To the grandparent, perhaps you should stop telling us to "open our minds" as if we haven't considered what you're saying and rejected it with intelligent thought? True state democracy is also a very valid alternative to the electoral college.
The idea of weighting a person's vote based on his geographical location is outdated. Saying a person in a small state would have no influence on the vote is the same as saying that you have no influence on the vote of your state's elector. Personally I hold no affinity to my state, and I would rather we had a *fair* voting system set up (weighting and instant run offs included).
Is it that hard, really? Do you imply that Mono knows more about the "core of the system" of my FreeBSD box than GCC? I hope not, because I never endorsed Java.
Also, why don't you research scripting language bindings to low level programming languages before posting about them? And hey guess what, Ruby isn't well known or supported as of now, but you know little things like C++ bindings can be.. oh holy crap... coded? is that the word? I think so.
I dont like langs/platform that tell me what I can and cannot do.
I don't like verbosity.
I don't like pseudo-open languages with small legal catches which could open up lawsuits against other implementations down the road.
I don't like stupid zealot followers who think anyone who opposes their Best Language Ever is an idiot.
I don't think it's needed - we have java for huge enterprise application frameworks, python/ruby for fast scalable apps, C/C++ for system programming, CLISP/Haskell/etc. for everything in general. What does.NET do for me, besides tie me to a vendor and reinvent the wheel? Why should I waste my cycles? (if I wanted to hear a JIT-is-faster-than-asm argument, I would have visited a.NET site!) If I need an interpreted language, I'd go use Ruby, or god forbid Java!
Are we done having our trollfest yet?
Idiot. Try posting on topic, or wait for the next ".NET == Ubar! C# 4 T3h Win!" post.
I don't see a point. I don't like.NET. If I did, I would see a point - that point would be that he's porting a language/platform I like to linux.
But he's not.
I should think that to be obvious?
Not necessarily true. As someone who lives in China, I can tell you that most of the horror stories people hear about the 'evil commies' are wildly out of context. And I easily roll my eyes at all the American's who run around talking about the "freedom" they have.
Granted that at higher levels of intellectual discourse regarding social and economic systems, you aren't more informed. But it's alot easier to identify the propaganda being fed down your throat in America if you weren't fed it from birth to current age.
I agree. Although I have very little experience with 3d editing programs, I've used lightwave exclusively before grabbing blender. I was unable to do anything without rolling my eyes, to be honest.
Naturally thats biased, as I didn't take the time to rtfm or even a tutorial, but still Open Source isn't always better. I'm interested in what serious 3d editors and designers and animators have to say about blender though.
Oh, and why was grandparent modded down? heaven forbid we make light conversation about the effectiveness of a tool thats headlined on slashdot...
Not really. From what i've seen (C++ only really), they have the word optimization routines of any compiler.
I agree though that VB is the best RAD language i've seen (though I hear good things about delphi as well).
The spirit of open source, not free software. They are attempting to fight fire with fire, and in the eyes of the common man they are. But this != "free" (libre).
Who said they were wanted *BSD for game-playing? For the "PC"-like activities that would normally require 'Windows Simple and Cut-back', there could instead be a 'Linux, Simple and Cut-back' which would serve its role much better - the open source community can also tone down their 'jumbo jet' as Microsoft can... who needs RAID or firewire support on a console?
If you want 'raw access to hardware' and to keep things 'lean and fast and mean', you will want BSD any day over Windows.
I have never given in to the whole console scam, because I saw it as just that: A way to make money.
Vendors could have standardized around some kind of well known architecture like i386 and made Stable-brand(tm) computers and achieved the same functionality as your ordinary console, but what profit is to be had in that? They want to sell exclusive titles on all the platforms, so you need a PC for work _and_ and 2-3 consoles for gaming.
It seems to me that this announcement is moving away from that trend. Wait, Microsoft doing a good thing?! (yes, I know its all about the money)
As much as I hate microsoft, I am in support of some kind of trendy standardization. If all consoles supported x86 machine code natively, we could all use our console of choice and play the same games - more choices, less money.
I'm not sure if you meant to be so blanketing in your post, but what about those of us overseas? I live in Hong Kong, and if you can show me any static ip provider anywhere under $1000 I'd be genuinely ecstatic. I really dont know why you automatically assume that it is "our" fault that "you" are getting spam, since its mostly the fault of zombies or those with public smtp relays. "we," those people without access to a static ip for 50$ really have no other convenient option for running an email service. Either the spam blocking needs to be strengthened, or something needs to be done to stop the zombies, but completely disabling mail servers is unfair and is not the only option, as you implied in your false dichotomy.
Yes, the red shift occurs because we detect a longer wavelength, since the object is moving away from us and so the wavelength appears to be 'streched' or longer (red is a low wavelength), just as the frequency appears to be lower. If the object had been moving towards us, the doppler effect would have shifted the wavelength up.
Sure it helps, but the question is to what degree. I could also assert that selling my bubble gum for fifty cents less than before has helped the average man pay his taxes, and that would be true. Not having any experience with India I can't speak to disclaim this article, but just because something is 'helpful' doesnt make it necessary, relevant, or worthy of publicity stunts by affiliated news organisations.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for Linux, but this kind of article makes the FOSS movement look a little self-righteous.
Yes but you speak from the wrong frame of reference: the cost may equate economically to a few bucks in USD, but often people in 3rd world countries have little to _no_ money. The cost of living in India, for example, is extremely low because money is hard to come by (not plurality of bills, but rather the amount of money in the hands of citizens), likewise for indonesia. Linux is supposedly offering a 'free lunch' option to these people who need all the free lunches they can get.
The important point here is whether or not enough people need or would use a computer, even were it incredibly cheap - for that answer turn to the article.
He actually has a point. Look at this this way: Suppose I the user actually *wanted* to see a particular popup (maybe a toolbar or something) when visiting company abc's website. So I of my own free volition download these products and am quite content having them transparently detect when i am at abc's website and appearing. Now all of a sudden abc sue's the code writers xyz for infringing their 'name'. Code writer xyz should have been in his legal to write that code, as it is meant to run on knowingly on a consumers personal computer.
The main difference between that analogy and this lawsuit is that L.L. Bean claims the spyware was unwillingly on the computers computer, and masquerading as advertisements from them. the crux here seems to be whether or not the user realizes the advertisements are from a different source, and its a point that needs to be made clear in the lawsuit, lest this case potentially be used later as precedence to sue some innocent FOSS developer making a viewbar for google.
Thats not true either. You can speak publicly about other brands so long as it is not or cannot be called libel. Using that brand name for profit, commercial use, or personal use is not your right, but talking about it in a public forum is. I can say "CNN has xxx viewers" in my ABC advertisement, as long as it is a correct fact, and i am not using it the name CNN to endorse or sell my product.
Any target area in the modern economy will have obvious rip-offs and clones. You can get Casio watches a dime a dozen of street vendors in New York. My point was merely that the sheer surplus of people who will buy from places like the Wan Chai Computer Centre presents a large target consumer-base, just as there is in many other countries. Hong Kong has alot of piracy running rampant, but do not discount the potential market held in southeast asia, as it is not an area completely full of poor pirates and triads like some reports would suggest.
The Chinese are evil? That implies that the entire race of human beings who scrape food off the ground are somehow inherently "evil".
As for the Chinese government vs. the American government, the similarities abound. One of the big hype words I hear alot coming from people describing China is "Communist." Although in practicality Communism (or Marxism) has nothing to do with popular opinion of Communism, the colloquial meaning of the word has come to be something like "Kills people for speaking out, is against 'freedom'".
I hate to break the news, but the USA has its fair share of anti-sedition laws, take the Patriot Act for example. It is currently legal for the US government to accuse someone of being a terrorist and lock them away without trial. (Communist "witch-hunt" trials in the 1940's anyone?) Who's to stop the government from saying comic books are a "terrorist-like" medium and banning them? Anyone protesting could be called 'unpatriotic' and thrown away.
To be honest, I am glad that China is developing into a new research/technology center. They have started to contest and challenge already implemented protocols/standards in America and Europe, and to that end I commend them. We shouldn't just write them off because they are "evil" because, folks, AMERICA also has its share of corruption. Modern-day capitalistic China is beginning to grow, and these new product lines and recent announcements are only the beginning of it.
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Agreed!
To the grandparent, perhaps you should stop telling us to "open our minds" as if we haven't considered what you're saying and rejected it with intelligent thought? True state democracy is also a very valid alternative to the electoral college.
The idea of weighting a person's vote based on his geographical location is outdated. Saying a person in a small state would have no influence on the vote is the same as saying that you have no influence on the vote of your state's elector. Personally I hold no affinity to my state, and I would rather we had a *fair* voting system set up (weighting and instant run offs included).
Is the battery life mentioned anywhere? If it is I missed it.
Systems programming with C++.
Web Programming with Ruby/Perl.
Is it that hard, really? Do you imply that Mono knows more about the "core of the system" of my FreeBSD box than GCC? I hope not, because I never endorsed Java.
Also, why don't you research scripting language bindings to low level programming languages before posting about them? And hey guess what, Ruby isn't well known or supported as of now, but you know little things like C++ bindings can be.. oh holy crap... coded? is that the word? I think so.
Firstly, good luck compiling Java and beating GCC at anything at all.
.NET/Mono *and* Java, so my opinion is moot here."
.NET for now, but Java was already around before .NET. I don't see a need for .NET with Java already here. Disagree? fine. lets disagree.
.NET.
Reading comprehension, read my original post.
Or I'll paste it here for you:
"That said, I hate
Java ~
Either way I can code circles around most of those programmers in perl, or pretty much any other web-capable language (not talking about C++ here).
Right tool for the right job. Problem is, I don't see a job for
That's my opinion. You can have yours.
I dont like langs/platform that tell me what I can and cannot do.
.NET do for me, besides tie me to a vendor and reinvent the wheel? Why should I waste my cycles? (if I wanted to hear a JIT-is-faster-than-asm argument, I would have visited a .NET site!) If I need an interpreted language, I'd go use Ruby, or god forbid Java!
I don't like verbosity.
I don't like pseudo-open languages with small legal catches which could open up lawsuits against other implementations down the road.
I don't like stupid zealot followers who think anyone who opposes their Best Language Ever is an idiot.
I don't think it's needed - we have java for huge enterprise application frameworks, python/ruby for fast scalable apps, C/C++ for system programming, CLISP/Haskell/etc. for everything in general. What does
Are we done having our trollfest yet?
Idiot. Try posting on topic, or wait for the next ".NET == Ubar! C# 4 T3h Win!" post.
That's off topic.
I don't see a point. I don't like .NET. If I did, I would see a point - that point would be that he's porting a language/platform I like to linux.
But he's not.
I should think that to be obvious?
Actually, I think that's the *point*. He isn't just blindly grabbing and/all APIs Microsoft decides to procure. He is questioning this for a reason.
.NET/Mono *and* Java, so my opinion is moot here.
That said, I hate
Yup. No afghani's being beaten up in America either. Do you know what context is?
Not necessarily true. As someone who lives in China, I can tell you that most of the horror stories people hear about the 'evil commies' are wildly out of context. And I easily roll my eyes at all the American's who run around talking about the "freedom" they have.
Granted that at higher levels of intellectual discourse regarding social and economic systems, you aren't more informed. But it's alot easier to identify the propaganda being fed down your throat in America if you weren't fed it from birth to current age.
I agree. Although I have very little experience with 3d editing programs, I've used lightwave exclusively before grabbing blender. I was unable to do anything without rolling my eyes, to be honest. Naturally thats biased, as I didn't take the time to rtfm or even a tutorial, but still Open Source isn't always better. I'm interested in what serious 3d editors and designers and animators have to say about blender though. Oh, and why was grandparent modded down? heaven forbid we make light conversation about the effectiveness of a tool thats headlined on slashdot...
Not really. From what i've seen (C++ only really), they have the word optimization routines of any compiler. I agree though that VB is the best RAD language i've seen (though I hear good things about delphi as well).
The spirit of open source, not free software. They are attempting to fight fire with fire, and in the eyes of the common man they are. But this != "free" (libre).
Who said they were wanted *BSD for game-playing? For the "PC"-like activities that would normally require 'Windows Simple and Cut-back', there could instead be a 'Linux, Simple and Cut-back' which would serve its role much better - the open source community can also tone down their 'jumbo jet' as Microsoft can... who needs RAID or firewire support on a console? If you want 'raw access to hardware' and to keep things 'lean and fast and mean', you will want BSD any day over Windows.
I have never given in to the whole console scam, because I saw it as just that: A way to make money.
Vendors could have standardized around some kind of well known architecture like i386 and made Stable-brand(tm) computers and achieved the same functionality as your ordinary console, but what profit is to be had in that? They want to sell exclusive titles on all the platforms, so you need a PC for work _and_ and 2-3 consoles for gaming.
It seems to me that this announcement is moving away from that trend. Wait, Microsoft doing a good thing?! (yes, I know its all about the money)
As much as I hate microsoft, I am in support of some kind of trendy standardization. If all consoles supported x86 machine code natively, we could all use our console of choice and play the same games - more choices, less money.
Now if only I could install FreeBSD on it...
I'm not sure if you meant to be so blanketing in your post, but what about those of us overseas? I live in Hong Kong, and if you can show me any static ip provider anywhere under $1000 I'd be genuinely ecstatic. I really dont know why you automatically assume that it is "our" fault that "you" are getting spam, since its mostly the fault of zombies or those with public smtp relays. "we," those people without access to a static ip for 50$ really have no other convenient option for running an email service. Either the spam blocking needs to be strengthened, or something needs to be done to stop the zombies, but completely disabling mail servers is unfair and is not the only option, as you implied in your false dichotomy.
Yes, the red shift occurs because we detect a longer wavelength, since the object is moving away from us and so the wavelength appears to be 'streched' or longer (red is a low wavelength), just as the frequency appears to be lower. If the object had been moving towards us, the doppler effect would have shifted the wavelength up.
I for one welcome our DRM overlords.
Sure it helps, but the question is to what degree. I could also assert that selling my bubble gum for fifty cents less than before has helped the average man pay his taxes, and that would be true. Not having any experience with India I can't speak to disclaim this article, but just because something is 'helpful' doesnt make it necessary, relevant, or worthy of publicity stunts by affiliated news organisations.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for Linux, but this kind of article makes the FOSS movement look a little self-righteous.
Yes but you speak from the wrong frame of reference: the cost may equate economically to a few bucks in USD, but often people in 3rd world countries have little to _no_ money. The cost of living in India, for example, is extremely low because money is hard to come by (not plurality of bills, but rather the amount of money in the hands of citizens), likewise for indonesia. Linux is supposedly offering a 'free lunch' option to these people who need all the free lunches they can get.
The important point here is whether or not enough people need or would use a computer, even were it incredibly cheap - for that answer turn to the article.
He actually has a point. Look at this this way: Suppose I the user actually *wanted* to see a particular popup (maybe a toolbar or something) when visiting company abc's website. So I of my own free volition download these products and am quite content having them transparently detect when i am at abc's website and appearing. Now all of a sudden abc sue's the code writers xyz for infringing their 'name'. Code writer xyz should have been in his legal to write that code, as it is meant to run on knowingly on a consumers personal computer.
The main difference between that analogy and this lawsuit is that L.L. Bean claims the spyware was unwillingly on the computers computer, and masquerading as advertisements from them. the crux here seems to be whether or not the user realizes the advertisements are from a different source, and its a point that needs to be made clear in the lawsuit, lest this case potentially be used later as precedence to sue some innocent FOSS developer making a viewbar for google.
Then again, IANAL.
Thats not true either. You can speak publicly about other brands so long as it is not or cannot be called libel. Using that brand name for profit, commercial use, or personal use is not your right, but talking about it in a public forum is. I can say "CNN has xxx viewers" in my ABC advertisement, as long as it is a correct fact, and i am not using it the name CNN to endorse or sell my product.
Nay you did not, but the original poster implied it, to whom my response was directed :).
Any target area in the modern economy will have obvious rip-offs and clones. You can get Casio watches a dime a dozen of street vendors in New York. My point was merely that the sheer surplus of people who will buy from places like the Wan Chai Computer Centre presents a large target consumer-base, just as there is in many other countries. Hong Kong has alot of piracy running rampant, but do not discount the potential market held in southeast asia, as it is not an area completely full of poor pirates and triads like some reports would suggest.
The Chinese are evil? That implies that the entire race of human beings who scrape food off the ground are somehow inherently "evil". As for the Chinese government vs. the American government, the similarities abound. One of the big hype words I hear alot coming from people describing China is "Communist." Although in practicality Communism (or Marxism) has nothing to do with popular opinion of Communism, the colloquial meaning of the word has come to be something like "Kills people for speaking out, is against 'freedom'". I hate to break the news, but the USA has its fair share of anti-sedition laws, take the Patriot Act for example. It is currently legal for the US government to accuse someone of being a terrorist and lock them away without trial. (Communist "witch-hunt" trials in the 1940's anyone?) Who's to stop the government from saying comic books are a "terrorist-like" medium and banning them? Anyone protesting could be called 'unpatriotic' and thrown away. To be honest, I am glad that China is developing into a new research/technology center. They have started to contest and challenge already implemented protocols/standards in America and Europe, and to that end I commend them. We shouldn't just write them off because they are "evil" because, folks, AMERICA also has its share of corruption. Modern-day capitalistic China is beginning to grow, and these new product lines and recent announcements are only the beginning of it.