"Then again, developers may be happy that they don't have to spend upwards of $50 million just to get a game out the door because Nintendo is forcing them to make sure it works in SD, 480p, 720p, 1080i, and maybe 1080p."
But they're spending that money anyways to get the game to also run on the 360 and PS3. Honestly, the best thing I can see about the Wii is that the new controller will force 3rd party developers to actually think about the port to Wii instead of it just being an afterthought. For example, EA is already talking about what features they can put into the Wii Madden 07. They're not just dumping what they have to console X like they do for every other console. They're actually thinking about how to make the game better using the Wiimote.
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A "slur" of other options? Like wop or greaser or kike?
A "highbrow" game may not have the lasting power of a piece of classical music. Furthermore, can a game not be highbrow but still have longevity? I'd argue that Ms. Pacman will have longevity. I'd wager that 200 years from now, there will be as many Ms Pacman fans as there are currently fans of any popular piece of classical music. Is Ms. Pacman highbrow? Hardly.
Bomberman 64 is the devil. Bomberman and 3D don't mix. Bomberman 64's multiplayer was such a good idea that they don't make 3D multiplayer Bomberman anymore (Generations and Jetters were both 3D single and 2D multi). Satrun Bomberman is the best Bomberman game ever made. It's a shame hardly anyone ever got the chance to play it thanks to its platform and on top of that few people had two multitaps to witness Saturn Bomberman in all its 10 player glory.
"So unless you're referring to the west coast of Ohio, your terminology is terribly wrong."
No more wrong than the Atlanta Falcons spending years in the NFC West while the Arizona Cardinals were in the NFC East. Terminology gets butchered quite often in the NFL. It seems like you would be used to it by now.
The offense that Don Coryell used was referred to as "Air Coryell." The term West Coast Offense didn't come until much later. It was a term originally intended to refer to the Coryell offense but due to the similarities 80's 49ers strategy got the name instead and it stuck. And for what it's worth, there's not a whole lot of difference between the Air Coryell offense and the 49ers West Coast offense. However, when you say West Coast Offense, anyone who isn't a Chargers fan is going to identify with Walsh's 49ers.
"but they can't even master the difference between an end-around, a reverse, and a double reverse."
And those are clearly defined terms. West Coast Offense has always been a nebulous term, even amongst NFL coaches and analysts.
"one of the huge reasons that it works - googles hiring practices."
Exactly. To take a sports example, look at the West Coast offense in American football. Sure it worked great for San Francisco in the 80's. They had Montana, Rice, Craig, and a stout offensive line. Just about any offensive scheme would've worked for them. For the Lions, West Coast Offense never did work out quite right when the Mooch went there. They utterly lack the personnel. Google is picking up the personnel who will thrive in their environment.
I'm not even sure I agree that it's different from Passport from the user's perspective. You still have to join and sign in to PrefPass to use it. And then from the site's perspective, it looks like you'll get less info than you get from Passport. Sounds like a situation that benefits noone and hurts the ones who pay the bills for PrefPass.
"The "integration into the OS" is that Internet Explorer is tied to Explorer, the Windows Shell."
Which is part of the window manager which according to this image from microsoft.com has been run in kernel mode since NT 4.0 (Article ref). If that weren't the case, then Explorer could not hang the window manager (which it sometimes does).
"Yes there are people who will pay that much, there are people who pay tens of thousands of dollars for a watch or hundreds of thousands of dollars for a car."
Right. So what better way to get everyone's business than to price the PS3 rather high at launch to get the folks who will shell out any price and then come down on that price later to get everyone else? How much were people paying for 360s and PS2s on eBay at launch? Sony might as well price high enough that they get that money instead of some store clerk with better access to the inventory than most folks. They can come down in price later when they actually have more consoles produced. Besides, if BluRay really does catch on and gets mass produced in DVD-level numbers, the console manufacturing price will drop sharply. That's an awfully big if but it's an if Sony has bet their console's success or failure on.
From what I understand, being embedded into the OS is not a matter of shared libraries in this case. Some of the IE code is actaully running in kernel mode. The Konqueror broswer runs entirely in user mode from what I understand. Konqueror does call external libraries and those external libraries may enter kernel mode for a few well-defined tasks, but nothing on the level of what IE does if what I've read about IE's internals is true.
Of course gamers picked rumble. They know rumble. The only motion detection most of them know anything about are largely failed attempts. U-Force or Power Glove anyone? And while rumble is one of those things that's good when used right and terrible when used wrong, most developers tend to get it right. What I don't get is why motion detection comes at the cost of rumble. They're treating this like an either/or situation when I'd imagine someone could engineer a method to do both if Sony were so inclined.
Just like you couldn't roll out your own game console back in the 80's and refer to it as a Nintendo, you can't refer to your own webcast as a podcast, generic or not. Other people are free to call it that just like people call tissue Kleenex, video game consoles Nintendos, and even Pepsi Coke in some parts of the country.
Just because the 360's wireless costs $50 doesn't mean we have to be happy about paying $60 for a Wii controller. If anything keeps me from wanting to buy this console at launch, it will be waiting until the controller gets cheaper. You can be happy about paying $50 for a wireless glorified Sidewinder if you want. I'll be happy when I can get a Wii controller and nunchuck for $35-$40. Wii Sports looks like it would be rather dull as a 1 player set of games but $60 is a lot.
I just hope I can walk into WalMart or Target on launch day and pick one up. With the Wii controller being a newish piece of hardware, I'm not buying a Wii anywhere that I can't box it up and take it back no questions asked if I don't like it. The controller may not work well or may just not be my cup of tea. After the PSP dead pixel policy, I'm not buying any new hardware from Gamestop/EB again. I'd hate to see some 45 degree motion rule for a flaky Wii controller.
Like Sci-Fi movies? So the future will be filled by potentially good plots absolutely marred by incompotent acting and low production budgets? Wow, I can hardly wait.
"Mind you that I'm speaking of "OS" in today's common terms, which includes the desktop and file manager and such;"
(For the purposes of remaining clear, I will refer to my OS definition as the core OS and your OS definition as the Extended OS.)
Parts of the extended OS like WMP or even Windows Explorer can be replaced. They're not neccessary to the operation of the system. It is entirely possible to develop replacements. The same is not usually true of the core OS. The original argument was that in order to get better Extended OS functionalitly people are going to change their Core OS. This is probably not going to happen.
Perhaps a clearer statement would have been "This is not a kernel issue. Please do not make it one." However, I do not think my original statement was incorrect since the definition of OS I used is perfectly valid. Most texts dealing specifically with operating systems would be inclined to lean towards the core OS definition over the extended but I do understand going with the extended OS definition since the extended elements are so intertwined (especially in Windows).
The UI gives you a list of options nowadays. I can't remember the exact options for an Audio CD by default. I do know that the list of options is related to the programs that are associated with what the device is trying to do. For example, if you install WinAmp, playing the audio files in WinAmp becomes one of your options. It also gives you the option to "Always do X" if you don't want to be bothered with the list.
"In effect, if Windows by default presumes WMP to be there and offloads functionality to it, then WMP issues are Windows issues."
Huh? How is a file manager associating file types with programs part of the OS?
"Yes it is. Ripping a CD, in it's purest form, is just disk I/O, which is most definitely an OS function,"
Look at the context. I know it's not a technically correct definition but in this case ripping a CD is referring to taking the data from a CD and converting that data into an encoded file format. That context was set by the article summary and that's the one I'm using. It's pretty easy to follow though despite not being the annotated definition of ripping CDs (if there really is one).
"but that shouldn't be the only, or even the default (i.e. built into the OS), way of getting music tracks off a disc."
And in this case it's not. You could always make a disc image of the CD. I don't know if there's a program automatically installed in the OS distribution that allows for this but the libraries to do so are installed by default. The process in question here is the addition of DRM to the audio file as part of the incorrectly named CD rip. As of the current version of Windows, that is most certainly not an OS issue.
"because I've been needing to get more RAM for my PC"
You're lucky you only need more RAM. Quicktime is a bloated piece of turd on my PIII 450MHz computer with 256MB of RAM and a Radeon TV Out card hooked up to my television. I can play DVDs and most divx encoded videos just fine with this setup but Quicktime videos are terrible.
"What happens when MP3s shared via normal file sharing get DRM wrapped on them, like Zune does?"
I know we sometimes question what the defenintion of "is" is but I tend to stick with using it for the present tense 3rd person form of be. Ripping CDs "is" not an OS issue. It can become one I'm sure but in the context of this discussion, switching from the current Windows OSes just because the CD ripper that came bundled in with said Windows OS doesn't do what you want it to do would be most foolish unless that were the only reason you used that computer. Furthermore, due to the myriad of options available in the realm of CD rippers for Windows, it wouldn't be much of an issue if the only thing you did with the computer was ripping CDs.
If someone has an axe to grind with Microsoft's OS, there are plenty of good arguments to be made. This is not one of them. This is a blind Linux zealot thinking that the behavior of WMP is somehow going to influence OS installation and I'm calling them out on it. If/when Vista implements some of the DRM mentioned in the parent's sibling's post, then it could be an OS issue.
Yeah because instead of downloading one of the myriad of other Windows software programs that rip CDs to DRMless formats, I'm going to switch operating systems instead. Ripping CDs is not an OS issue. Please don't try to make it one.
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"Then again, developers may be happy that they don't have to spend upwards of $50 million just to get a game out the door because Nintendo is forcing them to make sure it works in SD, 480p, 720p, 1080i, and maybe 1080p."
But they're spending that money anyways to get the game to also run on the 360 and PS3. Honestly, the best thing I can see about the Wii is that the new controller will force 3rd party developers to actually think about the port to Wii instead of it just being an afterthought. For example, EA is already talking about what features they can put into the Wii Madden 07. They're not just dumping what they have to console X like they do for every other console. They're actually thinking about how to make the game better using the Wiimote.
A "slur" of other options? Like wop or greaser or kike?
It's that band where they are upfront about talking all the time instead of pretending to be a music station and then talking all the time.
A "highbrow" game may not have the lasting power of a piece of classical music. Furthermore, can a game not be highbrow but still have longevity? I'd argue that Ms. Pacman will have longevity. I'd wager that 200 years from now, there will be as many Ms Pacman fans as there are currently fans of any popular piece of classical music. Is Ms. Pacman highbrow? Hardly.
Intelligent String Design is also not taken.
Bomberman 64 is the devil. Bomberman and 3D don't mix. Bomberman 64's multiplayer was such a good idea that they don't make 3D multiplayer Bomberman anymore (Generations and Jetters were both 3D single and 2D multi). Satrun Bomberman is the best Bomberman game ever made. It's a shame hardly anyone ever got the chance to play it thanks to its platform and on top of that few people had two multitaps to witness Saturn Bomberman in all its 10 player glory.
"So unless you're referring to the west coast of Ohio, your terminology is terribly wrong."
No more wrong than the Atlanta Falcons spending years in the NFC West while the Arizona Cardinals were in the NFC East. Terminology gets butchered quite often in the NFL. It seems like you would be used to it by now.
The offense that Don Coryell used was referred to as "Air Coryell." The term West Coast Offense didn't come until much later. It was a term originally intended to refer to the Coryell offense but due to the similarities 80's 49ers strategy got the name instead and it stuck. And for what it's worth, there's not a whole lot of difference between the Air Coryell offense and the 49ers West Coast offense. However, when you say West Coast Offense, anyone who isn't a Chargers fan is going to identify with Walsh's 49ers.
"but they can't even master the difference between an end-around, a reverse, and a double reverse."
And those are clearly defined terms. West Coast Offense has always been a nebulous term, even amongst NFL coaches and analysts.
"one of the huge reasons that it works - googles hiring practices."
Exactly. To take a sports example, look at the West Coast offense in American football. Sure it worked great for San Francisco in the 80's. They had Montana, Rice, Craig, and a stout offensive line. Just about any offensive scheme would've worked for them. For the Lions, West Coast Offense never did work out quite right when the Mooch went there. They utterly lack the personnel. Google is picking up the personnel who will thrive in their environment.
I'm not even sure I agree that it's different from Passport from the user's perspective. You still have to join and sign in to PrefPass to use it. And then from the site's perspective, it looks like you'll get less info than you get from Passport. Sounds like a situation that benefits noone and hurts the ones who pay the bills for PrefPass.
"The "integration into the OS" is that Internet Explorer is tied to Explorer, the Windows Shell."
Which is part of the window manager which according to this image from microsoft.com has been run in kernel mode since NT 4.0 (Article ref). If that weren't the case, then Explorer could not hang the window manager (which it sometimes does).
"Yes there are people who will pay that much, there are people who pay tens of thousands of dollars for a watch or hundreds of thousands of dollars for a car."
Right. So what better way to get everyone's business than to price the PS3 rather high at launch to get the folks who will shell out any price and then come down on that price later to get everyone else? How much were people paying for 360s and PS2s on eBay at launch? Sony might as well price high enough that they get that money instead of some store clerk with better access to the inventory than most folks. They can come down in price later when they actually have more consoles produced. Besides, if BluRay really does catch on and gets mass produced in DVD-level numbers, the console manufacturing price will drop sharply. That's an awfully big if but it's an if Sony has bet their console's success or failure on.
From what I understand, being embedded into the OS is not a matter of shared libraries in this case. Some of the IE code is actaully running in kernel mode. The Konqueror broswer runs entirely in user mode from what I understand. Konqueror does call external libraries and those external libraries may enter kernel mode for a few well-defined tasks, but nothing on the level of what IE does if what I've read about IE's internals is true.
In what games is rumble required and in what way is it required? Not that I don't believe you but I've never run across such a beast.
Of course gamers picked rumble. They know rumble. The only motion detection most of them know anything about are largely failed attempts. U-Force or Power Glove anyone? And while rumble is one of those things that's good when used right and terrible when used wrong, most developers tend to get it right. What I don't get is why motion detection comes at the cost of rumble. They're treating this like an either/or situation when I'd imagine someone could engineer a method to do both if Sony were so inclined.
Just like you couldn't roll out your own game console back in the 80's and refer to it as a Nintendo, you can't refer to your own webcast as a podcast, generic or not. Other people are free to call it that just like people call tissue Kleenex, video game consoles Nintendos, and even Pepsi Coke in some parts of the country.
Just because the 360's wireless costs $50 doesn't mean we have to be happy about paying $60 for a Wii controller. If anything keeps me from wanting to buy this console at launch, it will be waiting until the controller gets cheaper. You can be happy about paying $50 for a wireless glorified Sidewinder if you want. I'll be happy when I can get a Wii controller and nunchuck for $35-$40. Wii Sports looks like it would be rather dull as a 1 player set of games but $60 is a lot.
I just hope I can walk into WalMart or Target on launch day and pick one up. With the Wii controller being a newish piece of hardware, I'm not buying a Wii anywhere that I can't box it up and take it back no questions asked if I don't like it. The controller may not work well or may just not be my cup of tea. After the PSP dead pixel policy, I'm not buying any new hardware from Gamestop/EB again. I'd hate to see some 45 degree motion rule for a flaky Wii controller.
Like Sci-Fi movies? So the future will be filled by potentially good plots absolutely marred by incompotent acting and low production budgets? Wow, I can hardly wait.
"Mind you that I'm speaking of "OS" in today's common terms, which includes the desktop and file manager and such;"
(For the purposes of remaining clear, I will refer to my OS definition as the core OS and your OS definition as the Extended OS.)
Parts of the extended OS like WMP or even Windows Explorer can be replaced. They're not neccessary to the operation of the system. It is entirely possible to develop replacements. The same is not usually true of the core OS. The original argument was that in order to get better Extended OS functionalitly people are going to change their Core OS. This is probably not going to happen.
Perhaps a clearer statement would have been "This is not a kernel issue. Please do not make it one." However, I do not think my original statement was incorrect since the definition of OS I used is perfectly valid. Most texts dealing specifically with operating systems would be inclined to lean towards the core OS definition over the extended but I do understand going with the extended OS definition since the extended elements are so intertwined (especially in Windows).
The UI gives you a list of options nowadays. I can't remember the exact options for an Audio CD by default. I do know that the list of options is related to the programs that are associated with what the device is trying to do. For example, if you install WinAmp, playing the audio files in WinAmp becomes one of your options. It also gives you the option to "Always do X" if you don't want to be bothered with the list.
"In effect, if Windows by default presumes WMP to be there and offloads functionality to it, then WMP issues are Windows issues."
Huh? How is a file manager associating file types with programs part of the OS?
"Yes it is. Ripping a CD, in it's purest form, is just disk I/O, which is most definitely an OS function,"
Look at the context. I know it's not a technically correct definition but in this case ripping a CD is referring to taking the data from a CD and converting that data into an encoded file format. That context was set by the article summary and that's the one I'm using. It's pretty easy to follow though despite not being the annotated definition of ripping CDs (if there really is one).
"but that shouldn't be the only, or even the default (i.e. built into the OS), way of getting music tracks off a disc."
And in this case it's not. You could always make a disc image of the CD. I don't know if there's a program automatically installed in the OS distribution that allows for this but the libraries to do so are installed by default. The process in question here is the addition of DRM to the audio file as part of the incorrectly named CD rip. As of the current version of Windows, that is most certainly not an OS issue.
"because I've been needing to get more RAM for my PC"
You're lucky you only need more RAM. Quicktime is a bloated piece of turd on my PIII 450MHz computer with 256MB of RAM and a Radeon TV Out card hooked up to my television. I can play DVDs and most divx encoded videos just fine with this setup but Quicktime videos are terrible.
"What happens when MP3s shared via normal file sharing get DRM wrapped on them, like Zune does?"
I know we sometimes question what the defenintion of "is" is but I tend to stick with using it for the present tense 3rd person form of be. Ripping CDs "is" not an OS issue. It can become one I'm sure but in the context of this discussion, switching from the current Windows OSes just because the CD ripper that came bundled in with said Windows OS doesn't do what you want it to do would be most foolish unless that were the only reason you used that computer. Furthermore, due to the myriad of options available in the realm of CD rippers for Windows, it wouldn't be much of an issue if the only thing you did with the computer was ripping CDs.
If someone has an axe to grind with Microsoft's OS, there are plenty of good arguments to be made. This is not one of them. This is a blind Linux zealot thinking that the behavior of WMP is somehow going to influence OS installation and I'm calling them out on it. If/when Vista implements some of the DRM mentioned in the parent's sibling's post, then it could be an OS issue.
Yeah because instead of downloading one of the myriad of other Windows software programs that rip CDs to DRMless formats, I'm going to switch operating systems instead. Ripping CDs is not an OS issue. Please don't try to make it one.
I'll take a CGI chop job over the Spock Market any day.