I know at least one corporation using a version which was FTP'd - mine.
Next you will be suggesting that no company has Windows without a service contract, or that everyone wants one. Many people are happy to look after things themselves, althought in the MS world we NEED the frequent fixes, only because there are so many things NEEDING fixing.
And yes, plenty of Northern Irish would say their nationality is British. And no, it wouldn't be strictly split on religigious grounds. Your nationality, at the end of the day, is the passport you carry and in N.Ireland that is pretty much British.
I pstopped reading at that point. I think it was another article written from the authors general knowledge of the platforms. Ie, he's glanced at a Mac and knows that they include 'iMovie' and 'iDVD'
My complaint about Y2K was that I worked in 96/97 on out 'Y2K' project, along with other colleaguea as I needed them.
We mainly identified that nothing we had would be affected, including the 1994 486PCs that we had at 200 desks.
We got our core application vendor to review their product (it was a fairly obscure vertical app) and so on. Basically, we took pretty reasonable steps and decided we knew where we stood.....until 18 months later when the hysteria hit. All of a sudden we had 3 full time analysts from Unisys (of all people), a project manager and other 'by the hour' consusltants as Unisys deemed necessary.
The analysts were really just backpackers in suits and carried out various tasks: Printing rubbish to file, reading pornography (really!) and keeping upto date on the UK soccer scene.
No expense was wasted. We bought multiple $30k servers to test on so that they were similar to what we had in production. Flights anywhere and anytime to LOOK at another site (which were all identical to HO). Hell, I chucked in the 'need' for replacing every single PC + 10 or so new ProLiants once I saw the new form.
We were a company that took 9 months to approve a $15k core server upgrade only 18 month prior. I have no idea the eventual cost but it was 50k here, 50k there + the ongoing 5 or 6k a day in consultants.
After 20-odd years in business, the company went into administration in 2001. Sadly, It didn't recover.
By the way, the Y2K teams final conclusion? "All clear". We didn't have a single genuine action point which didn't involve putting stickers on items and writing to busniess partners to say we take the thing seriously.
I still have my Y2K folder from 97. It said the same thing without the stickers and was a hell of a lot cheaper.
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I doubt it, but I can't see the connection between torrent use and violent crime. What is your point?
Take for instance Microsoft. Ten years ago it was the icon of geekhood
WHAT? In 1994 MS was still the OS that the 'geeks' were praying wouldn't continue to rise. Geeks had their Unix on Suns, HPs, DECs...even the good old Amiga and of course Linux. I recall the 'DOS' and 'Windows' users from that time and they were *NOT* geeks. They were ultra-conservatives afraid not to fit in or be part of mainstream computing. They were the ones that didn't need to enter into discussions on other platforms because a) they were using Microsoft products and b) The loved Microsoft. If anything, it's more geeky now as 2k and xp aren't quite so pathetic as earlier versions.
OK, here are the ones that matter to me. I have also (8 months ago) moed to a different business unit so am now an Exchange admin and Outlook user.
Admin:
User settings are all 'server side'. Outlook profiles are a major pain the the ass. And it's always some kind of trick to automate their management which never works as seamlessly as GW.
GW installations and updates are a few MB. I had a 15 site GW with 128k links between them. over a 7 year period I upgraded and installed across the wire all the time resulting in a 15 to 60 second outage when I finall had to unload/load the new NLM versions. In Exchange, it's just not that simple or quick. Upgrades require serious planning and users know about it.
Access to other mailboxes. I am convinced my Exchange guy has this wrong, but it seems in Exchange users can't really manage their mailbox rights themselves. Assuming we have it wrong and those settings are supposed to work, it again requires the other user to modify their Outlook profile AT THEIR INDIVIDUAL PC. The result is that in the Outlook world, users don't take advantage of giving rights to other users which results in everyone sharing passwords so they can 'get into their email as she is off'.
Reliability. GW in 7 years never caused me a moments grief. No server reinstalls, no replication problems, just 100% working while I ignored it as a utility service that shouldn't need my attention. In my Exchange experience, I have a guy who is nearly full time working on it with routine issues, patching and so on. As someone who considered email something that we got right 20 years ago, I hate the amount of resource that my new place puts into keeping it going.
I could go on, but I'll do a few user ones .
#1 by far - Right click a message, properties and you can see that messages have been delivered, opened, deleted etc. Individual per recipient. This is so useful I miss it each and every day in Outlook.
Filter / search. Outlook filters and searches but it is so slow you only use it when desperate - it must be doing it 'client side'. Conversly, in GW I filter pretty much every time I need to see an email as it's quicker than even scrolling down a few pages - takes a few seconds even if it's some message 2 years ago.
'Proxy' access to others mailboxes. This is incredible in GW and pathetic in Exchange. See above for more.
Rules. Outlooks rules are NOT easy for an end user to create other than a simple' I'm on holidays" and even then it encourages them to make a rule which replies to all messages (not just ones specifically to them). Outlook/Exchange rules seem to be a mix of 'server side' and 'client side'. I've been unable to make rules to move messages on mailboxes other than my own (ie ones I have added as 'additional mailboxes' unless I settle for client side. This is no use for a million reasons. Again, in a GW world basic users USE rules - in Outlook it's a 'I'm on holiday' tool and anything further is too difficult or not possible.
In any case above where you might think 'HE DOESN"T KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING - OUTLOOK/EXCHANGE CAN DO THAT!" I'd respond that I never had to make any effort to learn GroupWise and got nothing but perfect results. I'm now managing dedicated MCSE staff who tell me 'you can't do that' and I have to trust them. I usually am sceptical and get onto the technet forums - they then tell me the same. So If YOU know how to do it, you're in a minority - and that is the crux of my complaint with Exchange etc. It does a job badly and unintuitivly.
Now, don't get me started about address book import/export on Exchange 2000..
98%? Novell GroupWise has significant *useful* features which Outlook simply can't touch.
Novell GroupWise is a significantly better product to administer AND use.
Another poster reckons your name means 'shit' in finland. In any language I reckon what you are saying is shit. 'WIN' is a regional station which I have only seen on occasions I'm out in Bathurst or other 'arse ends of nowhere'. Given that I spend a lot of time in all the capital cities of a county of 18 million, for you to suggest 'WIN' has 7 million viewers is...well...finish:)
Is this a new thing on/.? We know noone RTFA but do people now reply to a post with a slagging without reading the fucking post? That reply had no relevance to me or my post!
Anyway, after buying and unlocking and then this extra download (it downloaded slightly quicker than the estimate) I've been absolutly stunned by the game so far - it's definatly the best FPS since....Half Life! The initial 'insertion' just set the mood in a way I simply haven't felt before.
I'm still DOWNLOADING something! I did the preinstall a month or so ago. Steams been running most times since then. Today I've punched in my CC ($64 australian for HL2 and Counterstrike Source) and it's doing some download that looks like it's going to take 2 hours on my 1.5Mbps connection! AARRRRGGGG!
Reading these 'hard to jump' comments, I just can't relate. MP is one recent-ish game where I was never frustrated by unnecessarily difficult jumping. COnversly, I'm playing HALO this week (because I didn't really get into it originally so am playing it now to justify buying HALO 2!) and the thing that is driving me up the wall is the jumping! I'm having to take 5 or 6 attempts to get onto things which I don't even think the game designers intended to be a challenge. It's hard to judge and frustrating. MP on the other hand is acurate and easy - the control scheme is great IMHO.
You posted anonymously for good reason - you're talking crap
I do remember NW3 as I learned on 3.11 and then onto 3.12. There was still NW2 around for me to deal with.
I was going to write in my post that Novell were pretty arrogant, but I don't feel that's the reason they lost the market (unless that was the reason they didn't feel the need to communicate their strengths to the right people, however I think it was just the start of an ongoing mistake).
As for thinking it's impressive to dump IPX - no, I don't think that and didn't say I did. But the point is I could dump it because I had no need for it. And Novell clearly had engineered NetWare to let me so it's fair to say they didn't cling to IPX to the death - they were saying it was going over 7 years ago
And remeber, IP wasn't always the be all and end all of protocol suites. It was perfectly valid to push an alternative prior to the mass market Internet days.
As for fear and hatred for early versions of NDS, I certinaly didn't fear it and certinaly didn't hate it. While 4.10 was my earliest taste of NDS and I felt I'd tasted the future, it really started bringing things together. If you hated/feared it, well - not much I can say! I didn't decide to try it in the very initial release.
although, in that case, Novell hastened their own doom by refusing to acknowledge that IPX was doomed and TCP/IP was the wave of the future.
Interesting post, but I don't agree that IPX was the cause of Novells loss of market share. I was able to dump IPX on my NetWare networks in late 98 and early 99. Before that we did use IP and route it on our NetWare boxes. And when Novell dumped it, they dumped it - no encapsulating their old protoculs in tcp/ip as Windows did (does?).
NetWare (and all the benefits of NDS that came with it) remained a better product for all but those who wanted a combined workstation/server or something that you could run end user utilities on. Novell lost mind share by not recognising that good engineering alone doesn't make you sucessful - no matter how strong a position you start with.
The world changed, IT departments dumbed down as Windows PC users came out of school (I'm one of that vintage - only 30 y/o now). Marketing was king and you rebooted things, not fix them. Bad server performance is solved with a faster cpu, not faster code. Windows fitted perfectly into this world with a glossy veneer that the decision makers love.
And [from memory and by RTFA] Novells basic argument is that MS witheld critical information about the Windows API which meant WP hadn't a chance to be a decent program compared to Word without using undocumented features/bugs. Word on the other hand had a leg up using inside information about how Windows works / is best used.
It is a bit of a grey area, but I think the fact that MSs Office and Windows divisions were told to keep some distance from each other a few years back is relevant. Ie, the Office team aren't to be given preferential treatment and knowledge over 3rd parties.
Conversly, I installed Firefox on a colleagues PC this afternoon after reading some of this thread. He was amazed that there WERE other browsers. On his way home he told me how much he liked it and is going home to remove IE and move to FF. (goog luck with that, but his intention is there!).
Many people are objective about it - but some just love being MS users. That's what it boils down to.
(Novell services, GroupWise, eDirectory, etc, etc, OR the SUSE Linux services, postfix, apache, use yast and all that).
We're both correcting the parent post, but I'll just tighen up your response:
(Novell services, GroupWise, eDirectory, etc, etc, AND the SUSE Linux services, postfix, apache, use yast and all that).
The key change being "AND". There is no restriction on using both the traditional Linux services and the Novell offerings. The kernel is regular SuSe Linux, everything else works be it from Novell or all the SuSE stuff.
well, no.. Novell Open Enterprise Server != Linux. It's primarily Netware, with bits of Linux thrown in
Rubbish.
Novell OES will be whichever you want it to be. If you have legacy (Netware-wise..) apps which need the Netware kernel, then you can opt to use it. But for everone else you will be Linux 100%. On top of that Novell add the all important eDir, iManage, i Folder etc, file and print services, GroupWise, ZEN stuff and so on plus many otehr things.
So basically the aim is to offer the same as NetWare did, plus more but 100% on Linux.
I think it's agreat plan - an easy migration route and doesn't dump anyone who isn't rerady to move but likes keeping up.
Hang on then, while we are at it - a FOUR button WHEEL mouse works fine too.
I have an MS Explorer and it automatically has the side buttons doing the 'back and forwards' thing in Firefox. And the wheel works.
The Compaqs and Dells at work didn't come with 4 mouse buttons - I don't see people complain about that - they toss it out and buy the mouse they like.
I know this isn't news to any Mac users but seemingly a great many Windows users just can't get over that you aren't forced to use the Apple mouse. I will add however, that the current Apple mouse is GREAT to use and somehow feels much more accurate than my MS Explorer.
I have the ZX81, the speccy 48k (2 actually), the BBC B, Master and compact all taking up space in my tiny appartment. Oh - and the C64s, the C16, the CPC646, ST, A1200, A500, A1000, Mac classic & TRS-80.
And my only 'original' vintage machine - the Vic-20 which was my 7th birthday present and first computer.
I'm getting the speccy out today - it's much nicer than an emulator for a bit of Dizzy!
Well, hang on - have you actually raised this with Apple / eMagic?
I have Logic 5 out of the Big Box - yes, that cheap bundle from 3 or 4 years ago.
It came with lots of cool options, including EXSP24.
It came with an XSKey (the licence key) and codes for everything on both Windows and Mac OS 9. I used it on Windows until recently I got a new PowerBook.
So I have a look online. There is an OSX vesion of 5.5.1 which had come out well after I bought my BigBox. FREE to download. But wait - EXSP24 doesn't work - it is OS9 only.
So I email eMagic. 4 days later a package arrives..free of charge from Europe to Australia. A new OSX version of EXSP24 and everything all upto date.
That's incredible customer service to somone who bought the el-cheapo version years ago. I can't really imagine they will really dump on a recent V6 purchaser given what they are still doing for V5.
Mate, I don't even *HAVE* IE and I use GMail. Firefox and Safari (depending on which machine I'm at) and I haven't had a problem yet...even before they officially supported Safari.
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Your statement is 100% incorrect.
I know at least one corporation using a version which was FTP'd - mine.
Next you will be suggesting that no company has Windows without a service contract, or that everyone wants one. Many people are happy to look after things themselves, althought in the MS world we NEED the frequent fixes, only because there are so many things NEEDING fixing.
And yes, plenty of Northern Irish would say their nationality is British. And no, it wouldn't be strictly split on religigious grounds. Your nationality, at the end of the day, is the passport you carry and in N.Ireland that is pretty much British.
I pstopped reading at that point. I think it was another article written from the authors general knowledge of the platforms. Ie, he's glanced at a Mac and knows that they include 'iMovie' and 'iDVD'
We mainly identified that nothing we had would be affected, including the 1994 486PCs that we had at 200 desks.
We got our core application vendor to review their product (it was a fairly obscure vertical app) and so on. Basically, we took pretty reasonable steps and decided we knew where we stood.....until 18 months later when the hysteria hit. All of a sudden we had 3 full time analysts from Unisys (of all people), a project manager and other 'by the hour' consusltants as Unisys deemed necessary.
The analysts were really just backpackers in suits and carried out various tasks: Printing rubbish to file, reading pornography (really!) and keeping upto date on the UK soccer scene.
No expense was wasted. We bought multiple $30k servers to test on so that they were similar to what we had in production. Flights anywhere and anytime to LOOK at another site (which were all identical to HO). Hell, I chucked in the 'need' for replacing every single PC + 10 or so new ProLiants once I saw the new form.
We were a company that took 9 months to approve a $15k core server upgrade only 18 month prior. I have no idea the eventual cost but it was 50k here, 50k there + the ongoing 5 or 6k a day in consultants.
After 20-odd years in business, the company went into administration in 2001. Sadly, It didn't recover.
By the way, the Y2K teams final conclusion? "All clear". We didn't have a single genuine action point which didn't involve putting stickers on items and writing to busniess partners to say we take the thing seriously.
I still have my Y2K folder from 97. It said the same thing without the stickers and was a hell of a lot cheaper.
I doubt it, but I can't see the connection between torrent use and violent crime. What is your point?
WHAT? In 1994 MS was still the OS that the 'geeks' were praying wouldn't continue to rise. Geeks had their Unix on Suns, HPs, DECs...even the good old Amiga and of course Linux. I recall the 'DOS' and 'Windows' users from that time and they were *NOT* geeks. They were ultra-conservatives afraid not to fit in or be part of mainstream computing. They were the ones that didn't need to enter into discussions on other platforms because a) they were using Microsoft products and b) The loved Microsoft. If anything, it's more geeky now as 2k and xp aren't quite so pathetic as earlier versions.
Admin:
I could go on, but I'll do a few user ones .
In any case above where you might think 'HE DOESN"T KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING - OUTLOOK/EXCHANGE CAN DO THAT!" I'd respond that I never had to make any effort to learn GroupWise and got nothing but perfect results. I'm now managing dedicated MCSE staff who tell me 'you can't do that' and I have to trust them. I usually am sceptical and get onto the technet forums - they then tell me the same. So If YOU know how to do it, you're in a minority - and that is the crux of my complaint with Exchange etc. It does a job badly and unintuitivly.
Now, don't get me started about address book import/export on Exchange 2000..
98%? Novell GroupWise has significant *useful* features which Outlook simply can't touch. Novell GroupWise is a significantly better product to administer AND use.
Another poster reckons your name means 'shit' in finland. In any language I reckon what you are saying is shit. 'WIN' is a regional station which I have only seen on occasions I'm out in Bathurst or other 'arse ends of nowhere'. Given that I spend a lot of time in all the capital cities of a county of 18 million, for you to suggest 'WIN' has 7 million viewers is...well...finish :)
Anyway, after buying and unlocking and then this extra download (it downloaded slightly quicker than the estimate) I've been absolutly stunned by the game so far - it's definatly the best FPS since....Half Life! The initial 'insertion' just set the mood in a way I simply haven't felt before.
I'm still DOWNLOADING something! I did the preinstall a month or so ago. Steams been running most times since then. Today I've punched in my CC ($64 australian for HL2 and Counterstrike Source) and it's doing some download that looks like it's going to take 2 hours on my 1.5Mbps connection! AARRRRGGGG!
Reading these 'hard to jump' comments, I just can't relate. MP is one recent-ish game where I was never frustrated by unnecessarily difficult jumping. COnversly, I'm playing HALO this week (because I didn't really get into it originally so am playing it now to justify buying HALO 2!) and the thing that is driving me up the wall is the jumping! I'm having to take 5 or 6 attempts to get onto things which I don't even think the game designers intended to be a challenge. It's hard to judge and frustrating. MP on the other hand is acurate and easy - the control scheme is great IMHO.
I do remember NW3 as I learned on 3.11 and then onto 3.12. There was still NW2 around for me to deal with.
I was going to write in my post that Novell were pretty arrogant, but I don't feel that's the reason they lost the market (unless that was the reason they didn't feel the need to communicate their strengths to the right people, however I think it was just the start of an ongoing mistake).
As for thinking it's impressive to dump IPX - no, I don't think that and didn't say I did. But the point is I could dump it because I had no need for it. And Novell clearly had engineered NetWare to let me so it's fair to say they didn't cling to IPX to the death - they were saying it was going over 7 years ago
And remeber, IP wasn't always the be all and end all of protocol suites. It was perfectly valid to push an alternative prior to the mass market Internet days.
As for fear and hatred for early versions of NDS, I certinaly didn't fear it and certinaly didn't hate it. While 4.10 was my earliest taste of NDS and I felt I'd tasted the future, it really started bringing things together. If you hated/feared it, well - not much I can say! I didn't decide to try it in the very initial release.
No - apparently you don't. I'm not going to start explaining it here because, frankly, if you give it any thought it should be apparent.
Interesting post, but I don't agree that IPX was the cause of Novells loss of market share. I was able to dump IPX on my NetWare networks in late 98 and early 99. Before that we did use IP and route it on our NetWare boxes. And when Novell dumped it, they dumped it - no encapsulating their old protoculs in tcp/ip as Windows did (does?).
NetWare (and all the benefits of NDS that came with it) remained a better product for all but those who wanted a combined workstation/server or something that you could run end user utilities on. Novell lost mind share by not recognising that good engineering alone doesn't make you sucessful - no matter how strong a position you start with.
The world changed, IT departments dumbed down as Windows PC users came out of school (I'm one of that vintage - only 30 y/o now). Marketing was king and you rebooted things, not fix them. Bad server performance is solved with a faster cpu, not faster code. Windows fitted perfectly into this world with a glossy veneer that the decision makers love.
It is a bit of a grey area, but I think the fact that MSs Office and Windows divisions were told to keep some distance from each other a few years back is relevant. Ie, the Office team aren't to be given preferential treatment and knowledge over 3rd parties.
Conversly, I installed Firefox on a colleagues PC this afternoon after reading some of this thread. He was amazed that there WERE other browsers. On his way home he told me how much he liked it and is going home to remove IE and move to FF. (goog luck with that, but his intention is there!). Many people are objective about it - but some just love being MS users. That's what it boils down to.
"Some talk the talk, but can they talk the walk?"
Now - is it ME who has it wrong when I think the expression is "talk the talk, walk the walk"?
It wasn't lost on me that "talk the walk" was likely more acurate for MS, but I doubt that's what he was trying to convey!
We're both correcting the parent post, but I'll just tighen up your response:
(Novell services, GroupWise, eDirectory, etc, etc, AND the SUSE Linux services, postfix, apache, use yast and all that).
The key change being "AND". There is no restriction on using both the traditional Linux services and the Novell offerings. The kernel is regular SuSe Linux, everything else works be it from Novell or all the SuSE stuff.
Rubbish. Novell OES will be whichever you want it to be. If you have legacy (Netware-wise..) apps which need the Netware kernel, then you can opt to use it. But for everone else you will be Linux 100%. On top of that Novell add the all important eDir, iManage, i Folder etc, file and print services, GroupWise, ZEN stuff and so on plus many otehr things.
So basically the aim is to offer the same as NetWare did, plus more but 100% on Linux.
I think it's agreat plan - an easy migration route and doesn't dump anyone who isn't rerady to move but likes keeping up.
I hope that day never comes. Our HR dept has very strict anti-pr0n policies.
I have an MS Explorer and it automatically has the side buttons doing the 'back and forwards' thing in Firefox. And the wheel works.
The Compaqs and Dells at work didn't come with 4 mouse buttons - I don't see people complain about that - they toss it out and buy the mouse they like.
I know this isn't news to any Mac users but seemingly a great many Windows users just can't get over that you aren't forced to use the Apple mouse. I will add however, that the current Apple mouse is GREAT to use and somehow feels much more accurate than my MS Explorer.
I have the ZX81, the speccy 48k (2 actually), the BBC B, Master and compact all taking up space in my tiny appartment. Oh - and the C64s, the C16, the CPC646, ST, A1200, A500, A1000, Mac classic & TRS-80.
And my only 'original' vintage machine - the Vic-20 which was my 7th birthday present and first computer.
I'm getting the speccy out today - it's much nicer than an emulator for a bit of Dizzy!
I have Logic 5 out of the Big Box - yes, that cheap bundle from 3 or 4 years ago.
It came with lots of cool options, including EXSP24.
It came with an XSKey (the licence key) and codes for everything on both Windows and Mac OS 9. I used it on Windows until recently I got a new PowerBook.
So I have a look online. There is an OSX vesion of 5.5.1 which had come out well after I bought my BigBox. FREE to download. But wait - EXSP24 doesn't work - it is OS9 only.
So I email eMagic. 4 days later a package arrives..free of charge from Europe to Australia. A new OSX version of EXSP24 and everything all upto date.
That's incredible customer service to somone who bought the el-cheapo version years ago. I can't really imagine they will really dump on a recent V6 purchaser given what they are still doing for V5.
IE only is the *last* think Google would do.