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The CPU: From Conception to Birth
CrzyP writes "Most of us have seen flowcharts and heard lectures on how a CPU functions in a computer. What a lot of us do not know, however, is how a CPU is created. Sudhian describes the step-by-step process of how a CPU is made, from grains of sand to a wafer of circuits. Ahhh sand, the building block of life...in the tech world!"
that is not "news" dude. this suppose to be "news for nerds"
Seems broken.
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Hmmm... Sand
sigs, as if you care.
It's slashdotted already so here's the poop:
1 Write out chip functions.
2 Emulate on high end computers.
3 Tape out prototypes.
4 Port Linux to new chip.
5 Send SCO US$699 per core.
Site is getting pretty doggy ... here is the obligatory link to the Google Cache
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ah sand. just like carbon is to humans, unless you're talking to someone who follows the book of genesis all the way down to the letter.
If you didn't already know what was in the article, you shouldn't be on Slashdot.
Slashdot: News for dorks who try to pass off as nerds.
The link works. Just a browser fart. Never mind.
sigs, as if you care.
but here's the scope:
When a daddy CPU and a mommy CPU really loves each other, they get together reeeal close and...
did computation begin at conception, or at birth?
No data, no cry
Ok... so the article is not exactly new, nor interesting, so I'm gonna talk about something related :
DNA microarrays from Affymetrix, used to quantify gene expression, are built on a process inspired from CPU design (photolitography - read more about it here). Chips are getting more complex with time, ala Moore Law (shrinking the probe cells to get more density); the most recent human chip harbor 1 300 000 probes representing 39000 transcripts and variants.
So technology developed for CPU is helping to find cures for diseases, increase our knowledge of life... etc. Isn't cool?
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It's fairly short and pretty generalized. Lots of pretty pictures though.
A quick search on Google ("silicon fabrication introduction") turns up arguably better links.
One from SGS Thompson
A basic one from Intel
From Bell Labs
And there are plenty more.
The author blurs sentences together like a 6 year old child might, using the same sentence construction over and over sometimes. It's certainly not a FUN read, but has some interesting info in it.
So what came first? The CPU? Or the computer that built the CPU?
Is this for real? A two page article ? (and mostly pictures)
This article is too short and uninformative that it shouldn't have even made Slashdot!
Use the silicon for processors, or implants... processors, or implants...
--- Asking inconvenient questions for over 30 years...
I have often wondered about what exactly goes into the technology we take for granted.
The thought experiment I perform is to imagine what it would take to get the end product from absolutely nothing except the stuff around you found naturally. Working in the basement of the University of Washington physics laboratory, I often wondered how someone would build a milling machine or an industrial lathe. You can cut wood with rudimentary tools, and making crude iron or steel tools isn't too complicated, but how would construct a precise machine with all the guages and dials and electric motors and so on?
It sure brings me to a realization of just how far we have come from slogging about in mud and eating rats like we did in the dark ages. Our world is so complicated that no one person can understand more than a small fraction of it. Everyone is a specialist of one sort of another, even the garbage collectors and sewage system maintainers. Every generation of worker brings ingenuity to the job, and bit by bit their job becomes more and more complicated yet efficient.
Soon, will we each have a small chunk of humanity's experience in our skulls? Will we rule an insanely complicated world governed by machines and processes no one can fully understand? Or have we already come to that point?
The radical sect of Islam would either see you dead or "reverted" to Islam.
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So the next time you're walking on the beach, enjoying an hourglass, or making cheap, low-grade windshields, think where we'd be without ... SAND!
I guess I expected more from /.
But - then again, perhaps nothing is left but old hats and moldy CMP-SCI102 texts.
And of course there is always the Britney spears guide to semiconductor physics... http://britneyspears.ac/lasers.htm
Seriously. I have a 20 year old book that details this just as well. Probably better. There must be more "newsworthy" submissions. Maybe we need a system by which editors are *required* to read the linked articles?
Each step requires the equipment from the previous steps:
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1) Charcoal Foundry for Scrap Aluminum
2) Lathe
3) Metal Shaper
4) Milling Machine
http://www.lindsaybks.com/dgjp/djgbk/series/index
Vinge, and others, have played with this concept in a sci-fi arena, but I wonder - what happens when, to take your example, garbage men hit the wall on efficiency at disposing garbage? (This implies the whole supply chain - or perhaps I should say the removal chain - of garbage mitigation specialists hitting a limit, including recyclers, dumpers, shippers, lobbyists, specialist accountants, etc.) Inputs to the garbage industry will likely be still capable of increasing demand (or, again oddly for this example, an aspect of supply), so economics start kicking in, raising costs of disposal. With garbage, we're seeing the start of this already, and in some extreme cases, lots of noise (a certain mountain in Navada, for instance).
This has, in turn, second order effects for lots of other industries and people, and almost nobody understands the problem, other than the people who are the maxed out specialists, for a given social, technological and economic milleu. Problems, solutions and examples of poor communication and scams start to multiply.
It is fun stuff to think about, especially because I think we're getting a little close in certain areas. I hope to have a paper out on this soonish.
I forget what 8 was for.
Isn't that supposed to be a bad thing?
...the article is not exactly new, nor interesting...
It was posted by Michael for Chrissakes! Malda hired Michael to make all the other editors look good!
Yeesh! Think before you post, will ya!?
Huh?
...I've learned to appreciate all the other editors. Even Timothy.
Good plan Rob. Really good plan!
I'd forgotten about this site. Funny as fuck.
I would never have guessed.
But you might want to put the qualification "with each other."
kthxbye.
I picked this up on a visit to a Nikon factory in Japan where they make the Step & Repeat machines that make the chips and fabs as well as the precision testing equipment. To give you an idea of the optical precision required by the Step & Repeat machines that make the Fabs and chips consider this... The accuracy is equivalent to cutting all but 1 blade of grass on an entire football field to the exact same length... Prett amazing stuff.
It's not a troll - that article was written at a 9th grade level at best. I read the whole thing looking for something interesting and there wasn't.
Mmmm..... sand.... the building block of life...
Ahhh sand, the building block of life...
...and when there was no meat, we ate fowl and when there was no fowl, we ate crawdad and when there was no crawdad to be found, we ate sand.
[an old convict and H.I. lying on their prison bunks, passing the time]
Ear-Bending Cellmate :
H.I. : You ate what?
Ear-Bending Cellmate : We ate sand.
[pause]
H.I. : You ate SAND?
Ear-Bending Cellmate : That's right!
Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion.
About a year ago I bought a couple xp 1700s that overclocked amazingly high, obviously a high quality processor set aside for selling in the lower end market. It also was the green/amber shiney color.
Now all Intel needs is stores where you can watch the chips being made. Like a Krispy Kreme!
Did anybody else's butthole start to hurt when they saw the Crystal Silicon Ingot?
Step one is to make a charcoal foundry, starting with a pail, fire clay, and a steel pipe. With this you can cast parts. You hand-carve wooden masters, make sand moulds, and pour molten metal into them.
Once you can cast, the next step is to build a lathe - the simplest machine tool. You'd probably have to make a very crude lathe first, but once you have even a crude lathe, you can make round things. Then you can make a better lathe.
The next tool is a shaper, or planer, which allows you to make flat things. You're now up to the machining technology of 1850 or so, and can make small steam engines. Take a look at a steam locomotive. It's all castings with a little finish machining. All the finish machining is either lathe or planer work - there are no milled parts with complex surfaces.
The other early power tool, not mentioned in Gingery, is a steam hammer. You don't need that for small work, but the steam hammer is the tool that made it possible to make stuff too big to hammer out by hand. Watt's factory had a steam hammer by 1810 or so.
Once you have the lathe and planer, you can build, with difficulty, a milling machine. Once you have a milling machine, you can build more milling machines without too much trouble. And you can build a better mill than the one you've got.
Once you have a good mill, you can make almost anything makeable in metal.
People have built machine tools from these books, so it's quite possible.
After reading through the pages, I am reminded of that little sidebar in PCWorld magazine that describe the same thing but so much more so.....
This is stuff that even a stupid 1 year old kid in CS would/should know. That's just sloppy journalism. BTW I have a link about how to print Hello World in C. Would you /. it.
Here is a slightly better written article on the same topic...
"People have built machine tools from these books, so it's quite possible."
And yet we still haven't been able to "bootstrap" into humanity.
Indeed a very impressive technology, getting better and faster by every geometry.
As a digital designer I can't help to point out that the man time invested in an ASIC these days is an order of magnitude of what it takes to build a single chip. TSMC can put a chip out in two weeks.
Of course I'm not taking in consideration the time taken to prepare the fab to be ready for first production, but when you and your team of 10 work tirelessly for a year, two weeks turnaround time always seems amazing.
-P@
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This is one of the lamest, most oversimplified explanations I've seen in a long time. I think I read this in high school physics.
For example, sand is not melted in a quartz bucket to make an ingot. Sand is Si02, or quartz. THe bucket would melt, and you;'d have an ingot full of Si and 02. Sand is made into gaseous silcon, called silane gas, which is then allowed to crystallize into a solid, chunks of which are melted in a quartz bucket.
Except that everybody is using ASML scanners right now...
From the article: "As you can guess, holes don't conduct electricity very well."
Yes they do, halve of the transistors in the CPU rely on this fact. I know what you tried to say, but mind your words..
A favourite as it combines the best from two worlds. :)
Unforunatly, some processors don't work well toegther. It usually ends up as one processor is doing all the work, while the other one sits in the background doing not a damn thing. Day in and out, this processor sits on it's ass complaining about all the heat the other one is generating, when all he is trying to do is process these stupid little single thread applications, which are usually the result of the other processor (compiling is often a multi-processing task).
Eventually if things continue as they are, the two processors split in an ever growing trend in electronics of single processor systems and live in their own cases on their own motherboards. Sure, applications at times suffer, but it's for the best and they can still have visitation with both processors via a shared wireless network.
"I'll just chip in a bit for RedHat: I actually have that installed on my university machine." - Linus, '95
Sometimes you wish they'd used a condom!
I've got a sample 100mm wafer on my desk with several hunderd ICs of some sort arranged in a grid on it. The ICs are only 4mm x 4mm, but the distance between them is about 0.1mm.
What sort of cutting device is used to chop these 4x4 squares out of the die without messing up the adjacent ones?
This wafer isn't special in any way and I'm sure other wafers would have a similarly small gap because it's a waste of space not to.
A Dremel? A frickin' laser beam? Anyone?
It was like a geek's heaven inside. Everything was the best, new and working just right. They spent something like 1.5 billion pounds ($3 billion US) on the place. Hell, even the coffee machines were wonderful.
Inside the (huge) clean room was best - fully automated monorails all over the ceiling, carrying pods of wafers around, for instance. Row upon row of ovens with pure oxygen atmospheres at several hundred degrees C, implanters using silly amount of electricity (and huge copper hooks to remove people stuck), and incredibly dangerous chemicals being piped all over (including the very scary HF - 'If it leaks near you, there's no point in running').
Wonderful stuff. It was all incredibly interesting, to see all the processes that went into making (relatively simple) RAM chips.
Shame the arse fell out of the DRAM market in 1999, meaning they closed the place. Atmel are using it now.
Maybe it's the vodka talking, but I started to read the article and, about three paragraphs in, I realized just how much I didn't care.
Super intelligent bacteria operating miniature caterpillars.
Although it's a neat effort to explain some engineering & physics to the avg case modder running XP & windowblinds (;-)) there's an initial nasty mistake:
The new wafers are then taken and doped appropriately for the type of transistors that will be made out of them. Doping amounts to depositing other elements into the space between silicon atoms. This is what causes silicon to be the "semiconductor" that it is. Transistors today are made from "CMOS" technology, or Complementary Metal Oxide Semiconductors. Complementary means the interaction of "n" and "p" MOS
No, no... doping is about getting impurities inside the Si lattice substituting some of the Si atoms. The whole concept is: electron energy levels of a single atom becoming thick bands for hoards of electrons to fly within; if the next band is empty & close enough to the last full band you have an "intrinsic" semic. Doping the crystal means to get other atoms (P) into the lattice so that their electrons are weakly tied and readily bumped into the conduction band (@ room temp); or you plug greedy B into the lattice so that it grabs an e- all for itself leaving some other Si without and a roaming Hole inside the last full band...Leaving doping atoms wedged inside the lattice without participating to the whole electron/lattice exchange doesn't do anything good, perhaps it just deforms the reticle creating all sorts of defects & a useless brick of solid sand
Overall this article lacks a lot of geek factor... there's so many "cool" catchy words and processes like Silicon Over Insulator, Damascene Process, dovetail prevention, SiN and SuperK dielectric... bah, it could have been a LOT better... have a look in arsMi domando chi à il mandante di tutte le cazzate che faccio - Altan
I know that diamond cutter is used for dicing. Actually have done that personnally. Our gadget will remove about 200nm (width) silicon.
A dicing machine using blades lined with diamond dust. Not cheap..
Still, just as you've mentioned, you can trade technology for labor, and you quickly discover why manufacturing processes in the past were so labor intensive for comparatively little actual product being produced.
"What a lot of us do not know, however, is how a CPU is created."
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And how do you 'know' this ? My guess is that you don't. Maybe upto 50% of your audience knows how a chip is made.... who knows.
Was there a study comissioned perhaps ?
"CPU creation awareness in the Slashdot herd."
The point is that you presume too much
You can always speak TO the crowd when you have no data telling you what the crowd does or does not know.
"If you don't know how a CPU is made, here's your chance."
More rigour please, more rigour. For a tech site, it seems to fail to encourage it
Anybody know what the average age of the slashdot herd is ? 22? 15? 10?
First the misleading part:
CrzyP writes "Most of us have seen flowcharts and heard lectures on how a CPU functions in a computer. What a lot of us do not know, however, is how a CPU is created.
I swear I envisioned decisions of how many registers to do what, what the instruction set should include, pipelining, hardwired vs. microprogramming, etc. Insteresting Stuff, at least to this nerd.
BUT NOOOOOO, it's about:
Sudhian describes the step-by-step process of how a CPU is made, from grains of sand to a wafer of circuits.
It's about Semiconductor Physics, and has no special relation to CPU's any more than it does to RAM, IC Op-Amps, RF amplifiers or LED's. Okay, CPU's and RAM are a little different, unlike the others, they are made as dense as possible.
Then I actually read TFA, and I have to agree with other comments, it's a grammar-school general-technology lesson: Listen Up, boyz and girlz, Computers are made from Sand!
I've seen lots better stuff in the obligatory semiconductor-physics first chapter of any transistor circuits analysis book from the past 50 or more years. Of course that chapter was like the Venn diagrams that start out many high school math books, very few readers would ever actually use the info in a later class or in a career.
For some Real Info, I recall a "The Amateur Scientist" column from late-60's or early 70's Scientific American that described making "thin-film transistors" - surely not the quality of a commercial 2-cent 2N2222, but something that has gain.
Or even the Smithsonian Magazine article on an Intel manufacturing plant, ISTR the cover had someone in a bunny suit holding a wafer. It wasn't even about the chips themselves, but about the evolution of the clean room, and factoids about the waterfall process to clean the air - did you know the air in clean rooms is completely replaced three times a minute? Not a lot of Real Technical stuff, but still more informative than TFA.
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"What a lot of us do not know, however, is how a CPU is created."
/.ers would be Interesting, but the knowledge distribution (who knows what languages, how to use a 7490 and 741, what's the charge carrier in P material) would be quite Informative.
And how do you 'know' this ? My guess is that you don't. Maybe upto 50% of your audience knows how a chip is made.... who knows.
I wouldn't be surprised if 50 percent know more about making semiconductors than does the author of TFA.
Anybody know what the average age of the slashdot herd is ? 22? 15? 10?
I'm an Old Fart at 47. An age distribution of
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What would have been far more interesting would be to skim the surface of the actual design and layout process of the chip, the software used that actually builds the layout and chip design, and the uber-geeks that actually simulate the design, identify bottlenecks or problems in the design, and hand-optimize the chip design before committing it to the mask process ("tape"), and the tools and techniques they use to do this.
It's a lot more than a SPICE simulation, I think...
Is that article to explain my mom how CPU are made or geeks. Worst article I have ever seen.
1. Put a paint shaker in the middle of the floor.
2. Put an open can of paint in the paint shaker.
3. Turn it on. Run out of the room very quickly.
Everything in the room is now covered with paint.
4. Wait until the paint dries.
5. Cover every part of the room you really wanted painted with masking tape.
Leave the floor, switch plates, etc. uncovered.
6. Put an open can of paint remover in the paint shaker.
7. Turn it on. Run out of the room very quickly.
Everything not covered with masking tape is now clean again.
8. Remove the masking tape.
9. Remove the paint shaker and sludge from the floor.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens.
A saw, called a dicing saw. It is just a plain circular saw with very high precision, not just in the lateral direction, but also in the horisontal, to allow precise cuts partially through a wafer.
Carsten
Another good power source for a crude lathe is a young, flexible tree. Simply wind a rope around the lathe, then tie the end to the bent over tree. Attach a crank to wind it back up. You can get a few good fast rotations from each bend.
See this CleanRooms article for more details
Do you have (or know of) any photos of this tool?