Every generation of worker brings ingenuity to the job, and bit by bit their job becomes more and more complicated yet efficient.
In a way, nature does the same thing on an admittedly much more basic level...Fusion...Its possible that the universe it'self is becoming more complicated.
They can make their own contracts with employers(work for hire, live performances, whatever) like the rest of us. If they wish to form a union, that's perfectly ok. They deserve no special consideration. The copies are nothing more than free advertising. Besides, copyright wasn't created to protect artists. It's to protect the publishing industry(what used to be the writer's guilds). And now, it's being used in an attempt to prevent self distribution. One method being the villification of P2P. ISP's are cooperating by using upload caps. Copyright, like the drug laws are designed to protect a chosen few people, at the expense of the rest of us.
It's the back of the bus for you. And don't even think about freeing the slaves. After all, the rules are the rules. I better get my waders. It's getting deep in here.
...but you are also implying that they are doing something wrong or unreasonable.
Of course they are. They using a corrupt law to steal(lawsuits among other things) from the public. I have a right to copy and share what I want, and gov't regulations designed to protect outmoded industries will never change that. Copyright is not a natural right.
...and idiots like this who go around bragging that BT allows them to get around paying for their entertainment is exactly the behaviour that will cause them to crack down on BT.
I happen to like when publishers get their noses rubbed in it anytime they try to stop people from sharing. Let 'em crack down all they want. The result will better, harder to detect P2P. Then we can rub their noses in it again. This is an arms race that's really fun to watch. And if Hollywood stops making half-billion dollar "blockbusters" and goes bankrupt because of it, so what. Somebody else will make something just as good. And that's better for everybody. This will continue until all uploading is prohibited. And even that will be impossible once we acquire truly autonomous wireless. Sharing is a right that nobody has any right to control. You can try to drive P2P deeper underground, but it won't help your cash flow. Besides, profits from intellectual(imaginary) property are at an all time high, so what's the problem?
The real problem is that we want it all...for ourselves and nobody else. We spend most of our energy trying keep people from having what we have. We exclude them from our little clubs, gangs, countries... Look around. We build everything to keep people out. It's a horrible waste. However, it's perfectly natural. It's not just human. It's all over the place, but ultimately the species that win out are those that cooperate. So, if you want to save energy, stop climbing all over each other trying to stay on top. We can cooperate and share and build upon each others work, making it better every time. Not just some reversed engineered knock-off of the same old crap every model year. I believe we can have it all...forever if we want. Good, cooperative management is all it takes. It could demonstrate that we are more intelligent than the animals.
Posession of an idea is impossible, unless you don't express it in any way. Gov't edict requires that we honor something that does not exist. It's like being told that we MUST believe in the christian god and obey the ten commandments. Or that we must believe in santa clause and we must leave a plate of cookies and a glass of milk by the fireplace.
Take heart. FTA "I don't think Hollywood is willing to let it slide, but whether they're able to (stop it) is another matter,"... emphasis mine.
That's what I like to hear. Let 'em squirm. Laws are bought and sold like junk bonds. You don't need to be concerned whether it's legal or not. A cheap hooker deserves more respect than copyright law. No offense to the cheap hookers out there.
Considering that some gov't "services" (mostly black ops) depend on the money generated by contraband(may as well include it all). This way they don't have to answer to congress or anybody else. I would venture to say that your taxes could go UP if they had to look for other sources of income. The prohibition infrastructure has generated many jobs(mostly in the prison industry, police forces, but also in weaponry(America's best source of "off the books" income. Think Iran-Contra). The losses incurred if drugs were legalized would probably outweigh any tax benefits. This is especially true with weed, because it needs almost no processing for consumption. Just add water. Wait three months, and done. That cuts out a lot of the middle men that are needed to process other drugs including alcohol and tobacco. A big chunk of the world's economies would be wiped out with legalization. Besides, it just goes against the natural desire for control over others.
MHO, drugs should be legalized and regulated like alcohol and tobacco, simply because the budgetary and social cost of "crimes of financing" are exceeding the what the budgetary and social costs would be, if regulated. Simple, pragmatic economics.
On the contrary, Prohibition is much more profitable for the principals involved. Believe me, the dealers don't want the stuff legalized any more than the politicians(that also profit from the prohibition infrastructure). The margins are just too high under the present system.
When the punishment is extreme and doesn't fit the crime, of course it's a product of hate. It's also part of the desire of control over others. "You will obey me or go to jail." It's cruel, but not unusual(especially in the US).
Garnish wages? Hell, all they have to do is fireup another scam to help compensate for that.
..that at super high levels of the Dem party that a controlled loss this election cycle was in their best interest?
I most certainly did. I kind of felt that as soon as Kerry was nominated, he didn't seen to want the job that badly. He was just there for show. To provide an "opposition" candidate. I have no doubt that he may have "thrown" the election. You're absolutely right, it was probably a good idea, considering things that you mention and more. I'm sure George is singing, "If you think this country's in bad shape now just wait till I get through with it..."
The only thing that the US have left to export is entertainment. It's probably why they're so hung up on the IP issue. If IP goes away, there goes their last profitable business. Besides WMD's, of course.
It would be much less costly and more productive to garnish any income that these people make for a good long time. There is no justice in locking them up. It's vengence, pure and simple. You like to "make examples" of people, not for justice. You just like to hurt people, and you're looking for a way to justify it. Just because the corporations are treated with kidd gloves doesn't make necessary to jail individuals for spamming. Maybe we should lock people up for rolling through stop signs, no matter how deserted the intersection. Again, anytime the subject of spamming comes up, reasonable thought is thrown out the window. It's like discussing the middle east. The mods have proven that. Your attitude is the same as that of the whacko christians towards gays, and is based on hate, not justice.
You(as in y'all) are sick as hell if you think people should go to jail for property crimes. Especially stuff as trivial as this. Then again, this attitude explains the elections results pretty damn well. You think jail is a deterent(sp)?. Look at Texas with all their tough sentencing. Their crime rate is not significantly lower than any other state. I think people should be put in jail for wanting to put people in jail for trivial offenses.
Damn right. I found it easy to make a living in both "intelliegent" Texas AND "ignorant" Illinios. They considered me a god, not because I'm particularly good, but simply because I was about the only person that showed up on time every single day for over ten years. Easy to do when you can walk to work.:-) Back on topic(more or less)...I, like many others here, am utterly fascinated that a single, solitary, reasonable person could vote for Bush after these completely tragic last four years. It pretty clear that the "red" states in the center of the country, being completely isolated from the world by the coastal states, don't have the slightest idea, or couldn't care less when their farm is being foreclosed, of what their gov't is doing outside the border. After seeing other countries elections results over the last few months, it kind of looks like they are electing the same corrupt politicians as the Americans do. Too bad. I was hoping that the rest of the world would wake up and dump their dollars until the US starts to grow up.
and obviously they welcome their corporate overlords. Let's hope that wakes up the "other" sleeping giant called "The Rest of the World". It appears Diebold kept their promise. The underground just got deeper. It looks like soon we will have two distict societies on this planet which will be in perpetual war. Sure make me wish there was a god to rescue us.
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I had to read that twice to realize you didn't have a 266mhz 486.
Every generation of worker brings ingenuity to the job, and bit by bit their job becomes more and more complicated yet efficient.
In a way, nature does the same thing on an admittedly much more basic level...Fusion...Its possible that the universe it'self is becoming more complicated.
I wonder what great things they can calculate in just seconds now...
How 'bout this? 1,000,000! It tatkes pretty long on my P3.
any better if they just pushed us out of the window? :-) (I don't know. It didn't seem totally unrelated...)
They can make their own contracts with employers(work for hire, live performances, whatever) like the rest of us. If they wish to form a union, that's perfectly ok. They deserve no special consideration. The copies are nothing more than free advertising. Besides, copyright wasn't created to protect artists. It's to protect the publishing industry(what used to be the writer's guilds). And now, it's being used in an attempt to prevent self distribution. One method being the villification of P2P. ISP's are cooperating by using upload caps. Copyright, like the drug laws are designed to protect a chosen few people, at the expense of the rest of us.
...the rules are the rules.
It's the back of the bus for you. And don't even think about freeing the slaves. After all, the rules are the rules. I better get my waders. It's getting deep in here.
...but you are also implying that they are doing something wrong or unreasonable.
Of course they are. They using a corrupt law to steal(lawsuits among other things) from the public. I have a right to copy and share what I want, and gov't regulations designed to protect outmoded industries will never change that. Copyright is not a natural right.
Let them eat discs!
...and idiots like this who go around bragging that BT allows them to get around paying for their entertainment is exactly the behaviour that will cause them to crack down on BT.
I happen to like when publishers get their noses rubbed in it anytime they try to stop people from sharing. Let 'em crack down all they want. The result will better, harder to detect P2P. Then we can rub their noses in it again. This is an arms race that's really fun to watch. And if Hollywood stops making half-billion dollar "blockbusters" and goes bankrupt because of it, so what. Somebody else will make something just as good. And that's better for everybody. This will continue until all uploading is prohibited. And even that will be impossible once we acquire truly autonomous wireless. Sharing is a right that nobody has any right to control. You can try to drive P2P deeper underground, but it won't help your cash flow. Besides, profits from intellectual(imaginary) property are at an all time high, so what's the problem?
We want it all, but simply cannot have it all.
The real problem is that we want it all...for ourselves and nobody else. We spend most of our energy trying keep people from having what we have. We exclude them from our little clubs, gangs, countries... Look around. We build everything to keep people out. It's a horrible waste. However, it's perfectly natural. It's not just human. It's all over the place, but ultimately the species that win out are those that cooperate. So, if you want to save energy, stop climbing all over each other trying to stay on top. We can cooperate and share and build upon each others work, making it better every time. Not just some reversed engineered knock-off of the same old crap every model year. I believe we can have it all...forever if we want. Good, cooperative management is all it takes. It could demonstrate that we are more intelligent than the animals.
Posession of an idea is impossible, unless you don't express it in any way. Gov't edict requires that we honor something that does not exist. It's like being told that we MUST believe in the christian god and obey the ten commandments. Or that we must believe in santa clause and we must leave a plate of cookies and a glass of milk by the fireplace.
Take heart. FTA "I don't think Hollywood is willing to let it slide, but whether they're able to (stop it) is another matter,"... emphasis mine.
That's what I like to hear. Let 'em squirm. Laws are bought and sold like junk bonds. You don't need to be concerned whether it's legal or not. A cheap hooker deserves more respect than copyright law. No offense to the cheap hookers out there.
Considering that some gov't "services" (mostly black ops) depend on the money generated by contraband(may as well include it all). This way they don't have to answer to congress or anybody else. I would venture to say that your taxes could go UP if they had to look for other sources of income. The prohibition infrastructure has generated many jobs(mostly in the prison industry, police forces, but also in weaponry(America's best source of "off the books" income. Think Iran-Contra). The losses incurred if drugs were legalized would probably outweigh any tax benefits. This is especially true with weed, because it needs almost no processing for consumption. Just add water. Wait three months, and done. That cuts out a lot of the middle men that are needed to process other drugs including alcohol and tobacco. A big chunk of the world's economies would be wiped out with legalization. Besides, it just goes against the natural desire for control over others.
MHO, drugs should be legalized and regulated like alcohol and tobacco, simply because the budgetary and social cost of "crimes of financing" are exceeding the what the budgetary and social costs would be, if regulated. Simple, pragmatic economics.
On the contrary, Prohibition is much more profitable for the principals involved. Believe me, the dealers don't want the stuff legalized any more than the politicians(that also profit from the prohibition infrastructure). The margins are just too high under the present system.
When the punishment is extreme and doesn't fit the crime, of course it's a product of hate. It's also part of the desire of control over others. "You will obey me or go to jail." It's cruel, but not unusual(especially in the US).
Garnish wages? Hell, all they have to do is fireup another scam to help compensate for that.
Nonsense. They can be closely monitored.
..that at super high levels of the Dem party that a controlled loss this election cycle was in their best interest?
I most certainly did. I kind of felt that as soon as Kerry was nominated, he didn't seen to want the job that badly. He was just there for show. To provide an "opposition" candidate. I have no doubt that he may have "thrown" the election. You're absolutely right, it was probably a good idea, considering things that you mention and more. I'm sure George is singing,
"If you think this country's in bad shape now
just wait till I get through with it..."
The only thing that the US have left to export is entertainment. It's probably why they're so hung up on the IP issue. If IP goes away, there goes their last profitable business. Besides WMD's, of course.
It would be much less costly and more productive to garnish any income that these people make for a good long time. There is no justice in locking them up. It's vengence, pure and simple. You like to "make examples" of people, not for justice. You just like to hurt people, and you're looking for a way to justify it. Just because the corporations are treated with kidd gloves doesn't make necessary to jail individuals for spamming. Maybe we should lock people up for rolling through stop signs, no matter how deserted the intersection. Again, anytime the subject of spamming comes up, reasonable thought is thrown out the window. It's like discussing the middle east. The mods have proven that. Your attitude is the same as that of the whacko christians towards gays, and is based on hate, not justice.
You(as in y'all) are sick as hell if you think people should go to jail for property crimes. Especially stuff as trivial as this. Then again, this attitude explains the elections results pretty damn well. You think jail is a deterent(sp)?. Look at Texas with all their tough sentencing. Their crime rate is not significantly lower than any other state. I think people should be put in jail for wanting to put people in jail for trivial offenses.
This here makes it easy. Blue means "ignorant"(dumb). Red means "ignoranter"(dumber).
Damn right. I found it easy to make a living in both "intelliegent" Texas AND "ignorant" Illinios. They considered me a god, not because I'm particularly good, but simply because I was about the only person that showed up on time every single day for over ten years. Easy to do when you can walk to work. :-) Back on topic(more or less)...I, like many others here, am utterly fascinated that a single, solitary, reasonable person could vote for Bush after these completely tragic last four years. It pretty clear that the "red" states in the center of the country, being completely isolated from the world by the coastal states, don't have the slightest idea, or couldn't care less when their farm is being foreclosed, of what their gov't is doing outside the border. After seeing other countries elections results over the last few months, it kind of looks like they are electing the same corrupt politicians as the Americans do. Too bad. I was hoping that the rest of the world would wake up and dump their dollars until the US starts to grow up.
its like the trucker steak special, you have to eat the gristle too.
:-)
No you don't. That's what the knife is for.
and obviously they welcome their corporate overlords. Let's hope that wakes up the "other" sleeping giant called "The Rest of the World". It appears Diebold kept their promise. The underground just got deeper. It looks like soon we will have two distict societies on this planet which will be in perpetual war. Sure make me wish there was a god to rescue us.
just how society benefits from IP??? Lawyers and their support systems don't count
I have rung the MS Phone activation many times. Simple,...
Sure...if you have a phone. Lots of folks here with internet but no phone service.
Now, THIS is a troll.
(Score:2, Insightful)
Apparently not...