My point, which you so clumsily avoided, is that it is not practical to enforce exact usage of such a ubiqutous tool.
I'm replying to my own post above, to clarify that by 'enforce' above I mean 'police' - ie enforce by personally monitoring as opposed to technical restrictions.
But the real question is, are you going to buy cable with adult channels and not place a lock on the adult channels? Of course you aren't. So why do people do it with the internet?
Are you asking me personally? No, and in my post I haven't suggested I would do anything of the sort. I fundamentally agree with the basic premise of 'opt in porn' and also for reference I absolutely believe in parents unwavering obligation to be responsible for their childrens behaviour and what they are exposed to.
My point, which you so clumsily avoided, is that it is not practical to enforce exact usage of such a ubiqutous tool. If you read the parent then you would see your rant, including use of password security, was completly irrelevant.
Completly unworkable. Assume a household with 3 children. Are we supposed to set up a dedicated computer room instead of their bedrooms (where kids have had their PCs since..forever...1981 in my case) and make sure there is a full time watcher?
Kids over 13 or so can stay home alone. Do we lock up the computer room when the adults are out? Computing to the current generation is as pervasive as book reading was the one before. They will have free access to it whatever we think.
Well - are you going to substaniate that? For most users, using Firefox is infinately safer if only because they are unlikely to pickup spyware which will hook into their banking login.
What's different is that it isn't illegal for me to buy music legally in another country.... in Australia.
You're missing my point - deliberatly or otherwise.
Most of us probably avoid illegally downloading (aka stealing) music on principal - I know I do. I buy all my music on CD really, I've no interest in scrounging around for torrents etc. To use 'allofmp3' is just as wrong on that same principal because your money isn't going near the artist - likely just into some Russian mafia crooks war chest to fund other more sinister activities.
So the point is that if you're going to take an artists music without giving them ANYTHING (yes, I know the label takes most) then you would be doing every one a favour by just stealing it the normal way instead of maknig a charitable donation to a crime ring.
What's different/interesting about that? Everyone else has been illegally downloading for years too. The point is that when iTunes comes out we have a legal option, just like you will.
so explain why i can order the physical cd from america without a problem?
And more to the point, why the government specifically brought in parallel import laws to allow you to do exactly that (ie a proper Australian shop can import and sell American CDs) yet we still can't do it digitally.
USSJoin: but I think that most/.ers wouldn't be here if they hadn't been introduced to computers at some point; most people are introduced to computing through Windows.
I wonder how true that is. Personally, mine was the Vic-20. I didn't get in front of Windows until 1995 at work (Win 3.1 at the time, but I installed 95 to try), and that was enough to convince me that Windows was not a suitable replacement for my Amiga 4000.
I bought a 486 DX2/66, put slackware on it, then a few years later supplimented that with a Mac (OS 8.6) and then moved to OS X. I see no reason other than Battlefield 2 to go back to Windows as my main machine:)
/. is probably reasonably stacked wth people who ddn't need to be introduced to computing by their workplace or local harvey norman / computer world / best buy.
What Blackberry has done is integrate with the 3 major email systems in a truely seamless way, and have their server strip and reformat data to make these slow GPRS devices actually usable. Not to mention that it PUSHes emails instantly to the client instead of continuous pop polling.
I'm not really a big Blackberry fan (despite having one) but I can see their appeal.
Blackberry was about the only thing we used where MS have a stated interest in the market. Our CEO and other top level guys just loved their Blackberries. Forget other good technologies, we are loyal MS customers...except Blackberry
NOw they will see that they got their fingers burned, will recognise that this COULD NEVER happen to MS, so will play even safer next time.
It's a German company that sells quite rather a lot of software. Whole large businesses run on it, and a cheap installation starts in seven figures and goes up from there. It's a serious suite of software. Check "SAP Specialist" in your favourite job search engine and check the rates they're getting for clue 2. They're big, as in first-page-of-Hitchhiker's-Guide big.
That's a seriously out of date perception of SAP.
Coincidentally, I got a call from them yesterday. After discussing whether or not they can help me with anything, they asked my permission to run though a quick survey.
One question was my opinion of SAP. I said that these days I was neither pro or con SAP, but recounted a story from 1996. At the time I was working (as IT Manager) for a reasonable sized company. Turnover just over 100m p/a. Our parent company was buying SAP products for various areas, and I was told to start collecting info as we may be asked to do the same.
I started making calls, but was basically told 'you can't afford it', goodbye. They knew who we were (ie as part of the parent), but just had bigger fish to fry.
My SAP guy in 2005 said things are different now - he has a customer with 4 employees. Nothing is too small.
BTW - we're an Oracle customer, I had nothing to give him:)
Prices here are far over inflated; you need 2 good incomes, no children, no life and rich parents to afford anything that isn't in some grotty ghetto.
No, I complained for a few years about that too. In 2002 I discovered that it is all crap. You save what you can, get a personal loan from Westpac for the rest you need to show and apply to the NAB for the mortgage.
I now have 3 mortgages in Sydney based on my own salary which, as you say, has barely changed since 2000. My parents haven't a cent to give me so don't think I got any help.
I am pretty pissed that it took me untill age 28 to see that the banks allow you to pull the wool over their eyes.
Honestly, that's the way to go, and once you have one place, you can keep rolling.
I've just (like 30 seconds later) reconsidered what the poster might have been thinking. I suppose he wasn't seeing the curve as being salary so I think my previous post was was off track.
although I suspect you are on the upper side of the bell curve.
Look, I hate to kick someone when thery are down (in posting terms) but being on the upper side of 'the Bell curve' isn't a good thing. I suspect you don't know what a Bell curve is. You want to be bang in the middle.
I missed this at the time, but if this thread is still being read, I say 'bollocks'.
It's impossible for me to explain the difference here, but they hboth have a subtle difference.
I get roughly the equivalent of an senior-level IT wage, from a four year apprenticeship that , frankly, any monkey can struggle through.
No you don't.
I'm also an Aussie on a 9-5 job but in IT. I have no qualifications (missed the exams for my A-Levels in the UK), I passed 85k on my 24th birthday (which happens to coincide with the salary review period) and am currently at 130 at 30.
My lowest earning (non IT) Male friend earns 90k and one just reached 200, So while 85k is certainly an OK salary, it's well below 'senior'.
Arrogant as this post reads, I'm not having a go, just pointing out that 85 is pretty average.
My 'senior IT' boss is on 300k.
Advice to kids - get smart and into IT. Hands on work won't get you 'up there'.
Unless they are using Zenworks and have the ability to install or uninstall at the flip of a switch. (any Netware geeks out there?)
You mean the ZENWorks that isn't even remotely NetWare specific?
(Yes, I absolutely know what you're saying, just trying to stop the constant assumption that any product made by Novell is 100% locked to NetWare....most aren't (even thought they do run great on it). And that isn't just a recent change.
One of my networks (190 PCs) is predominantly Pentium 2-350 with 64MB running WinNT4. Recently many have had an extra 256MB ram fitted, but for 5 years 64 was it.
Along with the latest GroupWIse client, Novell client, a CPU and memory hungry 16-bit CRS app (Viewpoint to anyone who knows it) a 16-bit fax client (Bitware for FAXServe) plus IE6, Office97, Symantec AV and other behind the scenes desktop management services for remote control inventory, security etc.
While the recent ram helped, these machines were great when bough and despite newer version of software bogging them down somewhat (until the extra ram) they never became anywhere near too slow to use.
RAM is everything for general use, the CPU has hardly mattered for a general user, or even a power office user, since the P2.
While I am sitting on a P4 2.8, my own P3-733 is still just as fast in my day to day stuff - I only bought a new machine for gaming.
Slashdot Mirror
I'm replying to my own post above, to clarify that by 'enforce' above I mean 'police' - ie enforce by personally monitoring as opposed to technical restrictions.
Are you asking me personally? No, and in my post I haven't suggested I would do anything of the sort. I fundamentally agree with the basic premise of 'opt in porn' and also for reference I absolutely believe in parents unwavering obligation to be responsible for their childrens behaviour and what they are exposed to.
My point, which you so clumsily avoided, is that it is not practical to enforce exact usage of such a ubiqutous tool. If you read the parent then you would see your rant, including use of password security, was completly irrelevant.
Kids over 13 or so can stay home alone. Do we lock up the computer room when the adults are out? Computing to the current generation is as pervasive as book reading was the one before. They will have free access to it whatever we think.
Well - are you going to substaniate that? For most users, using Firefox is infinately safer if only because they are unlikely to pickup spyware which will hook into their banking login.
I'll forgo my mod points to ask 'where?' What's the relevance?
You're missing my point - deliberatly or otherwise.
Most of us probably avoid illegally downloading (aka stealing) music on principal - I know I do. I buy all my music on CD really, I've no interest in scrounging around for torrents etc. To use 'allofmp3' is just as wrong on that same principal because your money isn't going near the artist - likely just into some Russian mafia crooks war chest to fund other more sinister activities.
So the point is that if you're going to take an artists music without giving them ANYTHING (yes, I know the label takes most) then you would be doing every one a favour by just stealing it the normal way instead of maknig a charitable donation to a crime ring.
What's different/interesting about that? Everyone else has been illegally downloading for years too. The point is that when iTunes comes out we have a legal option, just like you will.
And more to the point, why the government specifically brought in parallel import laws to allow you to do exactly that (ie a proper Australian shop can import and sell American CDs) yet we still can't do it digitally.
18 months? I'm amazed the shops didn't give up stocking them when they sat on the shelf for the first 2.5 years without a single sale :)
I wonder how true that is. Personally, mine was the Vic-20. I didn't get in front of Windows until 1995 at work (Win 3.1 at the time, but I installed 95 to try), and that was enough to convince me that Windows was not a suitable replacement for my Amiga 4000.
I bought a 486 DX2/66, put slackware on it, then a few years later supplimented that with a Mac (OS 8.6) and then moved to OS X. I see no reason other than Battlefield 2 to go back to Windows as my main machine :)
/. is probably reasonably stacked wth people who ddn't need to be introduced to computing by their workplace or local harvey norman / computer world / best buy.
What Blackberry has done is integrate with the 3 major email systems in a truely seamless way, and have their server strip and reformat data to make these slow GPRS devices actually usable. Not to mention that it PUSHes emails instantly to the client instead of continuous pop polling.
I'm not really a big Blackberry fan (despite having one) but I can see their appeal.
NOw they will see that they got their fingers burned, will recognise that this COULD NEVER happen to MS, so will play even safer next time.
It's pathetic.
I got some kind of computer abut 24 years ago. I can tell you the model and price, plus the software that came with it. And I was 7 at the time.
You didn't get any gameboy you trolling twat, because a) you didn't and b) the games typically don't suck.
That's a seriously out of date perception of SAP.
Coincidentally, I got a call from them yesterday. After discussing whether or not they can help me with anything, they asked my permission to run though a quick survey.
One question was my opinion of SAP. I said that these days I was neither pro or con SAP, but recounted a story from 1996. At the time I was working (as IT Manager) for a reasonable sized company. Turnover just over 100m p/a. Our parent company was buying SAP products for various areas, and I was told to start collecting info as we may be asked to do the same.
I started making calls, but was basically told 'you can't afford it', goodbye. They knew who we were (ie as part of the parent), but just had bigger fish to fry.
My SAP guy in 2005 said things are different now - he has a customer with 4 employees. Nothing is too small.
BTW - we're an Oracle customer, I had nothing to give him :)
No, I complained for a few years about that too. In 2002 I discovered that it is all crap. You save what you can, get a personal loan from Westpac for the rest you need to show and apply to the NAB for the mortgage.
I now have 3 mortgages in Sydney based on my own salary which, as you say, has barely changed since 2000. My parents haven't a cent to give me so don't think I got any help.
I am pretty pissed that it took me untill age 28 to see that the banks allow you to pull the wool over their eyes.
Honestly, that's the way to go, and once you have one place, you can keep rolling.
I've just (like 30 seconds later) reconsidered what the poster might have been thinking. I suppose he wasn't seeing the curve as being salary so I think my previous post was was off track.
Look, I hate to kick someone when thery are down (in posting terms) but being on the upper side of 'the Bell curve' isn't a good thing. I suspect you don't know what a Bell curve is. You want to be bang in the middle.
I was beginning to think my lot were alone. Yes - it works and people have it.
I missed this at the time, but if this thread is still being read, I say 'bollocks'. It's impossible for me to explain the difference here, but they hboth have a subtle difference.
BTW - that's before super, mobile, car and performance bonus. Just to keep in perspective.
And the Morgan Banks survey 2005 suggests I'm only mid range for my area, ie middle manager.
No you don't.
I'm also an Aussie on a 9-5 job but in IT. I have no qualifications (missed the exams for my A-Levels in the UK), I passed 85k on my 24th birthday (which happens to coincide with the salary review period) and am currently at 130 at 30. My lowest earning (non IT) Male friend earns 90k and one just reached 200, So while 85k is certainly an OK salary, it's well below 'senior'.
Arrogant as this post reads, I'm not having a go, just pointing out that 85 is pretty average.
My 'senior IT' boss is on 300k.
Advice to kids - get smart and into IT. Hands on work won't get you 'up there'.
(and my typo of 'us' for 'is' can presumably be excused if I say I have a Kiwi accent.....)
You may as well suggest 'ure' us as good as 'your'.
You mean the ZENWorks that isn't even remotely NetWare specific?
(Yes, I absolutely know what you're saying, just trying to stop the constant assumption that any product made by Novell is 100% locked to NetWare....most aren't (even thought they do run great on it). And that isn't just a recent change.
Along with the latest GroupWIse client, Novell client, a CPU and memory hungry 16-bit CRS app (Viewpoint to anyone who knows it) a 16-bit fax client (Bitware for FAXServe) plus IE6, Office97, Symantec AV and other behind the scenes desktop management services for remote control inventory, security etc.
While the recent ram helped, these machines were great when bough and despite newer version of software bogging them down somewhat (until the extra ram) they never became anywhere near too slow to use.
RAM is everything for general use, the CPU has hardly mattered for a general user, or even a power office user, since the P2.
While I am sitting on a P4 2.8, my own P3-733 is still just as fast in my day to day stuff - I only bought a new machine for gaming.