The upload speeds that TasTel (the company that is currently doing this) depend on which "package" the user buys. Here's the relationship:
256kb/64kb
1Mb/256kb
4Mb/1Mb
So if the user chooses the 256kb down package, they get 64 kb up. There is also a 1Mb down/1Mb up package which is somewhat more expensive then their 1Mb/256Kb package.
This technique must be usable on most keyboards, because judging from this the FBI sometimes uses (or has used in the past) this technique. From the page:
Audio surveillance. This method is a variation of Attack #4. FBI
technicians install an audio bug near your computer. The sounds generated by the
keyboard can be analyzed. By comparing these sounds with the noises made during
generation of a known piece of text, the FBI can often deduce your passphrase -
or come so close that only a few characters need to be guessed.
Oh and by the way, that page was written in 1998, so these UC-Berkley students (and the/. editors) are about 7 years slow.
The "design for all browsers" paradigm isn't a good one. It promotes the use of non-compliant browsers. It's much better to design to the standards no matter what.
Fortunately, in today's world it is possible to use standards AND design for all (modern) browsers at the same time! I've done it with several sites. Of course, you wont be able to support browsers like Netscape 4, but come on folks, this is 2005. Anyone still using browsers like that is an idiot, and likely wont even notice that the CSS isnt displaying correctly.
They announced this in March and said that it would begin testing phase "within six months." For you math whizzes out there, that means they finally released a project on time!
I agree that posting every move Google makes is pretty lame, but I think in this case it is warranted. This is a pretty big move that could have big consequences.
Although its strange, because they still have some stuff on their website bashing offline advertising:
(quote from linked page) "Offline advertising is not of interest, Schoolcraft says. "It's much more expensive than online advertising, and it's not measurable."
It just means that they already had the signature.
No, it means that the AV program was using "proactive virus protection."
That simply means that the AV program monitors the behavior of programs and makes sure they don't violate security policy. If they do, the AV software assumes it is a virus.
The first page is dated in the year 2000! I wonder if this is really news after all! The second page is dated 2001. It states basically the same thing as the article the submitter linked to, however it says how long ago "recent" is--10,000,000 years!!
I think in the next 2 years we will be witnessing the death of desktop PC's and replacement with laptops in most circumstances as costs get closer and designs merge.
I, for one, will not welcome our laptop overlords until laptop manufacturors come up with a single set of standards. I want to be able to customize my laptop the same way I can customize my whitebox PC.
Why would anyone use an AdWare WebBrowser, when there are completely free alternatives, like Firefox, without the ads to piss you off?
Both you and this chap seem to be thinking along the same line.
However, I think you folks are wrong. Google *could* convince people to use their browser IF they bundled it with some other useful software/service. For example, if they came out with a free service that allowed people to voice chat from their computer to any regular phone and bundled it with the browser, tons of people would switch to Google Browser.
how do they make money from a VOIP service or even an IM application if they'll provide the service for free?
Making money from an IM application wouldnt be too difficult. They would do it the same way they do it with search or email. Just deliver ads based on whatever the person typed/read.
Of course if they are planning to offer a VOIP service, it would be more difficult. There aren't too many options:
Give it out free and dont get anything in return. Kind of like what they are doing with Google Earth. Its a cool product, and it makes people think they are great for giving it out for free.
Bundle VOIP with some other revenue generating service/program. Using VOIP as the loss leader.
Doesn't really seem to fit with their current strategy unless they tie it into gmail somehow.
Google's strategy is this: make as many people as possible click on their ads. Gmail was one extension of this idea. It let Google deliver ads not only when people were searching the Internet, but also when they read their emails. A Google IM service would do the same thing. Now Google would also be able to deliver ads when people were chatting.
In fact, if I were Google, I would be working on Google Browser. Then they could deliver ads whenever someone was browsing the Internet!
If the submitter had actually read the article....no, I guess that's too much to ask.
Quote FTA "The bar is made of relatively old and red stars, the survey shows. It is about 27,000 light-years long, or roughly 7,000 light-years longer than previously thought." (emphasis mine)
In other words, the news isn't that they just discovered the Milky War is a bared spiral galaxy, the news is that the Milky Way's bar is 7,000 light-years longer than scientists thought.
No, I dont think its in CVS yet. The ZDNet
article has a few more details than the one the submitter gave. It says that IBM "will donate", not that they have donated.
The ZDNet article also states that IBM is giving 50,000 lines of code. Pretty cool stuff!
Not quite true. Think of Microsoft's ISP: MSN. Microsoft used to put the MSN icon right there on the desktop along with IE. Their plan was to take over the ISP markey the way they were taking over the browser market. It didnt work.
this is a model that does appear to have some traction in a variety of fields in that if you press your case hard enough, and you convince enough of the right people, there is ground to be gained from simply sticking to your guns no matter what the reality happens to be
Important note: whenever a business/government tries this horrible tactic, they always fail. SCO's case is (has) colapsed, people all around the world view the US government as untrustworthy, etc. Sometimes it takes a while, but they always lose in the end.
News stories like this are just a nice reminder to everyone not to try tactics like this.
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The upload speeds that TasTel (the company that is currently doing this) depend on which "package" the user buys. Here's the relationship:
256kb/64kb
1Mb/256kb
4Mb/1Mb
So if the user chooses the 256kb down package, they get 64 kb up. There is also a 1Mb down/1Mb up package which is somewhat more expensive then their 1Mb/256Kb package.
All these details and more can be found at their website: http://www.tastel.com.au/bpl/index.html
What do you get when you cross a Tasmanian Devil and a /.er? A deviled egg-head!
Thanks, folks, I'll be back tomorrow too.
When you are the only BPL provider in the world, I guess you can charge whatever you want.
This technique must be usable on most keyboards, because judging from this the FBI sometimes uses (or has used in the past) this technique. From the page:
Oh and by the way, that page was written in 1998, so these UC-Berkley students (and the /. editors) are about 7 years slow.
Yep, this is great news. I'll admit that when this was first leaked on digg.com a few days ago, I had doubts. I wonder how that guy knew?
The "design for all browsers" paradigm isn't a good one. It promotes the use of non-compliant browsers. It's much better to design to the standards no matter what.
Fortunately, in today's world it is possible to use standards AND design for all (modern) browsers at the same time! I've done it with several sites. Of course, you wont be able to support browsers like Netscape 4, but come on folks, this is 2005. Anyone still using browsers like that is an idiot, and likely wont even notice that the CSS isnt displaying correctly.
Isn't this form of ads pretty much dead?
Netcraft confirms it, pay per click is NOT dead.
From the page: "Domain Pay-Per-Click Services Growing Rapidly"
They announced this in March and said that it would begin testing phase "within six months." For you math whizzes out there, that means they finally released a project on time!
I agree that posting every move Google makes is pretty lame, but I think in this case it is warranted. This is a pretty big move that could have big consequences.
Although its strange, because they still have some stuff on their website bashing offline advertising:
(quote from linked page) "Offline advertising is not of interest, Schoolcraft says. "It's much more expensive than online advertising, and it's not measurable."
This page dated in 2003 shows that Google has been planning this for quite awhile. I wonder what took them so long?
It just means that they already had the signature.
No, it means that the AV program was using "proactive virus protection."
That simply means that the AV program monitors the behavior of programs and makes sure they don't violate security policy. If they do, the AV software assumes it is a virus.
I dont know. I find it frustrating that the article provides just about no details. However, I did a quick Google search, and came up with this:
http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/june2000/
And:
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/ mars_ice_signs_010614.html
The first page is dated in the year 2000! I wonder if this is really news after all! The second page is dated 2001. It states basically the same thing as the article the submitter linked to, however it says how long ago "recent" is--10,000,000 years!!
I think in the next 2 years we will be witnessing the death of desktop PC's and replacement with laptops in most circumstances as costs get closer and designs merge.
I, for one, will not welcome our laptop overlords until laptop manufacturors come up with a single set of standards. I want to be able to customize my laptop the same way I can customize my whitebox PC.
Why would anyone use an AdWare WebBrowser, when there are completely free alternatives, like Firefox, without the ads to piss you off?
Both you and this chap seem to be thinking along the same line.
However, I think you folks are wrong. Google *could* convince people to use their browser IF they bundled it with some other useful software/service. For example, if they came out with a free service that allowed people to voice chat from their computer to any regular phone and bundled it with the browser, tons of people would switch to Google Browser.
Too late, luser!!!!1 I posted it first AND IM GETTING ALL TEH KARMA!!!!!1111!! MUHAHAHAHA
how do they make money from a VOIP service or even an IM application if they'll provide the service for free?
Making money from an IM application wouldnt be too difficult. They would do it the same way they do it with search or email. Just deliver ads based on whatever the person typed/read.
Of course if they are planning to offer a VOIP service, it would be more difficult. There aren't too many options:
Doesn't really seem to fit with their current strategy unless they tie it into gmail somehow.
Google's strategy is this: make as many people as possible click on their ads. Gmail was one extension of this idea. It let Google deliver ads not only when people were searching the Internet, but also when they read their emails. A Google IM service would do the same thing. Now Google would also be able to deliver ads when people were chatting.
In fact, if I were Google, I would be working on Google Browser. Then they could deliver ads whenever someone was browsing the Internet!
They already have an IM service.
If the submitter had actually read the article....no, I guess that's too much to ask.
Quote FTA "The bar is made of relatively old and red stars, the survey shows. It is about 27,000 light-years long, or roughly 7,000 light-years longer than previously thought." (emphasis mine)
In other words, the news isn't that they just discovered the Milky War is a bared spiral galaxy, the news is that the Milky Way's bar is 7,000 light-years longer than scientists thought.
No, I dont think its in CVS yet. The ZDNet article has a few more details than the one the submitter gave. It says that IBM "will donate", not that they have donated.
The ZDNet article also states that IBM is giving 50,000 lines of code. Pretty cool stuff!
Leave it to slashdot moderators to mod up the blatently obvious.
Not quite true. Think of Microsoft's ISP: MSN. Microsoft used to put the MSN icon right there on the desktop along with IE. Their plan was to take over the ISP markey the way they were taking over the browser market. It didnt work.
From the page's source:
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Are the artists that are doing this in violation of their contract with Sony?
Yes they are. That's the point. Its really the only thing they can do to get Sony's attention.
this is a model that does appear to have some traction in a variety of fields in that if you press your case hard enough, and you convince enough of the right people, there is ground to be gained from simply sticking to your guns no matter what the reality happens to be
Important note: whenever a business/government tries this horrible tactic, they always fail. SCO's case is (has) colapsed, people all around the world view the US government as untrustworthy, etc. Sometimes it takes a while, but they always lose in the end.
News stories like this are just a nice reminder to everyone not to try tactics like this.