> First of all, OS X is a UNIX based operating system
Mac OS X is based on darwin, which is based on NeXT, which is based on the Mach kernel and contains code from the BSD implementation of a 'Unix-like' operating system.
> (with a perfectly good user interface layer like no other UNIX has) t
Only systems which are fully compliant with and of course certified to the Single UNIX Specification qualify as "UNIX" (others are called "UNIX system-like" or Unix-like). MacOSX, is UNIX-like.
> that is rock solid in comparison to any other desktop OS, that supports all modern standards that 99% of the computing world expects on a computer.
Where is Gopher support (I have it on windows, linux)? Why doesn't the FTP client that comes with the system support uploading? Why is the IMAP implementation (in mail.app) worse than Outlook's and thunderbird's (See sieving script issues)? Why isn't there ANSI support in the termianl application? Why isn't there a usable java implementation for the platform (MacOSX's java framework is completely broken for standard java UI elements)?
> And does nearly all of its tasks better than a comparable computer running the latest Windows OS.
> Not to mention that you can run 99% of your UNIX programs on it.
Frigging hell, you've never had to deal with signals under MacOSX, or do all those terrible UI compatability hacks to get a GTK application working. It's a lot easier under Windows with CYGWIN.
> OS X. Because friends don't let friends run GNOME.
I don't like Gnome much either, tried KDE 3.5.2 (my prefered enviroment)? I find the entire desktop enviroment provided by KDE is quite adquate for most people's needs. Unfortunately MacOSX and KDE both fail at having a speedy browser (the default browser that comes with the system). This is where Windows wins.
> Yes, but only in the paid-for boxed / Mandriva Club edition. The Free (downloadable) edition does not have it.
1) The Mandriva Linux for club members is also downloadable for free (but only for club members) 2) The Mandriva Linux availible to non-club members is practically the same, except for the lack of flash and java (plus a few other minor things like the commercial ati/nvidia drivers -- Can just add the PLF repositories to get around that) out of the box however, as you stated.
>... were based on Mangas that are often serializations as well. Plots of these things are often not concieved more than one or two episodes in advance. So if the plot gets funky now and then, that should be no particular surprise....
I thought the RahXephon series was based on the RahXephon movie?
> Well, it's bad that you're too mature to see the appeal of this series to teenager. One of the really strong points of Anime is how they very precisely grasp what themes, stories and looks teenagers are interested in. Evangelion is targeted at that age and does very well in that respect. You just have to look at the following it got to see that it was very successful in delivering what a lot of people wanted to see.
I wouldn't let kids watch it (under 16). However, if it was the Americanized version, yes. Since they cut out all the gore, certain wording and quite a few scenes that were deemed unacceptable to show to minors.
That has been my expirence with many Mac users too. However I do know a few technically oriented people who use Macs, but it doesn't seem to be their main platform.
> Don't forget our goals with September 11th was to break America down and give politicians reasons to take the freedoms away from the public. We know that this will destroy the free spirit upon which their economy is built and allow our radical message to flourish.
You forgot that the American government (and some others) knew in advanced about the September 11th attacks.
> My bet is that "taking on MySpace" means a huge marketing campaign to 'warn' parents of the supposed 'dangers' of MySpace and how their expensive & restrictive system will be so much safer. Thereby getting the parents to force teenagers and such to switch.
They'll probably emphasize on how murderers, canibals and pedophiles were found on myspace too, in a subtle way.
> What a great answer. If you disagree with the parent's conclusions, just imply that because he has not put a couple weeks of work into it while taking on a major place in a large open source project, his comments are not valid.
I don't disagree, but I've noticed good ideas(tm) don't go unnoticed by developers. However people who write something as vague like "make OpenOffice.org Writer like Microsoft Word" really doesn't say much to me and others.
> Blender completely ignores a large amount of industry standards in their layout and tools.
Please, I beg of you, submit these 'industry standards' with design specifications, as suggestions to the Blender developers and the reasoning why it is better than the current design they use.
> Why not develop open source version of it instead of asking Sun to open source it?
There are a few opensource java intepreters out there.
> I think Sun needs to be much quicker than now to address these issue.
I think Apple needs to address their crappy Java framework. I have so many issues with making UI elements under Sun Java, which work properly under MacOSX's Java framework implementation.
> Most people don't wait for a technology for a year or two to adopt it. They use alternative tech. This is usually a one way street and Sun will loose those customers.
This is why I prefer Mono, it works the same on Windows, Linux, MacOSX etc. Java doesn't, because there are entirely different implementations for different operating systems (Yes, I know Sun JAVA is availible for Linux).
> Insert video card disc; follow wizard, wait. > Reboot.
(Can do this graphically, but I'll give the command since it's easier to explain): urpmi xorg-ati or urpmi xorg-nvidia
You can set any other options you need in drakx11 (can be accessed graphically and textual)
> (repeat disc/wizard/wait routine for any other seperate components you might have)
Usually most stuff is supported out the box, except for some bluetooth and wi-fi cards. Mandriva offers mad wifi out of the box (just works [tm]) for supported cards/chipsets or ndiswrapper (uses windows drivers).
Easy to setup graphically for ndiswrapper, just select the driver inf, and done.
> At no point will windows instruct you to drop to run level XYZ and recompile the kernel to get the video working properly. At no point are you asked which chipset your wifi card uses.
Neither did Mandriva.
> The most complex and retarded (from a user's point of view) that windows gets on install is "hit F8 ((FAST!!!)) to insert a floppy with the RAID drivers on it"
I have to say the most retarded thing about Mandriva is that the PLF (lets you install things like win32-codecs for xine and mplayer, windows fonts etc. from packages easilly) and SoS (tends to provide the latest desktop enviroments/desktop managers) repositories aren't in by default.
> But compare the blender UI with 3d studio, or maya. The Blender UI isn't complex because the underlying concepts are complex, it's complex because the people writing it just bunged together a million different features on different pages of UI without thinking about organising it at all.
I'd really appriciate it if you submitted your design concepts to Blender's dev team. Including example layouts etc.
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> First of all, OS X is a UNIX based operating system
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Mac OS X is based on darwin, which is based on NeXT, which is based on the Mach kernel and contains code from the BSD implementation of a 'Unix-like' operating system.
> (with a perfectly good user interface layer like no other UNIX has) t
Only systems which are fully compliant with and of course certified to the Single UNIX Specification qualify as "UNIX" (others are called "UNIX system-like" or Unix-like). MacOSX, is UNIX-like.
> that is rock solid in comparison to any other desktop OS, that supports all modern standards that 99% of the computing world expects on a computer.
Where is Gopher support (I have it on windows, linux)?
Why doesn't the FTP client that comes with the system support uploading?
Why is the IMAP implementation (in mail.app) worse than Outlook's and thunderbird's (See sieving script issues)?
Why isn't there ANSI support in the termianl application?
Why isn't there a usable java implementation for the platform (MacOSX's java framework is completely broken for standard java UI elements)?
> And does nearly all of its tasks better than a comparable computer running the latest Windows OS.
I guess these are lies:
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/archives/apr06/040506.
http://reviews.cnet.com/Apple_Boot_Camp_beta/4505
http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=2006040
> Not to mention that you can run 99% of your UNIX programs on it.
Frigging hell, you've never had to deal with signals under MacOSX, or do all those terrible UI compatability hacks to get a GTK application working. It's a lot easier under Windows with CYGWIN.
> OS X. Because friends don't let friends run GNOME.
I don't like Gnome much either, tried KDE 3.5.2 (my prefered enviroment)? I find the entire desktop enviroment provided by KDE is quite adquate for most people's needs. Unfortunately MacOSX and KDE both fail at having a speedy browser (the default browser that comes with the system). This is where Windows wins.
> Yes, but only in the paid-for boxed / Mandriva Club edition. The Free (downloadable) edition does not have it.
1) The Mandriva Linux for club members is also downloadable for free (but only for club members)
2) The Mandriva Linux availible to non-club members is practically the same, except for the lack of flash and java (plus a few other minor things like the commercial ati/nvidia drivers -- Can just add the PLF repositories to get around that) out of the box however, as you stated.
> ... were based on Mangas that are often serializations as well. Plots of these things are often not concieved more than one or two episodes in advance. So if the plot gets funky now and then, that should be no particular surprise. ...
I thought the RahXephon series was based on the RahXephon movie?
> Well, it's bad that you're too mature to see the appeal of this series to teenager. One of the really strong points of Anime is how they very precisely grasp what themes, stories and looks teenagers are interested in. Evangelion is targeted at that age and does very well in that respect. You just have to look at the following it got to see that it was very successful in delivering what a lot of people wanted to see.
I wouldn't let kids watch it (under 16). However, if it was the Americanized version, yes. Since they cut out all the gore, certain wording and quite a few scenes that were deemed unacceptable to show to minors.
Unfortunately the ending just makes you go "WTF", like with NGE.
That has been my expirence with many Mac users too. However I do know a few technically oriented people who use Macs, but it doesn't seem to be their main platform.
> Now I don't believe the above scenarion would be any more helpful in catching evildoers...
Of course it will, it's not like the US Government knew in advanced about the 9/11 attac... Oh wait, nevermind.
> How is this any worse than the Feds tapping your voice-over-copper line?
I don't have the spare bandwith for them.
> The fact that this law exists is important.
You do know that the US government knew about the September 11th attacks in advanced, right?
How is this going to help anything for the people?
> Who won't lose any sleep over whatever happens to that annoying little twit routing his calls through Toronto.
America.
> Don't forget our goals with September 11th was to break America down and give politicians reasons to take the freedoms away from the public. We know that this will destroy the free spirit upon which their economy is built and allow our radical message to flourish.
You forgot that the American government (and some others) knew in advanced about the September 11th attacks.
Using a VPN would suffice.
> My bet is that "taking on MySpace" means a huge marketing campaign to 'warn' parents of the supposed 'dangers' of MySpace and how their expensive & restrictive system will be so much safer. Thereby getting the parents to force teenagers and such to switch.
They'll probably emphasize on how murderers, canibals and pedophiles were found on myspace too, in a subtle way.
Don't worry, there will be .NET instead.
Mandriva Linux includes Sun's JRE5 too.
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> I don't have the Sun JDK on my Fedora system by default because of the Sun license.
I have it on my copy of Mandriva.
> the problem, exactly, is that SUN only implements its JDK on the platforms it judges as "interesting enough".
The funny thing is, Sun doesn't see MacOSX as interesting.
> What a great answer. If you disagree with the parent's conclusions, just imply that because he has not put a couple weeks of work into it while taking on a major place in a large open source project, his comments are not valid.
I don't disagree, but I've noticed good ideas(tm) don't go unnoticed by developers. However people who write something as vague like "make OpenOffice.org Writer like Microsoft Word" really doesn't say much to me and others.
> Blender completely ignores a large amount of industry standards in their layout and tools.
Please, I beg of you, submit these 'industry standards' with design specifications, as suggestions to the Blender developers and the reasoning why it is better than the current design they use.
I know some universities still teach Pascal and Visual Basic 6 only.
I use the JDK 1.4.2 (Got 1.5 JRE though), the main reason is because I cannot make Java 1.1 compatible binaries with 1.5's JAVAC.
Why would I do such a thing? I need my applications to work under MSJAVA, Kaffe if need be.
> Why not develop open source version of it instead of asking Sun to open source it?
There are a few opensource java intepreters out there.
> I think Sun needs to be much quicker than now to address these issue.
I think Apple needs to address their crappy Java framework. I have so many issues with making UI elements under Sun Java, which work properly under MacOSX's Java framework implementation.
> Most people don't wait for a technology for a year or two to adopt it. They use alternative tech. This is usually a one way street and Sun will loose those customers.
This is why I prefer Mono, it works the same on Windows, Linux, MacOSX etc. Java doesn't, because there are entirely different implementations for different operating systems (Yes, I know Sun JAVA is availible for Linux).
> Really, I'm not trying to troll *snip*
Unfortunately, your post does come out that way for me.
> Nonsense, installing windows on a bare machine consists of:
> Boot
> Insert Windows disc; follow wizard, wait.
> Reboot
*Does that with Mandriva Linux*
> Insert motherboard disc; follow wizard, wait.
> Reboot
*No need, motherboard already supported*
> Insert video card disc; follow wizard, wait.
> Reboot.
(Can do this graphically, but I'll give the command since it's easier to explain):
urpmi xorg-ati
or
urpmi xorg-nvidia
You can set any other options you need in drakx11 (can be accessed graphically and textual)
> (repeat disc/wizard/wait routine for any other seperate components you might have)
Usually most stuff is supported out the box, except for some bluetooth and wi-fi cards. Mandriva offers mad wifi out of the box (just works [tm]) for supported cards/chipsets or ndiswrapper (uses windows drivers).
Easy to setup graphically for ndiswrapper, just select the driver inf, and done.
> At no point will windows instruct you to drop to run level XYZ and recompile the kernel to get the video working properly. At no point are you asked which chipset your wifi card uses.
Neither did Mandriva.
> The most complex and retarded (from a user's point of view) that windows gets on install is "hit F8 ((FAST!!!)) to insert a floppy with the RAID drivers on it"
I have to say the most retarded thing about Mandriva is that the PLF (lets you install things like win32-codecs for xine and mplayer, windows fonts etc. from packages easilly) and SoS (tends to provide the latest desktop enviroments/desktop managers) repositories aren't in by default.
> But compare the blender UI with 3d studio, or maya. The Blender UI isn't complex because the underlying concepts are complex, it's complex because the people writing it just bunged together a million different features on different pages of UI without thinking about organising it at all.
I'd really appriciate it if you submitted your design concepts to Blender's dev team. Including example layouts etc.