW!!" Now go on and git!

  29. weird by zenneth · · Score: 1

    I could swear I've been to this exact spot during one of my frequent walks on the beach... in a fish-eye view kinda way.

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  30. Re:How they did it (correction) by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    It is obvious from the "according pattern" of ...

    Sorry, I meant "accordion". And, here an image illustrating the gradual increase in slippage. You start to see crescent-shaped slip marks which gradually grow more distinct and closer together until the crumbly soil pattern eventually emerges.

  31. they should use the japanese jumping bot... by v3xt0r · · Score: 0

    similar to the mexican jumping bean, but a bit geekier.

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  32. Rear hazcam image has been photoshopped... by Peter+Simpson · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...to remove a group of 3 martians with dust all over them, high-fiving each other :-)

  33. Errata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The printed URL as it appears in the previous post was incorrect; here's the corrected version:

    http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast16jul_1 .htm?aol4257

  34. Step aside, Homer. by zippthorne · · Score: 1

    NASA's Opportunity rover has broken free from the Martian sand dune where it had been stuck for more than a month,

    Now that's a whole lotta floorin'

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  35. Grammar cop, police thyself! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In English, the possessive of a singular noun like Bush is formed by adding an apostrophe and an s, to make Bush's. "Bushes" would be several people named Bush.

  36. Additional Discussion by QuantumFTL · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's some good discussion about this going on in #space at irc.freenode.org, I'd recommend it to anyone who is interested in the topic. Also we've been talking about software issues affecting the rover (if we get to sol 1000, just about every piece of ground software will be inoperable). It's a cool place, check it out.

    Cheers,
    Justin Wick

    P.S. First accepted story! w00t!

    1. Re:Additional Discussion by Jeremi · · Score: 1
      (if we get to sol 1000, just about every piece of ground software will be inoperable)


      Hm, why is that? Will their system clock roll over?

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    2. Re:Additional Discussion by QuantumFTL · · Score: 4, Interesting

      (if we get to sol 1000, just about every piece of ground software will be inoperable)

      Hm, why is that? Will their system clock roll over?

      Well, most of the software developed at JPL for the mission uses three digits to encode the sol number. Once we are past 999, this software, as written, will cease to function properly. This is something that can be fixed, but I believe it would take a lot of effort. It will be a miracle if we need to do that, but it's possible one of the rovers will still be marginally operational at that point.

    3. Re:Additional Discussion by jerryasher · · Score: 1

      I'm trademarking SOL1K, SYK, and obtaining sol1k.com right now. So layoff!

    4. Re:Additional Discussion by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 1
      Make it so.

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    5. Re:Additional Discussion by p3d0 · · Score: 1
      Sorry for the troll (which this is), but how fucking stupid do you have to be to hard-code the number of digits in a date these days? Didn't we just go though this?

      Hint, guys: "#define NUM_DIGITS_IN_SOL_NUMBER 3".

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    6. Re:Additional Discussion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only you had any idea what the hell you were talking about... This isn't like programming some lame-ass, general purpose, PC program, you know.

    7. Re:Additional Discussion by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Last time I checked, just about every piece of software out there has a 4-digit year hard-coded into it. Sure, some will handle 64-bit dates, but I'm guessing that much of the UI assumes a 4-digit year.

      So, somebody will have to deal with the Y10K crisis in the distant future.

      Ultimately, it is the same problem that caused Y2K, just a little farther off. Either way it is the same cause - the guy who designed the software figured he'd be retired by the time it had to be fixed...

    8. Re:Additional Discussion by p3d0 · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. It's called information hiding, and it works on any programming system invented since the 1960s. Show me a programming environment where it's not practical to confine knowledge of number-of-digits-in-a-sol-number to a small, contiguous portion of the program, and I'll show you an environment that does not deserve to be in use on modern software projects.

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    9. Re:Additional Discussion by p3d0 · · Score: 1

      Then you haven't used Java.

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  37. Working Nights and Weekends? by Lucas+Membrane · · Score: 1

    They have weekends on Mars? Bush can send us to Mars, but we've still got to do honeydo's on weekends? What's the use of being a geek?

  38. Yup. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm afraid so.

  39. Objection! by PatientZero · · Score: 1

    "Objection, your honor. zippthorne answered the question for the witness."

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  40. Re:This is a problem ... sort of by Bad+D.N.A. · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Consider Voyager. Still costing the taxpayers money after all these years. If you threaten to turn it off; you could hear the anguished screams all the way to the edge of the solar system."

    What a fArking troll. The absolute pittance that the Voyager program costs (a few million a year) is so far below the background it's not worth discussing, no wonder it was posted AC. One debate on the floor costs more than an entire years worth of funding. Just cancel the debate and boom... Voyager is free for the year.

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  41. read the warranty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > How could something that was supposed to last
    > only for 90 days last for 18 months?

    Suppliers over-engineered the parts so they wouldn't have to issue an RMA. FEDEX to Mars is prohibitively expensive.

  42. Music on Rover Team Album Home movies by HalfWalker · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hey -

    On the Nasa Home Movies page, there is a very nice photo montage called

    "Rover Team Album" 2:49 at 11meg

    It has some very cool electronica music to go with it. I've been searching, but can't find any indication as to exactly what the music is.

    Anyone have any ideas ?

    You can get to it from here :

    http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/me r_main.html

    Select the "One Year on Mars" (View Flash Feature) link at the right, then choose "Home Movies" from the set of image links in the popup window.

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    1. Re:Music on Rover Team Album Home movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What?!? I LOVE electronica and went to that site. I know there's no accounting for taste, but tThe clip in question had some of the CHEESIEST electronic music I've ever heard. Try some Higher Intelligence Agency, Autechre, or Meat Beat Manifesto and then tell me what you think of that NASA music.

  43. Love that tin-foil hat, dude by YU+Nicks+NE+Way · · Score: 1

    Everything up to the last paragraph made perfect sense...but the last paragraph blew it.

    Guy, Hubble is a dead scope walking. We won't be fixing it, ever. The rovers are doing interesting science, and they've captured the nation's interest...without taking pretty picture along the way. Let's figure out how to get things out of that.

    1. Re:Love that tin-foil hat, dude by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Guy, Hubble is a dead scope walking. We won't be fixing it, ever.

      Of course, if the scope had been designed for automated servicing, then it would have a long future ahead of it.

      Alas, it was designed to help justify the shuttle, and as a result it will die with the shuttle - as originally intended. The planners didn't think the shuttle would get canceled anyway and that they'd lose the hubble as result. The hubble was intended to help prevent the shuttle from being canceled in the first place.

      Kind of like mutually assured destruction - all those nukes whose only purpose is to deter the use of other nukes. Once somebody launches a ton of missles the remaining nukes have already failed their mission - so now we just need to decide whether we should finish off the rest of humanity. Ironic, isn't it - nukes only are effective if the enemy is thoroughly convinced that you won't hesitate to use them. On the other hand, if the enemy attacks anyway you're going to die - what is the point of taking all of humanity with you?

      In any case, maybe the solution is to plan a new hubble which is servicable via robots and which complements the capabilities of the Webb and which costs less than the original Hubble. There is no law which says we can't put up somebody better some day...

  44. Hey, mods! Parent is not a troll! by SpammersAreScum · · Score: 1

    Sheesh!

  45. MER science operations mailing list? by james72 · · Score: 1

    Is the MER science operations mailing list (mentioned in the slashdot story) open to the public? Anyone know how I can sign up to it? I could find a Mars Missions list on the JPL site, but couldn't see a MER specific one.

    Thanks,

    -James.
    www.virtualaerodrome.com

    1. Re:MER science operations mailing list? by QuantumFTL · · Score: 1

      Is the MER science operations mailing list (mentioned in the slashdot story) open to the public? Anyone know how I can sign up to it? I could find a Mars Missions list on the JPL site, but couldn't see a MER specific one.

      No, the list is closed to mission personelle. I do know that several high profile journalists get regular forwards from the list, however. If you're not a journalist, though, you're probably out of luck.

  46. Completely different question by jurt1235 · · Score: 1

    Where are the tracks which put it in this position? Since it is the backward looking camera, were they driving backwards into this sandtrap, and driving back exactly how they came in?

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  47. Interplanetary sand trap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That must be one big-ass sandtrap...

  48. It wasn't intended as a troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mine was one of the screams when they threatened to cancel the program. NASA does have a serious problem with its budget.

  49. why is this modded insightful? by todorb · · Score: 0

    anyone else getting the joke?

  50. attitude by fallendragon · · Score: 1

    surely that's tin foil hattitide then?

  51. Power? by hughk · · Score: 1
    Nice theory, but I gather that the effect of the dust devils cleaning the solar panels was a surprise to most people. The feeling was the sand and static would reduce the power output fairly quickly.

    On the other hand, I agree that the back end mission costs are negligable compared to the cost and risk of getting there in the first place.

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  52. Earthly application? by seven+of+five · · Score: 1

    I know that your typical Jeep etc doesn't have wheels that can do a 360 vertical pivot, but maybe this might have some application for some earthbound specialty vehicle. Even 4 wheel drives get stuck - this could be a new strategy.

  53. Mod parent up! Canning V'ger would be an atrocity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The total cost of Voyager support is 4.2M USD per year. The equivalent of just 10 full-time NASA employees work on the project.

    $4.2M is the bar tab for one Congressional committee. And most Congressmen have 10 people on staff just to cover up their illegitimate children and get the stains out of their $5k suits. Those fat, ignorant pigs make me sick.

  54. Interplanetary sand trap? by qmaqdk · · Score: 1

    Explain to me again what an interplanetary sand trap looks like.

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  55. OMG by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    If you look closely at the picture in the first link, you can see what appear to be tracks.. perhaps some sort of Martian tank? I can't believe nobody at NASA noticed those.. or maybe they're just hoping we won't notice.

    The other obvious answer is that they're faking the whole thing. Obviously there can't be tire tracks on Mars.. that picture was taken on Earth!